Close to the Edge in Reverse Order
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Topic: Close to the Edge in Reverse Order
Posted By: Blood Wake
Subject: Close to the Edge in Reverse Order
Date Posted: June 07 2012 at 18:01
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I've always thought that "Close to the Edge" was just short of being a perfect album but never really understood what the problem with it was. I now believe that the first track on the album is just too epic to not be the finale of the album. (2112 has the same problem) I feel its easier to appreciate "Siberian Khatru" and "And you and I" if you haven't just listened to one of the best tracks ever recorded. I would have made it, side B then Side A but "Siberian Khatru" has been used by YES as a concert opener so they're aware that its a good way to get the crowd up and listening. "And You and I" still sounds great as the middle track. Listen to the album with the track order reversed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0t1M0k7Dc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0t1M0k7Dc ------------- Music is my gospel and I preach with my picking hand. -Harry Chapin. Not prog but still cool. Haha I make mini-docs on lesser-known classic prog acts. http://SeansMusicHunt.com |
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 00:55
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Only 3 tracks so I don't think it matters tbh.I would maybe put And You And I at the end as its one of the most beautifull prog tracks ever.Siberia Khatru as an opener makes some sense so I would go with: Siberian Khatru
Close To The Edge
And You And I
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 01:56
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^That wouldn't have been possible on vinyl without splitting the title track in halves. I personally never had a problem appreciating And You and I and Siberian Khatru. I think Siberian Khatru would be too humble an opener for such an epic album. |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 02:32
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actually a fair point. "Da Futura" is in the end of Udu Wudu, and it makes waiting for it worthwhile. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 02:53
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HarbouringTheSoul wrote:Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 02:56
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I like how CTTE is layed out. Don't think it could've been sone better ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 04:16
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I prefer Side 1 and Side 2 as they are. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 06:39
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Well, Siberian Khatru is a good opening track, and the band has used it to open concerts. But the song Close To The Edge in my ears has not a real finale like for instance Awaken. Not that that's bad... it's just that I have the feeling that the song could be anywhere on an album. I starts and ends the same way, with ambient sounds. So it's like an island, a world on it's own. Anyway, I couldn't imagine the album otherwise than it is. I don't feel a need to it either. I think it has a nice balance now. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 06:40
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Leave em the same or play Close to the Edge last that my opinion ------------- 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 07:07
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I'll try listening that way some time, but as it stands, I think the ending of Siberian Khatru is even more "epic" than the ending of Close to the Edge, so I've always considered it an ideal closing track. Interesting idea anyway. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: bb1319
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 09:12
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I actually agree, oddly enough. I usually only listen on CTTE on vinyl, and I listen to it in the original order, but when I listen to it on a long car drive, I end up naturally wanting to start with Siberian Khatru and end with CTTE. In the end, it's probably just a personal preference anyway. ------------- "I'd say that what we hear is the quality of our listening." -Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 09:29
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Dang I thought we were all gonna be talking about hidden messages and crazy backward noises they put in the album... ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 11:28
Agreed...
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 12:23
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When Yes toured with TfTO they started out playing CttE in reverse order followed by TfTO (not in reverse order of course) followed by an encore of at least Roundabout and sometimes Heart Of The Sunrise. Later on the tour they changed the setlist (apparently spending 2.5 hours on only 9 songs was a bit too much). ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: DaveyByTheSea
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 13:37
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I always thought that CTTE's "evil twin" Relayer needed the tracks in a different order. I would have started with Sound Chaser and have the epic Gates as the finale ------------- Skyline Teacher taught me everything! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 13:42
"To Be Over" has and is one of the finest conclusions Yes has. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 13:44
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 14:14
I agree as well. As much as I think Gates blows the other two tracks completely away, I think To Be Over would sound out of place anywhere else on the album. Yes did open shows with Sound Chaser though, just like they did with Siberian Khatru. Personally, I think they were just trying to give the live audience something different. I don't really understand the point of playing albums live, start to finish, unless they are concept albums. Also I think CTTE is perfect as is. Still, one nice thing about digital technology is that people who think otherwise can order tracks as they see fit (even on CD players you can program the tracks in whatever order you like). |
Posted By: FromAbove
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 14:25
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Though I don't like moving around song order... Sometimes after listening to an album, I feel like the longer songs should be placed at the end, usually because it seems like "Oh, now I have the shorter songs! Darn!". I prefer the Foxtrot/Pawn Hearts method. I wouldn't mind Siberian Khatru, And You And I, and Close To The Edge being the order, but I probably wouldn't bother me either way. It'd be just as satisfying either way since each piece is incredible in their own right. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 14:37
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I agree, CTTE should be the finale. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 14:49
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I think Close To The Edge is perfect with the title track being first in line. It of course wouldn't change the quality of the album by modifying the track listing, but I would almost prefer if the track list went like this: 1. Close To The Edge 2. Siberian Khatru 3. And You And I Just ending on the beauty of And You And I would be a nice finish to such an album, rather than the funk and drive of Khatru. ------------- 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 14:51
That would make it similar in structure to Relayer, and would really give it that "evil twin" tag the album gets. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 15:20
 Very true. I like Sound Chaser better than Siberian Khatru though. Gates and CTTE are always the two tracks that compete for first place when it comes to Yes; it's so hard to choose between the two - both are so epic.-------------
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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 15:59
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I've heard that Yes actually arranged their live sets at the time so that the songs would chronologically appear in that order - that is intro, "Siberian Khatru", a bunch of songs, "And You And I", some more songs, "Close To The Edge", encore. Nonetheless, I like the reverse order, it sounds a bit more natural to me. "Siberian Khatru" makes a good intro, "And You And I" gives you time to relax and "Close To The Edge" is the massive grand finale. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 17:05
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Siberian Khatru is clearly recorded to be the album closer, so if the track sequence were changed it would have to be remixed. All the songs are great, so it does not matter the order in which they are played, except in the case of personal preference. I like it as it is. But then, Yessongs opens with Siberian Khatru, so it has that capability. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: stacyj
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 19:27
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I always figured And Yo and I ?
...was a warm up for the rest of the album?
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Posted By: stacyj
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 19:31
oh and Country Music!!!
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 08 2012 at 23:23
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revir eht yb nwod, egde eht ot esolc.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 03:08
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 03:09
i disagree. And You and I ends too abruptley ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 03:12
I would like it like 1.Gates of Delriem (I know thats not how it's spelled but I'm too tierd to look it up.) 2.Too Be Over 3.Sound Chaser Sound Chaser would be an epic ending ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 09:40
| I agree. The ending of CttE is one of the best endings and it always moves me. It would be perfect as the end. Siberian Khatru is, on the other side, more fitting as the beginning song on the album. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 09:59
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The original order works fine for me. How about playing the whole album in reverse instead?
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Posted By: stacyj
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 11:04
reverse or backwards?
....= only ELO and Country Music!
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Posted By: stacyj
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 11:05
,,,,as far as a hidden satnical hidden message!!!!
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 11:56
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esolc ot egde, nwod yb eht revir
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 09 2012 at 16:22
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Interesting. But how great is Close to the edge's intro! I think I couldn't start to listen to the album with an other track. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Ytse_Jam
Date Posted: June 12 2012 at 18:38
| I would put the title track in the end too. Siberian Khatru riffy intro works well as an opener imo. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: June 12 2012 at 19:49
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:05
| Not strictly on topic, but I refuse to listen to 2112 in official order. A Passage To Bangkok sounds absolutely ridiculous after 2112. I have rearranged my version so 2112 comes last. |
Posted By: notesworth
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:11
| I tried it in reverse order and it didn't flow well. Maybe it's the long gap between And You and I and Close to the Edge. I'll stick with the original order. |
Posted By: ProgEpics
Date Posted: June 21 2012 at 23:34
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There are a lot of albums that should be in a different order or have some songs not on the albums at all..I always do this with my music. I took away I walk beside you from octavarium (I know the 8 songs and how it relates to the concept but it just does not fit). Or "jungle" from elo's Out of the blue. The listen as a whole is more important to me than each individual song. I like to put on an album and let it go. (Also seamus from meddle) ------------- Come on you target for faraway laughter, Come on you stranger, you legend, you martyr, and shine! |