Any other prog-rock vegans/vegetarians out there?
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Topic: Any other prog-rock vegans/vegetarians out there?
Posted By: Fighter
Subject: Any other prog-rock vegans/vegetarians out there?
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 00:10
| anyone else take their progressiveness farther than their musical tastes and onto their plate? I've been a vegan for a couple of months now, and was somewhat inspired by Jon Anderson actually (though he apparently now eats fish). I personally got into veganism because of ethical reasons; i felt as though i should limit my exploitation of other beings, but after only a few weeks i was feeling health benefits as well. I dont really know any other vegans, so i'd love to connect with some people who share musical tastes and diet! |
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 03:08
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I wish you well with your chosen lifestyle diet, and I have no desire to argue, but I do take exception at the word "ethical". ------------- What? |
Posted By: Fighter
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 04:08
| haha, sorry if you took that personally. I didn't mean to say i think others are living unethically, but just that i feel like i am living most ethically this way. there's lots of arguments about why it is more ethical (just one would be the amount of food used to fatten up live-stock could feed all the worlds starving people many times over) and i found those arguments spoke to me, but really got to me was just that i wanted to more fully express my compassion for other living beings and nature by letting animals live their lives instead of endorsing their exploitation. theres also arguments that say being vegan is not ethical, ive read tons of them when i was new to veganism, and to be honest i found the reasoning behind those arguments to be poor. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 04:26
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If we didn't eat meat and dairy there would be fewer animals. They wouldn't be living their lives. They wouldn't exist.
I also object to something you said about taking your progresivness further. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 05:27
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As I said, no desire to argue. 'Ethical' invokes the morality of right and wrong, implying that one is more right for adopting a particular lifestyle choice than someone who doesn't. I fully support and endorse any choice that relieves suffering and harm to another creature, call that compassion or empathy or sympathy if you will, but not being a vegan is not an unethical choice. Therefore any reasoning that veganism is ethical or not is always going to be poor because arguing the morality of right and wrong is not determined by diet, if that were so then lions, wolves, bears, sharks, piranhas, crocodiles, snakes, badgers, mink, ferrets, moles, eagles, vultures, crows, venus flytraps, bacteria, blowflies and all other meat-eating creatures would be wrong and immoral and thus would be unethical by the standards you would adopt for an omnivorous creature, such as a human. Saying you have no wish to eat any food that exploits an animal is okay, though claiming that in doing so would allow them to live their lives instead is debatable (and ultimately false), so calling it more ethical is emotive but incorrect. It is a choice you make, (albeit one that modern arable farming technology has allowed you to make), just as my choosing not to eat cauliflower is a choice I make.
Anyway, I wish you good luck and happiness. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 06:05
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As do I -
Welcome to the forum  - you may find http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91524" rel="nofollow - this thread of interest too.------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 06:07
I think we covered most everything there.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Jim Garten wrote:Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 08:51
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Vegetarianism isn't progressive eating, it's regressive eating. I'm in the Anthony Bourdain school on this one. -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:11
I tried eating In The Court of the Crimson King once. It was hard to chew and I think I broke a tooth.  Same results with Camel, Genesis and Yes. Eating prog-rock is not for me thanks.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:19
Those animals doesn't have the freedom to choose as humans do. I don't know if it's possible for a wolf to start eating vegetables. And even if they could, they might not have the intellectual reasoning capability to convince themselves to stop eating animals. Living beings fight for survival. But if you have freedomof choice, you can consider different options. With more freedom comes more responsibility.
