Rating the Classics - Tangerine Dream - Zeit
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Topic: Rating the Classics - Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Rating the Classics - Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 15:07
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6343" rel="nofollow">
3.58 | 158 ratings
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6343" rel="nofollow - Zeit 'Largo In 4 Movements' 1972 This zeit (time), I'm doing Zeit. Another album that people are quite divided on, which rating comes closest to your feelings. Here are some excerpts of the reviews of the album at Prog Archives. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=1029" rel="nofollow - Proghead PROG REVIEWER 
Unbelievable stuff. This is truly an album that divides the listeners big time. Some call it
genius, others call it a big piece of crap. Giving the ratings I gave it, I'm obviously with the
former....
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=325" rel="nofollow - Sean Trane
COLLABORATOR Prog Folk 
...nowadays , I never can listen to this more than one "song" at a time. What makes this
music really difficult is that there is absolutely nobeat/rythm tracks to hook you. This music
is even tougher than the studio side of UmmaGumma. In the genre , there has been much
better.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7643" rel="nofollow - bob x
A dark a brooding piece of work that would seem more at home in a industrial or cold wave
catagory. But,this is TANGERINE DREAM to be sure!....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=636" rel="nofollow - greenback SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Neo-Prog Specialist 
What a shame!
The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that
turns back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of
threatening killer bees!....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=2290" rel="nofollow - memowakeman SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Honorary Collaborator
I am giving it 3 stars, because i like it, i think is a very good album,
but at the same time i think is not comparable as many other Tangerine
Dream albums, i mean TD has a huge discography which has been losing
it`s essence of progressive electronic sound during the years, the 90`s
or 00`s albums that i know are not so good as the 70`s jewels....
infandous@exc
...certainly this is a difficult album for the newbie, and I would never recommend it to
anyone as an introduction to TD (for that, I would go with Phaedra without a doubt). But
there is something about this albums minimalism and lack of rythmic patterns that appeals
to me in an esoteric, subconcious way....
matti_sillanm
To give this album 0 stars is simply foolish. But to give it 5 stars might not be
exaggeration after all. This album is up there with all the other ambient classics.
Definitely more experimental than any other Tangerine Dream album, and more hard to
get into as well....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=343" rel="nofollow - Seyo SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Honorary Collaborator
I tried to listen to this 75 minutes collection of noisy sounds (it cannot be called "music") in
one sitting for a few times but it was hell difficult. I admit total lack of comprehension of
what TD tried here to achieve ... This album is definitely
for TD completists or electronic music scholars only.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=177" rel="nofollow - philippe SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Content Development & Krautrock Team
A deep « abstract » universe offered by this electronic, semi-acoustic meditative
Largo in four movements. The music is an « organic » & « orgasmic » evocation of the
infinite beauty, illustrated by higher world. It touches the heart and the most hidden
parts of our subconsious....
The defining album of space music. Works as ambient music but if you focus on the
music it can be very introspective and really haunting, beginning with the sinister cello
quartet overture. Like most classical symphonic music, it needs your close attention to
be fully appreciated. This is a real timeless landmark.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=6357" rel="nofollow - PhantomBannana
This is actually my first time listening to Tangerine Dream with any amount of attention
and what I am hearing is: electronic hums, bubbling synth percolations, occaisional high
pitched keening. I kind of like it. Very ambient, but then again that kind of comes with
the whole German-Electro-Pulse thing anyway...http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=1611" rel="nofollow - Arsillus
Very difficult, avant-garde music to assess. ... I find it not so much music as it is "sonic art." Zeit is hard to "get" and even more so
to "appreciate," but persistence and an open mind will give you a reward. Not for the faint
of heart, though. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=4698" rel="nofollow - loserboy PROG REVIEWER Honorary Reviewer
German synthesizer pioneers TANGERINE DREAM reached the height of their early
experimentation with their third studio album on 1972's "Zeit" (the German word
for "Time"). ... "Zeit" is absolutely a wonderful
headphone experience album with tons of dark synth and sound effect-augmented cracks
and crevices.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=5913" rel="nofollow - Philo
PROG REVIEWER ... It's not the greatest
anything, though, that's for sure. Some lovely sounds creep, emerge and compress, as if
created by a retard high on some wonderful drug. It's Tangerine Dream's Zeit, lets leave it
at that. It's a double album to boot, but I'd reckon they're having a laugh except for the
fact that these geezers are Germans...http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=12914" rel="nofollow - paolo.beenees
Here is the album which taught me that music is nothing you must understand by all means;
it can be instead something to let your mind flow and float with. I've played "Birth of Liquid
Plejades" dozens of times and each time it sounds to me more and more beautiful....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=440" rel="nofollow - Chris S SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Honorary Collaborator
I have to add even whilst I am a 70's annorac for progressive music I always thought that
Zeit was borderline annoying. Even accepting that I was probably wrong I do feel that Zeit
tried too hard and was maybe just too obscure to even care too much....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=8636" rel="nofollow - thellama73 ...What we have is four extended, droning, dark, minimalist soundscapes without any real
evolution or development. That is to say, very little happens over the course of the
double album. However, if you put aside your expectations of sequencer driven
electronica a la Phaedra, you may well experience a magical pre-Eno ambient
phantasmagoria, and it is for that reason that I love it....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=2915" rel="nofollow - Eetu Pellonpää SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Honorary Collaborator ...This is totally perfect record to be listened when
meditating, nocturnal long distance travelling, or studying the heavenly
objects from books, computers or telescopes. In my opinion one of the
essential albums of this group, being a real cosmic relevation.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=1442" rel="nofollow - russellk PROG REVIEWER
No tunes, not even a hint of one. No evidence of a beat. Instead, layers of drone. Droning cellos,
droning synths, droning organs, droning guitars, with gradual droning crescendos and droning
fade-outs. Droning noise experiments. ...This is brave, this is genius, this is borderline comedy, this is insanity. It's either one star or
five, so I'll split the difference.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=123" rel="nofollow - Easy Livin FORUM & SITE ADMIN GROUP Site Admin & Moderator  ...In all, a totally impenetrable
album which on the face of it, anyone with an organ and a synthesiser
could come up with. If you enjoy listening to white noise and other
sounds devoid of music of any sort, this could well be for you. One
things for sure, "Zeit" does not get any easier to listen to with the
passing of zeit.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=4949" rel="nofollow - Frippertron
I have most of the Tangerine Dream albums on CD, but I have a problem with Zeit. I just dont hear
music just a lot of noodling with their keyboards to see how much they can make themselves sick. ... I would give this album a miss, unless your idea of fun is getting a migraine after 75 mins of wailing and
droning.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=9980" rel="nofollow - Mellotron Storm PROG REVIEWER
...Zeit" is
German for "time" and Froese believed that time was motionless and only existed in our own minds. So
it's no surprise that this double album is slow going. Funny but i much prefer it to the previous
album "Alpha Centauri". TANGERINE DREAM offers up to us 4 side long tracks straight from cold,dark space...
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=1883" rel="nofollow - ZowieZiggy
PROG REVIEWER ...This is of course not an album for every ears (prog or non-prog ones). It is harder to get
into ''Zeit'' than ''Phaedra'' but TD fans (or anyone interested in electronic music) should
take the time to discover this work. At the end of the record, it is a rewarding exercise (at
least I feel so)....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=25702" rel="nofollow - Bonnek SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Prog Metal & Heavy Prog Teams
Without doubt this is the most extreme of all TD albums ...Not the kind of album to
sit and relax to, it is an important and impressive album in electronic
music. Maybe not the best in this style (I prefer Schulze's Cyborg) but sure one of the more influential ambient works to come out of the electronic kraut scene of the early 70's.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=19129" rel="nofollow - tdfloyd
This is a tough album or 2 to review. Devoid of any tradional music, sequencing, drumming,
melodies or really anything pertaining to music as most people understand it....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=7409" rel="nofollow - infandous ...Certainly this is a difficult album for the newbie, and I would never recommend it to anyone as an
introduction to TD (for that, I would go with Phaedra without a doubt). But there is something
about this albums minimalism and lack of rhythmic patterns that appeals to me in an esoteric,
subconscious way....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=22735" rel="nofollow - Guldbamsen COLLABORATOR Prog Electronic, Psych/Space, New Bands ...The problem with this album then is its inaccessibility. It´s a masterpiece in its own right, but I
am so seldom in the mood for it, that it looses the attraction. It truly is a mental voyage to
listen to this album, but more so a never ending hunt for the right mindset, which is a shame. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=18270" rel="nofollow - SaltyJon SPECIAL COLLABORATOR Zeuhl RIO/Avant & Canterbury Teams
...This one is one of the greatest Prog Electronic albums ever to be recorded. It shows just how far
out some of the pioneers were willing to go, and that distance might as well be infinity since the
universe is always expanding and this one is right at the edge. Definitely an essential masterpiece
of progressive rock (even though the "rock" element is missing in this and many of the best
Electronic albums).http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=10853" rel="nofollow - octopus-4 COLLABORATOR RIO/Avant/Zeuhl Team ...To enjoy this album (as well as most of the space-psychedelia), you have to forget the usual
concept of music. Get your headphones, close your eyes and travel into deep space or any
other amazing place your mind can disclose. This album is a milestone in his genre. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23199" rel="nofollow - Dobermensch ...My
initial reaction was shock. Shock and bewilderment at the bloody awful
sleeve that it came in.
Looking like a scene from 'Tron' - it was an artistic blunder in every
sense of the word. ... [This album is] a triumph, but the best was yet to come.
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=30993" rel="nofollow - zravkapt
COLLABORATOR Post Rock Team
This is a good album, not great. ... This is like a
painting in a museum...you enjoy looking at it when you are there, but you don't want to come
back everyday just to see it. I can't give this any more or any less than 3 stars.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=14878" rel="nofollow - R-A-N-M-A
"The music consists in 2-3 humming refrigerators at the same time, plus a portative fan that turns
back and forth to make the anyway inexistent rhythm, and finally a coming cluster of threatening
killer bees!" - greenback. This is the most stunningly harsh yet appropriate review I've yet seen for an album on PA. If only
I'd read it, I might not have bought it.... http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=31022" rel="nofollow - Jazzywoman
Though I do highly recommend most of Tangerine Dream's discovery, I cannot recommend
this disc to people with short atention spans ... Though some see the album as a complete disaster of noise, it is a contributing factor to
the creation of New Age and Ambient music. It's interesting how the band really puts
together the sounds on this album, but it rarely has much connection with me...
http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=23849" rel="nofollow - Antonio Giacomin
First effort after Alpha Centauri; and first of all lacks the sense of innovation present in that
work. But fortunately music here differs a lot, it is not a mere repetition of a formula used
before; but it is also a music which is very difficult to be appreciated....http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=18844" rel="nofollow - colorofmoney91 PROG REVIEWER ...This was Tangerine Dreams first experiment in purely ambient/drone focused music, and it
isn't a failed experiment; Zeit is perfect for what it is, an atmospheric album that tosses the
listener into oblivion. Anyone looking for music like Phaedra might be disappointed in this
album for its lack of instant accessibility, but anyone willing to let this void consume their
mind is definitely in for an amazing listening experience. http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=28528" rel="nofollow - idoownu
This is the greatest electronic album ever made ... Basically, get it, unless you are an electronic newcomer.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=17723" rel="nofollow - Warthur PROG REVIEWER
...With four long, achingly (and beautifully) slow and languid compositions each covering a side
of a double-album set, this is to Krautrock or progressive electronic what Soft Machine's Third
is to Canterbury or Tales from Topographic Oceans is to symphonic rock ... Far and away the greatest accomplishment of
Tangerine Dream's pre-Virgin Records period, Zeit is an electronic masterpiece.http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=16579" rel="nofollow - friso PROG REVIEWER ...Conclusion. Heavy, brooming atmospheres 'drones', only interesting for those who like to
confront themselves with a serious amount of abstract, dark - but well played - 'music'. Four
stars.
------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Replies:
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 15:20
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I give it a solid four. It is very long and not a lot happens during that time, but it is also pretty amazing. The true meaning of Space Rock. From my review, the phrase "magical pre-Eno ambient phantasmagoria" is one I am quite proud of. ------------- 
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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 15:23
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Love, love, love! 5 stars. This style of music is easy to do poorly, and TD did it wonderfully! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 15:58
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 16:01
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Me neither. ------------- 
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 16:03
I have to agree with that. Four stars as well. |
thellama73 wrote:Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 16:05
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Never really cared for ambient - never really cared for Tangerine Dream, but even they had albums I liked a LOT more than this one (Phaedra, Rubycon, etc.). By the way, I always preferred Here Come the Warm Jets over Discreet Music. **/*****
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 16:07
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Four stars for a brilliantly immersive and hypnotic album, but not one you want to listen to all the time - It's thoroughly depressing and morbid to my ears!
Having said that, I've been playing it over and over recently, and I've got a review ready to go any day now of it! 
The second disc that comes with the recent re-release is stunning as well. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 18:32
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I like it, though it does sometimes strain to listen to it all at once. (Perhaps coincidently) The first two pieces (and the first one in particular) are fantastic. I'd give it a 3.75-4 stars. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 13 2012 at 18:34
I can't really call it rock but I agree with the other things you said. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: 2dogs
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 01:59
| Like drifting through space. Love it. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 02:32
Hear, hear! I'll just add that whenever I listen to it I'm filled with feelings not necessarily as warm, healthy and positively uplifting as philippe does. I consider Zeit to be 75 minutes of cold, melancholic, desolate gloom. Its like being alone in the universe or space, but to me that's the real beauty of it. Cosmic existentialism.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 04:01
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I've heard and liked quite many of the TD classics, but this one seems to have slipped by me. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 05:22
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I'll stick with the rating I've officially given it.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 05:33
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I do love greenback's review. It isn't that bad though. Possibly 2 to 3 stars from me but I need to listen again tbh. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 08:09
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I was split between 4 and 5 stars but in the end its 5 stars for me. Even though there are some (quite a few) days I wouldn't want to listen to this. On those days and times I do it is unbeatable. THinking about it there are loads of albums I love but wouldn't want to listen to at certain times (Space Ritual at breakfast time for example). Anyway got the tape machine running in the kitchen recording the backing track for my new CD. And getting the fan heater out of the loft set up to try and work out some rythm.------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 08:27
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I like ambient music but this album hasn't clicked with me yet. I'm more in tune with the Phaedra-like stuff. I wouldn't presume to give it an official rating just yet, because I haven't given it my undivided attention, but for the purposes of participating in the poll and discussion, if I had to rate it today, I'd give it a 2.
I do own the CD though, and plan on listening again soon. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 11:03
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...an excerpt from my own review of the album, as heard (in its entirety) on the "Nebulous Dawn" boxset: "The album contains some of the most haunting sounds ever captured on tape: less Space Rock than the soundtrack to a religious liturgy from some intergalactic abyss, almost completely liberated from the terrestrial straitjackets of rhythm and melody. It takes a brave pair of ears to navigate the entire original double LP in one sitting..." Translation: 5 stars...although I still haven't completely come to grips with it yet, even after several decades of trying. ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 11:35
Dark, dark album. 5 stars! Good music to put on just before bed. 
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 20:36
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4 stars. It's a cold and dark ride. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 20:46
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I listened to some of this today. Better than I remembered. I hadn't realized that those cello sounding noises were actually cellos. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 21:11
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3.85. this was my first TD buy, On vinyl as well.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 14 2012 at 22:25
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 07:58
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As a big fan of ambient music (and early TD in particular) I love this album. I'll concede you have to be in the right mood. 4 stars.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 12:00
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It's not my fave TD album.... I prefer Phaedra, Ricochet, etc but nothing from TD goes below 3 for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Barah86
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 12:25
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5 stars!
------------- Death seed blind man's greed Poets' starving children bleed Nothing he's got he really needs Twenty first century schizoid man. 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 14:32
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Nice too see all of the Zeit appreciation. I gave it five stars. Like some others, it's not something I'd want to listen to every day, or even every other day, but when I am in the mood for it (at night particularly), it is quite the experience. It does remind me in part of Ligeti, as well as composers such as Penderecki. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgqI32JX_jY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgqI32JX_jY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gshZH4bWue4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gshZH4bWue4 ------------- Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: October 15 2012 at 16:15
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Posted By: progtapper
Date Posted: November 22 2012 at 23:11
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5 stars! No doubt.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 23 2012 at 01:35
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3 stars. Sometimes I just don't get, which is kinda odd knowing my tastes( and I do). I am a sucker for slowly moving obscure abstract and ambient music, and there are of course times where I fully appreciate it and understand why folks rate it as a masterpiece, but more than often it doesn't reveal itself to me. Unlike Atem and my fave TD album Alpha Centauri. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: November 24 2012 at 09:22
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I love Rubycon but I never heard this album. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: JamesYoungField
Date Posted: June 22 2013 at 12:54
| It's kinda hard to give it any rating because it's unlike any other music... I don't even know what words to describe it with, "cosmic", "infinite"? I guess "Zeit" (time) is the best name for it after all. I think I would give it 5 stars for the all-encompassing atmosphere. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: June 22 2013 at 13:10
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Reminds me in a vague way in parts of Vangelis' Beauborg. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: June 22 2013 at 13:20
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 22 2013 at 13:38
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3 stars for a solid lp. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |