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Topic: Yes Classic Survivor: Fragile R2
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Yes Classic Survivor: Fragile R2
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 12:26
VOTE YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. The song with the most votes will be eliminated. The last 2 songs remaining will move on to the semi-finals.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. ???
9. Cans And Brahms

Poll closes around 1pm EST Saturday March 31

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Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 12:28
5%, It just seems really disjointed and out of place in the album, moreso than Brahms even

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 12:32
I think Five Percent is placed in an interesting spot on the album, as it comes in jarring the listener after the quiet outro of South Side of The Sky. Ive seen people trip to this album, and later on, exclaim how that was one of the best parts of the album.

My vote will go to We Have Heaven. Five Percent will probably be next.


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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 12:37
Five Per Cent, merely because it's so brief.

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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 12:39
I love Cans, iunno why others don't.
 
But yeah, 5% is kinda annoying and nothing special.
 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:03
I love 5% so We Have Heaven.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:14
Mood For A Day, once again.

Good track (there are no bad tracks on Fragile) but the least intense of all the Fragile tracks, in my humble taste.


Posted By: Capt Fongsby
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:15
Five Percent For Nothing.

Not because I don't like it, but it is after all the one I'd miss the least (not counting the deservedly booted C&B, of course).

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:32
5% because butts

we have heaven is actually pretty good


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:38
we have heaven

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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:53
5%


Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 13:54
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

5% because butts

we have heaven is actually pretty good
Agreed.


Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 17:43
Tell the Moon Dog, Tell The Marchare..
WE HAVE HEAVEN
He Is Here...
Don't Look Around...
 


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 18:08
We Have Heaven

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 18:15
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

5% because butts

we have heaven is actually pretty good
Agreed.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 18:20
5%. You guys are being really brutal on 'We Have Heaven'.

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 19:25
5% 4 0 x 2

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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 29 2012 at 20:46
"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 00:09
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.

Can you expand on why you like 5%? I mean, I can see Bill trying hard on a tiny syncopated pattern. And the track hangs between 'South Side of the Sky' and 'Long Distance Runaround' for the dynamics and mood contrast purposes. But none of those work for me. What's your beef?


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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 00:27
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.
It's kind of annoying and out of place.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 00:36
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.
It's kind of annoying and out of place.

I remember someone said that before. I perceive it as redundant, too. But let's see what Zombywoof says he likes about it ... if he will.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 00:56
It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 01:30
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.

Dumb? 


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 01:53
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

It's all these dumb short tracks that keep Fragile from being a masterpiece. It's a shame really.

Dumb? 

Looks like we will just have to accept the idea that our arguments will never end and we can't persuade one another.


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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 06:17
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:


Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

"We Have Heaven", again. What's everyone's problem with "5% For Nothing"? Aside from "The Fish", its my favorite solo piece on the album.

Can you expand on why you like 5%? I mean, I can see Bill trying hard on a tiny syncopated pattern. And the track hangs between 'South Side of the Sky' and 'Long Distance Runaround' for the dynamics and mood contrast purposes. But none of those work for me. What's your beef?


I have a taste for bizarre, 'uneven', and disjointed sounding music. I don't know if its in a weird time signature or not, but it certainly sounds like it is. I like the way it might sound like a total mess to some (many on PA, in fact!) and like a coherent piece to others. I guess its my inner MOI and Univers Zero fan!   

Also, the bass groove rocks on that one. I find it impressive that the band is able to pull off stuff like "South Side of the Sky", such an epic piece, then turn around and hold something weird like 5% together as an ensemble. Its such an amazing feat, in my opinion, and proof of how eclectic they once were.

I relistened to "Fragile" last night (I have the MFSL version from a few years back ... what a thing of beauty!) and was a lot more impressed with it than I'd previously been. I know I have some kind of reputation among my friends as NOT being a Yes fan and in particular, a Jon Anderson fan, but something about the album as a whole 'clicked' for me for the first time. Here's what I think: there isn't a weak track on the entire thing! I even enjoyed "Cans and Brahms" and "We Have Heaven". The band had a real 'classical' tinge to their compositions that I hadn't picked up on before and I really enjoyed it. I'll have to start digging out Yes albums again, perhaps now is the right time!

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 06:24
5% for Nothing.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 06:45
It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.

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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 07:11
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.


Right on!

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 07:28
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

It would be a shame for 5% to go. It really is an amazing short piece.


