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Topic: Most integral member of Yes
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Subject: Most integral member of Yes
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 19:29
I am sure this has been done many times but what the hell it's 2013 so here we go.
I have purposely left out several members who contributed their talents for a few albums here and there, who although I admire their talents I personally don't consider them as integral to what defines Yes.


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 19:50
I feel it's a close call between Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, and Steve Howe. However, whenever he's been in the band, I guess the most important member for making the Yes sound has been Anderson.


Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 19:58
Originally posted by Dellinger

Jon Anderson, Chris Squire, and Steve Howe.

One of these. Without these guys, it just isn't Yes


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:01
Say what you want about Chris SquireDrama is a damn good Yes album and Anderson wasn't on it.  Time and a Word was a damn good Yes album and Steve Howe wasn't on it (on the cover maybe, but not on guitar).

The Fish it is.


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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:05
It's hard to determine Squire's importance, because he's played on every Yes album, so we don't have any albums without him to judge what impact his absence would have had. 

I'm going to have to go with Steve Howe; the band made at least one good album (90125) without him, but it didn't sound like Yes.  Whenever he's been a member, the band sounded like itself.


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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:14
I'll put it this way: both "Time and a Word" and "Drama" have that characteristic Yes sound... What do they have in common? Squire!

I agree with Epignosis! All hail the Fish!

+ That Yes essence can also be heard here:
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zCsQXpt8ew[/tube]

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:23
I suppose for me it's Anderson and Howe.  If I recall my band history they were the most responsible for the creation of Topographic, which for me is the single greatest achievement of the band.  

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:33
Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:44
Going with Anderson, Howe would be my second.

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 20:47
There is no integral member of Yes.  Rick or Jon probably come closest.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:15
Chris may've been the musical director/leader, but I tend to think Jon was really what made Yes extra special.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:26
Originally posted by Epignosis

Say what you want about Chris SquireDrama is a damn good Yes album and Anderson wasn't on it.  Time and a Word was a damn good Yes album and Steve Howe wasn't on it (on the cover maybe, but not on guitar).The Fish it is.



Indeed, Squire was part of every album. And those albums may be very good indeed. However, the best, most important, most popular (in the prog perspective, we don't care so much about 90125 here in PA, for the most part) had Anderson in the line-up, and as far as I understand, the chief director of those particular albums was Anderson. Not the only one, and he wouldn't have been able to create such albums by himself, but he is the one whe gave those albums most of their soul (I would be thinking about the albums between The Yes Album up to Going for the One). Still, Squire is a very fine choice too, and I am actually not certain about who contributed to what, so I might be wrong in my perspective.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:28
Originally posted by HolyMoly

Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.
In that case Squire.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:43
Howe---Yes would not sound like Yes without him----Anderson a close second, but it doesn't help his case that 2 fairly decent Yes albums are without Jon.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 21:58
The question itself is different from, yet somewhat similar to, "which member made Yes stand out". I would have to say JA.
Originally posted by Finnforest

I suppose for me it's Anderson and Howe.  If I recall my band history they were the most responsible for the creation of Topographic, which for me is the single greatest achievement of the band.
Pretty much what this man said.

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 22:18
Anderson of course

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 22:21
Jonny boy even though I love Steve Howe and Chris Squire

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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 07 2013 at 22:41
Anderson's voice is what makes Yes' sound unmistakeable.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 02:09
Jon Anderson, who was the most important songsmith and visionary man.
Chris Squire comes second, he was a steady backbone of the band.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 02:39
Originally posted by Moogtron III

Jon Anderson, who was the most important songsmith and visionary man.
Chris Squire comes second, he was a steady backbone of the band.
 
I have nothing to add to this.


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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:11
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

It's hard to determine Squire's importance, because he's played on every Yes album, so we don't have any albums without him to judge what impact his absence would have had. 
We can get a feel for that with ABWH.

Squire for me although Jon's voice was essential to their trademark sound. Even for Drama Trevor Horn sang with a similar style and when they have had to replace Jon they have gone for his clones Benoit David and Jon Davison.


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:26
Originally posted by Wanorak

Anderson's voice is what makes Yes' sound unmistakeable.
 
Honestly, everyone is replaceable! If you're listening to Trevor, Chris or Benoit (and theoretically Jon Davison, although he hasn't release any record with Yes) - they're all very close to Anderson's typical timbre.

What makes the real full and heavy Yes sound, is definitely Chris Squire!

