Pussy Riot Sentenced To 2 years In Prison
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Topic: Pussy Riot Sentenced To 2 years In Prison
Posted By: Pastor Rex Cat
Subject: Pussy Riot Sentenced To 2 years In Prison
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 16:42
Pussy Riot Sentenced To 2 years In Prison For 'Hooliganism'------------- http://revbookburn.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/rexcat http://www.myspace.com/prxcat Greetings! And Welcome to The Global Internet Church of Prog! Hail the Prog and Praise "Bob"! |
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 16:46
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I heard this story, but it was on yahoo (where the facts often get tinkered with) and I don't know all the details, so I can't say whether the Russian government is repressing free speech or not. Two years seems a bit much for "hooliganism" though. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 16:58
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talk about late news. Didn't everyone hear thius yesteday? Anyway I agree it is apalling. USSR or Russia two sides of a bad coin
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:00
Watch the blinking news then or read it on a news site.
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Ambient Hurricanes wrote:Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:02
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What did you expect from a country lead by an ex-KGB spy ? And don't forget thatthis country has a very heavy communist past. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:04
They wouldn't have cared about blasphemy though, but that maybe a smokescreen anyway. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:12
Stalin starved people in Ukraine. In consequence, they had to eat their own children to stay alive.
From 1917 to 1980, the communist party is responsible for 120 milion deaths.
I hate when people living in "western"countries talk about how life was good in countries with communist government. My parents left Poland during the Jaruzelski years, mainly because my father was jailed for having given his opinion on the government's politics (yes, freedom of speech was banned).
And I hate even more people who wear T-shirts or other goods bearing the face of the terrorist Che Guevera (a physician who kills people, isn't that inconsistent ?). ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:14
Sorry if my opinion offends you. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Pastor Rex Cat
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:15
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Paul McCartney and Madonna among others in the music world are demanding their release from prison. And now it's Sting joining in as well. http://freepussyriot.org/" rel="nofollow - http://freepussyriot.org/ ------------- http://revbookburn.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/rexcat http://www.myspace.com/prxcat Greetings! And Welcome to The Global Internet Church of Prog! Hail the Prog and Praise "Bob"! |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:17
you offended the memory of 120 million people. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:17
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^That's ok then. I can live with that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:21
where were they when Bachar el Assad murdered (and continues to murder) his citizens ? ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Pastor Rex Cat
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:29
Honestly, I've never heard of Bachar al-Assad until you mentioned him. ------------- http://revbookburn.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/rexcat http://www.myspace.com/prxcat Greetings! And Welcome to The Global Internet Church of Prog! Hail the Prog and Praise "Bob"! |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:42
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^Most of today's musical businessmen/women as you mentioned supported the "red" governments (understand communism) and now they protest against the decision taken in a country conducted by people who previously had key functions in the communist USSR. these personalities have a short memory or they are there only to show people that they are still present and their "good actions" will therefore increase their album sales
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:43
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Oh goody. Another thread on the internet where totalitarianism and communism are used interchangeably.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 17:47
did you live in a communist country ? Is life better in such country ?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 18:29
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cute girls -- and BTW I thought totalitarianism was a method, not a politik |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 20:13
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Russia! Tisk, tisk, tisk. I am disappointed.
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 21:47
Not a fact if its your opinion is it. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 23:18
I should google and see if any of them have ever worn a murderer-Che shirt.... ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 18 2012 at 23:19
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 01:46
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So that's what Pussy Riot is. Hmm...I somehow care about it less now. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 03:43
I'm not sure to see the relationship between that Pussy Riot case and the Che Guevara fashion...  Anyway, if we could focus on the sole Pussy Riot turmoil, maybe things could be a bit clearer for everyone. Oh, and may Bachar El-Assad live long. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 04:05
I agree, I'm not sure why people are trying to turn this into a debate about how some stars might have worn Che ts in the past or not voiced opinions about other Dictators. I guess they should keep their noses out of this then.
One relationship between this case and Che Guevara Ts is that one of the Pussy Riot girls was wearing a 'No Pasaran' T Shirt at the trial. It seemed rather odd that she was allowed to do this! (No direct relationship between No Pasaran and Che though, just that they were both political Ts).
Anyway, whatever they did 2 years is excessive, apparently Putin is a Beatles fan so he might turn it round to make himself look the hero but I guess it depends how it plays at home.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 04:30
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Excessive, excessive... Maybe invading a church and disturbing a mess isn't exactly being polite, but it's rather tame compared to 60/70's Actionnism (google it at your own risks!), even if they claimed to be influenced by this movement. Oh, by the way, from what I read, Peter Hammill, Peter Gabriel and Genesis support them. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 04:36
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Well, when Danone changed the brand name of BIO yoghurt to Activia, they used to repeat in their commercials : "nothing changed apart from the brand name". You could apply this to Russia : you change the name of the country, you give independency to some republics that were appended to the country, but the institutions remain the same and leaders are ex-communists or their sons. So, I repeat : what did you expect from a country lead by an ex-KGB spy ?As with China, nothing can surprise me coming from Russia. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 04:51
I mean, everyone knows that Russia is a repressive country, we are not born yesterday, so why don't we dare look at other countries that seem repressive to their citizens only. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 05:03
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^Because Russia is supposed to be "free" now obviously ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 05:50
He's standing behind you isn't he? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 05:54
I'm sure you are right that if they had done this in Cuba they would have got life. Equally in other countries they would have just 'disapeared' ,and just playing music of any type would have got them in this situation.
Russia gets the press exactly for the reason Snow Dog states and because of the power Putin wields outside Russia (as well as inside). What influence does Cuba have?
I know that maybe these pop stars could say something about other dictatorships. However, I think they usually get sl*g.ed off whatever! Either for not talking about politics or for talking about politics. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 09:25
Jesus, are you people thick or what? Here's the relation Che has with this whole thing: 1 - retarded people think he was a freedom fighter 2 - said people usually idolize him and have all kind of memorabilia with his face on 3 - wearing a shirt with his face on is considered kewl because his cause was "noble" 4 - he fought against capitalism and its excesses (consumism included) 5 - he was against freedom of expression 6 - he was a racist towards black people (after he returned from his gerrilla time in Africa) 7 - he supported and was supported by totalitarian socialist regimes 8 - people use Che as a toke, a symbol in order to fight oppressive regimes of all sorts It's a paradox, an oxymoron. I can't believe you guys are actually this oblivious. -------------   
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 09:34
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also the chess grandmaster player Gary Kasparov is arested while protesting the arrest of the Pussy Riot,
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 11:07
So, you mean that the Pussy Riot members are supported by the totalitarian socialist regime (especially Cuba) and are racist? I'm more and more confused by the evolution of this thread. Or maybe I'm wrong in this story and I should consider supporting Poutine because this former KGB agent, supported by the Russian Church and nostalgics of totalitarian communist USSR, had been insulted by a bunch of pro-Guevara socialist punks... or something |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 11:50
I think that's more or less what our friend CCVP is trying to say in his guide by numbers for simpletons. So, people who support Pussy Riot are retarded (Gary Kasparov et al). They only support PR cos its 'kewl'. and their cause is concidered 'noble' but (ho ho) its not really.
They like Che are fighting against 'consumism'. And they don't really like freedom of expression even though they pretend to. Pussy Riot are racists since their time spent in Africa. They are oxymorons
Is that clear?
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 12:07
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Pussy Riot is in no way Che Guevara, in fact are rather different entities in many ways, is that clear?
