A Pipper the Gates of Dawn vs The Division Bell
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Topic: A Pipper the Gates of Dawn vs The Division Bell
Posted By: smartpatrol
Subject: A Pipper the Gates of Dawn vs The Division Bell
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:02
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Pink Floyd's first album and last album, head to head. Division Bell for me. ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:03
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You can't be serious
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:04
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Piper is one of the greatest albums ever made for me. Division Bell is alright but too much of it sounds like a softcore porno soundtrack. Don't think anything on that album comes anywhere close to previous Floyd efforts, let alone the masterpiece of Piper. At least you didn't do AMLOR instead of Division Bell :P |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:13
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I prefer the melodic sophistication of The Division Bell to the raw madness of Piper. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:19
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Although I really do like TDB, I had too many great "experiences" with the Piper to vote any other way. ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:19
 Yeah, Piper is a masterpiece. IMO Division Bell doesn't even come close. |
Sumdeus wrote:Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:21
The Division Bell by far, a great ending  ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:21
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You are making things up, aren't ya. |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:24
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it's the section with those cheesy 90's synths and super reverbed guitar leads over it. sounds like any softcore porn music. softcore porno music guys. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:29
What kind of softcore are you watching? That sounds fantastic! ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Wilgod3p
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:31
| the division bell |
Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:32
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Piper. ------------- Poseidon wants to Acquire the Taste of the Fragile Lamb - Derek Adrian Gabriel Anderson, singer of the band Geneyesontle |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 21:38
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Piper is an experience. Division Bell is product. It's alright, but it's formula with few authentic surprises or shivers. ------------- |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 22:09
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Division Bell is stronger overall to me. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 23:47
| A Pimppppper. Truly seminal and kind of entertaining. As for TDB, I just don't like it. I just -- don't -- like it ... except for a few tracks (though "High Hopes" ain't one of those favorites). |
Posted By: glenn_ecko
Date Posted: November 14 2012 at 23:59
| Easy one. Piper is one of the most important albums ever made. TDB is a good swan song, nice effort but nothing essential. It is much better than The Final Cut though. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 00:35
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It's funny how different opinions are. No contest for me. Never understood what's to like about Piper...Don't get me wrong, there are some good songs there but the studio version is much weaker than any live version I heard. So it's Division Bell by miles and miles and miles... |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 01:23
| DB for me |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 01:37
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Well, `Piper' is one of the defining psychedelic albums, nothing else sounds anything like it before or since. I seriously O/D'd on the album years ago. It will get my vote, but.... `The Division Bell' is a grand, melodic and emotional sophisticated adult rock album - and probably worth it for the subtle beauty of `Cluster One' and `Marooned' alone. Both wonderful albums! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 02:27
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Well, it seems to be an interesting poll after all. When I write this, Piper and Bell have about the same amount of votes. Experiment versus sophisticated product.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 03:08
The Division Bell. It takes the lead now (11-10)
Now move on to JfF: A Pipper vs The Piper  ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 04:04
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I really don't like the Syd Barrett era Floyd at all. The psychadelic, hippy-trippy nonsense of the first two albums does very little for me.
But The Division Bell is much more mature and enjoyable.
Piper at the Gates 2*, Division Bell 4*. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 04:42
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"Pipper" easily for me. Real inventive Floyd. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 05:01
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Definitely Piper for me. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 05:27
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He meant "Peeper" or "Pepper" |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 05:57
| I actually prefer TDB to Animals and The Wall, but TPATGOD is a masterpiece. Because TPATGOD is so good it took me several years to get to appreciate A Saucerful Of Secrets because it has the misfortune of having to follow TPATGOD. |
Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 06:20
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A Pipper the Gates of Dawn is such a great album. Right behind A Dark Syd the Moon and Wish You Were Hear. But for psychedelic-era albums I prefer Sgt. Pippers Looney Hearts Club Band. In all seriousness, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn wins over The Division Bell. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 06:23
Meet Pipper the Clown ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 07:07
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I'm not a huge Barrett fan Division Bell for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 07:11
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Pipper? Not just in the title but the poll as well?
Regardless, I'll go with A Pipper the Gates, although I'm not a fan of Pipper the clown, at all. The Division Bell was ok.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 07:15
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A Pipper ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 09:33
Piper. One of the foundation stones of progressive rock. Better than TDB, one of the foundation stones of the endless Floyd reissue campaign roundabout.
It's now 24-14 to Pippa, whoever she is. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 10:53
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If we talk about the real Prog, discovering, pioneering, then The Piper is undoubtedly better by a wide margin. If we talk about mere pomposity, decline, but on the other side about certain commercial success, then The Bell is just better .
So, guess what I actually prefer.  ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 11:01
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I had rather High Hopes for the Astronomy Domine, the start and the end of studio album Floyd -------------  
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Posted By: Josef_K
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 11:18
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Piper easily... I never understood the deal with Division Bell except "High Hopes" which is a neat song. Nothing special, but neat. I do think the softporn comment kind of nails it for me though when I think of it. ------------- Leave the past to burn, At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
Posted By: Sonic Plec
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 11:45
| Love both, but Division Bell just shades it for me. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 11:58
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Piper -------------  
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Posted By: Cthulhu42
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 12:23
| This is a tough one; I'd say they're probably about equal to me. I'm leaning a little towards Piper today, though. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 13:09
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High Hopes is one of the best songs ever written, not only by Floyds and Wearing the Inside Out is another materpiece, but I love Barrett too much.
Cthulhu ft'agn wgah n'agl ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Undercover Man
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 13:13
| I don't know, only heard Pipper. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 14:25
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I only really like Astronomy Domine and Interstellar Overdrive from "pipper" but I definately prefer the live versions of those. DB for me thus. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 16:54
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Sgt. Pipper's over the Divisive Balls by a nutload.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 17:08
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 18:46
| The Division Bell, easily, for me. I love it all, from start to end, and Gilmour's guitar is as good as ever. It's not often that a group fills a CD worth of music all with songs that I like so much. As for Piper, well, it has some nice songs (specially Astronomy Domine), but there's a lot of songs I don't really like. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 19:26
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Piper is a good album. Division Bell is one of the very few I've listened to which I would consider only giving 1 star to if I rated it. I have rarely been that bored listening to anything (and I like prog electronic  ).------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 19:49
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 20:10
Floyd without Syd, it's a little bit like beer without alcohol 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 20:31
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I like The Division Bell better. Sorry majority. I bet if The Division Bell had been recorded first, and the debut album recorded last, people would have opposite opinions.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:35
| ^ No, they would not. By 1991 A Piper would be a dated product. |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:37
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yeah gotta disagree there. Piper would still be Syd magic. Division Bell would still be softcore porno. Just the way things go.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:42
What would The Division Bell be in the 1960s? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:42
^ Not a dated product? Something that's never been done before in terms of production?
Then you probably haven't heard Faust.
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:49
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Well you have to understand Syd is one of my favorite musicians ever. No matter what context his album was released in I would still love it like I love all of Syd's work.I don't think it matters when it was from. Syd would still be Syd and his music would still be fantastic. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 21:54
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 22:05
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Pipper? I barely even know her! |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 22:56
Not for me, I still dislike music I think is boring that was undoubtedly groundbreaking 40+ years ago when it was written/released.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 23:27
| ^ Exactly my point. |
Posted By: Terra Australis
Date Posted: November 15 2012 at 23:56
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Voted for piper. It's got an edge to it and an eccentricity about it that is interesting. ------------- Allomerus. Music with progressive intent. http://allomerus.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - http://allomerus.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 00:16
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I don't believe I've ever even heard a track from The Division Bell. Probably should listen to it one of these days.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 00:18
| ^ My personal favorites are "Cluster One" and, especially, "Marooned". And since "High Hopes" is a favorite with a lot of people here (I'm not one of those people), you might wanna check that one out too. |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 03:02
| I can't explain this clearly (and it seems to me strange enough), but I prefer The Division Bell. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 04:10
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The Division Bell. I love Gilmour's guitar style. -------------  |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 08:05
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The Piper is opened by the recorded voice of the first Pink Floyd's producer. High Hopes is closed by the phone call of the actual Pink Floyd producer to Charlie Gilmour. They are the same album, just the opening and the closure of a big suite 34 years long. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: November 16 2012 at 12:18
easily |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 01:53
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Division Bell as it is still fresh and has indispensable High Hopes. ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 02:21
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 02:24
| ^ Chuck Gilmour is Dave's son. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 17:35
 - Oh I haven't laughed so much for ages.....
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 17:41
............ which album is 'A Pipper the Gates' ?? Anyway, this is really tough, as much as I've obsessed over 'Pipper' ( ) for the last 25 years, I go for The Division Bell as it moves me on a more emotional level. I won't vote coz I love them both as much.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 18:11
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 18:15
| I'm just nudging - not being nasty in any way. |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 18:16
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The
Let me help: The musicianship on the Division Bell is an order of magnitude greater ... which comes with practice. Never mind the sound engineering. "Peeper" has two excellent songs and the rest are, IMO, nothing special. The Division Bell is sumptuous listening throughout. The Division Bell is melodic, and the lyrics do say somethign that has a meaning and is relevant to me. The "Pooper" lyrics are more like cute, but nonsensical nursery rhymes. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 19:49
| I can't believe that so many people have voted for Division Bell. It's a nice enough album but seriously come on. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 20:15
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Division Bell's got Stephen Hawking on it. COME ON! ------------- |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 20:56
meh, to me Division Bell is stale and too tame. It's all very predictable and with barely any excitement going on. I don't think it's a bad record, but it just sounds like Floyd going through the motions without much passion. Piper is revolutionary on all fronts and sounds like nothing else, full of wonders and surprises. It probably also helps that I love LSD and Syd but that record captures a kind of magic innocence and fantasy that few others can. ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 21:12
beautifully put ....I find the same wonder even without the lsd------------- |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 17 2012 at 21:57
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Posted By: Neroon001
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 00:41
| Piper by a landslide |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:04
Son of the current wife of David Gilmour, adopted by the guitarist. You can hear the phone call some seconds after the end of High Hopes ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:15
This is exactly what Syd was making. He was fascinated by fairy tales and nursery rhymes. He was a 360° artist. The sound of the words was sometimes more important than their meanings (Mathilda Mother: "wondering and Dreaming, the words had different meanings"). Think to the sound of "floating down the sound resounds around the icy waters underground". This is genius! ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:19
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Its like comparing Stravinsky with Rod Steward, guess who is who ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 03:56
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^ Well said.
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 06:15
I do get this, and I do not undervalue Syd (rest in peace). The poll question was, however, 'Which album do you prefer'. Had the question been, 'Which album was more mold-breaking in the year of its release', I'd have gone for "Popper" of course. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 06:16
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I voted the as you, but I love even The Final Cut ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 12:57
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So many people have voted for the Division Bell because it's a much better album The debut has a couple good tracks on it at best IMO ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:27
That's why there's almost twice as many votes for Piper, right? Ah yes it all makes sense now... Maybe I need to go puff on my tobacco pipe and grab a monocle so I can be 'sophisticated' and 'mature' enough to understand why TDB isn't boring as hell. :P ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:42
No, it doesn't, which makes your comment barely relevant to what Wanorak said. He said:
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:45
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Can't we all just bang a gong? ~Rodney "King" Bolan Hey, wait, I think I prefer Piper. I'm sure I do. But I prefer The Final Cut over both of these two.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:48
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 14:53
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how was my comment barely relevant? He said "so many people have voted for TDB because it's better" and i'm pointing out that doesn't make much sense because WAY MORE people have voted for Piper. either way. I don't really care what people like. You're free to dig what you dig. It just annoys me when people keep coming in this thread posting their opinions like it's scientific fact. I haven't reviewed every post of mine in this thread but I feel like I've been good at sticking to "I like Piper cause of ____ and I don't like TDB cause of ____" rather than just acting like what I think is law somehow ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 18:18
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Sumdeus, it's just shows that there's no accounting for taste Just like everybody voting for Grendel in the Marillion epic. Some people seem to want to live in the past, even when more recent works by artists are better than their old works!! ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 18:22
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Yes, people's tastes are personal and I respect that. What I don't like on this site is people voting for Marillion or Genesis or whoever and voting for Fish or Gabriel or whoever just because it's them and not giving the other singers their proper due Especially when Collins and Hogarth are far superior vocalists IMO and others. They may not be theatrical, but they SING better! ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 18 2012 at 21:47
| I too like Collins as a singer much more than Gabriel, whom for me is not good at all. I like Fish a bit better, though, but I still find him annoying sometimes; though I still don't know any Hogarth era Marillion in order to compare both singers. However, I still love Gabriel era Genesis more than Collins era Genesis, and I don't know about Hogarth era Marillion, but can't imagine liking it better than Fish era. As for this thread, I have stated before that I like The Division Bell much better than Piper... as a matter of fact, I find TDB among my favourite Pink Floyd albums, just behind Animals and Wish you were Here, and perhaps even above Dark Side. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: November 21 2012 at 05:46
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The division bell.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 21 2012 at 13:03
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Piper was groundbreaking. The Division Bell was OK though.
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