(What I can't understand, is the inclusion of some marginal members of Yes: Kaye, Rabin, White)

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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 03:35
Bill Bruford is the most integral one to Yes as I like them best. I prefer TYA, Fragile and CTTE to anything that came afterwards by miles, and I do think Bill Bruford's presence is one of the biggest reasons for that. They were a much tighter and cleaner band with him than without him, so I assume he kept some of their excesses in check. Or maybe his playing was so busy that he didn't leave the others any room to "noodle around". However, I do have to acknowledge that Yes without Bill Bruford were still very much Yes, so I will have to go with Jon Anderson. He was their main creative force and "ideas man", and the albums without him feel markedly different from the ones with him.


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 04:38
History says Squire since he is the one single consistent element, but I say Anderson.  Athough the two albums without him so far are quite good, they sound different enough to sound a little strange.  Not off, but different from the core Yes sound.

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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 06:39
I'll go with Chris Squire - he's the only one who's there from the very start, his bass is unmistakable and the same goes to his back vocals. Yes, Anderson's voice and Howe's guitar are important for Yes's sound too but anyway... Chris it is!


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 07:04
Tough question, but I'm going to say Squire.

He has been a constant and his trademark sound and style have always been part of the Yes brand.

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Posted By: Astral Traveller
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 07:59

From this day forth, let it be said that the definithe Yes Line-up is:

Jon Anderson

Chris Squire

Bill Bruford

Rick Wakeman

Steve Howe


However, I vote for Jon. His voice is Yes's signature sound. Think about Drama and Fly From Here, without Jon, is it really Yes?  His tenor voice fits perfectly with the symphonic style of Yes's music. The day that they forced him out of the band was the day that classic prog died. Yes is the only Big Six Band that is still active, and without Jon, its like Drama all over again. Even after Benoit fell ill, they didn't take Jon back, they just took Jon Davidson. Of all The nerve, they replaced him with a singer who not only has a similar voice, but a simmilar sounding name as well. Replace David win Ander and you get Jon Anderson.

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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 11:15
Anderson. Maybe Squire.

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:02
Bill Bruford, looked what happened to them after he left.  Pretty much nothing.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:11
No Chris squire, no Yes.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:16
Originally posted by Snow Dog

No Chris squire, no Yes.

No problem, we'll have Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe instead. 
That's good too, isn't it? Wink



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:19
Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Snow Dog

No Chris squire, no Yes.

No problem, we'll have Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe instead. 
That's good too, isn't it? Wink



Actually not a fan of that album.Embarrassed


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:23
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Snow Dog

No Chris squire, no Yes.

No problem, we'll have Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe instead. 
That's good too, isn't it? Wink



Actually not a fan of that album.Embarrassed

I know, I was actually teasing you.
Sorry about that, couldn't help myself. Embarrassed
I remember you once describing the album using a word that sounded like a human end product that comes out of some bodily opening, somewhere below... 
You said it more nicely now, I appreciate. LOL


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:36
Anderson. No doubt, no question.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 13:56
I have to give it up for Squire. He is the only one to be on all the albums, unless I missed something.


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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 14:03
Originally posted by dwill123

Bill Bruford, looked what happened to them after he left.  Pretty much nothing.

Thank god he left Yes.

And my choice would be Steve Howe, easily.


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Posted By: Nash
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 14:21
for me its jon anderson, not only becaus of his incredible voice, also was the mastermind of some of the greatest records of the band

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 15:57
Has to be Howe or Anderson. Didn't they write all of Topographic Oceans together?
I voted Howe because I think he had both the vision and instrumental ability to shape the music into what we think of as 'Yes music'. Its also went beyond vocals and keyboards in my opinion. The albums featuring other guitarists just don't seem like Yes to me. The change between Time and a Word and The Yes Album was massive and also the change between Drama and 90125 stylistically.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 21:37
Originally posted by mister nobody

Originally posted by dwill123

Bill Bruford, looked what happened to them after he left.  Pretty much nothing.

Thank god he left Yes.

And my choice would be Steve Howe, easily.


why thank god he left Yes?? Yes's drums were never the same afterwardsConfused


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 21:50
Steve Howe beyond any doubt.

His style is characteristic and his inclusion marked the rise of the band.

Squire comes close second, and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago

Iván


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 23:22
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

Originally posted by mister nobody

Originally posted by dwill123

Bill Bruford, looked what happened to them after he left.  Pretty much nothing.

Thank god he left Yes.

And my choice would be Steve Howe, easily.
why thank god he left Yes?? Yes's drums were never the same afterwardsConfused
I think what he meant was some sympathy for Bill, who felt like he would no longer belong in Yes' picture.

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Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: January 08 2013 at 23:53
Can't pick between Anderson and Squire.

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Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 00:14
Originally posted by HolyMoly

Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 02:30
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.


Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 08:06
For me it's Chris Squire. As important as Jon Anderson has been I can't envision Yes without Squire. I think Drama is a great example. That album is sometimes overlooked-not by knowledgeable fans, but by casual fans, but there is a lot of great material on that album and no Jon Anderson. I think even if he did not return they could have carried on well.

I do think that Steve Howe is also a key to a successfu Yes. His prescence was soarly missed during the Rabin incarnation of the Band. Rabin is a talented musician and fine guitarist, but seeing them live and listenint to Rabin try to play some of the older, Howe material was painful. I also didn't care for his more pop approach to Yes.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 08:20
^I enjoy Rabin playing Howe. In  some cases I prefer it. Starship Trooper for example

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 09:06
Anderson-Howe wrote most of the big classics with help from the rest---For me, before "The Yes Album" the group had some  ideas but was sorta not focused--they needed a genius guitarist to cement the ideas and Howe did that---


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 10:38
Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.

I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.

And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama

I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice

Iván


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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 11:07
Squire. You can hear on Time And A Word how much he dominated. Not too many bass gods back then compared to other instruments. Without replacements after that album, Yes could have wound up being known as that early prog band with the awesome bass player and girly singer (think Geddy Lee playing with a bunch of nobodies).
The bass licks in Roundabout and that Fish instrumental from Fragile seals the deal for my pick.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 11:54
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

Originally posted by Moogtron III

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 

 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago


I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?

Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 

It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.

I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.

And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama

I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice

Iván

Right, now I understand. It's the voice, not the compositions. Yes, I'm not to keen on Anderson's voice myself, though I don't hate it.



Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 09 2013 at 12:27
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M



Originally posted by Moogtron III


Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M

 
 and I just wish Anderson would had left Yes long time ago
I'm curious about this: why would you say that? Because Fly From Here proves to be a better album that the albums before? Is your theory that Anderson was withholding a truly progressive Yes?
Still, ABWH was more progressive than Rabin era Yes in those days, and I wonder what would have happened if Squire c.s. wouldn't have teamed up in the past few years with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. 
It's a fascinating thought, though.

Because I hate his castratto voice, it's like an ice pick in my eardrum.
I love Drama, 1,000 times better than Tormato, GFTO and even Tales, because of Trevor Horn's voice.
And Yes, IMO Fly From Here is better than any post Relayer album, except Drama
I love Yes music, but they are not uiin my top 20 because Jon's voice
Iván



Did you get the Live at Lyon album? Perhaps you would find it interesting, to have many of the classic Yes songs without Anderson (though for me, Benoit sounds close enough to Anderson, so I don't know if it would be much of a difference for you). Perhaps they'll release a new live album with Davison next, which you might find interesting too. As for me, neither of the 3 singers who have replaced Anderson are quiet as great, they may be close enough (specially Benoit), but they kind of lack the magic that make me love his singing. I guess the one that really did a wonderful job for me with one of his songs was Annie Haslam singing "Turn of the Century".


Posted By: robotson21
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 19:27
I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 19:35
I got that album at the time but it didn't age well...

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 19:49
Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 02:08

Good, I'm not crazy, the poll agrees with me...cos it's gotta be Anderson. Rick's great, but lotsa guys did "keyboards." Chris and Bill are great, but lotsa guys did "rhythm." And Howe's country licks were definitely different and distinct, but integral to the sound of YES? NO. Heh. God I'm clever. 

Ahem. But it is the helium induced vocals of one J. Anderson that make all Yes albums sound like Yes albums. The vocals and the spiritual, mystical hoo-hah. The best bet, I would think, is not to look at the albums minus key members, but to look at said members solo works. I'm mainly familiar with Anderson and Wakeman, but it's easy to tell between those two who sounds more like "classic" Yes...



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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 14:41
Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 17:54
Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...

well I like ABWH better in that case--at least I still listen to it now and then for the playing---can't say the same for Yes west


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 18:20
Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by twosteves


Originally posted by robotson21

I think the album to judge Yes without Squire is the Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe album - which I didn't think was very good. Over produced. Too much Anderson  'New Age'. Maybe lacking some rock ooomph from Squire???

I love Anderson's singing but with ABWH and with subsequent Yes albums there was too much ANderson airey fairy stuff (as Howe had said) and not enough jamming by the 3 great guys Howe, White and Squire. Hope new album has more playing less lyrics.


But ABWH would have to be compared with Trevor Rabin's Yes, not with the Yes of the 70's, to put it in perspective of the times...

well I like ABWH better in that case--at least I still listen to it now and then for the playing---can't say the same for Yes west


However, by far my favourite song from either ABWH or Yes West is "Endless Dream".


Posted By: invisible-man
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 15:14
Jon Anerson


Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 23:13
There are grounds for suggesting several members:

- Jon Anderson for overall musical direction,
- Steve Howe for his writing and playing,
- Chris Squire for his writing and playing and permanence,
- Rick Wakeman for bringing the classical influence which cemented their classic albums,
- Alan White for his rudimental (not rudimentary) drumming and his energy and his ears which are THIS BIG.

But the crux of Yes, what made their classic albums unique, was never being the outlet for a single person's vision e.g. ELO, Tull. What you hear on Close To The Edge, on Tales, on Going For The One, is a bunch of excellent musicians all in the same room and arguing over everything. Take that away and you're left with some interesting solo work - but it's not Yes.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 23:15
^ Well spoken.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 23:20
Originally posted by Ajay

There are grounds for suggesting several members:

- Jon Anderson for overall musical direction,
- Steve Howe for his writing and playing,
- Chris Squire for his writing and playing and permanence,
- Rick Wakeman for bringing the classical influence which cemented their classic albums,
- Alan White for his rudimental (not rudimentary) drumming and his energy and his ears which are THIS BIG.

But the crux of Yes, what made their classic albums unique, was never being the outlet for a single person's vision e.g. ELO, Tull. What you hear on Close To The Edge, on Tales, on Going For The One, is a bunch of excellent musicians all in the same room and arguing over everything. Take that away and you're left with some interesting solo work - but it's not Yes.

Think what you say here is correct---great Yes --the best Yes music is 5 amazing musicians jamming and hammering it out---which is why Yes west could never be great---and other Yes line-ups produced mediocrity.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 23:24
^ What's Yes West?

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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 03 2013 at 01:02
As a bass player, I kinda have an extra amount of appreciation for what Squire does for their sound. Wasn't till I took up the bass when I realized how great of a role he plays. He's the best kind of bass player: rarely follows the other instruments at all, yet his basslines work perfectly with the rest. I vote for him.

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 03 2013 at 23:38
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 04 2013 at 09:00
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ What's Yes West?

come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile


Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 04 2013 at 22:45
Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 04 2013 at 22:50
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: February 04 2013 at 23:44
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ What's Yes West?


Yes West stands for the Yes that produced albums with Trevor Horn and Trevor Rabin and who produced 90125 and Big Generator Wink


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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 02:36
Originally posted by twosteves

Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

Howe for me. I love Squire's bass approach, but one of my favorite aspects of yes is Howe's soaring additions to the mix and inventiveness. Plus, his work on Relayer sets the bar miles above the heads of the vast majority of prog guitarists.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 02:38
Howe

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 04:47
Originally posted by twosteves

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ What's Yes West?
come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile
Never heard them referred to that way before.

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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 05:27
Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.

As for the "most integral member", that would have to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and played on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of the Yes career).

I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 06:22
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by twosteves

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ What's Yes West?
come on you know the band all moved to California--Yes with Rabin otherwise know as Cinema. Everyone knows yo have to have cold damp weather (England) to make good progBig smile
Never heard them referred to that way before.
 
They are often referred to as "Yes West". There were two versions of Yes around - the Rabin/Squire and the ABWH one and they eventually combined (well, sort of) on "Union".
 
As for the answer, it's either Anderson for his vocals and vision which are the heart of the classic Yes or Squire for being the only ever present member. Can't decide.


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 05 2013 at 18:31
Originally posted by Argonaught

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legal reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.


Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: February 06 2013 at 08:13
Couldn't find David or Davison so decided not to bother..........


Posted By: wehpanzer
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 12:51
Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes

It's hard to determine Squire's importance, because he's played on every Yes album, so we don't have any albums without him to judge what impact his absence would have had. 

I'm going to have to go with Steve Howe; the band made at least one good album (90125) without him, but it didn't sound like Yes.  Whenever he's been a member, the band sounded like itself.
That's where you are wrong - we have Anderson, Wakeman and Howe, and it only sounds Yes-like.  As much as I love Tony Levin, he's not Squire.  I feel it's not even his bass playing, it's his harmony vocals that really make the Yes sound.<p>
So I would say Squire.


Posted By: wehpanzer
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 12:54
Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by Argonaught

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legar reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.
I disagree.  Squire had nothing to do with ABWH until Union, and then it was only his vocals.  Whereas there are some definately Yes-like parts to ABWH, it's not Yes without Squire.  Remember, Anderson refuses to do anything from Drama, but Drama rocked - I would absolutely LOVE to hear Anderson sing Tempus Fugit!


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 18:50
Originally posted by wehpanzer


Originally posted by Dellinger

Originally posted by Argonaught

Successful bands are always synergistic entities (on many levels), which means they are more than the arithmetic sum of their members. Therefore, the question about who defined the success of Yes is hard to answer.
As for the "most integral member", it has to be Chris Squire. He is the only member of Yes who has never left the band and is playing on all albums (yes, this IS important, since we are talking about the whole of Yes career). I'd also argue that the "Squire Sound" - even over the "Anderson Sound" - was the uniquely valuable component of the earlier Yes.  


Well, for me ABWH is really Yes... more so than Yes West, actually. I don't know which legar reasons were there for them not being able to use the Yes name (surely Squire was somewhat involved, wheter intentionally or not), and besides, Union almost made ABWH oficially Yes. Plus, Anderson at least considers the ABWH album as a Yes album, and in some way the rest of the band had agreed with him... while he has been part of the band. If Anderson, Wakeman, and Rabbin end up making their new album together, I guess it would be as much a Yes album for me as "Fly from here" and the new album Yes is thinking about recording with Davison.

I disagree.  Squire had nothing to do with ABWH until Union, and then it was only his vocals.  Whereas there are some definately Yes-like parts to ABWH, it's not Yes without Squire.  Remember, Anderson refuses to do anything from Drama, but Drama rocked - I would absolutely LOVE to hear Anderson sing Tempus Fugit!


Exactly because Squire didn't have anything to do with ABWH is that ABWH is the perfect album to compare how important he was to the Yes sound. Of course, the other problem is that by the 80's they were already making different music than what they did in their prime, so if ABWH isn't as good as their 70's albums, we might blame the time of it's release more than the absence of Squire. Another way to judge who was more Yes might be listening to their solo albums in the 70's (which I haven't heard all, but I guess most here would go with Fish out of Water in that case as the most Yessy). Also, I guess you could compare the Drama and ABWH albums and choose which one better achieves the Yes trademark sound in order to choose between Anderson and Squire. Still, I would have a hard time choosing between Anderson and Squire as the most integral member, perhaps giving the edge to Anderson, and Howe comes in third place. Also, I guess you could compare the Drama and ABWH albums and choose which one better achieves the Yes trademark sound in order to choose between Anderson and Squire.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 08 2013 at 18:56
Originally posted by HolyMoly

Anderson is the spiritual core, and spirituality is central to what Yes is to me.

Yes.  




Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: February 09 2013 at 06:49
For me it is Jon Anderson. It just sounds like a different band without JA.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 09 2013 at 08:30
Originally posted by Daysbetween

For me it is Jon Anderson. It just sounds like a different band without JA.

Jon is the sound of Yes, but Yes west in the 80's sounded like a different band with Anderson--but Drama and FFH sound like Yes to me. I think of Yes when I listen Jon's solo stuff (although I don't like most of it) but it doesn't sound like Yes either--other than his great voice.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 09 2013 at 09:24
Squire, not just the main man but also the one who defined their sound the most to me.  First and foremost, it's that big bass sound that I notice.  I barely take much notice of Anderson except for the wrong reasons but I am sure I am in a minority there.  


Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: February 09 2013 at 10:53
Originally posted by rogerthat

Squire, not just the main man but also the one who defined their sound the most to me.  First and foremost, it's that big bass sound that I notice.  I barely take much notice of Anderson except for the wrong reasons but I am sure I am in a minority there.  

Same here; When listening to Yes, sometimes I kind of subconsciously "listen past" Jon's squeaking for the sake of overall enjoyment in general, and that voluptuous bass sound in particular. The Fish Schindleria Prematura is no less than 160 seconds of complete gratification, while the other Fish (the Out-of-Water one) is like an ocean of salacious bliss Smile   



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