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 12:27
If your comment is aimed at my post. I appologise for not making the sarcastic nature of my post more obvious. The nature of which was aimed at CCVP for being so rude.  I will obviously have to try harder ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 13:01
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Oh the irony the irony
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/19/pussy-riot-protesters-arrested-marseille" rel="nofollow - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/19/pussy-riot-protesters-arrested-marseille
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:14
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by the way, since this thread is in "general music", who likes Pussy Riot and who was acquainted with their music before they went "famous" ? ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:25
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^No one. Which leads us to another question: who listens to any Russian rock band, anyway? I don't want to sound ruder than usual, but even Jamaican or African metal bands have more press than Russian metal bands... That must mean something. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:25
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:29
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:34
T.A.T.U., Pussy Riot... There must be a missing link. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 14:44
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 15:06
We have bands in the US who should be imprisoned for crimes against music. With a name like "Pussy Riot", I can only imagine their crimes against music are numerous. 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 15:07
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^From what I heard on the video of their "punk prayer", they just sound like typical Riot Grrrl punk-rock. Nothing new on a musical point of view. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 18:14
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Russia is run by strong-arm thugs, a corrupt orthodox church, and its mafia. And apparently we're supposed to be their allies. What a joke. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 20:24
You missed the point completely. I was trying to explain the relation between Lucas' reference to Che Guevara, but you apparently refuse to understand. It's not that you can't understand, you REFUSE to understand the point; or you simply don't want to.
True. I've heard that the Russian Orthodox Church is supposedly one of the most corrupt "traditional" religions around, even though it's not nearly as corrupt as born-again congregations/organizations/televangelists that call themselves "churches". But in any way, their profanation would be considered a crime in most western countries. The thing is that they did it in an Russian Orthodox Church (a religion that over 70 years of state atheism and anti-religion couldn't kill) in the biggest and most sacred cathedral of Moscow (if I recall correctly the place they did their protest) against Vladimir Putin, the unofficial dictator of Rashka. -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 16:05
Sense of humor doesn't exist in America.
Well, it would depend if it would be considered as profanation. I'm not sure, but I think that the French law would only speak of "disturbance of civic peace". But, hey, it's France: we only talk of profanation when the church/synagogue/mosque is trashed, burnt, attacked and all that jazz. Oh, and we're talking about profanation, it's when we experience the horror and shock of discovering opened tombs, jewish or muslim cemetaries painted with racist insults or nazi symbols. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 22:36
Maybe I did not used the most appropriate technical terminology, but the thing is, entering in a religious temple and openly and publicly doing what they did there is, usually some sort of crime exist related to that behavior. If memory serves me well, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal have crimes regarding such actions. And don't France have anything regarding that criminally? I find it hard to believe, since, as far as I know, it is strictly prohibited to have any religious manifestation in public in France, so the only sensible thing would be to protect religious freedom equally prohibiting such acts. Quite strange IMO. -------------
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Posted By: IMPF
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 22:53
>I don't want to sound ruder than usual, but even Jamaican or African metal bands have more press than Russian metal bands... That must mean something. >Jamaican or African metal bands have more press than Russian metal bands >Jamaican or African metal bands have more press >Jamaican or African metal bands 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 21 2012 at 14:26
Yes, Germany, Italy, Spain and Portugal... And I guess that Ireland, United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Austria, etc... also have laws regarding these kind of acts. But the State and the Church are not strictly seperated as in France. About France and religious manifestations in public... You should precise what you mean, because the Catholics still can do processions for the 15 of August, for example; the Muslims can celebrate the various Aïds; the Jews can go out with masks for Pourim, etc... Of course, the French law would protect religious freedom (as long as the said religion doesn't violate the law) in the name of the fight against discrimination. But invading a church wouldn't be qualified as "profanation" or "blaspheme" (except in Alsace-Lorraine and Guyana) or even hate crime as long as these acts are not motivated... by hate. If the Pussy Riot case happened in France, their members would have been accused of disturbance of civic order. They would have spent a few hours in the next cell, but they wouldn't have condemned to 2 years of imprisonment! Maybe a bill to pay... |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 21 2012 at 17:00
Russia has some nice metal bands : Эпидемия (Epidemiya) АрктидА (Arktida) Ария (Aria) Черный Кофе (czerny kofe = black coffee) Kипелов (Kipelov) Scrambled Defuncts Mechanical Poet (in PA) Hieronymus Bosch ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |