Court or Wake? King or Posieden?
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Topic: Court or Wake? King or Posieden?
Posted By: Snow Dog
Subject: Court or Wake? King or Posieden?
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 03:49
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Let us see how many actually prefer the sequel to the seminal debut.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 03:59
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1 nil......
ohhh...2 nil! 4-1! And the fans are on their feet! 4-2 and is this the start of a comeback? 5-2...King are piling on the pressure. 5-3, the lower division team sure are gritty and determined.
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:01
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as i said in the other thread, no debate for me. the debut is one of my favorite albums ever and i think it is one of the best albums ever made. Wake is good but doesn't come close for me.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:01
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In the Court may have lost its sparkle, but In The Wake is like a wake - not terribly enjoyable at all. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:02
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Hercules wrote:Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:11
| Oddly I play Wake more than Court. Its a lot heavier. The debut is almost too pretty like some sumptious work of art to be admired from a distance only. |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:12
I'll vote for the Wake, I really just love the title track, Cat Food, Pictures of a City, Cadence. The only real stinker is Devil's Triangle. I still like In the Court though, it's maybe my 7th favorite KC record.
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Posted By: HarbouringTheSoul
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:26
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The first sides invite direct comparisons, and Court always comes out on top. "Pictures of a City" is too comfortable in its lumbering groove to achieve the sheer trauma of "21st Century Schizoid Man", not to mention the lyrics are atrocious ("spice ice dance chance" - is this a nursery rhyme or what?). "In the Wake of Poseidon" comes close to matching the simple elegance of "Epitaph", but what always irks me is how each verse ends rather unresolved. A song like this doesn't benefit from subverting the listener's expectations, harmony-wise. Plus, it lacks a real chorus. "Cadence and Cascade" is pretty good, but the melody is simply not as memorable as "I Talk to the Wind". The second sides are different, but still Court wins out. "The Devil's Triangle" and "Moonchild" are just about equally pointless, content-less and dull, but at least the latter has the first two minutes going for it. And while "Cat Food" is kind of amusing, it's obviously no match to Court's title track. The "Peace" tracks are okay, but hardly a substantial part of the album. So in other words, Court wins on every count. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:35
Wake pretty easily 
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 04:49
| It's been too long since I've heard In the Wake of Poseidon. I only have it on record. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:04
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"The Devil's Triangle" actually is based on "Mars, the Bringer of War" from the "Planet Suite" by Gustav Holst. It is actually a real shame King Crimson gave no credits whatever to him on that album, especially when you think of how fussy Robert Fripp is with having his own work used against his will. Just compare; you can find both on YouTube. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:08
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Please, no video in my thread. We all know the songs ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:10
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I sincerely doubt everyone knows the "Planet Suite" by Gustav Holst. There are of course people who do, but everyone? No. But since this is your post I will oblige to your wish. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:16
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^I appreciate you removing the video. You could have the links to the video here of course.
Here is Holst http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0bcRCCg01I And here is the evils Triangle.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FneEa7F1UA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FneEa7F1UA
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:52
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I go with the minority this time. The albums are quite similar in a way and though In the Wake of Poseidon may be of less historical importance than its illustrious predecessor, I think it's an improvement. Moreover, it has no Moonchild on it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 05:56
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ITCOTCK. The sequel only repeats the ideas that were already present in the debut (and in Holst's suite, of course). ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:35
| Ok we all know both are similar. For me the debut as a whole is better and more focused and it has that particular sound that makes it even more special. A classic album with even a classic cover. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:41
I confess, if I want to hear Holst's magnificent work reinterpreted, I'd far sooner listen to Solar Fire by Mannfred Mann's Earthband than anything King Crimson have tried. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 06:43
I like ELPowells version too. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 07:01
| I always liked "The Devil's Triangle", and despite the recent revelations (my knowledge of Holst and other classic composers is minimal at best), I still find it cool sounding. "Cat Food" remains my favorite track by far of ITWOP, but it's still not as quite at the level of the title track, 21CSM and "Epitaph" off the debut, so the debut wins out. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 07:36
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In the court because of Lake ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 09:08
| Both albums have great music, but the debut is more powerful. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 10:09
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Snow Dog, I'm with ya on the video embeds. Every time there's a few videos on a page in a thread, that page takes a hell of a lot longer to load, at least for me.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 10:20
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I really don't understand, whether the corruption of the word "Posieden" is wilful or not. Nevertheless, "In the Court of the Crimson King" is indisputably a groundbreaking album, one of the most important in the whole Prog history; whereas "In the Wake of Poseidon" probably tried to parasitize on the fame of its predecessor. Not bad album at all, but maybe even too blatantly repeats some musical techniques and motifs from the debut. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 10:40
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Poseidon by far. Much of the debut sounds quaint to me by comparison. Of course, it was the debut which opened the doors for me, and was originally my favorite of the two, but decades on, that view has changed. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 10:43
Yes.
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:18
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In The Court by a hair. -------------  
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:20
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In The Wake should work, as all the ingredients are there. But for whatever reason, it just doesn't.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:21
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i wonder if there is a concept that binds hte albums together what is the story behind the Court, the theme and what is the story or theme behind In Wake is it concept album or is it a double album linked concept which is very loose -------------  
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:34
At first glance, In the Court seems like a cry for help in the modern world, ill and almost destroyed (though, there are sure medieval overtones, to add the contrast), and In the Wake seems like a full return to the ancient age, settling in its beauty and mysteriousness. It's more of a peaceful album, but then again there's The Devil's Triangle, which contrasts the mood present throughout the album (and possibly Cat Food). I am probably missing a lot here, but it may help. I don't think there's a special connection between the albums thematically.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:43
You could have pointed out that I had made a spelling mistake rather than behaving like an ass. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 11:58
Islands is much better than Posieden and In The Court even more so. In my opinion of course. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 12:01
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ITCOTCK, but I love Poseidon as well. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 12:09
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I prefer Poseidon.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 12:10
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Again, gonna go with the big tits
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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 12:57
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 13:38
Yep, that is fantastic  As to the poll, the debut wins hands down for me every time. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 14:04
| Very tough decision. Both have their strong points and weak points. I'll chose court since in some ways(mainly because of side one) Wake is a copycat of the original. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 14:45
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Debut, of course.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 14:47
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Wake is better. The debut is the definition of overrated. In my opinion. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 14:56
Ditto. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 15:34
I have always seen the two albums as being like twins. I grew up with a pair or twins, and there are a lot of misconceptions concerning them. Though obviously very similar, they are different and distinct from one another for those who truly get to know them; their characteristics diverge more as they get older and gain separate experiences. They cannot be born at the exact same time, even a few minutes creates distinctions. They are not clones. KC was very prolific in their early stages, and these two albums came out close to one another. Still, the King leaves Poseidon in his wake, but I think both are great albums, and everybody should listen to them as two separate albums. Similar for sure, but not the same.  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 15:45
 ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 17 2013 at 15:52
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The debut ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 02:03
So do I. btw Powell was doing it live before he joined ELP and used Tomita's excellent version as a backing track.
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 04:41
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In the court of the crimson king. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 05:06
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Perhaps due to overexposure to the debut, Ive been enjoying ITWOP a lot more in the last few years. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 05:38
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I could never explain to myself why I should like the Court. It it often referred to as the mold-breaker and trendsetter, but I believe the particular sub-genre that ITCOCK represents had been already established by another English band that happened to have recorded Sgt. Pepper, Yellow Submarine and Magical Mystery Tour before ITCOCK. To sum up ITCOCK: it starts with crazy and continues with lazy, and there is a lot of nonsensical lyrics and cool (for 1969) sound effects and the 'tron and such. There is a strange two-tone, bare-bone, rudimentary feel to its music.
At the same time Poseidon, IMO, is a little richer and more "rounded" and versatile, while Lizard and the Islands are even better. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 18 2013 at 08:38
| Wake for me. |