Right on!


Absolutely Clap


Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 11:55
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.


Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:04
Heart of the Sunrise was surely original back in the day, but it has not worn well.  It/s unfair to put a throwaway like five percent for nothing up against it, either.

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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:13
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.


Thumbs UpIf this were facebook, I would have 'liked' this post. Clap


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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:14
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
wat


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.

For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.

Dennis, everyone has his or her own criteria for critical evaluation of various tracks. According to my criteria, 5% doesn't work for me, but it works for Zombywoof with his own criteria. Our standards are just incompatible together, I suppose. My standards also tell me that there are other tracks that can actually show what Bruford was about unless he was really proud of 5%. 

Also, we can impose our opinion on others as much as we want to, but I doubt that it is ever going to work. The best we can do is listen to music on our own terms instead of arguing with each other in an unintelligent fashion, no offense to everyone here (I hope the phrase "no offense" will work here).


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
wat

Mosh 2.0

I don't think Fragile is a masterpiece. Shocked


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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:17
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by DisgruntledPorcupine DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Rules are simple. Vote for your LEAST favorite track from this album. 
 
Hey Dude, Smile
 
Please take this post in a general spirit of good will that it was written in.
 
You left out a very important option, the box for:
 
There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.
 
Uhm, kay???
 
For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.
 
Geesh.  Kids,  Damn Kids....
 
In the Flying Colors thread I was "invited" to go listen to some other music.
 
Why don't you lot go listen to that new Flying Colors CD or a Pat Benatar CD and get in front of a full length mirror and go play air guitar.Wink
 
Thank you for your time.
wat

Mosh 2.0

I don't think Fragile is a masterpiece. Shocked
No kidding. Ermm
 
I personally do. It took me a while to get into, now I love it to death.


Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:23
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.

For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.

Dennis, everyone has his or her own criteria for critical evaluation of various tracks. According to my criteria, 5% doesn't work for me, but it works for Zombywoof with his own criteria. Our standards are just incompatible together, I suppose. My standards also tell me that there are other tracks that can actually show what Bruford was about unless he was really proud of 5%. 




Hey, it's only music, after all!


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:25
5%, though it ain't bad I reckon.  

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 12:27
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

 
Hey, it's only music, after all!

And the best thing we can do is enjoy it, ... if we can Wink . Specifically for that group. The implication being that you would play in that way in King Crimson and in King Crimson al... . Oops, sorry LOL . Hell, I might like this track just before I die of cancer at age 68.


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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 14:56
Originally posted by Zombywoof Zombywoof wrote:

Thumbs UpIf this were facebook, I would have 'liked' this post. Clap
 
Thanks for seeing the humor in my post.  Big smile


Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 15:14
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

There is no bad song and this record is a progressive music masterpiece.  So we apologize for smoking crack
with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile.

For the masses who voted for Bruford's 5%...  That song is vintage Bill Bruford.  Lots of syncopated off time stuff with
a little bit of harmony thrown in.  Bruford isn't may favorite drummer, but that song does personify what he is about as an artist.  As I recall all the solo pieces on Fragile represent each musician pretty darn well.

Dennis, everyone has his or her own criteria for critical evaluation of various tracks. According to my criteria, 5% doesn't work for me, but it works for Zombywoof with his own criteria. Our standards are just incompatible together, I suppose. My standards also tell me that there are other tracks that can actually show what Bruford was about unless he was really proud of 5%. 

Also, we can impose our opinion on others as much as we want to, but I doubt that it is ever going to work. The best we can do is listen to music on our own terms instead of arguing with each other in an unintelligent fashion, no offense to everyone here (I hope the phrase "no offense" will work here).
 
C'mon man!
 
 "...smoking crack with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile"
 
was one of my best lines!  You gotta give me some credit for that, no?
 
Seriously Dayvenkirq,
 
I am just having fun here.  darkshade is a pal of mine from The Flower Kings thread.  TFK thread seems like the nicest
& friendliest thread around, there is something about FK fans....   Feel free to join us over there.
 
But, yeah, YES- Fragile is a masterpiece(to me, anyway...) and without that we would not even have a progressive genre or prog metal to have this forum.  So sometimes I will get all pissy over things YES related.Tongue  LOL    Smile
 
Roundabout - Heart Of The Sunrise - Long Distance Runaround - put prog on the map, period.  No opinion here dude.
Plus the record has solo pieces for each artist, unheard of at the time, but yep, a prog first.
 
Not that I am old, I am not, but a lot of younger fans take for granted the genre and love their own bands yet they have no clue how the genre was created so they can enjoy "their" current favorite band!  YES - Fragile is one of those foundational recordings and would be a poor choice to pick apart like this.  Kinda like which is the worst track on PF Dark Side Of The Moon, kinda like which part in a Mozart symphony sucks, Answer is clearly None Of The Above.
 
Plus I seem to have 2 out of 4 posters (since my post) on my side, so I think we are doing important work here.LOL  The ones opposed I think are part of the 17 and under crowd, so they will probably come around in about 20 years, so its all good.  It will all work out in the end.Wink
 
 
 


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 18:27
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

C'mon man! 
 "...smoking crack with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile"
was one of my best lines!  You gotta give me some credit for that, no?
I give you credit for that, although I fail to see the meaning of that line.
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Roundabout - Heart Of The Sunrise - Long Distance Runaround - put prog on the map, period.  No opinion here dude.
Oh, you are guilty as charged for saying that Big smile . Why are people beating on each other's heads over why 5% should go or why 'We Have Heaven' should go? Maybe what you meant was that the true value of a record lies in its potential, not the absence of thereof?


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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:04
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

C'mon man! 
 "...smoking crack with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile"
was one of my best lines!  You gotta give me some credit for that, no?
I give you credit for that, although I fail to see the meaning of that line.
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Roundabout - Heart Of The Sunrise - Long Distance Runaround - put prog on the map, period.  No opinion here dude.
Oh, you are guilty as charged for saying that Big smile . Why are people beating on each other's heads over why 5% should go or why 'We Have Heaven' should go? Maybe what you meant was that the true value of a record lies in its potential, not the absence of thereof?


The point is one must be on crack to think there is a bad track on Fragile  Smile

You said:  " what you meant was that the true value of a record lies in its potential, not the absence of thereof?"

I think you are too smart for me.  I can hardly understand that, but it sounds deep. Big smile

I do think some records are foundational(just a nice way to say classic) and are much bigger and more important than the average record which may have great and some not so great tracks.  So I stand up for Fragile not as a fan, but for some semblance of order to allow discourse to continue without evolving into simple chaos.

Let me try it this way:

For example, I truly love RUSH, if there were polls here on 2 RUSH CDs in particular...

RUSH - Caress of Steel.  Certainly some tracks are great some not so.  We could easily have a poll on which tracks are weakest.

RUSH - Hemispheres.  No poll possible. That is a masterpiece, no low points to single out.

So YES - Fragile. Masterpiece, no low points to argue about

YES - Tormato.  Some great, some not.  That would be fine to discuss everybody's opinion on what song is worse, with nobody's opinion being better.

Same as you can't say: Which part of the ceiling painting of the Sistene Chapel sucks?  Answer: No part.

Ah, so who decides what is a masterpiece?  That is the problem....

I humbly take the liberty of saying that records like YES - Fragile, CTTE or ELP - BSS are masterpieces
this is after these records have survived decades of critical listening & analysis.  I am no expert for sure, I just pick
these albums among many but I do think they fit in that category.

If somebody thinks I am an idiot for saying that, than on this public forum, I expect I will hear that sooner or later. LOL




Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:09
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

C'mon man! 
 "...smoking crack with those street hookers in that cheap hotel and thinking there was a bad track on YES - Fragile"
was one of my best lines!  You gotta give me some credit for that, no?
I give you credit for that, although I fail to see the meaning of that line.
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Roundabout - Heart Of The Sunrise - Long Distance Runaround - put prog on the map, period.  No opinion here dude.
Oh, you are guilty as charged for saying that Big smile . Why are people beating on each other's heads over why 5% should go or why 'We Have Heaven' should go? Maybe what you meant was that the true value of a record lies in its potential, not the absence of thereof?


The point is one must be on crack to think there is a bad track on Fragile  Smile

You said:  " what you meant was that the true value of a record lies in its potential, not the absence of thereof?"

I think you are too smart for me.  I can hardly understand that, but it sounds deep. Big smile

I do think some records are foundational(just a nice way to say classic) and are much bigger and more important than the average record which may have great and some not so great tracks.  So I stand up for Fragile not as a fan, but for some semblance of order to allow discourse to continue without evolving into simple chaos.

Let me try it this way:

For example, I truly love RUSH, if there were polls here on 2 RUSH CDs in particular...

RUSH - Caress of Steel.  Certainly some tracks are great some not so.  We could easily have a poll on which tracks are weakest.

RUSH - Hemispheres.  No poll possible. That is a masterpiece, no low points to single out.

So YES - Fragile. Masterpiece, no low points to argue about

YES - Tormato.  Some great, some not.  That would be fine to discuss everybody's opinion on what song is worse, with nobody's opinion being better.

Same as you can't say: Which part of the ceiling painting of the Sistene Chapel sucks?  Answer: No part.

Ah, so who decides what is a masterpiece?  That is the problem....

I humbly take the liberty of saying that records like YES - Fragile, CTTE or ELP - BSS are masterpieces
this is after these records have survived decades of critical listening & analysis.  I am no expert for sure, I just pick
these albums among many but I do think they fit in that category.

If somebody thinks I am an idiot for saying that, than on this public forum, I expect I will hear that sooner or later. LOL


Well why not have the masterpieces as polls? That seems like the whole fun in having it, is having a bunch of different opinions of what song you like the least on it on an album you love and keeping it going. Otherwise you wind up with polls like Deloused that last a day because everyone can say "yeah, that song sucks" unanimously.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:12
Looks like there is no way to get you out of thinking objectively, Dennis Big smile . You just can't accept other people's opinion Smile .

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Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:18
Originally posted by iamathousandapples iamathousandapples wrote:

Well why not have the masterpieces as polls? That seems like the whole fun in having it, is having a bunch of different opinions of what song you like the least on it on an album you love and keeping it going. Otherwise you wind up with polls like Deloused that last a day because everyone can say "yeah, that song sucks" unanimously.


Dear Spaceghost with funny red turbin,

That is an outstanding idea!   I think you have solved this mess. Big smile  Tongue  Smile

Which albums for a given band are to be considered a masterpiece?


Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:19
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Looks like there is no way to get you out of thinking objectively, Dennis Big smile . You just can't accept other people's opinion Smile .


I think somebody just called me an idiot.Confused

LOL


Seriously, I think we just solved this mess.  Check the above post.  Wink






Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:22
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by iamathousandapples iamathousandapples wrote:

Well why not have the masterpieces as polls? That seems like the whole fun in having it, is having a bunch of different opinions of what song you like the least on it on an album you love and keeping it going. Otherwise you wind up with polls like Deloused that last a day because everyone can say "yeah, that song sucks" unanimously.


Dear Spaceghost with funny red turbin,

That is an outstanding idea!   I think you have solved this mess. Big smile  Tongue  Smile

Which albums for a given band are to be considered a masterpiece?

there's always everything on the top 100. Really though I think it comes down to what most people on the forum think, because while I think an album like DEP's Option Paralysis could contend with that definition, I know a lot of other people would disagree with that. And it's not really something we can classify due to it's subjectivity.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 20:42
5%. I actually like "We have Heaven".


Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: March 30 2012 at 21:22
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by iamathousandapples iamathousandapples wrote:

Well why not have the masterpieces as polls? That seems like the whole fun in having it, is having a bunch of different opinions of what song you like the least on it on an album you love and keeping it going. Otherwise you wind up with polls like Deloused that last a day because everyone can say "yeah, that song sucks" unanimously.


Dear Spaceghost with funny red turbin,

That is an outstanding idea!   I think you have solved this mess. Big smile  Tongue  Smile

Which albums for a given band are to be considered a masterpiece?
When it comes to the term "masterpiece", there is 0 objectivity involved. The only objective things are what instruments are used and info about the members of the band, length of songs, time signatures, stuff like that. Other than that, music is 0% objective.


Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 31 2012 at 10:40
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

5%. I actually like "We have Heaven".
Heart of the Sunrise is the still the track I consistantly skip, but I agree that We Have Heaven is quite creative in it's own way.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 01 2012 at 20:19
As a matter of fact, Heart of the Sunrise is my least favourite of the non-solo tracks, despite the fact that for many people it is the quintesential Yes track. I have grown to like it more, but there is still something that puts me off with that song. I like better the live version with ABWH... somehow vocals and drums are more emotional on that version.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 02 2012 at 11:58
***POLL CLOSED***

Five Percent For Nothing is eliminated.


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