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God, I lived to buy albums, still II love to go on search safaris, it's relaxing and rewarding, maybe using their index finger to search in a bunch of albums gets them exhausted..This is BS.

The system controls people more and more each day, now they are told what to like.

We are doomed as a civilization.

Iván

This is true, when I moved last time, the CDs were the heaviest part ... and then re-shelving them all was a huge PITA, especially because of course if I'm going to reshelve them, may as well reorganised them. I'm not looking forward to moving again, my collection has grown quite significantly since then...

As far as streaming goes, I have no problems with it for the most part, I do it myself, it's nice and convenient, especially for checking out new music. I'm still stuck in my ways and end up trying to buy whatever I can that I end up liking.

That's why I ultimately ditched all the plastic and put all my CDs into sleeves.  Space is at a premium at my house and the physical CDs in cases were just taking up too much room.  In any case, I have them all ripped, so it's pretty much storage.

On-topic:  whether CDs or a downloaded file, I still actually want a copy resident on my own machines.

We were young and had no money also, but even worst, we didn't have downloads  or samples, we bought the albums almost blindly, for God's sake in my country we didn't even had Prog albums, we had to get them from other countries...But that was what made us appreciate music.

People always wanted music for free, I was watching the Isle Of Wight (The Who) Blue-ray and people broke the barriers to get music for free, there was a guy who shouted that they didn't wanted to feed the artists, that music was for people and had to be free, that he didn't wanted artists who had to be paid.

Of course they were repressed...Today they make free downloading illegal, but give free streaming of full albums...I simply don't get it.

Kids today don't even want to choose what they want to listen, they allow others to decide for them, this seems absurd for me.

Maybe I'm a bitter old fart, but I always believed artists have to eat, and that's their career, they have to be paid, and if you don't enjoy music enough to go to a store and find the album you want...Well, you don't care for music at all.

Iván

I spend 7+ years downloading music and accumulating a library on my hard drive. I recently reformatted and deleted all of it. For 99% of my music, I use Spotify, and I love the model. It certainly beats buying a physical CD.

If they decided to raise the barrier to use it (ie raise price), then all the people who pirate and have stopped (mostly) because of this service, will start again.

The bottom line is the old model is COMPLETELY DEAD. Whatever replaces it, it will be on the internet.

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Re: "Generational thing"

I mean this in a broader sense, too. Some older people (my parents/grandparents, Congressman, newspeople, etc.) don't get how much the Internet means to my generation. They think it is just another source of information, or a time waster most often. Nope. It is THE source of news, culture, political ideas, and media. This is why people my age can be defensive as hell about regulation of it. What I see is busybodies in Congress and international bodies trying to regulate a socio-cultural equalizer, and holding onto the past when the future is knocking at the door. Don't like it? Fall by the wayside, IMO. But the resentment that comes from older folks struggling to hold back the rapid progression of technology is tiresome to me, at best.

So it is the internet, but only in a certain way it is used? I can still call the internet, the internet?

I don't know the EULA of all these services, but Apple got so much flak for having a clause about owning works uploaded with their book service, that I don't think companies "owning" original works is currently a thing. Soundcloud doesn't known original works uploaded to it, for instance.

 

That's some pretty intense crystal-balling. I'm not sure how far off I can even see local hard drives and isolated services not being around. I think for professionals, having secure info only they can see will always be in demand. And If EULAs don't take that into account there will always be other options.

