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Topic: Odd-numbered years better for prog?
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: Odd-numbered years better for prog?
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 11:34
Looking through my collection, I noticed that most of the best prog and jazz/fusion albums came out in odd-numbered years. That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years, but there is a substantial difference. This is especially apparent in modern prog, years like 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2011 seem to have a lot of great albums released by various bands and artists, much more than the even numbered years. 2013 seems to be heading that way too.
Anyone else notice this and can comment?

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 11:40
Funny you should mention that, I've actually thought the exact same thing. I had been looking through my albums from the 70s and 71, 73, 75, 77 and 79 all seem a little more fruitful than the years going up to em. Coincidence yes, but it's still pretty uncanny.
Latter years I'm not that sure, but 11 beats 12 imo.


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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:28
This applies for my music library. Nice find. Clap
(I'm expecting a lot from this year, now, though. LOL)


Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:33
1972, anyone?

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Posted By: elbownut
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:42

1972 figures stron in the PA top ablums chart

Would agree that with the exception of '72, the odd years tend to figure more in my collection ( oh I forgot about last year Confused)


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 12:53
Even numbered:
  • Close To The Edge
  • Relayer
  • Thick As A Brick
  • Heavy Horses
  • Trespass
  • Foxtrot
  • Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
  • Trick Of The Tail
  • H To He Who Am The Only One
  • Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
  • Still Life
  • Red
  • Lizard
  • Octopus
  • You
  • Crime Of The Century
  • Demons And Wizards
  • 2112
  • Hemispheres
  • Permanent Waves
  • Moon Madness
  • Mirage
  • Spirit Of Eden
  • Per Un Amico
  • Ys
  • Storia Di Un Minuto
  • L'isola di neinte
  • Darwin!
  • Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
  • Operation Mindcrime
  • Space Shanty
  • Soft Machine 1 & III
  • Leftoverture
  • Peter Gabriel 3
  • Phaedra
  • In The Region Of The Summer Stars
  • Red Queen To Gryphon Three
  • Emerson, Lake and Palmer
  • Trillogy
  • Moving Waves
  • Saucerful Of Secrets
  • Atom Heart Mother
  • Utopia
Ermm bang goes that theory.
 
 


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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:09
Originally posted by Dean

Even numbered:



  • Close To The Edge
  • Relayer
  • Thick As A Brick
  • Heavy Horses
  • Trespass
  • Foxtrot
  • Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
  • Trick Of The Tail
  • H To He Who Am The Only One
  • Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
  • Still Life
  • Red
  • Lizard
  • Octopus
  • You
  • Crime Of The Century
  • Demons And Wizards
  • 2112
  • Hemispheres
  • Permanent Waves
  • Moon Madness
  • Mirage
  • Spirit Of Eden
  • Per Un Amico
  • Ys
  • Storia Di Un Minuto
  • L'isola di neinte
  • Darwin!
  • Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
  • Operation Mindcrime
  • Space Shanty
  • Soft Machine 1 & III
  • Leftoverture
  • Peter Gabriel 3
  • Phaedra
  • In The Region Of The Summer Stars
  • Red Queen To Gryphon Three
  • Emerson, Lake and Palmer
  • Trillogy
  • Moving Waves
  • Saucerful Of Secrets
  • Atom Heart Mother
  • Utopia

Ermm bang goes that theory.

 

 

Indeed


Posted By: elbownut
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:17
I think most would agree that years beginning with 1 , 9, and 7 were the best . Wink

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:18
Years beginning with 9 and 7 would then be before the crusades?TongueClown

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:22
Originally posted by Dean

Even numbered:
  • Close To The Edge
  • Relayer
  • Thick As A Brick
  • Heavy Horses
  • Trespass
  • Foxtrot
  • Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
  • Trick Of The Tail
  • H To He Who Am The Only One
  • Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
  • Still Life
  • Red
  • Lizard
  • Octopus
  • You
  • Crime Of The Century
  • Demons And Wizards
  • 2112
  • Hemispheres
  • Permanent Waves
  • Moon Madness
  • Mirage
  • Spirit Of Eden
  • Per Un Amico
  • Ys
  • Storia Di Un Minuto
  • L'isola di neinte
  • Darwin!
  • Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
  • Operation Mindcrime
  • Space Shanty
  • Soft Machine 1 & III
  • Leftoverture
  • Peter Gabriel 3
  • Phaedra
  • In The Region Of The Summer Stars
  • Red Queen To Gryphon Three
  • Emerson, Lake and Palmer
  • Trillogy
  • Moving Waves
  • Saucerful Of Secrets
  • Atom Heart Mother
  • Utopia
Ermm bang goes that theory.
 
 


First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare.

But also:
Originally posted by darkshade

That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years



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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:28
The Crusades.... man those were the days....

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 13:32
Originally posted by HolyMoly

The Crusades.... man those were the days....


I hear volley ball was quite hip back in those days, and as anybody who knows anything'll tell you, then volley ball was a overt gesture towards the making of prog rock(the ball was at the time made out of granite, which makes it one of the first controlled flying rocks - ie prog rock). 


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- Douglas Adams


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 14:09
Originally posted by darkshade


First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare.

I could, and so could you. But there is no reason to do that - the point I was making, (and I think it is made sufficiently as to not require any further examples), is that there is no odd-even correlation at all. And if it doesn't work for the 70s then why bother with the other decades?
Originally posted by darkshade


But also:
Originally posted by darkshade

That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years

And when there is an acceptably balance between even and odd year-numbers in the Top albums then it is safe to assume that if we measure good years by the number of great albums then, again, there is no odd-even correlation at all.
 
When there is not logical explanation why there should be a correlation then any perceived correlation will be in question.


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 14:19
Originally posted by Guldbamsen

 
I hear volley ball was quite hip back in those days, and as anybody who knows anything'll tell you, then volley ball was a overt gesture towards the making of prog rock(the ball was at the time made out of granite, which makes it one of the first controlled flying rocks - ie prog rock). 
LOL
 
A truly accurate statement concerning the nature of statistics!  I often find myself split between the odd and even numbers of almost everything.


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Posted By: Ajay
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 16:55
The Mayans. I blame the Mayans.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 17:27
I still enjoy 2010 (by going with ratings I'd give out and number of albums vying for my top 10 of the year) the most since I've been paying attention to music for such things (roughly around 07/08).


And yes, I know I'm the only one who has these thoughts.

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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 18:55
I would agree with this theory, at least in the 21st century. 05, 07, 09, and 11 were great years for prog albums, IMO. 

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Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 19:28
The Mantle isn't even #1 for 2002.
 
Enough said.


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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 20:00
Originally posted by Dean

Originally posted by darkshade

First off, that's only 70s albums there have been many years that decade ended. Do another list and include odd-numbered albums, and we'll compare.


I could, and so could you. But there is no reason to do that - the point I was making, (and I think it is made sufficiently as to not require any further examples), is that there is no odd-even correlation at all. And if it doesn't work for the 70s then why bother with the other decades?

Originally posted by darkshade

But also:
Originally posted by darkshade

That's not to say that great albums didn't come out in even-numbered years

And when there is an acceptably balance between even and odd year-numbers in the Top albums then it is safe to assume that if we measure good years by the number of great albums then, again, there is no odd-even correlation at all.

 

When there is not logical explanation why there should be a correlation then any perceived correlation will be in question.

Dean's right. If there were anything to it, why would it not apply equally to the 70s? It sounds perhaps like a streak. Even if there were a genuine imbalance, streaks happen. If they didn't no one would get excited about gambling. But I'm not convinced there's any skewing at all, because there's no method of arriving at inter-rater reliability. What gets counted or not counted is simply subjective.


Posted By: Gleinile
Date Posted: March 15 2013 at 21:43
How to listen to lounge music? and What clubs/lounges in downtown Houston play electronic dance musi?


Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 02:34
I've found that lots of my favourite albums do come from odd numbered years, but I think it's just a coincidence. There are plenty of great albums from even numbered years too.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 03:09
Kid A is easily my favourite from any prog album I have heard that dates 2000 or later and it is from, well, 2000.  So it can only be a coincidence.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 03:30

There is one factor that could give rise to an apparent odd-even distribution of albums, and that is the tendency for popular artists to release albums at two-year intervals (Dream Theater, Riverside, Pain Of Salvation, Phideaux, Ayreon and Porcupine Tree have fallen into this biennial periodicity in recent years and not all of them hit odd-year steps) - this is easily explained by how long it takes to go through the "write-record-release-promote-tour" cycle once a band has become established (less established bands have less intensive tour regimes) - this is further supported by those "odd-year" bands releasing "even-year" live albums (and vice versa).

So basically, if your favourite artists hit the big-time on an odd-numbered year then they will continue to release studio albums on odd year periods.

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If you cannot be wise, pretend to be someone who is wise and then just behave like they would - Neil Gaiman


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 16 2013 at 04:15
1975 is one of the best years - But I loved the 2012 albums too so it really is irrelevant whether its odd or even year.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:36
Originally posted by Dean

Even numbered:
  • Close To The Edge
  • Relayer
  • Thick As A Brick
  • Heavy Horses
  • Trespass
  • Foxtrot
  • Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
  • Trick Of The Tail
  • H To He Who Am The Only One
  • Least We Can DO Is Wave To Each Other
  • Still Life
  • Red
  • Lizard
  • Octopus
  • You
  • Crime Of The Century
  • Demons And Wizards
  • 2112
  • Hemispheres
  • Permanent Waves
  • Moon Madness
  • Mirage
  • Spirit Of Eden
  • Per Un Amico
  • Ys
  • Storia Di Un Minuto
  • L'isola di neinte
  • Darwin!
  • Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
  • Operation Mindcrime
  • Space Shanty
  • Soft Machine 1 & III
  • Leftoverture
  • Peter Gabriel 3
  • Phaedra
  • In The Region Of The Summer Stars
  • Red Queen To Gryphon Three
  • Emerson, Lake and Palmer
  • Trillogy
  • Moving Waves
  • Saucerful Of Secrets
  • Atom Heart Mother
  • Utopia
Ermm bang goes that theory.
 
 
 
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:25
It's a conspiracy I tell you! A conspiracy!

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:33
In all honesty, I think we as humans are destined to look for patterns - even where there is no need or justification for it. It's the same way a thing like reading works. Once learned, you'll never come across a word or sentence, that you don't try to read. In that way we are slaves of the mind.
The major difference between the two though, is that we are decisively more individual in our thought patterns and how we tend to apply them. 
So naturally we are bound to have folks who find correlations between brilliant albums and the years they were produced in. It's still very much according to individual taste. 


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- Douglas Adams


Posted By: ScarRitual
Date Posted: March 29 2013 at 07:42
You gotta be kidding!

1972- Close To The Edge
1974- Relayer

'Nuff said! :D


Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: March 30 2013 at 04:41
The current Top 100 albums on PA have 1972 albums in 1st & 2nd place.  Plus another 40 even-years albums further down the list. 
42% vs 58% isn't a sufficiently large gap to matter.  33% vs 66% would be that point, I reckon.


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