Have you heard of a vegetarian or herbivore who have turned into a carnivore? Not very common. Have you heard of a carnivore that switched to a herbivore/vegetarian? Much more common. I heard of carnovourous dinosaurs that went herbivores. They still had claws and sharp teeth but gradually developed features more adapted to eating plants (during the course of millions of years I guess). So with that reasoning, it seems like a more progressive thing to start eating vegetables than starting to kill animals. What if horses started to kill animalsand eat them? Would that be a constructive step in the right direction for their evolution? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:22
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:34
Have you heard of a vegetarian or herbivore who have turned into a carnivore? Not very common. Have you heard of a carnivore that switched to a herbivore/vegetarian? Much more common. I heard of carnovourous dinosaurs that went herbivores. They still had claws and sharp teeth but gradually developed features more adapted to eating plants (during the course of millions of years I guess). So with that reasoning, it seems like a more progressive thing to start eating vegetables than starting to kill animals. What if horses started to kill animalsand eat them? Would that be a constructive step in the right direction for their evolution? [/QUOTE] Ah, but in the 803rd millenium, the Morlocks evolve into cannibals, so perhaps that is the most "progressive" state.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:35
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But I wouldn't say it's wrong to be a carnivore. But we can always evaluate our habits and develop them in any direction that seems interesting or valuable for us. I took a step towards vegetarianism 10 months ago. But the main principle is to eat less meat and better food in general. But I still eat chicken and fish, so I'm not really a vegetarian. I mostly vegetarian food though. First I thought it would be too difficult for me to become a vegetarian, but I'm not sure what made me go through with that change (of not eating meat except chicken and fish). It was just a feeling, it was not about morals. I wouldn't have gone through that change if I didn't feel like it. I can still eat red meat if I want to though, but I haven't so far. I've been tempted to eat lamb....but I think I can resist the temptation for some more time. It's all dependent on my learning new vegetarian stuff to eat. Because it's sad to sacrifise great food experiences and just make it into a necessity. I value food highly. With that said I can't promise that I won't start eating red meat again, or start allowing some specific kinds of meat......but I don't like the idea. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 09:37
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I really don't like to eat vegetables other than potatoes and carrots, so it would be nearly impossible for me to become a vegetarian. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 10:24
Wolves are omnivores (as are bears, piranhas, badgers and crows) but prefer meat - given the free choice between a rabbit and a potato the wolf will eat the rabbit. Lions however are carnivores - they cannot digest plant matter efficiently enough for survival.
The freedom to choose has nothing to do with intellectual reasoning nor does it impose any responsibility. You can choose because you are an omnivore and you have a choice because intensive arable farming has permitted it.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 10:51
Of course a horse can evolve into an omnivorous creature given enough time - of all the grazing herbivores its digestive system is non-ruminant so would not require a massive evolutionary change to adopt a meat-diet - at first they would most likely be scavenging carrion eaters (like pigs) using meat to supplement their predominantly herbivorous diet, before evolving into creatures capable of hunting and killing prey. Deciding whether that is a constructive step is applying judgemental reasoning to a natural process - if it offends you that is a different issue but it is neither non-progressive nor is it non-constructive. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 11:08
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I once took my progressiveness too literally further and eat a little bit of Phil Collins' right butt cheek but it tasted like smelly fish so I returned to regressive non-homosapiens meat. ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 12:18
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Pandas are carnivores (or omnivores) but have an almost 100% livs of bamboo and plant food, Polar Beer is a omnivore and is 100% carnivore, most logically becouse of the lack of fruits and vegetables in Svalbard.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 13:55
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 14:04
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I still maintain that chosing not to eat meat is regressive. If, all of a sudden, we all starting limiting ourselves to ingesting three-cord songs I'd call that regressive too. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 18:32
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You have to be mentally aware of having this freedom in order to utilize it. Without conscious thinking you will only act on instinct.
The point was that animals are innocent compared to humans. Humans have the freedom of will, they can find options by intellectual reasoning. They can invent stuff that changes their conditions.
I don't know about that.
