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Topic: Rating The Classics - Yes: Drama
Posted By: geneyesontle
Subject: Rating The Classics - Yes: Drama
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:34
A pretty mixed album. Some say that it is underrated, while other say that without Jon Anderson, there is no Yes so this album isn't good. Here are quotes from reviews of this album by members of PA:
 
2 starsTurns out I don't like Drama as much as I thought I remembered. Most likely the second or third time I heard it, I started to get into some of the music, because there are some good sections in some of the songs. - 7headedchicken
 
4 starsAnother great album Yes.Ok, Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman are not here, but so what? Trevor Horn can not sing like Anderson (although their voices are similar), but Geoff Downes playing much better than Wakeman in "Tormato (there keyboards are a disgrace). - voliveira
 
3 starsThis Yes album is really not my favorite but as got some good stuff. It's a good album and it sounds a bit like the old Yes. The bass lines are awesome but some songs like Run in through the light get very long and are at the base not great. - The_Jester
 
4 starsFor me "Drama" is one of the stronger Yes albums. The sound is very sharp, with Chris Squire very much to the fore. The Buggles influence is not that apparent, in fact it is interesting to hear the Buggles track "I am a camera" and compare it to "Into the lens", the Yes interpretation of that track. While the two are recognisable as being the same song, the electro-pop of the Buggles is transformed into a decent slice of prog. - Easy Livin
 
4 starsOne of those albums I was taken by surprise. This album has been often maligned thanks to the absence of Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman. In their place was both guys from the BUGGLES (as in the hit "Video Killed the Radio Star", which became the very first video MTV ever played, by the way), Geoff Downes and Trevor Horn. To be honest, I thought this album was better than "Tormato". They were no longer inflicting me with such infantile crap as "Circus of Heaven" here, and the band was going for a harder-edge approach. Plus it's nice to see Roger Dean return and give us some artwork, as he did here. - Proghead
 
1 starsThis was the album where Yes lost the plot!! I know because I was there and saw the band on this tour (oh dear). The Buggles, and video ,may have killed the radio star but Yes surely did'nt have to recruit The Buggles to replace the vocalist and the keyboards player. Trevor Horn was never really going to be a replacement for Jon Anderson and whoever dreamed this up made a monumental error in my opinion.None of the tracks are particularly memorable and the only good thing about it is the album cover.Give it a miss. - horza
 
4 starsDrama is a criminally underrated Yes album. Just because it doesn't feature the 'classic' line up, many automatically dismiss it as a bad record, mostly without ever giving it the time of day. The songs on it are some of the strongest Yes ever recorded. - arcer
 
3 starsFirst time I heard “Machine Messiah” I thought – dang, is this some sort of collaboration with Black Sabbath or what? And why is Jon Anderson leaning on Chris Squire so much for vocal support? Boy, little did I know….. - ClemofNazareth
 
5 starsI can't help but think it was this record that brought Jon Anderson back to the band. C'mon Jon, admit it, the boys did an amazing job and popped out one of the best things in Yes' catalog. The fact that it was not as musically intricate as previous Yes outings didn't mean it wasn't a kick-ass release, and one of the best things to emerge from the comatose progressive rock scene in 1980. - Atavachron
 
5 starsDrama has slightly more of an 80's sound compared to earlier albums, but it is still far, far away from the more commercial 90125 or Big Generator. Indeed, this album is much more in line with earlier Yes albums than what might be expected given the radical changes in the line up. Such vital members as Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman were here replaced by Geoffrey Downes and Trevor Horn of The Buggles of all people! Geoff and Steve Howe would later form Asia. But Drama - thankfully! - does not sound anything like The Buggles or Asia. Drama is still very much a classic Yes album and, in my opinion, an improvement over Tormato, Going For The One, Relayer and Tales From Topographic Oceans. - SouthSideoftheSky
 
4 starsIt's very sad to see how this excellent album is misunderstood and underrated by the Jon Anderson fans, yes it's true that Trevor Horn is not Jon...But what about that?
I always believed that the weakest link in YES was Jon's voice, well in Drama we have the chance to listen the band after the infamous Tormato and with a new vocalist, the results couldn't had been better, Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes gave YES another life after almost every reasonable fan believed the band was dead and buried, sadly this new breeze lasted only one album. - Ivan_Melgar_M
 
3 starsIf you were to follow Yes' career, you might expect this album to really blow. Going for the One was good, but it was a step down from the reach that Yes had had with the three albums beforehand. Tormato was a clear step in the wrong direction for most fans. - TheGazzardian
 
4 starsYes met the new decade with another lineup change and a strong studio album release. I guess that if someone would predict that Yes members would collaborate with a New Wave band, fans would have dismissed that though completely. But here we are 25 years later acknowledging that same fact! - Rune2000
 
3 starsDrama marks the entrance of a new vocalist for Yes, Trevor Horn. The change isn't really all that significant or noticeable though, as the vocals are still in the Jon Anderson style. The music here is roughly the same as on Relayer but with more coherence, but all together better and more interesting than Tormato. - colorofmoney91
 
4 starsNow that Yes have released an album with Benoit David on lead vocals, perhaps it's a good idea to give Drama another look. After all, before Fly From Here it rather stuck out as being the sole Yes album not to feature Jon Anderson - now, it looks like Yes albums without Jon are not going to be quite so unusual. - Warthur
 
By the way, thanks Logan for the poll idea.


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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 17:33
3 stars, it's an alright album. It just doesn't get the most plays by me.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 17:39
Bleh. 3* at most.

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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 18:13
It's quite good album, better than most of the albums Yes did later. Machine Messiah and Tempus Fugit are great tracks - great enough to give it 4 stars... Maybe it's because this one was the second record I heard from Yes sometime in 1982/1983 (the first one was Close To The Edge).

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 18:37
Excellent Yes album.  Four stars.

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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 18:41
I gave it 5 stars. A great album and one of my favourites. The band really kicks a** on this album!! The performances of Howe, Squire and White are some of the best work of their careers IMO.

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Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 18:43
Very good Album, 3.5 rounded to 4 stars


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 18:46
Easy 4 stars - One or two great mini epics, a whole bunch of good shorter songs and one inoffensive throwaway - `Man In A White Car'!

I avoided this album for quite a while fearing the worst, instead it's one of my favourite Yes albums, and they've certainly had poorer albums.

I always defend this one!


Posted By: pfloyd
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 19:24
2 stars. im not the biggest yes fan to begin with, so i pretty much never play this album. 

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Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 19:34
3.5


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 21:46
3-4...probably about 3.75.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 22:50
Originally posted by bytor2112

3 stars, it's an alright album. It just doesn't get the most plays by me.

This.


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 23:37
I have rated it three stars.  Both Machine Messiah and Tempus Fugit are great tracks, but the rest of album does not quite come up to the same par.

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 23:52
Solid 3.5 stars, I like it quite alot.....Tempus Fugit is the track that wore out its welcome very quickly.  The rest holds up well.

Also where I got off the Yes train.  It's really the only post-Relayer album I can get into any more.


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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 00:32
I own it on vinyl but have yet to listen (don't want to bother with any records till I get a new player. The one i have is a half broken sh*tty portable from the early 70s that makes listening to records a chore)

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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 01:11
I think it's much better than Close To The Edge.

Nahhh....just kidding but definitely 4 star. I don't care if Anderson is there or not, I think the material is great. I love every track on that album even the shorter ones, Trevor Horn did a great job. It's true it has a poppy vibe to it but it works very well.

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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 02:56

4 , drama is a very good album, but not a strong 4 , more like 3,6.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 03:30
4 stars
 
after CTTE, Fragile and The Yes Album (all 5 stars) and Going For The One (4.5) I like it as much as anything else Yes did.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 03:34
Didn't know it was a classic, but 4 stars from me.

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 05:16
1 star. I've heard it 2 times and it's 3 times too much ...


Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 05:31
3 stars from me. I like it and there are some good tracks on it, but not close to the true 4-5 star Yes albums like Fragile, CTTE,Relayer, etc.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 06:07
Here my 3-stars review

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=397835



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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 07:47
4 stars without hesitation, great album!
I don't care about Anderson and Wakeman not being there, it's the music that counts.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 09:30
3 stars
It's nice, but not sensational like the '70's albums.



Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 10:33
4 stars

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 10:34
Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.

My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.

EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.


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Posted By: geneyesontle
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:33
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.

My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.

EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.
 
Maybe but Tago Mogo is also mixed.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:42
Originally posted by geneyesontle

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.

My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.

EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.
 
Maybe but Tago Mogo is also mixed.

Not to me :D


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:50
Originally posted by geneyesontle

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.
My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.
EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.
 
Maybe but Tago Mogo is also mixed.
Look, we can ask the whole world, which is even worse, and the results are going to be much more mixed than ever. If there is any group that will yield solids results, then it will be the group that is eligible (i.e. with the penchant for German experimental psych-rock) for reviewing the album.

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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:13
One good song at the beginning, one decent song at the end, the rest is total crap. 2 stars.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:47
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.
My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.
EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.
 
Maybe but Tago Mogo is also mixed.
Look, we can ask the whole world, which is even worse, and the results are going to be much more mixed than ever. If there is any group that will yield solids results, then it will be the group that is eligible (i.e. with the penchant for German experimental psych-rock) for reviewing the album.

I don't think its mixed. To me it is consistently great from beginning to end. Drama that is.


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 14:35
I hate the production of the record, so that's a giveaway for me right there. As for the music itself, meh, it's decent. - A good 3 stars. Machine Messiah is only track I really like. 

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 15:39
Yes' second studio album after the classics is obviously a solid 3-star one. The songs have their moments, but most of them just seem to miss the mark. By the way, I refuse to believe that the absence of Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman diminishes this album because it is way better than its predecessor. And in the context of a barren year like 1980, it may still find its place in my top-10 of that year. And now I stop before I can post this as a review.

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 15:40
I would give it a solid 3 stars.  I like it, and "Does it Really Happen" is a big favorite of mine.  And "Tempus Fugit" is great too.  The other songs aren't bad either.  "Run Through the Light" comes closest to bad.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 22:52
I'm not sure, the only song I really like a lot is Machine Messiah, and I like White Car and Run Through the Light a lot too (even when the last one is usually one of the least loved ones). The rest of the songs, even though not particularly bad, are quiet forgettable to me. I guess 3 stars would be right, though I would be tempted to go with 4 just for Machine Messiah... 3.5 would be best though. I will vote 3.


Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 19:50
This is a 3 star album for sure,

Machine Messiah is great.   Tempus Fugit is awfully good too and Into the Lens is ok..  The rest of the album is insipid.

Half quality, half dreck.  The definition of the three star album.


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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 20:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by geneyesontle

A pretty mixed album.
That's why it's not a classic.
My vote: not sure. I have to hear the album in its entirety though there is something dreadful about the idea of wasting time on something that may not work.
EDIT: Great. Now I sound like an anti-prog wuss.
 
Maybe but Tago Mogo is also mixed.
Look, we can ask the whole world, which is even worse, and the results are going to be much more mixed than ever. If there is any group that will yield solids results, then it will be the group that is eligible (i.e. with the penchant for German experimental psych-rock) for reviewing the album.

I don't think its mixed. To me it is consistently great from beginning to end. Drama that is.


Agreed.  I like the whole dang thing.  4 star album at least.  Better than Tormato or Relayer.  And although 90125 was no slouch IMO either, I'm glad we finally got a follow-up to Drama.  Should have just got Trevor to do the lead vocals, but Benoit did a pretty good imitation.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 20:23
I like Tormato more than it, and Relayer? Shouldn't even be compared, sorry. Fly From Here was awful sadly. Oh well -  i can be satisfied with Yes' classic period for long enough. 

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 03 2012 at 04:47
3.5 stars. Very good album. It has the makings of a flawed masterpiece.

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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: December 03 2012 at 11:37
StarStarStarStar

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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: December 05 2012 at 05:12
Maybe 4 stars.

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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 05 2012 at 09:37
I was very harsh when I reviewed and gave it a solitary one star. It is not that bad, in that there are some redeeming features.

In truth, though, I have never been able to enjoy this album, so two stars from me.


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Posted By: Federico95
Date Posted: December 05 2012 at 13:03
I may be the only one, but it is my favourite Yes album ever. It combines incredibly well the intricate Prog style of the previous years and the melodic vibe of the '80s. Machine Messiah is my favourite track in their discography, and Does It Really Happen? and Tempus Fugit are two incredibly brilliant pieces of music.

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