What the difference between Prog and psychedelic
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Topic: What the difference between Prog and psychedelic
Posted By: Cloud Forest
Subject: What the difference between Prog and psychedelic
Date Posted: August 19 2012 at 16:41
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Can any of you give me a hand,when listening to prog and psychedelic i cant find any big differences between this genres of music? -------------  |
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Posted By: sambrad07
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 10:13
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Very simple : Psychedelic rock it's the same, that was before, but solos are longer, and more selfless. Music is very expressive.Prog is differ from psychedelia. It took many things from classical music, traditional music, ethnic and jazz. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 10:22
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More selfless? What are you talking about? There is a lot of overlap between prog and psychedelia, but the two terms have different meanings Not all prog music is psychedelic and not all psychedelia is prog. Prog tends to connote a certain degree of complexity and innovation in the music. Odd time signatures, long songs that are not simply extended jams and the influence of non-rock music. Psychedelia is mainly about an atmosphere or feeling in the music, specifically "trippyness." Lots of reverb, flanging and phasing effects complete with drawn out instrumental sections and abstract lyrics can contribute to this. To see the difference, look at a band like Cream. Tales of Brave Ulysses is a very psychedelic song, but there's nothing prog about it. Then look at Rush. La Villa Strangiato is very prog, but not at all psychedelic. Then you have bands like Pink Floyd with feet planted firmly in both camps.. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 20 2012 at 14:16
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"Prog" in itself is the vast collection of the many sub-genres you can find in PA, and rivers of ink have been spent arguing about its definiton (needless to say without consensus).
Psychedelic is just one of Prog's subgenres, that music focussing on trippy atmospheres, dreamy and ethereal sound effects, often not too complex in terms of composition, structure and arrangements but which can keep itself busy for many minutes of hypnotic rythms and spacy improvisational soloings, ideal for listening to stoned.
Asking "what's the difference between Prog and Psychedelic" is like asking what's the difference between religion and catholicism.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 21 2012 at 13:46
I don't agree with you. Psych can be prog,and prog can be psych but one is not a subset of the other. A Venn diagram would be helpful. -------------
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Gerinski wrote:Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 21 2012 at 14:39
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Well actually I thought about it myself after having posted but I was lazy to edit.
Psychedelic music predated Prog so for sure it can not be considered as a subset of Prog, only a subset of Psychedelic music can be called Psychedelic Prog.
Early Psychedelic (or later Psychedelic which followed on the same early principles) was not yet Prog, just trippy Pop-Rock.
I wrote my post thinking specifically about Pychedelic Prog, not Psychedelic music in general.
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: August 21 2012 at 15:46
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The spelling! ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: JellySucker
Date Posted: November 12 2013 at 23:51
| For me, Psychedelic Rock was the root for Prog, it kind of influenced how things worked on Prog music such as the composition, melodies, etc |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: November 13 2013 at 00:10
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 09:27
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Obviously you won't hear how Psychedelic music influenced Prog by choosing just any Psychedelic album at random or recommended to you because of the artist's popularity in the mad times. Ozric Tentacles were influenced by Hawkwind, Gong, and Steve Hillage. Hawkwind and Gong...Daevid Allen were influenced by Syd Barrett to a degree and Syd Barrett was influenced by American Psychedelic bands like The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, and whoknows what else? The Doors used a backdrop of screaming voices in Hell, a strange swirly harpsichord key setting...to back Morrison's poetry in "Horse Latitudes". Very Pink Floyd. Jefferson Airplane recorded a song titled "Lather" on the Crown of Creation album and it not only sounded like a Syd Barrett song, but it contained a style of mixing sound effects between lyrical content ..just as you would hear on a Floyd track like "Juila Dream" (Roger Waters). The influence of Psychedelic is more evident in "Space Rock" or "Krautrock".
