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Ringo Starr vs Nick Mason

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Topic: Ringo Starr vs Nick Mason
Posted By: Dellinger
Subject: Ringo Starr vs Nick Mason
Date Posted: May 19 2012 at 23:47
Perhaps considered the weakest link on both bands, which drummer do you like better, Nick Mason or Ringo Starr?



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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 00:58
Not that Mason is so great, but Ringo????


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 01:45
If you hit these two eggs against each other, they both will break ... or both will be well.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 03:11
Nick if you take the early period. Ringo was never a bad drummer (Tomorrow Never Knows and Day In The Life show he was actually quite good at times)


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 03:52
I'll give it to Mason for the early Floyd work, but this is easily the closest of the all these comparisons.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 04:11
I think the abilities of both of them are woefully misrepresented - the measure of a good drummer is time keeping, not flamboyancy. Ringo may not have been the best drummer in the Beatles, (and that was a typical Lennon joke that people take far too seriously), but he played on all but 3 (or 4) of their songs and I've yet to hear a Beatles song where I thought "Oh, that needs a better drummer...". Nick played on all Floyd songs until The Wall (Mother) and The Final Cut (Two Suns in the Sunset) ... he didn't drum much on AMLoR because he felt he was too out of practice (that's a confidence issue, not an ability issue), again I've yet to hear a Floyd song where I thought "Oh, that needs a better drummer...". However I have heard many Prog songs that I though could have been improved if the drummer had just reigned it in a little.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 04:53
I like both. Mason was brilliant in his own way and I challenge anyone to sound like he did on those early Floyd albums. It's about feel - not counting out time signatures. Ringo did some great drumming on Revolver methinks even going for the toms at some points.
Voted for Mason because I just watched the Pompeii vid.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 05:06
Both underrated, IMO, they weren't sooooo bad. See how Portnoy plays Ringo on Transatlantic's Live in Europe, and Nick has played at least 1 song in 7/4 isn't it?

I think Nick did some good jazzy drumming on his "Carla Bley's" solo Fictitious Sports. My vote goes to him.


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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 06:35
Mason.

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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 07:33
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Perhaps considered the weakest link on both bands, which drummer do you like better, Nick Mason or Ringo Starr?
I personally believe both are very under-rated, and their dinstincitve sounds were instrumental to the success of their respective bands.


Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 10:45
Both are adequate players, I'd say Mason though because he was a little bit more dynamic.

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Posted By: Misomex777
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 11:05
How does anyone figure that Nick Mason is a weak drummer?Confused


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 11:44
Originally posted by Misomex777 Misomex777 wrote:

How does anyone figure that Nick Mason is a weak drummer?Confused
He's never won The World's Strongest Man competition?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 11:44
I voted for Ringo. I appreciate his drumming more and more over time. Sadly maligned drummer. How come Charlie Watts never gets any stick? (pun not intended)

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 20 2012 at 13:26
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

... The World's Strongest Man ...

Best Scott Walker song ever ... probably.

I like Mason, but I find Ringo to be more versatile in his chops ... in a subtle way.

edit: Yes, they both can count time, I think.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 06:33
I still think they both are boring as hell.
 
Ringo though for me.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 06:35
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still think they both are boring as hell.

Boring as hell? Lying in flames with demons whipping your back, how can you feel *bored* ?


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 07:02
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still think they both are boring as hell.

Boring as hell? Lying in flames with demons whipping your back, how can you feel *bored* ?
 
Confused
 


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 07:04
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I still think they both are boring as hell.

Boring as hell? Lying in flames with demons whipping your back, how can you feel *bored* ?
 
Confused
 
Will there be cake?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 07:05
^Where do I know that from.......

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 07:11
Nick Mason, just a bit...

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Posted By: spknoevl
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 07:53
Ringo covered alot more different styles and grooves than Nick ever did.  George Martin has often talked about how solid Ringo was in the studio.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 10:06
I don't really have a preferance, so I'll not vote.

I agree with Dean, I've not heard any Floyd or Beatles where I thought a better drummer was required. The songs were not ruined by the drumming. That may be the test. Additionally the music of Pink Floyd and The Beatles didn't require a Carl Palmer or Bill Bruford. By and large they just needed solid time keeping, and some subtlety. Both delivered the goods.

It's not so much that Ringo & Mason were bad drummers, it's just that the prog music movement is stuffed to the gills with virtuoso musicians, so comparisons are pretty unfair.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 10:17
If it matters, I too totally agree with Dean.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 10:58
Floyd, no, because they didn't really have a whole lot going on rhythmically anyway.  But Beatles songs would sound a little better if played by a better drummer with updated techniques.  Ringo was good but had his limitations.  Their songwriting is so good that the absence of a little flair where there is scope for it doesn't really hurt but, for instance, somewhat more stylish work at the drums would not hurt on a song like Got to Get You Into My Life.  


Posted By: Capt Fongsby
Date Posted: May 21 2012 at 13:29
Mason.




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