Bonham vs Moon
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Topic: Bonham vs Moon
Posted By: geneyesontle
Subject: Bonham vs Moon
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 16:40
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Both are great. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 17:00
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This is very difficult for me. Though Bonham was more versatile for sure, i like Moon's playing a lot more. Plus i loved how he just blended the other members together.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 17:01
Really? I've always thought them decent but unexceptional drummers paired with quite exceptional bassists. I think both were magnified in stature by their wild lifestyles and early demise.
Of the two, I slightly prefer Bonham, but there are lots of better drummers. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
geneyesontle wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 17:14
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Both are at the very top of my list, and I would personally find it very hard coming up with better ones - and that is including Peart, Bruford, Harrison and Portnoy. Voted Moon the Loon though. He found rhythms where nobody had ever looked before. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 17:19
I know. Bonham wasn't the most precise drummer, but his groove and his drum sound is the best. And he changed rock drumming forever. Moon was ahead of his time with his fils and his grooves. I also think there's a lot of better drummers like Bill Bruford that are ten times better than these two: Also, some of the videos that showed Keith's wild lifestyle: 1. The drum explosion: 2. And the stage collapse because of horse tranqualizers: [ ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 17:59
ditto ------------- 
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 18:29
| Bonham |
Posted By: Glucose
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 18:58
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Bonzo is one of my favorite person in rock history. He was "lovely" and for me the best drummer ever born. But Keith was also very good.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:05
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I'm a big Bonham booster. I find myself paying attention to his playing more than anyone else in Zeppelin, even Page. He gets my vote. Moon did some amazing things though. They were both pivotal in the success of their respective bands. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:10
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Moon, easy. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:17
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I always liked Bonham's sound. It's very warm and powerful. He had good feet. They both used to be favorites of mine when I was younger. However, being exposed to better drummers I don't think either of them to be really great. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:42
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Great match up, but Bonzo, more versatile for sure. Nothing is less important to me as a listener than pure technical ability, and John had a feel for sure. And I think 'warm' and 'powerful' are excellent descriptors. ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:52
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I think Bonham is very sloppy. He got groove but I think Keith Moon is way better. He's steady. ------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 19:58
But Keith Moon has sloppy drums, as showed in the My Generation video.
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:04
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But it ain't sloppy in many songs (like the whole The Who Sell Out album). John Bonham can't be steady  .------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:06
Okay, I will do a poll of John Paul Jones vs John Entwistle. And who will win. THE OX. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:08
I talk about the drum sound. Bonham has a much better sound compared to Moon. So that's why Keith has sloppy drums compared to Bonzo. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:10
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John is much more steady than Keith. Moon was bombastic in playing and in his approach, Bonham was bombastic in his sound. The Ox is better than John, but John composed some fantastic stuff. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:25
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Bonham. For a hard rock drummer he was quite good. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 20:40
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: June 26 2012 at 22:04
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 02:09
| Moon is good but I never heard something that really impressed me, Bonham did. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 02:30
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Moon. ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:32
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Henry ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 05:43
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Bonzo. His playing is honestly everything in Zeppelin. All are great musicians, but Bonzo is the ultimate rock n roll drummer. This poll actually put me in a Led Zeppelin mood for the first time in years. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 08:09
John Bonham .... John Henry Bonham  ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 08:16
Ohh - I need the Zep, on a regular basis. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 09:25
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 10:57
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Bonzo. -------------  
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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 11:23
That means I changed your life.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 12:28
| Moon |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 13:18
Watch this: Bonham is not keeping the rythym, but he impresses me. Not Moon the Loon. Bonzo has a smaller kit than Moon because he hits everything on the drum set. Moon dosen't hit everything.
------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 14:32
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John Bonham was a great drummer in terms of talent, but he's the worst influence in the history of rock drumming. ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 16:42
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^ Heh. Was matter of time before you showed. Back on topic, I have to narrowly give it to Moon, mainly for his drum work on Who's Next. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 16:45
| As great as Bonham is, Moon has a natural flow to him that remains unsurpassed. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:24
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^ Sometimes a natural flow is not enough. geneyesontle, Svetonio, great video provisions here. Looks like Pete really knew how to put on a good show back in the day. In all honesty, so far I haven't heard a single darn thing that Moon blew me away on. I will not go into details of why so as not to frustrate anyone. Went with Bonzo. I think "In My Time of Dying" is where he is at his absolute best.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:37
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Moon's gaining ground |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:41
Well, great drumming is coming your way folks: ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:43
Why ? ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 19:45
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^ oh I suspect it's something like "he just churned out a lot of thud-thud-thud and had bad rhythm" kind of misguided nonsense |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 20:57
A lot of people say he disregarded dynamics and subtlety, etc etc ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:06
| ^ What's so subtle about Moon's drumming? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:06
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Just quoting man! ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 21:09
| ^ Just wondering if you knew. |
Posted By: gazagod
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 20:15
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Bonham... I think he was (*technically speaking) a bit better drummer... ------------- we only know that we do not know |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 21:26
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Bonzo.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 22:07
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I ain't voting. Moon was certainly a busy dude. Bonham, at least on the studio recordings, benefited from the recording method, i.e., the drums were never directly miked. Hence the deep, echoey sound. But man did that dude have a right foot. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 28 2012 at 22:27
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i think Bonham has more technical skill, but I like Kieth's style of drumming more. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 01:35
| Keith Moon was an absolute giant. The ultimate punky style drummer yet could play prog better than anyone as evidenced by Baba O'Riley. There is a precision about his drumming there that even Bruford would be hard pressed to match. Moon was to drumming what Emerson was to keyboards and Hendrix to guitars (imo). Bonham of course was a very impressive drummer and if he had done more stuff like Achilles Last Stand then I would be voting for him perhaps. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 04:13
I've heard a lot of drummers who never had any problems with precision.
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Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:34
My brother put it best when he said (approximately): "John Bonham singlehandedly destroyed any sense of dynamics in three generations worth of drummers. Instead of an understanding of dynamics as soft and loud, drummers have come to believe that the two main classes of drum volume are loud and GOD-IS-DEAD." ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: June 29 2012 at 07:37
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Mind you, I think Bonham's drumming on the first album is an essential part of the sound (even if I think his drumming is entirely inappropriate on "Your Time is Going to Come"), that his drumming on Physical Graffiti and Presence is nearly impeccable, and there are odd tracks elsewhere where I think he's fantastic. On the whole, though, his drumming approach is just not my preference. I far prefer Ian Paice, for instance. ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 30 2012 at 03:14
He's just a drummer I always loved and Baba O'Riley is still for me the best drumming I've ever heard. Bonham was of course a fantastic drummer but I've never had a great love of hard/heavy rock and can mostly take or leave it.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 02 2012 at 22:04
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Love both, but Bonham's bonecrushing beat has never been duplicated. Hell, half of Zeppelin's songs didn't even need bass guitar. That being said, John Entwistle was a better bass player than John Paul Jones. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: July 03 2012 at 00:04
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Bonzo, easily for me.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 23 2012 at 01:07
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Bonham had a certain punch which drove the band and tightened them up. The way he had his snare drum tuned , the muscular attack when the stick hit the drum was driving...and the triplets played left hand, right hand, left foot , right foot. He had that mastered. It was clean and it sounded like 3 people playing the drums instead of one. It was a bit like the style of Carmine Appice ..except Bonham accented his hits of speed differently. In the sections of "Black Dog" where the band drops out , there is a vocal part, and then Bonham re-enters the band by playing a series of off beats. Off beats or accents that are very syncopated. I believe he must have written those parts in his head, suggested playing those sections where he leads the band back into the progression. He was very creative. Keith Moon's most outstanding performance for me was "Underture". That is some of the fastest playing ...I mean it is really insane! The rolls on each drum, the roundhouse, and he has the perfect feel and is very clean and precise. Rolls that you would normally hear in the style of Carl Palmer and also Billy Cobham. Billy Cobham plays a very strange solo titled "Crosswinds" where you hear the sounds of the wind and the flanger drum effect. What Keith Moon produces with his hands on "Underture" is quite to the level of players like Cobham and Palmer. He is like a real Classical drummer throughout the piece taking himself very seriously. Another example ....the buzz roll that Cobham playes for the intro to "One Word" (Mahavishnu), and some of the more intense soloing of Carl Palmer on "Welcome Back" "Karn Evil 9 would not have been such a great feat for Keith Moon. On different live recordings of the Who, he sounds sloppy for one reason or the other., hitting the sticks together during a fast roundhouse...but "Underture" is his masterpiece. Here...he samples how he can switch from one drum to the next ...like 32nd notes played in Jazz guitar, without hitting the rims or sticks and with amazing feel. The first time I saw Mitch Mitchell play, it felt like I was watching Keith Moon. He had the same attack as Keith Moon and especially in the Hendrix song "Fire". It really sounds like Moon is playing the song. It's that Jazz mentality in Rock music which drove the Who and dominated their sound.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 23 2012 at 01:22
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: August 29 2012 at 11:23
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Moon. Always an exciting player to hear and watch. Not one for solos, but uses the kit to great dynamic effect. Most drummers pair with the bass to form the rhythm section. Moon's drumming pairs more closely to Townshend's guitar, punctuating the dynamics of the music. ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: August 29 2012 at 12:29
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Between these two, I'll vote for Keith Moon. But there are far better drummers I believe than these two... On the top of my head, Neil Peart. (Rush). ------------- If anybody wants please visit: http://www.gfreedomathina.blogspot.com/ This is my Blog mostly about Rock music, but also a few other things as well. You are most welcome! Thank you. :) |