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Topic: Why does Glass Hammer get Hammered here?
Posted By: javajeff
Subject: Why does Glass Hammer get Hammered here?
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:39
Glass Hammer has a few albums that should be rated over 4.00, but they are lower at PA.  Compare their top four  albums to anything on the 2011 top 100, and their albums are rated low.  Their highest is a 3.75.  They make solid prog.  Why don't they get higher ratings from the PA audience?  Do they sound too much like other groups?



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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:41
Because frankly I find them to be rather unoriginal and not very interesting. I never rated any of their albums, though.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 14:55
I've never heard anything from them, but I must admit from reading all those reviews talking about how they sound like YES - doesn't exactly make me wet myself. I love YES, but when I want to hear YES, then I pop on Relayer. 

These people maybe wrong though, I know - but there's a good deal of writers whom I respect that mostly describe their music as being very close to the aforementioned band. 

On another note, many a bands featured here on PA have 'low' ratings according to other sites. One of my old favourites, Franco Battiato's debut album Fetus, had a rating below 3 before I reviewed it. Personally I found that to be verging on the offensive, and I don't even pay attention to ratingsLOL


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:06
I consider a 3.75 average rating to be excellent, actually.  I wouldn't worry.  Only the absolute top dogs end up with average ratings over 4. Consider the sample size, too.  Any average rating calculated from less than 100 ratings is probably not that reliable.


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:12
Glass Hammer is great. There's a lot of opinionated jerks who think it makes them sound more intelligent if they trash bands around here. Don't take them seriously, I guess. This site should be about appreciation of music, but there's too many people who think they need to trash another band to make their favorite sound good, and they're just hurting themselves by being so over critical is all.

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Posted By: Morsenator
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:18
A very nice band indeed. Sure, you can hear the Yes influences, but it's nothing like a clone or anything. Actually I prefer a few of their best songs over most of Yes's classic material Tongue

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:43
I sampled some but don't know them really.  I have a strict policy against hammering music I don't know.  

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Posted By: Lofcaudio
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:46
I love Lex Rex and Culture of Ascent.  Shadowlands is okay.  Everything else of theirs just seems really bland to my ears.  I own everything of theirs from Lex Rex through If.


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:53
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Glass Hammer is great. There's a lot of opinionated jerks who think it makes them sound more intelligent if they trash bands around here. Don't take them seriously, I guess. This site should be about appreciation of music, but there's too many people who think they need to trash another band to make their favorite sound good, and they're just hurting themselves by being so over critical is all.
GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 15:59
I saw that response coming from a mile away, although I expected that it would come from the rabid dog of snow.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:02
I saw that response coming from that response two miles away. Tongue

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:09
You must be a good chess player.  Have you met Vompatti?

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:13
Big smile

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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:15
javajeff:  You'll find that modern symphonic prog in general tends to polarize opinion, as some people love it while some think it's too derivative of the classic bands, or not "progressive" or experimental enough.  Being heavily inspired by Yes, Glass Hammer often gets tagged as a Yes clone, and however good the compositions might be, if a band's music is too close to the sound of a classic band, it's not worth much as it's just unnecessary repetition of what another band already did.  I've only heard a couple Glass Hammer songs, so I don't have an opinion on them.  I liked the songs (they did sound quite similar to Yes), but I just never listened to more than a few (there's so much good music out there, it's hard to listen to it all!)  Really, the only modern symph I listen to is Epignosis and Echolyn, as of now.

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Posted By: Morsenator
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:16
If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 

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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:19
Originally posted by Morsenator Morsenator wrote:

If he sees that response coming, and you see his response for that response coming, and I see your response for that response's response coming, did I see my response for the response's response already before he posted his response? 

Confused

LOL


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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:51
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.


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Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 16:57
I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:10
Shadowlands is okay, rest of their stuff is kind of annoying/bad/cheesy whatever. 

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Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:10
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?

WAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HA!!!  LOL
Sorry...that was too funny.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:22
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.


The things you flip sh*t about aren't trolling by any stretch of the imagination.


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Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:22
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

WAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HA!!!  LOL
Sorry...that was too funny.


I love Dream Theater too!  Wink


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:25
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
There is nothing wrong with a negative review. Actually, I think most musicians would prefer a sincere, negative review to a positive, ass-licking one. And it is, of course, possible to be both negative and respectful at the same time. That's what you should be striving for IMO, to always be respectful, but critical.
 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:06
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.


One can be respectful even in loathing a performance.

I know this because I am a teacher.


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:09
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list


I'm not crazy about Lex Rex- it's okay to me (though I've only heard it two, three times).

Shadowlands is their best album- 5 stars.

Culture of Ascent is their second best and I think I gave that 5 stars.  The cover of "South Side of the Sky" is better than Yes' original. 

I liked Cor Cordium an awful lot.

Also, I have a crush on Susie Bogdanowicz.  Embarrassed


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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:24
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list

I haven't heard any Wobbler, but from reading reviews, I think Wobbler gets rated a bit higher because they are so similar to Yes that people just tend to think of their stuff as "extra Yes albums" and rate the albums as if they had been made by Yes in the 70's.  Glass Hammer seems to me to sit a bit on the edge; not similar enough to Yes to be accepted as a total clone, but not different enough to avoid the "derivative" tag.  That's just my impression from the reviews and discussions around here; I'm not very familiar with the bands and I'm not trying to represent any particular person's opinion.


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:37
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I was just really curious why they get hit so hard.  I always thought it was the YES clone analogy.  However, what about Wobbler?  I think Wobbler is rated higher, but they did not make it over the 4.00 hump.  I think both bands have good albums.