Bands like Yes, Genesis, and King Crimson are less Psychedelic regarding tones, time signatures, remain more in a Classical vain, covering up their small usage of sound effects ..although their attempt to change the speed of voices on tape, some usage of strings..for example on Yes' "The Prophet" is still more in a Moody Blues style if anything and all derives from the British Psychedelic genre more than the American. If any British musician took an influence from American Psychedelic, it was changed around and crafted to sound differently and it is hard to indicate. Jon Anderson often said that he was influenced by Simon & Garfunkel. Some people have a difficult time digesting this. Simon and Garfunkel recorded a more darker Folk style ..lyrically and musicially. Lyrically..the songs were about death and misfortune. Musically they were in dark minor keys with odd open string tunings or usage of capos. Yes have more of thAT American Folk influence than pure American Psychedelic fuzz tone guitar with Vanilla Fudge organ. The details are there to see...it just takes a little focus and patience.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:09
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Psychedelic music originated in the sixties and spawned the prog subgenres of krautrock and spacerock. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:22
| Weird lyrics about bikes and a wah-wah pedal. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 10:43
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What an odd question. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 11:22
Psychedelic is  +  +  ..And Prog is everything else, including the kitchen sink. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:17
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i want a kitchen sink :( -------------  
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:21
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 13:29
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i def need one of those. -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 14:33
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In Turn on Your Mind, a book about psychedelic music's history that I'm reading right now, the author (his name is Jim Derogatis) pins the difference on the amount of influence from classical music. Basically, progressive rock has to have classical influence in how the songs are constructed but the psychedelic doesn't necessarily. He's somewhat inconsistent about how to apply those definitions, though. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 14:53
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and then came Sabbath and changed things even more, -------------
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 14 2013 at 15:23
People think of Simon & Garfunkel and only consider the massive hits but there was a lot more there. Their 1968 album "Bookends" is very prog to my ears. It begins with a solo guitar piece (like Crimso's Poseidon album) includes one of the first appearances on album of the Moog modular synth (patched by Bob Moog himself!), the song "America" which Yes of course covered, bizarre interviews with old people (very similar to the Godspeed You Black Emporer song "Sleep - They Don't Sleep on the Beach Anymore"), and closes side 1 with a restatement of the opening solo guitar piece (like Crimso repeating variations of "Peace" throughout the Poseidon album). Side 2 has some odd pieces along with the mega-hit Mrs Robinson. S&G are a lot more musically interesting than history has painted them out to be. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 15 2013 at 22:47
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Psychedelic
Progressive
Same guitarist btw..........
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 15 2013 at 23:16
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Psychedelic music is music that attempts to musically recreate and/or resembles the effects of a drug trip, usually through psychedelics such as LSD or Shrooms, but sometimes other drugs, such as Marijuana. This is usually done through making odd, non-musical noises, backwards recordings, playing and singing in a very relaxed style, playing and singing in a hypnotic fashion, etc, all in a rock context. Surreal, cryptic, and sometimes mystical lyrics are often included, as well. Progressive rock is a fairly broad genre, but it's generally music that takes musical attributes normally not in rock and puts it in a rock context, such as odd time signatures, non-traditional chord progressions, long running times, etc. It also often has grand, often philosophical lyrics and has been home to many a concept album. I think they're pretty easy to tell apart. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 03:11
Psychedelic
Progressive
Same band
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 09:40
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^but different time ;-) Psychedelic was raging in the second part of the sixties, prog-rock was raging in the seventies... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 16 2013 at 10:38
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^ and again in the 80s
What are peoples' thoughts on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-psychedelia" rel="nofollow - Neo-Psychedelia ?
It is one genre that we rarely mention here, mainly I guess because it was never a stand-alone subgenre as such with all the bands that were/are tagged as being neo-psychedelic were associated more with established subgenres such as post-punk, dream pop/shoe-gazing, baroque pop, etc. Obviously bands like XTC made a specific point of distinguishing their "day jobs" from their psych excursions as The Dukes of The Stratosphere, while others (such as Kula Shaker and World of Twist) wore their influences proudly and unashamedly. Even Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure and The Mission dipped a gothic toe in the psych pool.
Porcupine Tree began as a neo-psych band with Tarquin's Seaweed Farm, Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape and On The Sunday of Life before moving on to more progressive pastures, but very few other neo-psych bands made that transition. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 17 2013 at 03:37
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I think you can call those artists psychedelic with a small p but not a big one, if you catch my drift.
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