 

I do too and I'm 12, so no

I think future revenue for 'underground' to 'well known'  non-mainstream artists will probably rely on 'special editions' and kickstarter-type campaigns... I was recently told that dloads don't equal near what a trad cd sale would, though I was thinking it was the opposite... I guess it depends on the venue... amazon vs bandcamp perhaps(though i dont know what bandcamp takes as a %)... I preferred dloads(for affordability and space), personally, but this has made me rethink my purchases... basically, cutting back(i don't have much to spend anyway-as opposed to 10 years ago) and only buying the cds or lps of artists I really appreciate... not to mention avoiding the 'used' sales, because obviously the artist isn't getting a cent... I was also recently apprised that the streaming services basically pay the artists zilch... not a good deal... for them, anyway... there is so much crap out there.. we need to support the relevant musicians somehow.. even if it's a donation so they can get some software/equipment to record or for whatever other reason.... toby driver's got a kickstarter that i think is still ongoing.. not a big fan of the project, but i funded it anyway, because i've enjoyed the cds i've had from him over the years... same goes for devin townsend... i'll probably save some money to buy his new (live)boxset even though i have all the albums already

I'm 19 and I love owning music and recently I've jumped into the world of vinyl and love it. I'm huge into the physicality which always beats an audio file or streaming song any day. Nothing beats the actual physicality of music. I admit though I have quite a few mp3 albums and songs bought or downloaded from like the band's site or record label.

And yes I want to give my money to artists that's their vocation just like any other job. My favorite artist Neal Morse, I order almost 100% of his stuff direct from his record site so he gets 100% profit. I want the man to keep making amazing music so I support him. This can be applied to any favorite artist.

don't those things hurt your ears(not YOU-general ya'll!)  I tried those earplug/bud things one time and my right ear felt sore for a couple of days afterwards... and yes, when i was a kid we had tape and cd 'walkman's... and they were also bad for your longterm hearing.. though, not as bad as a night in a 110 db club... I have comfortably used some dj/quality fullcoverage headphones without too much discomfort(used to play some club musics)... but anything you are sticking in your ear can't be very healthy/longterm, at least

 

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I know! It drives me nuts. I use earbuds sometimes (when in transit, because they are easy to carry around, and occasionally in bed if I need music to help me sleep, because they are easy to wear while lying down + then my wife doesn't have to deal with my music). But with those, and with headphones, I keep the volume DOWN...but I've known people where if I was sitting next to them, and we were both wearing headphones, I can't hear my music over theirs. And I've expressed my concern to them but they don't do anything to change. I just don't -get- it. If you like music, wouldn't you want to protect your hearing?????????!?

Lets not go to the store and buy a card, sign it and give it to our friend or family member on their birthday......Rather go online and post some common comment for all to see you acknowledged a life event....and don't forget the double colon and right side parenthesis marks, to help make it more original.

 

Laziness is what I call it....owning music is work? Really give me a break.

 

Let those lazy young people do what they want...just stay out of my record stores, you are not worthy.

 

I don't consider myself old, but at 49 I am sure that is the case since I buy physical music media. So if I am old, then you (young people) are lazy.

 

As Ivan states....we are doomed

 

If I could have simply streamed any of it out of the air without any effort, I would have. Who wouldn't?

 

This thread is just whinging.

 

Which upon my death will be promptly mothballed and never noticed by anyone.

 

Quoted for truth.

 

Actually reposting because I think this is a key point that needs to be made, but will be lost at the end of the previous page.

 

Very true Slarti.....it is the "new" FM radio. The problem is now you can make playlists and have the same music available at a push of a button on your phone. With old fashioned FM radio, your still at the mercy of the digital DJ.....I have a warm feeling in my heart knowing I have paid for my music, at least I have something to show for it.

 

Friends and family like to come over and flip thru vinyl and CD cases.......guess I am old skool and I am fine with that.

I have a confession  to make. I love blaring and blasting music, but an overwhelming portion of it is prog in all its forms. I mean come on Supper's Ready 9/8 time instrumental passage rocks blaring out (or DT's heavy songs) of my car or stereo system. I do however hate earbuds with a passion especially with an ipod playing horrendous quality mp3s. My ears want to bleed because it sounds so bad. I have these awesome sound cancelling headphones that has wonderful sound quality combined with my customized equalizer on my sony walkman media player. Yes i do listen to them loudly too, and the spillage is bad sadly so people will hear me. 

So you wouldn't have taken advantage of streaming music you had it when you were young?  If you don't understand why streaming is legal and free downloads are illegal, that's fine, but it doesn't make it wrong or terrible for people to stream music.  They're not stealing and they're not doing anything illegal.  Sites like Grooveshark even sign agreements with artists and record companies so that they can have the right to offer their services.  Slarti hit on a good point when he said that streaming was the new radio.  You could also think of it as an internet library for music.  Do you feel like you're ripping the authors off when you borrow books from the library instead of buying them?

I stream music quite frequently, and I choose what I listen to myself, and I care deeply about music.  Because I care about it, I'm glad that I can get it more easily and that I can actually afford it.  

Some of us are a different race of people, I would had used stream to see how the album sounds and then buy it, but the pleasure for me is to get a new LP or CD and open it brand new, that instant alone is worth the money i paid, plus of course years of great music

BTW: We had cassettes, and I preferred to pay for the album  even if i had to sacrifice gas money for weekends or the few luxuries I could afford.

I want Prog to survive, and for one site that pays royalties, 300 steal the full albums and even the complete career of an artist, I love Prog, I want it to survive and for that reason i want it to be profitable, music is not for free, music is property of the artist.

But that's not what I don't understand i don't understand people who say "owning music is a problem" I want my CD's to play at my house, on my trips on the plane, anywhere, I hate MP3, money is still a problem for me (I'm not rich), but music it's part of my life, and my records are my pride and joy.

Iván

 

That was 50% of my music buying habit growing up......along with buying based on album cover art.

I though it was pretty well-known that people in Japan wore plastic bags filled with water on their heads in their day-to-day lives.

 

Epignosis wrote: For this generation, music isn't something to love- it's a barrier for the outside world and a way to discourage thought.

 

I don't recall him saying anything about the 70's, just about this generation.  That doesn't imply that there wasn't any thoughtless music made back then. 

 

And the "fundamentalist Christian" comment was off-topic, rude, and unnessecary, besides being a false assumption.  It's one thing to criticize religion on these forums, another entirely to ridicule someone because of their faith.

Don't rule that out just yet, Slarti. 

 Brilliant article.

 

 

Of the 75,000 albums released in 2010 only 2,000 sold more than 5,000 copies. Only 1,000 sold more than 10,000 copies. Without going into details, 10,000 albums is about the point where independent artists begin to go into the black on professional album production, marketing and promotion.

...that's scary - I knew it was something like that, but not quite that bad.

 

1. I have an account at a music site with an active payment process.

2. I enter a password everytime

3. I pay for music on a monthly basis

(3a. I buy CDs and Vinyl on a monthly basis as well as at concerts)

 

I really like how he decribes the "cost" of getting this music and what is happeneing in the background.

 

 

 

 

AH: I don't believe it is off-topic. A lot of people would say that religion throws up barriers and discourages thought. It was a "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" thing.

 

What were we talking about?

Oh yeah. Epig, stay out of my beer.

I DON'T CARE IF HE DIDN"T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, THE POINT STILL STANDS.

 

CHECKMATE.

 

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But I do say perhaps. A lot of us alive now feel the need for physical releases purely because of plastic memory. Future generations will possibly grow up without any concept at all of a sound based product needing to be physically packaged, which could put the nail in the coffin altogether.

 

American labor being respected is similarly code for labour being weak in other countries. America thinks being equal to other countries is a weakness while at the same time going on about how they want everyone to be equal.

 

As for the rich paying taxes... OK I'll give you that one ;)

 

There is still good music outside of prog. Anyone who says there isn't hasn't tried looking.

 

TV was always kind of garbage. In fact if anything there's a strong case for it being better today than in the 70s.

 

Why is it necessary to own a physical representation of a sound? A lot of you prog goes on about how it's about the music and the sound is all that matters etc, image means nothing, and then you come in this thread and insist music be tied to a little paper booklet with some pictures on it.