Does Progressive Metal get more love than Symphonic?  I enjoy both.

Look at this list and tell me that every album rated over 4.00 is better than Lex Rex:

http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/top-prog-albums.asp?syears=2011#list

I haven't heard any Wobbler, but from reading reviews, I think Wobbler gets rated a bit higher because they are so similar to Yes that people just tend to think of their stuff as "extra Yes albums" and rate the albums as if they had been made by Yes in the 70's.  Glass Hammer seems to me to sit a bit on the edge; not similar enough to Yes to be accepted as a total clone, but not different enough to avoid the "derivative" tag.  That's just my impression from the reviews and discussions around here; I'm not very familiar with the bands and I'm not trying to represent any particular person's opinion.


The three Wobbler albums sound like three different bands to me.  The first was good but all over the place.  The second was all over the place and bad.  The latest one, Rites of Dawn is straight up Yes revisited and it's their best album.  Perfect morning music.


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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 18:46
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.


The things you flip sh*t about aren't trolling by any stretch of the imagination.

I have to agree.

I love the band from Chronometree until Three Cheers for the Broken-Hearted, where they unfortunately became another Yes pastiche. They had pretty obvious influences from Kansas, ELP, Yes and another band I can't recall now, but they were still somewhat original. I haven't followed them since, though. I can understand why people dislike them, however, and I'm OK with it.




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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 20:08
Aw yeah, gettin' hammered.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 01:26
I did 'hammer' their album 'If' which in my opinion is a poor clone of Yes. I really don't like it all.
However I do like Lex Rex,Shadowlands and Chronomotree and I love The Inconsolable Secret which in my opinion is a modern symph prog masterpeice and a long way from being a Yes clone. Unfortunately they pretty much ran out of ideas after that eventually ditching the wonderfull Susie B and decding to go with an obvious Jon Anderson sound a like. I really don't like it but my take is that all bands have a shelf life and GH have exceeded theirs by several years. I still have much to enjoy by them including the two DVD's 'Lex Live' and 'Live At Belmont' which I play a lot. Fred is an amazing talent but I reserve the right to not like their recent material and I respect that others will like this recent material which is absolutely fine. As for the ratings of their albums ..well most of them are considerably higher than ELP - Works Volume One yet GH will never touch the brilliance of Pirates no matter how long they carry on. I think they are treated fairly. There is a lot of good music out there and GH are just part of the melting pot.


Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 02:14
I only have one Glass Hammer album, their Middle-Earth one.
 
Sorry, I don't care for it at all. Never bothered picking up anything else they've done based on that.


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 02:41
I like em. Love the lead singer too as I saw him live at the Yes concert singing in place of Benoit and he was terrific. Good band and I must get round to reviewing the albums too.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 02:48
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
There is nothing wrong with a negative review. Actually, I think most musicians would prefer a sincere, negative review to a positive, ass-licking one. And it is, of course, possible to be both negative and respectful at the same time. That's what you should be striving for IMO, to always be respectful, but critical.
 
(Sorry for all the edits. English is not my first language.)

Bard pretty much said what I thought. Geoff, nobody's insulting anything because it's cool. Most of the times we just exclaim we don't like things because frankly we don't like them. It's very weird I know. You'll find that most of the negative reviews are critical as well as opinionated and I see that as a good thing.  


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Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 20:42
I just found this to be an interesting topic, but I am no fanboy.  I like Glass Hammer along with the many other Prog groups in my collection.  I think they are solid, and they are releasing a new concept album entitled Perilous.

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 20:51
Am I the only one who thought Three Cheers for the Broken Hearted was a good album?  Not their usual style but still a solid album, I thought.  Chronomotree is my favorite of their albums.  One thing I always thought they had a problem with was in the vocal department, so generally my favorites are the ones where they have someone else singing, Brad Marler on Chronomotree, Jon Davison on the last two and Carl Groves on Culture of Ascent.  

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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 20:55
I really am not a fan and believe me i've tried. Just my taste in music that's all. Sometimes a band clicks sometimes they don't.

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 21:29
Hey Doctor! I quite enjoyed `Three Cheers', it's a nice album from them to put on in the background when you're not in the mood to listen to bombastic, epic workouts! It's still very well played with great vocals. I wish they'd made a bit more effort with the cover, though!

Jon Davison has been great for them, though I really do miss the female vocals. I also liked it when Steve/Fred sang, even though they're not the most memorable of vocalists, there is a nice purity and honesty in their voices. Some of the favourites from Lex Rex and Shadowlands had those two singing.

I think `Cor Cordium' was more of a step away from the outright Yes comparisons, but I don't think the material was quite as memorable as the stuff on `If', which some have dismissed as a total Yes ripoff.

Still, I love the band, and how happy they are to produce epic, clasical, massive prog rock in the grandest tradition!


Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 22:04
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Am I the only one who thought Three Cheers for the Broken Hearted was a good album?  Not their usual style but still a solid album, I thought.  Chronomotree is my favorite of their albums.  

I liek Three Cheers and have a review about it, if you'd like to check.


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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 22:18
To me, they're second tier. They're good, but I've got more A-list artists to explore before I really get into them.


Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 22:22
Post-80s symph-prog (with a few exceptions) isn't that popular around here.

Shadowlands is fantastic, as is If. GH deserve a bit more renown.


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Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 23:57
I happen to really like Glass Hammer, especially If.  I frankly don't care how "original" they sound - it's still good music (to my ears at least), so I enjoy it.  It really irks me to see people complaining about GH solely because they're "derivative" or "unorginal" without actually addressing the quality of the music (which is quite high, in my opinion).

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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: July 11 2012 at 23:59
Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

I frankly don't care how "original" they sound - it's still good music (to my ears at least), so I enjoy it.




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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 01:14
Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

I happen to really like Glass Hammer, especially If.  I frankly don't care how "original" they sound - it's still good music (to my ears at least), so I enjoy it.  It really irks me to see people complaining about GH solely because they're "derivative" or "unorginal" without actually addressing the quality of the music (which is quite high, in my opinion).
I must admit that if I don't like something (and I don't like IF at all) then I tend to dwell on the originality aspect. BUT you have a good point that good music is just good music regardless of whether its a 'copy' or not. For me IF is just too slow paced. I love Fred when he plays like Emerson with those fast keyboard runs most notably on Chronomotree. So as long as he's copying my favourites and doing his take on Tarkus rather than Tales Of Topographic Oceans then I'm happyTongue


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 06:14
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

GOD! You just can't accept that everybody don't share your opinions about music, can you? 

What I can't accept is the trolling.  Look, have you ever read UMUR's reviews?  I've never read anything negative from him.  He can write a 3 star review, and if you didn't look at the stars, you'd think he loved the album because he says nice things.  This is something I am striving to emulate now that I am writing reviews in return for receiving free promos.  I have not yet written a review under 3 stars, and if I got something that I thought I might want to dip to that level or below, I'd tell the guy who sends me the promos that I'm not sure I want to write that one, because I always want to be respectful.  But I don't think that's a sentiment most reviewers agree with - I think a lot of people think it's cool to be insulting, because other people who share their hatred of that music applaud them and tell them how funny they were.
 
You may be right, but then I think you should start by changing this one yourself, as i think some people might get hurt by the unfrindly tone against music they like LOL :
dtguitarfan : "Progressive Metal fans: don't make the same mistake I made! Don't waste your time on this one!" 
 
What im saying is, it makes no sence to have a page like this, if you are not allowed to dislike what you dislike, and love what you love.
It may hurt someones feelings, but its part of the game.
 


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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 07:33
I'd echo a few thoughts here.  Some people just tend to write off anything considered "derivative".  You'd think they only listen to albums that are 100% original (an impossibility?)  So yes, I think there is definitely an element of conceitand/or superiority.  I differ greatly here.  
 
I have no problem whatsoever with a band who's sound is influenced by another, as in the case of the last couple of albums by GH.  It's where that becomes outright plagiarism that I draw the line.  For me, GH are clearly not guilty on that point.   In any event I'd strongly recommend listening to Lex Rex which is in my top 20 albums of all time.  The Inconsolable Secret and Shadowlands are also excellent although even I have to say they were pretty close to the aforementioned line on the latter with Run Lisette LOL


Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 07:46
I try to rate bands on their own merit even if they sound like someone else.  The new group Headspace for example has some YES and Queensryche moments in their album I AM ANONYMOUS, but it is excellent.


Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 07:57

Some of their albums are rated around 4. I mean, they're about that good imo. Deserving of 3 to 4 stars. Just because a band you really enjoy doesn't have half their albums above 4 stars doesn't mean everyone hates them



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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 09:02
Every review and every rating is an opinion, plain and simple.  I agree though, that you can be negative and still be respectful.

I have tried hard with Glass Hammer, I really have.  Other than their most recent albums, I'd say they had a pretty original sound, even if their influences were often on their sleeve (Kansas, ELP, Yes).  I love Chronomotre, just a fun album with a wacky concept.  The rest though, I just don't find that any of it sticks with me.  I listen to it, and it seems to have everything I love about symphonic prog, but I can't remember a single melody, solo, or vocal after it's done.  So I guess the word there would be "bland" maybe, since they leave no impression on me at all.  I would never say any album of theirs is bad (well, except the first one, which I have) and they are obviously good musicians.  Honestly though, there is nothing I've heard that I could give more than 3 stars to.  Of course, I think we need to remember that 3 stars is still a "good" album, so their average is actually quite good, especially for a symph prog  band not from the 70's.


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 14:34
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I've never heard anything from them, but I must admit from reading all those reviews talking about how they sound like YES - doesn't exactly make me wet myself. I love YES, but when I want to hear YES, then I pop on Relayer. 

These people maybe wrong though, I know - but there's a good deal of writers whom I respect that mostly describe their music as being very close to the aforementioned band. 

On another note, many a bands featured here on PA have 'low' ratings according to other sites. One of my old favourites, Franco Battiato's debut album Fetus, had a rating below 3 before I reviewed it. Personally I found that to be verging on the offensive, and I don't even pay attention to ratingsLOL
Perhaps you should listen to a few - personally - My fave is Disc 1 of  The Incosolable Secret - Especially track 1 - The maker of crowns - Excellent stuff....Can be very like yes and is very keyboard oriented....
 


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 14:45
Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I've never heard anything from them, but I must admit from reading all those reviews talking about how they sound like YES - doesn't exactly make me wet myself. I love YES, but when I want to hear YES, then I pop on Relayer. 

These people maybe wrong though, I know - but there's a good deal of writers whom I respect that mostly describe their music as being very close to the aforementioned band. 

On another note, many a bands featured here on PA have 'low' ratings according to other sites. One of my old favourites, Franco Battiato's debut album Fetus, had a rating below 3 before I reviewed it. Personally I found that to be verging on the offensive, and I don't even pay attention to ratingsLOL
Perhaps you should listen to a few - personally - My fave is Disc 1 of  The Incosolable Secret - Especially track 1 - The maker of crowns - Excellent stuff....Can be very like yes and is very keyboard oriented....
 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 14:49
I blame Maxwell.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 14:53
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Some of their albums are rated around 4. I mean, they're about that good imo. Deserving of 3 to 4 stars. Just because a band you really enjoy doesn't have half their albums above 4 stars doesn't mean everyone hates them

That's just what I was trying to say earlier.  On paper, the PA community likes Glass Hammer.  Average ratings in the 3.5 -3.75 range are REALLY GOOD.  So not everyone likes them, and those people sometimes say so.  Big whoop.


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Posted By: aswas
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 15:18
I believe that many people are just not aware of the band Glass Hammer. They are celebrating their 20th Anniversary this year, and have recorded some incredible progressive rock music, over the years. The last 2 CD's "IF" and "Cor Cordium" moves them in a different direction, with the addition of "Jon Davison" as lead vocals.  So what if they sound a little like another band; that is a compliment. The music coming from the new CD's are excellent compositions in progressive rock, just like the CD's before them. They currently are working on a concept album entitled "Perilous." The point is, Glass Hammer is always searching for new avenues to venture down. Believe it, they are even getting better with age. The CD "Lex Rex" recorded years ago, was some of the best progressive rock music ever recorded, and there is much more to come. They chose to be a recording band, concentrating on the quality and engineering of excellent symphonic progressive rock music, in the studio, and that is exactly what GH has done, for the last 20 years.

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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: July 12 2012 at 23:48
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

I try to rate bands on their own merit even if they sound like someone else.

A legitimate approach; many people take the attitude that "we already have Yes (or any of these bands that heavily influence modern proggers), why do we need more copies when we can go listen to CttE or Relayer).  But you could also consider the scenario that if Yes had released ten more classic albums, you would be thrilled and listen to them constantly, so why should you be disappointed with ten albums that (to your ears) sound very similar to Yes?  (I don't know how many albums are in GH's discography, I just picked a nice random one).


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 13 2012 at 01:49
Originally posted by aswas aswas wrote:

I believe that many people are just not aware of the band Glass Hammer. They are celebrating their 20th Anniversary this year, and have recorded some incredible progressive rock music, over the years. The last 2 CD's "IF" and "Cor Cordium" moves them in a different direction, with the addition of "Jon Davison" as lead vocals.  So what if they sound a little like another band; that is a compliment. The music coming from the new CD's are excellent compositions in progressive rock, just like the CD's before them. They currently are working on a concept album entitled "Perilous." The point is, Glass Hammer is always searching for new avenues to venture down. Believe it, they are even getting better with age. The CD "Lex Rex" recorded years ago, was some of the best progressive rock music ever recorded, and there is much more to come. They chose to be a recording band, concentrating on the quality and engineering of excellent symphonic progressive rock music, in the studio, and that is exactly what GH has done, for the last 20 years.
 
great post . I will persevere with the recent stuff. I think we all get confused when we can't appreciate a certain album and then the integrity of the band seems under question. Glass Hammer are very mindful of the past history of symhonic prog but they are not a clone band thats for sure. However on a pure emotional level I do miss the lime up that included Matt Mendians and Susie B. The DVD's Live At Belmont and Lex Live are so much fun and I find it hard now to get that same sense of fun out of their music... and it bothers me quite frankly.


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: July 13 2012 at 03:06
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

I'd echo a few thoughts here.  Some people just tend to write off anything considered "derivative".  You'd think they only listen to albums that are 100% original (an impossibility?)  So yes, I think there is definitely an element of conceitand/or superiority.  I differ greatly here.  
 
I have no problem whatsoever with a band who's sound is influenced by another, as in the case of the last couple of albums by GH.  It's where that becomes outright plagiarism that I draw the line.  For me, GH are clearly not guilty on that point.   In any event I'd strongly recommend listening to Lex Rex which is in my top 20 albums of all time.  The Inconsolable Secret and Shadowlands are also excellent although even I have to say they were pretty close to the aforementioned line on the latter with Run Lisette LOL
All music has notes...so all music is basically derivative from the time when "graghish" the austrialopithicus decided to blow through the shell he/she found on the beach and in doing so for 25 minutes - created the first ever avant-garde prog/ math rock epic.......


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Posted By: aswas
Date Posted: July 13 2012 at 15:24
No way. I thought it was a great album. 3 Cheers is big departure from GH usual recordings, but they had something to say, and they said it, and performed it well. Susie was a big key, with her lead vocals on some of the tracks. But Steve was awesome on his bass, and analog synthesizer, and Fred got to play around not only with his keyboards, but with the guitar and drums throughout the CD. How much fun it would be to play something different for a change. It was a fresh sounding CD, with some downright depressing stories played very well; a story well told. And it rocked in many places also. You have to go back quite a few years to hear them playing the different instruments. Finally, like all GH CD's, the  recording.engineering,and mixing is second to none.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 15 2012 at 02:40
Originally posted by aswas aswas wrote:

No way. I thought it was a great album. 3 Cheers is big departure from GH usual recordings, but they had something to say, and they said it, and performed it well. Susie was a big key, with her lead vocals on some of the tracks. But Steve was awesome on his bass, and analog synthesizer, and Fred got to play around not only with his keyboards, but with the guitar and drums throughout the CD. How much fun it would be to play something different for a change. It was a fresh sounding CD, with some downright depressing stories played very well; a story well told. And it rocked in many places also. You have to go back quite a few years to hear them playing the different instruments. Finally, like all GH CD's, the  recording.engineering,and mixing is second to none.
After reading your comments I downloaded Three Cheers For The Broken Hearted. I'm mightily surprised by how good it is considering its average rating on PA (a miserable 2 stars). Actually I love it and would put it alongside Shadowlands and Lex Rex and a little below The Inconsolable Secret. As you say its very different and if anything a little more contemporary sounding. I thought that might have found favour around here but no. Perhaps its a case of them not delivering what is expected (ie slightly retro sounding prog) yet ironically its that retro thing that people moan about.


Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 08:45
I have noticed that pa members may rate albums on the level of progginess.  A good album that is less proggy may get the negativity hammer.  An example of this is The Decemberists latest album The King is Dead sporting a 2.9 rating.  I think it is an excellent album, easily as good as anything they have done.  However, it has no prog in it.  It is an alternative folk rock album.


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 14:39
I only have Culture Of Ascent and IF.
I find Culture to be an impressively well made album, while I'm listening to it I keep thinking "this is good" all along, but at the end of the day nothing sticks as really great inspired music.
 
I absolutely love IF no matter how Yes-ish it sounds, I find the compositions, arrangements and performance excellent.


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 16 2012 at 15:39
Probably because they play forgettable music...There are so many great bands that you don't need to bother with copycats or bands lacking identity.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 17 2012 at 11:22
They have 5 albums with an average rating of over 3.5 and 5 others rated over 3.  That doesn't sound like they got hammered.   They seem to be rated as a good band but not an amazing one.  That's probably a fair assessment based on whatever I have heard of them, though the fans would of course disagree.  


Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 07:16
Let me clarify that Glass Hammer are not close to being my favorite prog group.  I only have 5 of their albums and expect to buy their new one when it comes out.  I started this post because I thought their ratings were low compared to other groups.  At the very least, I expected Lex Rex to be over 4.00.


Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 09:13
From the little I've heard, and not all that recently, I'd say they were a standard Symph Prog band so not a style I like too much.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 14:13
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Let me clarify that Glass Hammer are not close to being my favorite prog group.  I only have 5 of their albums and expect to buy their new one when it comes out.  I started this post because I thought their ratings were low compared to other groups.  At the very least, I expected Lex Rex to be over 4.00.
 
I will attempt to address this simply:
 
Lex Rex, Shadowlands,Chronomotree and Culture Of Ascent all come under the category of safe symph style prog but nothing new to speak of. Its what I call 'retro prog' professionally done but not breaking any mould or treading new ground. Is their room for this kind of repeating of old or classic ideas? IMO yes there is but under the PA rating system to give any of these albums a 'masterpeice rating' of 5 is to totally ignore the idea of progressive rock. There must be some attempt to plough a new furrow at least and none of these albums do that. So I reckon a ceiling of 4 stars for these albums is correct.
 
I have given 5 stars to couple of their albums namely The Inconsolable Secret and Three Cheers For The Broke Hearted. My reasoning is that both albums see GH stepping out of their normal formula for at least a one side of music. The second disc of TIS is different to anything of heard before while TCFTBH is structurally and stylistically also different to anything else I've heard. So I believe these albums have a ceiling of 5 stars although of course that doesn't mean you have to like them (but I happen to do so)
 
The recent albums seem to be back to the retro thing but even more so.Therefore my reasoning is again that I don't see why they should be getting better rated than say ELP's - Brain Salad Surgery or Tarkus (checked the ratings and they are 4.01 and 4.07 respectively). So GH ratings are correct. You are still allowed to like and enjoy their music regardless of what I or anyone else thinks!Cool


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 14:55
Is it because this is a good place to get hammered?  Burrrp....

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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: July 18 2012 at 17:38
Glass Hammer are incredible. My job here is done.


Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: July 29 2012 at 21:51
I only have 'If' and 'Cor Cordium', but I enjoy them both quite a bit.  They feel like they should have been released as a double album, really.

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 29 2012 at 22:08
To dull out the dreariness of day to day living. Like everyone else.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 30 2012 at 01:19
that sounds very enigmaticErmm


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 30 2012 at 01:32
GH have a new "concept" CD coming out later in 2012, to be titled "Perilous."  I've already posted this elsewhere, but please check this out.  BTW, Jon Davison does the vocals and will be joining with GH for future tour plans!!  




Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: July 30 2012 at 22:20
^I'm liking that!  I'm guessing the intro or something along those lines.  Very atmospheric.

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Posted By: Progdaybay
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 08:29
A good topic !
I started buying 2000-prog albums with The Flower Kings and Glass Hammer, and my first GH-CD was Chronometree. Since I love keyboard music because I am a keyboardist, I got impressed by their music.
And of course they get too low scorings !! It is a shame.
 
But... I must say that I still consider the GH-voice to be Walter Moore. Too bad he is not there anymore. Their best production was when he was there, singing and playing. And it was huge in my ears.
It happens that I do personal compilations of the CD's I have, on the overall quality of music for a complete album (i.e. high scoring when all tracks are good), and believe it or not : GH has 2 CD's in my Top-5 of all-time ! This means concerning ANY prog album ! And they are : Inconsolable Secret (#5) and Lex Rex (#2). Get that ! A competition with ALL other CD's and bands !! Of course, Moore was the singer on these.
'Inconsolable' gets high emotions going, and 'Lex' is perfection.
I also like very much 'Arianna', 'Chronometree' and 'Compilations', which has the beauty 'Alkinoos'. 'Shadowlands' is more up and down, with the climax being the last.
 
They have low outings also : 'Culture of Ascent' is, in my view, impossible to understand, musically, the best track being the 'Yes' remake ! The last two are good productions, but I don't recognize GH enough in comparison to those cited above. I would give them something like 3.8 and 3.5 / 5. They remain very good interesting CD's to hear.
 
Since both CD's of GH I love most are concept albums : watch the next one ! It could be a very big thing, even if there are no epics.
 
So, Yeah ! When I see my #2 CD of all-time getting hammered, I am shocked. But I understand that it is a world open site, and everything is possible... unfortunately !


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 08:39
I think to many people on here they are TOO retro sounding, that they represent the `old' kind of 70's self-indulgent arrogant overblown prog - perhaps they do, but to many like me, that's exactly what we love about them! Their epic arrangements, virtuoso playing, big concepts, etc!

And I have to disagree - the `South Side Of The Sky' remake that opens `Culture' is far and away the worst thing on the album! It starts off very dark and interesting, quite different and original, then almost instantly falls into a straight remake, just with female vocals instead. A missed oppurtunity!

I don't think `Culture' is their best album, but tracks like `Sun Song' and `Life By Light' are incredible pieces! Wonderful lyrics/vocals, heartfelt singing, endless impressive instrumental passages, grand and inspiring arrangements! The heavier guitar helps give that album it's unique identity amongst their other albums.


Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 12:09
I have every GH album, including the new one. I happen to be listening to "Perilous" as I type. So far, it's not as good as my favorite of theirs, "The Inconsolable Secret," but it's really great. Maybe on par with "Lex Rex."

I personally would rate my favorite album of theirs with four stars (12/15 on my Gnosis ratings). I think the points made thus far are valid in terms of their safe style, etc., but I do think they have developed their own personality. What I wonder about is why bands like GH, Flower Kings, and other retrosymph bands have their passionate fans, but by and large miss out on the general praise heaped upon other retro bands like Haken. Is it the metal stylings of the latter? I don't know, but I certainly like GH and TFK better than those others, though in my book their best is still a ways away from the best of the 70s. 


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 12:27
I do think the `Yes-clone' criticisms of Glass Hammer have really kicked in since the arrival of Jon, not helped by the fact that at least with `If', the Hammer guys modeled their sound more on that classic band than ever. I'm not actually taking a shot at him or the band here, and I do think that `Cor Cordium' found more of it's own identity and was less `Yes' inspired than `If'.

I think if you look back at Chronomotree, Lex, Shadowlands, Inconsolable..., etc, they generally had a broader symphonic 70's sound as opposed to just influenced by the one band. Trying to merge their grand sound with all sorts of elements of their beloved favourite bands.

I was listening to `Culture Of Ascent' just an hour ago, and I thought they really went all out trying to find new directions, with very complex and experimental incorporation of orchestral elements, heavier guitar and a darker mood.

OK, I'm rambling now!


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: October 25 2012 at 12:45
I was uber-impressed with that little snippet - this is one I shall buy - but it's very alike loads and loads of other ambient prog intros - somebody will cry......and that cry will wash upon the ears of "the Knowers" and it will be as the cry of the demonic Djins - to be left to echo for all of eternity...reafirming the ignorance of the masses.....

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 26 2012 at 01:38
Originally posted by Progdaybay Progdaybay wrote:

A good topic !
I started buying 2000-prog albums with The Flower Kings and Glass Hammer, and my first GH-CD was Chronometree. Since I love keyboard music because I am a keyboardist, I got impressed by their music.
And of course they get too low scorings !! It is a shame.
 
But... I must say that I still consider the GH-voice to be Walter Moore. Too bad he is not there anymore. Their best production was when he was there, singing and playing. And it was huge in my ears.
It happens that I do personal compilations of the CD's I have, on the overall quality of music for a complete album (i.e. high scoring when all tracks are good), and believe it or not : GH has 2 CD's in my Top-5 of all-time ! This means concerning ANY prog album ! And they are : Inconsolable Secret (#5) and Lex Rex (#2). Get that ! A competition with ALL other CD's and bands !! Of course, Moore was the singer on these.
'Inconsolable' gets high emotions going, and 'Lex' is perfection.
I also like very much 'Arianna', 'Chronometree' and 'Compilations', which has the beauty 'Alkinoos'. 'Shadowlands' is more up and down, with the climax being the last.
 
They have low outings also : 'Culture of Ascent' is, in my view, impossible to understand, musically, the best track being the 'Yes' remake ! The last two are good productions, but I don't recognize GH enough in comparison to those cited above. I would give them something like 3.8 and 3.5 / 5. They remain very good interesting CD's to hear.
 
Since both CD's of GH I love most are concept albums : watch the next one ! It could be a very big thing, even if there are no epics.
 
So, Yeah ! When I see my #2 CD of all-time getting hammered, I am shocked. But I understand that it is a world open site, and everything is possible... unfortunately !
Lex Rex probably gets low marks because of the very unfortunate attempts to do a English accent in between the tunes (the narative). Musically its great though. Tales Of The Great Wars is probably my favourite modern symphonic prog track and stands up against the best symph prog imo.
 
The Inconsolable Secret is a tricky album. When I first heard it I dodn't like it all that much. Seemed some of the warmth and magic of the earlier albums had gone missing and overall far too long and stretched out. Now I feel very different about it. Solid gold masterpeice! I just needed time to appreciate it. I did look at some of the other reviews though and it seems that many just didn't like the unconventional structure of the music rather than lack of good content. Its probably running at half a star less than it should be on its current average rating. Shame really.


Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 21:07
Just got Perilous today and been through 1 spin and is a solid release (based on 1 spin).  As with most GH album's, they take multiple listens and they usually grow upwards in approval.  Davison's vocals are stellar and usual excellent musicianship.  There is a little different feel to this as each song flows into the other in a concept format.
 
I must mention that when I was deciding on which LP to purchase today, I took a sample listen to "Three Cheers for the Broken Hearted" and just from the sample listens, it has a total different feel to it than most GH albums, a little darker and heavier with great female vocals.  That may be my next purchase by them instead of "If" or something from early on.
 
To stay on the theme of the thread, I find that both GH and Flower Kings to usually get those 3 to 4 ratings overall, but never seem to reach that "masterpiece" or 4 to 5 rating debates (for the most part).


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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 21:18
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

...Glass Hammer often gets tagged as a Yes clone...
That's really interesting, because their use of the classic Hammond organ sound gives it more of that ELP sound than a Yes sound to me.  Of course, I am gauging "Yes sound" by the Wakeman era (1971-1973, 1977, etc.) because of his copious use of synthesizers and the Mander pipe organ...


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 28 2012 at 03:51
I decided to download Cor Cordium yesterday while also placing an order for Perilious. Surprisingly very enjoyable as I didn't like IF at all. I was expecting a clone of IF but Cor Cordium is much more to my ears. Its does often sound like Yes ineveitably given the vocals but I can detect wider influences coming from Gentle Giant and even Supertramp. The music really breathes and I get that nice feeling of warmth from the music I didn't get with IF. Nice one and looking forward even more to Perilious now!


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 28 2012 at 04:08
Richard, I definately think `Cor Cordium' has a much wider range of infleunces than the tired `Yes' clones dismissal!

Looking foward to the newie, guys!

I'm thinking of launching into a review spree of all the albums/DVD's I have of this band. There's one or two gaps with some earlier titles I don't have, but I'll be tracking down copies of those soon enough too!


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: October 28 2012 at 22:38
I just received my CD of "Perilous" today....It's much better than the last three Yes albums for sure!  I hear many influences (UK for one) and believe that PA fans will enjoy it.  Jon Davison is just fantastic!


Posted By: dennismoore
Date Posted: October 29 2012 at 22:02
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ISurprisingly very enjoyable as I didn't like IF at all. I was expecting a clone of IF... 


Heresy.  Plain & simple.Angry

IF is awesome, except for the preachiness, but the tunes rock!

May I suggest you go back and give it another listening?  You are quite obviously doing something wrong.Wink

OK, seriously....

For me, I went bannanas over IF.  Cor Cordium or cordoba or conundrum or whatever doesn't work for me at all, just notes, no feeling, I did like the song Nothing Box, though, quite a bit. Plus I hate people who try to give me Latin lessons! Speak English! I say!  It was good enough for Henry VIII and Roye Albrighton & Elton John....Big smile

You are from England....think of all the bloodshed and lives that would have been spared over the centuries if those arrogant French people, just spoke English???   Think about it.

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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: October 30 2012 at 07:39
Aye but unfortunately - a helluva lot of English is based on Latin and some of my favourite words are Latin too - I'll leave you to guess what those are!!!

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 30 2012 at 12:52
Originally posted by javajeff javajeff wrote:

Glass Hammer has a few albums that should be rated over 4.00, but they are lower at PA.  Compare their top four  albums to anything on the 2011 top 100, and their albums are rated low.  Their highest is a 3.75.  They make solid prog.  Why don't they get higher ratings from the PA audience?  Do they sound too much like other groups?
 
Why? Because the currently active members on progarchives don't represent the prog mainstream at all - most are RIO/avant and post rock fanatics. Wierd and tuneless is great, melody is for old farts. Almost all the symphonic lovers I know who used to be on here have left in frustration at being ridiculed for liking 70s music (senile old coot, one member referred to me as, but luckily I give not a pig's burp for his opinion so I stayed). I do like a lot of modern music though and Glass Hammer are very good. Unfortunately, as you allude to in your final sentence, like IQ, Marillion and Mostly Autumn, allegations of near plagiarism of earlier great bands dog them; some do not understand the difference between "influenced by" and "copying".
 
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 30 2012 at 13:03
I think it's sometimes looked down upon to love a band that is considered merely a cliched product of their influences, but I find Glass Hammer are frequently adding their own touches, pushing themselves, experimenting. There's actually a lot of different touches throughout all their albums. Usually they're not in the same place as they were a few albums back.

To be honest, I actually think G.Hammer kind of give a big two raised middle fingers to the haters, as they put out albums so appreciated by symphonic fans that are full of real `F.you' prog - defiantly, gloriously and proudly PROG!


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 30 2012 at 15:40
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

ISurprisingly very enjoyable as I didn't like IF at all. I was expecting a clone of IF... 


Heresy.  Plain & simple.Angry

IF is awesome, except for the preachiness, but the tunes rock!

May I suggest you go back and give it another listening?  You are quite obviously doing something wrong.Wink

OK, seriously....

For me, I went bannanas over IF.  Cor Cordium or cordoba or conundrum or whatever doesn't work for me at all, just notes, no feeling, I did like the song Nothing Box, though, quite a bit. Plus I hate people who try to give me Latin lessons! Speak English! I say!  It was good enough for Henry VIII and Roye Albrighton & Elton John....Big smile

You are from England....think of all the bloodshed and lives that would have been spared over the centuries if those arrogant French people, just spoke English???   Think about it.

Who needs Latin???Confused    Who needs the Peace Corps???



I will persevere with IF for sure , I must be missing somethingConfused
 
Cor Cordium is beautifull. 60 minutes that flies past not a wasted moment and on my third listen I'm now thinking this could be my favourite symph prog album of the last 10 years or so.
 
(and not touching the comment about the French , suffice to say that one of my favourite TV programmes of all time is Sharpe. Over the hills and far away....)Smile
 
 
 
 


Posted By: dtguitarfan
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 05:44
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Why? Because the currently active members on progarchives don't represent the prog mainstream at all - most are RIO/avant and post rock fanatics. Wierd and tuneless is great, melody is for old farts.

Quoted for truth.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 06:36
Glass Hammer are great but do not get the recognition as not as popular. The lead singer I saw in the recent Yes concert in Melbourne and he was absolutely incredible. His voice was great with Yes. I think its unfair to call GH Yes clones though as they have their own style, especially on the IF album.

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 06:48
I was there with you, Scott, and I can only support Jon as well!

I think he's given Glass Hammer a bit of a stable lead-vocalist slot, which can only be a good thing! These last three albums will be easily associated as the `Jon' albums, as opposed to the frequently revolving vocalists through the course of their prior albums.

I'll admit I do miss the naivety and daggy innocence of Fred and Steve's lead vocals. Even if they weren't the most charismatic of lead vocalists, they still had a lot of character and distictive personality. Their vocal arrangements were always quite impressive too.


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: October 31 2012 at 07:11
Well said ABB, and I remember meeting you there at the concert! ........such a great night

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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: November 03 2012 at 20:43
^^^ Also saw Jon with Yes this summer here in the states, perfect.  I have now given "Perilous" a number of spins and to me, I put it on par with "Lex Rex", but in a differnt way since Jon is on vocals and the writing seems more intracate.  I don't have "If" yet, so I can't compare to that, but I do like it better than "Cor Cordium".

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 04 2012 at 07:18
I am going to try and get round to reviewing some Glass Hammer as they deserve more recognition than what they are currently getting. 

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 04 2012 at 12:38
I've done a bit of an about face on If now and edited my review of 2 years ago and upgraded it to 4 stars. I still prefer Cor Cordium thoughSmile


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 06 2012 at 14:22
OK, so FINALLY my copy of the newie `Perilous' has arrived (I've been trying to keep my impatience waiting for it at bay by launching into reviewing all their previous albums to distract me! ).

On first listen, although the music is more complex and varied than ever before, I cannot believe how much they've made Jon sing like Anderson from Yes. I mean, this time he sings EXACTLY like Jon Anderson - ALL THE TIME. It was clearly done from the perspective of latching onto the exposure that Jon's work with Yes has brought the Hammer boys, but at least on most of `Cor Cordium', and particularly with tracks like `Dear Daddie', Jon was starting to find his own voice.

To be honest, this aspect is a bit of a shock, and kind of...depressing? My gut reaction when hearing it is kind of....a wasted opportunity? The last thing G.Hammer needs is MORE Yes associations...

It probably makes sense, this decision they made, to impress Yes fans that might be new to the band, but it's a bit of a cop out.

Luckily the music itself sounds very promising....I'll report back soon!


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 01:54
I received it yesterday and have had just one listen.
 
A few thoughts - the only thing that sounds like Yes is the vocals. The music is beautifully cohesive which surprised me given all the parts. There are some lovely 'different' sections which breaks it up and makes it way more enjoyable than 'If' (imo). Fred plays a lot of organ in the style of Eddie Jobson (UK Danger Money era) with a nod towards ELP on odd occasions. This feels a lot more like an album based firmly on keyboards. Not sure the guitar gets so much attention as perhaps the previous two albums but need more listens to be sure.
 
Most importantly I love it on first listen. Plenty of goosebumps and I have that nice warm fuzzy feeling that I need to get from GH. This and Cor Cordium may well establish GH at the top of the tree of modern symhonic prog bands.
 
PS Is there any chance whatsoever they could tour Europe or more specifially the UK? I really need to see this band.


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 02:26
Richard, I think in the end you'll have more luck in Europe/the UK to get to see Glass Hammer....down here in Australia....well, we're not exactly the prog capital of the world!

Yep, so far `Perilous' sounds so complex and carefully composed with darkly classical and epic arrangements, it's going to take a lot of listens to appreciate properly - challenge accepted!

I was kind of stunned when I first hit play by the quality and depth - even though I was really taken back by the overt `Anderson's' in the vocal delivery!


Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 06:28
I have just Listened to Lex Rex a couple of times and that is a CD that has grown on me since I last listened to it - Excellent synth swirling arpegios and some nice guitar also - also some good hammond work - you can definately pick out some tales from topographic oceans moments and a bit of genesis also - but nothing too plagiaristic - the English music hall intro's are not needed I think - but I may have to go back and re-visit my review....
I shall now buy Cor Cordium and the latest I think.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 07 2012 at 14:34
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Richard, I think in the end you'll have more luck in Europe/the UK to get to see Glass Hammer....down here in Australia....well, we're not exactly the prog capital of the world!

Yep, so far `Perilous' sounds so complex and carefully composed with darkly classical and epic arrangements, it's going to take a lot of listens to appreciate properly - challenge accepted!

I was kind of stunned when I first hit play by the quality and depth - even though I was really taken back by the overt `Anderson's' in the vocal delivery!
 
Well at least you have gorgeous weather , beaches etc as a consolation.Smile
 
The Anderson style is very strong but they manage to avoid sounding too much like Yes most of the time. I love the atmosphere on this album. Its quite modern and sleek but also nods to the past without being a copy. Fred is just amazing on the keyboards and as you say there is a density and complexity to the whole thing which is very impressive. I just hope it doesn't get written off as another Yes soundalike retro album as patently it is not that.



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