I think instinctly that an animal has more value than a piece of salad but at the same time I don't think anyone should be ashamed of eating animals. But if someone becomes a vegetarian or decides to eat more vegetarian food, I do think of it as a positive thing. To broaden the sources of food and nourishment and adopt new habits is constructive if it means a positive change for you and the world at large. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 20:39
A couple of points - I don't buy into the idea that mankind is the only mentally aware creature or we are the only creature capable of conscious thinking - instinct alone is unsufficient for creatures with more complex neural systems and social learning is more significant - once you have a creature with that ability (ie most mamals) then that creature is mentally aware and capable of conscious thinking. It is arrogant of mankind to think they are "special" in this regard. Secondly, we didn't invent stuff to enable people to make lifestyle choices, the change in conditions that resulted from us inventing stuff has allowed the luxury of choice. Choice can only occur when there are options to choose from and all creatures are capable of making a choice when presented with options; the choice they make is not always predictable and not always repeatable, again the more complex the neural system the less predictable it becomes - that is free will and again it is arrogant of mankind to think they are "special" in this regard.
Being a vegetarian or eating more vegetarian food is not a positive thing - it's not a positive healthy thing and it isn't an environmentally beneficial thing. You may think it is and that's fine by me, if you assert that it is then that's not fine by me - as I said I have no desire to argue, I merely objected to the word "ethical" (and all the goodie-goodie baggage that carries) ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 01 2013 at 22:37
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^Do you have statistics which prove a vegetarian lifestyle is not healthier than a meat eater lifestyle. I am not talking about thoughts or assertions but actual statistics from scientifically controlled studies. If you have some i would like to see them. http://www.neontommy.com/news/2012/10/new-study-finds-vegetarians-live-longer Here is a study which says vegetarians live longer. There are many, many more. I am not talking about the ethics of it all. This only speaks to your claim " it's not a positive healthy thing".
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 00:12
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Vegetarianism can't really be considered "living", though. ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 00:46
| http:////www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=91524&KW=veg" rel="nofollow - Here's a similar thread. |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 01:21
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I became vegetarian a couple of years ago - and I completely support your use of the word "ethical" to describe your motives, Fighter. (And your love of Jon Anderson. I have tickets to see him in Sydney in April!) I guess the person who was the most surprised at my becoming vegetarian was me. A couple of years ago, if you'd told me I would become vegetarian, I'd have laughed. I used to look down on vegetarianism as some crackpot affectation. Except for Hunza pies. I used to work near a vegetarian cafe which did excellent Hunza pies. Only reason I went there. A couple of years ago, I began to feel uncomfortable with eating meat. I'd been studying Buddhism for a few years, and practising mindfulness; and I became increasingly aware that I was feeling uncomfortable whenever my six-year-old expressed his love of animals. Here he was, crowing over duckies and piggies and lambs, and here was I eating duck and ham and slow-roasted lamb. I felt hypocritical that my enjoyment of my food followed from the suffering of these animals my son loved. Then I came down with an infection which went systemic and became life-threatening, and I ended up in a hospital bed. Lots of opportunity for practising mindfulness while I coped with what my body and the hospital staff were doing. As I recovered, I read a news story about someone who used kitchen equipment to torture an animal. That did it. Appalled as I was with this person's behaviour, I could no longer reconcile my own awareness of the suffering of animals with my eating their flesh. One of those aspects of me had to go. So I gave up meat. That was it. Easier than when I gave up cigarettes. Today, I cook fresh vegetarian meals for myself, and for those family members and friends who want it, daily. And I'm always surprised when people say, after eating a meal I cooked, "There was no meat in that meal - and I didn't miss it." (Second only to the very satisfying, "I love your cupcakes - what do you mean they're vegan?!") I'm not evangelical about my vegetarianism. This post is the first time I've mentioned it to someone who hasn't asked me, "Why did you become vegetarian?" Nor do I have problems with others eating meat. My vegetarianism is about my feelings, not theirs. I cook meat dishes for my family when they ask and I serve them without lectures or reservations. And yeah, occasionally I'll read a news story which mentions some benefit of vegetarianism, like this weeks' news that it cuts the risk of life-threatening heart disease by about a third. Bonus! My doctor is happy, I'm happy, my family is happy. Rock on! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 03:13
I have no desire to argue, especially with you.
You will notice that I did not say it was not healthier than a meat-eater lifestyle. I said, it was not a "postive healthy thing".
It can be positively healthy, if you are careful of what you eat, just as an omnivorous diet can be positively healthy if you are careful of what you eat.
Eating healthily is a matter of balance, not of excluding foodgroups from your diet. There are many http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/healthy-living/how-our-vegan-diet-made-us-ill-848322.html" rel="nofollow - reports of unhealthy vegetarians , they are anecdotal because there is no gain in producing a statistical study, search the web for unhealthy vegetarian and you'll find plenty of acecdotal evidence - it is not statistical because no one has bothered to count it.
One of the problems with existing studies is they compare vegetarians with the entire population and produce predictable and missleading results. Vegetarians are more likely to be healthier because they are more likely to be mindful of what they eat - those people are more likely to be healthier even if they were not vegetarian. You could produce similar skewed statistics for any single group if you had a mind too - people who eat organics, people who don't eat fast food, people who drive hybrids, people who take vitamin suppliments, people who eat a balanced diet... ------------- What? |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 04:08
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Dean, I'm glad to read you support choices which relieve suffering and harm to others. We're on the same page there. In my understanding, compassion and empathy are ethical, because it's from empathy with and compassion for the suffering of others that we can learn to improve the ethical quality of our decisions. Ethics as I understand it deals with humans reflecting on how their behaviour affects others and using those reflections to guide their future decisions. The value judgement is of options, not of others. So, elevating one person above another because of the application of the label "ethical" is not something with which I hold. By the same definition, I don't describe animals' actions as unethical, because they're not human. I agree with you that morality is not determined by diet. Rather, I see it the other way around: ideas of right and wrong (or better and worse) condition one's diet. Vegetarianism which proceeds from a desire to avoid harming animals is, therefore, in my book, ethical.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 05:01
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 06:22
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I find Crows, Dolphins, Octopuses, and Sharks to be as equaly amazing in their social structure, intellegence, and problem solving minds, also rats are very adaptable and high developed societies in same places as humans, maybe the reall high societies are the Rat society under New York, who knows..
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 07:29
I am sure that there is a consciousness in all animals, but its nature is different from animal to animal. Science knows very little about these things. In regards to senses they have access to different levels of experiencing reality compared to humans. It's hard to imagine what it would be like to have the extremely sensitive sense of smell that some animals have. Or the sharp-sightedness of some birds. There may be other senses not accessible to humans, like sensing the earths gravitational field and the possibility to orient yourself to it. But it's hard to imagine the nature of animals consciousness. Monkeys and apes are capable of rational thinking, and there seems to be intelligence in dolphins etcetera. But I think that humans holds a very special place among living creatures because of their consciousness, intelligence and above all self-awareness. If such a claim is arrogant , how can you justify killing animals and not humans. If all are equal, then killing a bird is murder? Or maybe you justify it because we happen to be at the top of the food chain. I don't see humans as being part of the food chain, maybe they are, but they are not animals in the same sense as other creatures are.
I think we invent stuff first and foremost to be liberated from burdens. To create artifacts and machines and arranging systems that make life easier to live.
But the choice must be available to the creatures mind. Even if it has a choice, it may not be aware of it, or the decision making won't include much or any reason. Does an ant choose whether to go right or left? And more importantly, how is the decision made? You can't seriously mean that an ant has as much free will as a human being? Humans are special compared to animals in a lot of ways. They can picture the consequences of their different choices. They can also use imagination, forming ideas of things that doesn't exist. |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 08:31
For me it also happened after a sickness, but not like yours, just a flu. I thought I was well after just 1 or 2 days. I made a boeuf bourgignon, and it was very good, nothing wrong with it.But I got a special sensation afterwards that made me dislike meat. And maybe I wasnt 100% fully recovered from the flu. So I stopped eating meat from that point, 10 months ago. You could say its a pavlovian thing (or what you call it), blaming this event for creating this aversion to meat . But there was nothing wrong with the borgignon , I just was in a different state of mind I guess. My relation to meat hasn't changed much since then. But I do eat chicken. I may crave for meat when Im very hungry, but the aversion to it is still there. The feeling is that it's something heavy that drags you down, like a burden. It feels slightly more alien to me now than it used to be. But I could eat meat if I wanted, it's not some kind of phobia. But the decision came from a change of mental sensations, so it wasn't a planned decision. 2 months ago I stopped drinking coffee, it wasnt planned either , but thats another story. Maybe its a strange phase in my life but I see it as growing and maturing as a person. Most importantly is that you're not fooling yourself, or letting yourself be fooled by others. I will start drinking coffee again, thats for sure, just not right now. |
Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 09:00
Yeah, I gave up coffee a little while before I gave up meat. Like you, I see it as growth. Increasing my freedom by letting go of an(other) addiction. Withdrawal symptoms were nowhere near as strong as I expected - a day of headaches, more or less, which mindfulness helped me through. Again, nowhere near as tough as when I gave up cigarettes. I'm glad I read your story. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 09:46
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I like pot-au-feu, boeuf bourguignon, canard laqué, blanquette de veau and many other meat-based dishes.
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Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 11:37
Yes , thats exactly my aim. To be more independent and in control of myself. And the idea is that something that brings about a positive effect often has negative side effects .By the way, I also had headache for about 2 days, but it was mild and not too obtrusive. I didnt know about that beforehand, it's pretty interesting. I',m pretty addicted to tea now, though. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 11:48
uh-uh, asking me to justify killing animals and not humans is being judgemental and getting just a little emotional - crossing that line is dangerous and not to be advised. I will say that I do not kill for sport, fun or pleasure, I am not a cannibal and I have no inclination to eat an animal while it still lives.
And your point is?
Two major "inventions" allowed you a choice of whether you became a vegetarian or stuck to the natural human diet. Without either of them youwould not have that choice. They are the domestication of crops and and the domestication of animals. Those reduced the burden of hunting and gathering food. With these invention we could produce a surplus, we could support a population that was bigger than the number of people needed to tend them, it also freed up time for us to do other things. Between the neolithic times and the Industrial Revolution the average human had a shorter working day and more holidays through the year than we have had since those times -invention since then has increased our burden, not liberated us from it.
I said "more complex the neural system" ... an ant does not qualify.
If you want to treat all animals as lesser beings then that's fine by me, it doesn't make humans "special". ------------- What? |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 18:16
The question isn't judgemental (and I'm not emotional) - I have'nt implicated any moral values in my reasoning.....I've only been arguing rationally. And since I'm eating animals myself, why would I be judgemental? By logic, doesn't it follow that if you eat animals you have to justify the killing of them? Maybe it goes without saying. Everyone who eats animals justifies the killing of them - is that controversial? If you are saying that humans are not special in relation to other creatures, the question is unavoidable - if all creatures are seen as being at equal level , how is it possible to justify killing animals? I think it's a necessary prerequisite that humans see themselves as being of a higher nature compared to animals in order to justify killing them. Don't answer if you find it offensive.You didnt want a discussion after all.
That in the beginning man was living a more primitive life , living with habits and actions forced out of necessity. The more you harness nature, and creating machines to do work previously made by hand, the more you will free yourself from acting out of necessity, and you can adopt new ways. You will have more options in dealing with anything. You can choose to eat anything you like. Today is the information age, we can research everything easily with internet and we can question and discuss everything. We have readily available information about nutrients and cooking to carry out a switch to vegetarian diet and sustain it without sacrifising the pleasure of eating good food.
That's absurd.
If aliens visited earth, which creature would interest them the most do you think? Humans distinguish themselves from other animals, it is unquestionable. So how do we define the word "special"? Thefreedictionary says " Surpassing what is common or usual"; Distinct among others of a kind". |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 18:33
You would have thought so... however:
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html" rel="nofollow - Pre-industrial workers had a shorter workweek than today's(quote: "One of capitalism's most durable myths is that it has reduced human toil")
Also, http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/middle-ages-holidays.htm" rel="nofollow - there were more holidays (not vacations, but holy-days) - even in pre-christian times there was a religious feast or feastival roughly every six weeks - neolithic monolithic monuments are basically prehistoric holiday planners...
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 19:17
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There are a few jokes and one of them is ..... What is the difference between a Vegan and a Vegetarian? .... answer: The Vegan will tell you he is vegan as soon as you meet him. Ok true but think about it, how much they see and have to deal with i.e. tv, supermarkets, streetvendors etc all selling meat products which are considered corpses to vegans really. One must see the others point of view thus to me a vegan can brief me anytime their views really.
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Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: February 02 2013 at 21:44
Hehe - tell me about it! Classic Rock's Prog Rock Magazine ran a campaign some time back: "Drink tea and listen to prog." That about sums up my lifestyle. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 05:36
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Here's a musician that had been force to be vegetarian: Carl Palmer has gone vegan after the attack of E.coli that forced him to call off Asia’s 30th anniversary UK tour – and he admits the illness brought him closer to death than he’d ever been. The cancellation of December’s shows marked the first time Palmer had missed a tour in his career. But he’s explained there was good reason. The drummer tells: “I got it from a casino in New York. It was about ten days into the tour and everything seemed to go down in my stomach and I was fine. My immune system managed to tackle it at first. “Within two days my intestinal area just blew up. I got into a specialist in the centre of London and they said, ‘Wow, this is really bad.’ They drew a line on my stomach and told my wife that if the redness and swelling went above that line, she had to call this number. They had a quarantine room in a hospital ready for me to go into if that happened.
“It was eight weeks of absolute hell. I had to take these antibiotics that were the size of torpedoes – you would take one and just fall over. I managed to get through it, but it was hard.” Palmer has since toured with his solo band and he’s started work on Asia’s upcoming album Valkyrie with new guitarist Sam Coulson, who replaced Steve Howe in January. But his illness has changed his life for good. “I have become a Vegan,” he reveals. “I don’t eat any dairy, cheese, milk, meat or whatever. My tastes have changed – fish and meat taste wrong to me. I don’t know why that is; it’s not a moral thing to me. I would have eaten all the cows you could send down the hallway to me. I just no longer like the taste; that’s the problem.” While the infection will never fully leave his system, he’s determined never to fall so ill again. “I can really see why old people die,” he reflects. “I don’t know if I would be this strong a second time around.” On the other hand, he considers: “I actually feel more energised now. It could have all been a bit of luck – it could have been that God said to me, ‘Hey, you need to smarten up and change your diet.’ “I have to be super careful that I don’t trigger this again. It’s the closest I have ever been to death; I’ll put it to you that way.” from classic rock------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 14 2013 at 06:14
I'm puzzled by this: why should anyone's chosen diet be worthy of respect (as if such was a selfless act or sacrifice?) and if a vegan describes a meat product as a corpse, that's just emotive language designed to undermine meat eaters. Surely you can see through this: those who profess to inhabit the moral high ground often end up with a nosebleed BTW I am rude. ------------- 
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Posted By: Polania
Date Posted: November 05 2013 at 13:44
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I think people who call others who choose a very healthy diet regressive ARE themselves regressive or at least ignorant... because they have no will to research the subject. There are lots of proggers who are vegans or vegetarians, like Steven Wilson and Omar Rodriguez-Lopes, to name just a few. I just simply cannot understand those people who claim vegan diet is not progressive :) It's the only diet that will make you heart-attack proof, moreover, it's the only one which REVERSES heart disease. The blood of vegans fights the cancer cells 8 times better than the blood of other people! And, oh boy, you can all look up this on the 'pubmed' website! They also have a research there which states that smarter people tend to become vegetarians more often! So yes, kind of a regressive way of eating and living, isn't it? ha-ha Although I never ever tell others what to eat unless they ask for advice. I would be very happy to meet other people who choose this kind of lifestyle and listen to prog at the same time. Finding veg-an is so hard, finding any progger in real life is even more difficult to do, both - not realistic at all. However, it would be heaven to meet such a person!
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: November 05 2013 at 14:01
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Hi Polania, Welcome on PA, what a introduction! I think they might be more vegetarians and proggers than we can imagine, but it's another task to meet them! ------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |