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Topic: Have these bands been forgotten by most prog fans?
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Subject: Have these bands been forgotten by most prog fans?
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 14:36
With all the younger music fans getting into prog these days it seems that many of them are forgetting about some of the important but lesser known older bands. Sure they know about Yes, ELP, PF, KC, Genesis and a few others but it seems some of them have gone under the radar. I'm not even sure how familiar most younger fans are with Gentle Giant. With all the new stuff that comes out or gets discussed it's easy to get sidetracked by prog bands from the past ten to fifteen years or so and forget about the older ones.

So I'm wondering if you feel these bands have been neglected. I'll list about twenty or so. Also, if you are under 40 please state that too(if you want) so I know you weren't into these bands 20 plus years ago.


These are just some bands off the top of my head:

Nektar
Barclay James Harvest
Triumvirat
Twelfth Night (from the 80's)
Mastermind (90's band)
Mannfred Mann's earth band
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo)
Procol Harum
The Strawbs
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Eloy
Starcastle
Happy the Man
Crack the Sky (more art rockish)
Focus
Argent
Renaissance
Gong
Supersister
Clearlight (French band)
Finch
Ange
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Atomic Rooster
Colosseum
Greenslade
Cast (90's band from Mexico)
FM
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

Please add any band you feel is significant but overlooked from around 1967 or so up to the 90's. The 90's or 80's could be another thread entirely. The point is to not have them be too recent.


I saw Nektar mentioned on another prog site and it got me thinking. If Nektar aren't mentioned much in prog circles(especially these days)then probably most older bands aren't. With all the newer stuff coming out it seems that most prog fans especially younger ones get caught up in the flavor of the week and either forget about or don't bother searching out long lost classics or bands that maybe sang in a foreign language. Lots of good stuff out there pre 2000, pre 1990 and of course pre 1980.









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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 14:39
Genesis is better though..

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Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:08
Good list.I agree that many younger fans know little of these bands. At 49, I don't know a few myself! I have introduced a young friend of mine to Manfred Mann, Eloy, and The Move and he loves them all. On the flip side, my girlfriend hates almost all my prog music. Oh, well.

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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:14
I'm a young guy (as in 21 next month), and I like a lot of them, especially Renaissance, Crack the Sky, Happy the Man, and Gong. I've also seen 3 out of those 4

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:16
Nektar  I like only the first album
Barclay James Harvest Never checked them enough
Triumvirat Same As Above
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) Same
Mastermind (90's band) Who?
Mannfred Mann's earth band I still listen to them sometimes.
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) 5 Bridges suite is one of my fav tracks ever
Procol Harum Great. 
The Strawbs Sometimes but I don't love them too much
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) Sometimes but not a fan
Eloy A band that I still love
Starcastle Nice clone. Not bad.
Happy the Man Never heard
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) Totally unknown to me
Focus Just Hocus Pocus 
Argent Nexus is not bad but it's the only thing I know of them
Renaissance In my top 10 bands
Gong Together with Renaissance
Supersister Not bad
Clearlight (French band) Never heard
Finch  Love Glory Of The Inner Force
Ange I think I miss something
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Three bands I don't know
Atomic Rooster Good but non essential
Colosseum Another big band. They have one of the best lives of the history
Greenslade Good band but I don't know much
Cast (90's band from Mexico) Unknown
FM Same
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

There's a lot of great stuff out of the traditional countries.


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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:29
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:33
I am familiar to one degree or another with most of these bands and I have not forgotten them.  Indeed, I have been (re)discovering many of them over the last few years.  But then I am not among the younger crowd here.  Are most Prog fans younger?  Or Older?  At 52, I count myself older.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:44
Originally posted by Progosopher

I am familiar to one degree or another with most of these bands and I have not forgotten them.  Indeed, I have been (re)discovering many of them over the last few years.  But then I am not among the younger crowd here.  Are most Prog fans younger?  Or Older?  At 52, I count myself older.
I'm 51. At least younger than you Big smileLOL


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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:51
Fixed my previous post.

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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 15:54
I'm 34. As I'm Dutch myself, I know all about Focus and Supersister. Renaissance and Eloy are also big favourites of mine. The others bands I don't know too well, but I'm checking out some of them. Procol Harum is quite good, but I'm not impressed by Barclay James Harvest.

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:09
Nektar - never stuck with me
Barclay James Harvest - meh
Triumvirat - decent (though I'm mostly unfamiliar)
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - thumbs up
Mastermind (90's band) - Idk them
Mannfred Mann's earth band - lol
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - never listen to, but do know of
Procol Harum - meh
The Strawbs - good
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - top notch
Eloy - good to very good
Starcastle - average to my ears (but I was never the biggest yes fan around)
Happy the Man - top notch
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - don't know
Focus - good to very good
Argent - don't know
Renaissance - enjoyable (though a bit out of my taste range at times)
Gong - love
Supersister - pretty good (if uneven to my ears)
Clearlight (French band) - good to very good
Finch - don't know
Ange - good (though mostly unfamiliar)
Rare Bird - don't know
Captain Beyond - ditto
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - SGS is excellent
Atomic Rooster - good
Colosseum - good to very good
Greenslade - don't know
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - ditto
FM - fitto

I feel like I had a point in doing this.

Guess I didn't.

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Posted By: imaginedmind
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:16
Nektar Never heard of em
Barclay James Harvest Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
Triumvirat Never heard
Twelfth Night
Never heard
Mastermind
Never heard
Mannfred Mann's earth band
Love them
The Nice Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
Procol Harum Like a couple of their songs but generally not a fan
The Strawbs
Love them
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) Like them
Eloy Never heard
Starcastle Never heard
Happy the Man Love them
Crack the Sky Never heard
Focus Love them
Argent Never heard
Renaissance Love Them
Gong Love them
Supersister Love them
Clearlight Never heard
Finch Never heard
Ange Never heard
Rare Bird Never heard
Captain Beyond Never heard
Cathedral Never heard
Atomic Rooster Not a fan
Colosseum Never heard
Greenslade Never heard
Cast Never Heard
FM Never heard
Just about any seventies Italian band (PFM)
Just about any seventies French band (Harmonium, Morse Code, Magma)
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England. (Bo Hansson, Eden, Kebnekajse, Earth And Fire, Anglagard)

I also think Egg, Hatfield & The North, Family, Caravan, Camel (too well known?), National Health, Illusion, Supertramp (too well known?), & Van der Graaf Generator (too well known?).  (I'm less than 40)


Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:18
Devil Doll
Gryphon
Gnidrolog



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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:54
Forgotten?
 
Not by me!!
 
In there, you've got a good chunk of my record collection.
 
BJH - have 7 albums and they're very good to OK but their Live album is stunning
MMEB - have 6 albums and they're all good to very good
The Nice - have 2 albums, both good
Procul Harum - 3 albums, all good
Strawbs (NOT The Strawbs!) I think I have every album they ever recorded and some albums are complete masterpieces (From the Witchwood, Grave New World, Hero & Heroine)
Eloy - have 4 albums, all of which are very good
Focus - have 5 albums, Moving Waves beng the pick
Renaissance - have 7 albums (and 2 Illusion albums made by the original line up) all of which are excellent
Rare Bird - have 4 albums, As Your Mind Flies By being the best
Atomic Rooster - have 3 albums, Death Walks Behind You being the best
Colosseum - have 3 albums, all of which are very good
Greenslade - have 4 albums; love the music, don't like the vocals
 
Other criminally ignored bands: The Enid (have 7 albums: In the Region of the Summer Stars and Aerie Faerie Nonsense are brilliant), Uriah Heep (7 albums; Salisbury is their best), Gryphon (have everything; Midnight Mushrumps is the best whole side track ever and Red Queen their best album), 10cc (have 5 albums; the original "Art Rock" band - Sheet Music is brilliant), Be Bop Deluxe (have 5 albums; another superb "Art Rock" outfit). I don't think Caravan are as revered as they should be, either.
 
I'm sure there are others but I can't be bothered to trawl through 1500 albums to find them.
 
 


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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 16:54
I am well above forty .. from your list, I listen regularly to one and only band, namely Renaissance:

Nektar: heard them, not impressed
Barclay James Harvest: have them, very rarely listen to
Triumvirat: heard them, not impressed
Twelfth Night (from the 80's): heard them, not impressed
Mastermind (90's band): no idea
Mannfred Mann's earth band: had some great moments long agonot interesting any more
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo): had some great moments long agonot interesting any more
Procol Harum: have them, find rather boring to listen to
The Strawbs: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more
Banco (del mutuo soccorso): not bad at all, but couldn't tell them from other RPI bands of the same time period
Eloy: OK-ish for those who like band like Eloy
Starcastle: don't remember
Happy the Man: no idea
Crack the Sky (more art rockish): no idea
Focus: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more
Argent: no idea
Renaissance: a decent band with quite a few good albums - have them and listen to them
Gong: heard them - not impressed
Supersister: no idea
Clearlight (French band): no idea
Finch: no idea 
Ange: no idea
Rare Bird: heard of them
Captain Beyond: no idea
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories): heard of them
Atomic Rooster: had some good moments decades agonot interesting any more 
Colosseum: heard of them 
Greenslade: no idea
Cast (90's band from Mexico): no idea
FM: no idea




Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:07
People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.

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Posted By: Duke of Rother
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:21
Argonaught.

In what way are several of the bands "not interesting anymore" to you?

Is it because you find the music dated, or are you following the newer prog bands and, having moved with the times, find going back in time is just not for you?

Personally speaking I am still discovering new and old bands and find them equally rewarding but then I wasn't really listening to prog (beyond the obvious ones) back then so a lot of it, despite being 30/40 years old is still new to me.


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:52
QUOTE=Dean]People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.[/QUOTE]
 
Are you implying that these bands are lesser known and less good?
 
Because Barclay James Harvest, Focus, Renaissance, Strawbs and Mannfred Mann's Earth Band were all bigger than (say) Van de Graaf Generator and probably even King Crimson in terms of fans and record sales in the 70s. Uriah Heep also were massively bigger than either. They were not obscure then for sure.


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Posted By: RBlak054
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 17:53
I am nineteen and have admittedly only heard roughly a quarter of the bands on your list. I find it is commonly only the most popular and highest regarded bands that remain in the spotlight decades later, especially with a genre like progressive rock that does not have the same number of fans as many other types of music. Besides, with so much incredible music to discover, it makes sense that new fans are most familiar with the names that made the biggest impact on the scene!


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 18:09
I can't help but think ALL of the bands mentioned in that original post have a small devoted little following, and the Archives is perfect for bringing all the fans of those acts together!

Prog fans will continue to love, cherish and support these acts, and I'd hope all those artists feel humbled and a sense of pride being involved, no matter how long ago, in something that is still appreciated now, and slowly but surely adding a new fan here and there as they go!


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 18:14
Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by Dean

People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.
 
Are you implying that these bands are lesser known and less good?
 
Because Barclay James Harvest, Focus, Renaissance, Strawbs and Mannfred Mann's Earth Band were all bigger than (say) Van de Graaf Generator and probably even King Crimson in terms of fans and record sales in the 70s. Uriah Heep also were massively bigger than either. They were not obscure then for sure.
I'm implying nothing, I'm saying these bands are lesser known because they are less well known, they are less well known because a lesser number of people know about them, a lesser number of people know about them now because less people heard them "back in the day".
 
Van der Graaf Generator where less well known than many bands in the 70s, they sold fewer albums and had a smaller fan base, they were less popular then than many bands and they are less popular now than many bands, but they were more well known than most of the bands in the OP's list and even if there are a couple of bands in the list that may have had a higher level of short term popularity, the level of popularity VdGG enjoyed lasted longer than all of them. And that's just how it works - the longer you are in the public eye then more people will get to know you. To most of the 1970s record-buying public the bands you listed were known for: Mockingbird, Silvia, Northern Lights, Part Of The Union and Blinded By The Light - a few of those could possibly name a second track by a couple of them, I doubt that many could name a third - in other words, they were bigger for a very short period and then forgotten.


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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 18:56


Nektar:  Great band.  Maybe the third best on this list.
Barclay James Harvest:  Never heard.
Triumvirat:  Another really good band.
Twelfth Night (from the 80's):  Never heard.
Mastermind (90's band):  Never heard.
Mannfred Mann's earth band:  Love 'em.
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo): Can take or leave.
Procol Harum:  Never cared for them much
The Strawbs:  Hero & Heroine is very good.  Otherwise indifferent.
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)  Never really got into them.
Eloy:  Good.
Starcastle:  Very good group but too darn happy
Happy the Man:  Never heard.
Crack the Sky (more art rockish):  Never heard.
Focus:  Never did much for me.
Argent: Don't think of them as prog
Renaissance:  Second best group on list.
Gong:  Some days brilliant, some days not.
Supersister:  Never heard.
Clearlight ( http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92798#" rel="nofollow - French  band):  Pretty good instrumentals
Finch:  Never heard.
Ange:  I love French prog, but Ange seems just middle of the pack.
Rare Bird:  Never heard.
Captain Beyond:  Best group on the list by far.
Cathedral (US band that did 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=92798#" rel="nofollow - Stained Glass  Stories):  Never heard.
Atomic Rooster:  Never heard.
Colosseum:  Very very good.
Greenslade: Colosseum was better

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:02
And all of you who never heard Captain beyond need to find their first album ASAP, esp. the second side.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:23
Nektar - awesome esp their first 3 albums
Barclay James Harvest - i like some of their stuff
Triumvirat - great
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - okay
Mastermind (90's band) - who?
Mannfred Mann's earth band - okay for a few songs
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - essential
Procol Harum - essential to have a compilation
The Strawbs - okay
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - great RPI
Eloy - brilliant - I even have a thread dedicated to them here
Starcastle - ok
Happy the Man = ok
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - who?
Focus - essential
Argent - hold yr head!
Renaissance - awesome
Gong - terrific
Supersister - who?
Clearlight (French band) - ok
Finch - ok
Ange - good
Rare Bird - ok
Captain Beyond - good
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - who?
Atomic Rooster - essential
Colosseum - one good album
Greenslade- good
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - who?
FM - who?
Just about any seventies Italian band - great overall
Just about any seventies French band - great
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England. - well they are all great

not forgotten just not well known by those outside of the prog community


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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:25
Originally posted by Dean

People cannot forget what they never knew. There is a reason why obscure bands are obscure and lesser known bands are lesser known.



OK. Maybe neglected would be a better term. However, I kind of disagree here anyway. You would think that if someone was a real prog fan they would go searching stuff out and not just jump on whatever just happens to be thrown in front of them. You say how can they forget what they don't know but how do they even know of something in the first place. Prog isn't played on the radio. You have to look for it. But the internet(including many prog sites) is as responsible for just promoting the flavor of the week(only in the form of prog)as the radio is for all the non prog stuff.

All I had to do was look at the last ten reviews here. All stuff from the past ten years or so. I have noticed this. It wasn't like that ten years ago. But with the constant barrage of newer stuff the older stuff gets lost in the shuffle. That is my main point here. You either have to know about it(know of it)or go looking for it. Also, many of the responses here are very telling. Many of you aren't saying your age but I can only guess. For those fifty and older who don't know most of these bands shame on you for buying the last five Spock's Beard discs and not owning some of these that you missed the first time around. Yeah, I'm being preachy here. YOu got a problem with that? Wink

And for crying out loud stop saying "who?" about Mastermind. It's not like they aren't listed on progarchives. http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=237

Instead of saying "who?" which I find rather insulting (not to mention the name of a rock band who only had a few prog moves here and there ;) )I think I a better response would be "never heard of them" or "not familiar."


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:31
Mastermind? I dont know every band in existence but now I can look em up. So dont get so pent up about someone not knowing an obscure band.


EDIT:
ah, they are from the 1990s... now I can see as that era rarely appeals to me. hardly any reviews either...., still i can download from itunes this and see what they are like. Cheers!

Mastermind Angels of the Apocalypse  album cover


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:42
Actually this is easier to get hold of so thatll do


listening now and I like the heavy use of synths. I actually think they are very good musicians. there ya go - another discovery!


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:48
I'm 55, and I've heard and appreciate most of these bands.
With the amount of bands and music out there, is almost impossible to hear/know them all. Obviously some are well know, yes, genesis, Kc, Tull, etc, but a lot were/are not that lucky, a principle that applies not only to music, but to all forms of art.




Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 19:59
Nektar - Not discussed much
Barclay James Harvest - Ndm
Triumvirat - Not discussed hardly at all aside from being called an ELP clone
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - I've heard of them but I don't recall a discussion involving them
Mastermind (90's band) - Not sure who they are exactly
Mannfred Mann's earth band - Other than "Blinded By The Light" few talk about them anymore
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - Hugely influential to what became 'progressive rock' but not discussed
Procol Harum - Other than "Whiter Shade" few talk about them
The Strawbs - Probably only known these days for once having Wakeman
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - How popular were they outside Italy? One of the more discussed Italian bands today
Eloy - Not sure how popular they ever were but I read a lot about them
Starcastle - Described as a Yes clone
Happy the Man - Described as an American Gentle Giant
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - I'm vaguely familiar with them, don't hear much about them
Focus - AFAIK the most well known Dutch prog band
Argent - Not discussed much
Renaissance - I read a lot about them
Gong - Lots of people know who these guys are
Supersister - Not discussed much
Clearlight (French band) - I've never heard them and never hear about them
Finch - ditto 
Ange - Supposedly the most well known French prog band
Rare Bird - Not discussed much
Captain Beyond - Ndm
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - Ndm
Atomic Rooster - I hear/read quite a bit about them
Colosseum - ditto
Greenslade - Not discussed much
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - Heard of them, haven't heard their music or hear much about them
FM - Got airplay in Canada but not sure how well they did elsewhere. Some discussion once in awhile 

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 20:26
Really dig the Renaissance. Can't say anything about other acts on the OP's list.

There are so many bands out there, old and new. I don't think one would want to focus on all of them all the time. Some bands get to be more popular than others. It is what it is. I see no problem in that.


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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 20:29

[Ange - Supposedly the most well known French prog band]


No, that would be Magma.  Ange would probably be number two though. Gong had some French members but also members from other countries so they can't really be considered purely French.

In fact I didn't put Magma on the list because they are too well known. Same thing with PFM. I should have put Grobschnitt on the list though. Some bands get through the cracks and there seems to be a secret word of mouth thing going on in PA where some obscure bands get discussed but others even if they are still pretty famous(ie Nektar)not so much.


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Posted By: ginodi
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 20:29
Since getting on this site I have made up for lost time and ordered quite a few CDs (over 40), and lots of them were Italian Prog from the seventies. My six-year old loves Banco. I just ordered one each from Ange and Osanna. 



Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 20:33
Ok folks now for the mother ship list. Here is a similar list with many of the same bands from the first list but a bit more comprehensive. This one is strictly seventies(since it was initially intended for a local radio station who does an only seventies prog show once a year).  Have at it(I almost feel like I'm unleashing steak to a bunch of hungry sharks. ;) ). Many of these bands are pretty essential for the serious prog collector imo(your mileage may vary).



PFM (Premiata Forneria Marconi)
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Le Orme (these are considered the big three of Italian prog)
King Crimson (an obvious choice of course)
Gentle Giant (also rather obvious at least for those really into this stuff)
Hawkwind (well known space rock band)
Kraan (German band who were a bit in the jazz rock vein)
Can
Amon Duul II
Ash Ra Tempel (another German band and should be a virtual shoe in for Chuck's segment)
Eloy (The German Floyd)
The Strawbs
Nektar
Alan Parson's Project (maybe something from their first or Irobot)
Greenslade (overlooked band but fairly well known in prog circles)
England (no points for guessing what country these guys were from)
Flash (Yes offshoot band featuring Peter Banks)
Fruupp (similar to PG era Genesis but from Ireland)
Finch (instrumental symphonic from Netherlands)
Supersister
Focus (kind of obvious but just don't play hocus pocus since that's too obvious ;))
Kayak (another Dutch band)
Wigwam (Finnish band)
Magma (weird but great band and one of the most well known French prog bands of all time)
Ange (another French band but more in the Genesis/symphonic school of prog)
Clearlight
Gong
Van der Graaf Generator (one of my personal favorites-they could have been huge and were in Europe but never cracked the US much at all)
Chicago (I think some of their early stuff qualifies as prog but their later stuff seems to convince some people otherwise)
Kansas (ditto above but obviously were influenced by Yes, Genesis etc at least on their first five or so)
Happy the Man (one of the best US bands 70's prog bands)
Crack the Sky (also from the US and had some scattered success)
Fireballet (rather obscure US prog band that did a version of night on bald mountain)
Camel (a very important band in seventies prog-those who like mid seventies Genesis need to check them out)
Caravan (more of what is referred to as Canterbury-you guys opened the show last year with them which was very cool)
National Health (more jazzy but also in the Canterbury school)
Hatfield and the North (ditto above)
You already mentioned Renaissance and Soft Machine so I'll just add my approval (not that it matters much)
Kraftwerk (also kind of obvious but what the heck)
Tangerine Dream (ditto above-I'm sure Chuck will have them in his playlist)
Rush (Much of their mid to late seventies stuff was just as much prog as it was hard rock or metal)
FM (another Canadian prog band but far less known than Rush)
Harmonium (another Canadian band but I think they sang in French so they might not be appropriate)Far East Family Band (Kitaro's first band and often considered the Japanese Pink Floyd-might be hard to find though)
Ambrosia (Their early stuff before they went pop)
Journey (maybe some of the very early stuff before Steve Perry just to show people what this band were capable of)
Frank Zappa (Yes he does belong here since much of his stuff was very progressive especially in the late sixties and seventies)




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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 20:42
There are many bands on that list that I didn't really know about, some others that I have heard about well enough but haven't listened to yet (though I expect to do so at some time in the future), and a few others which I do know and like a lot, such as Focus, Renaissance, and Banco.


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 21:12
I'm 50, and 90 percent of the rock music i listen to and care about, prog or otherwise, is from the seventies-i have scores of lesser known bands from then that i truly admire. Wouldn't want it any other way.
        Triumvirat are my favorite band btw.

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Posted By: Master of Time
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 23:01
I'm 17

Nektar Love 'em

Barclay James Harvest Like em
Triumvirat Not a big fan
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) Not a big fan
Mastermind (90's band) Never heard of
Mannfred Mann's earth band Like em
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) Like em
Procol Harum Like em, and seen them live
The Strawbs    Love em
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) Like em
Eloy Love em
Starcastle  Like em
Happy the Man Like em
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) Heard of, never listened to
Focus Love em
Argent  Heard of, never listened to
Renaissance  One of my favorites
Gong  One of my favorites
Supersister  Heard of, never listened to
Clearlight (French band)  Heard of, never listened to
Finch  Heard of, never listened to
Ange  One of my favorites
Rare Bird  Never heard of
Captain Beyond  Not a big fan
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)  Love em
Atomic Rooster  Not a big fan 
Colosseum  Heard of, never listened to
Greenslade  They're okay
Cast (90's band from Mexico)  Never heard of
FM  Never heard of


Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 23:08
Looks like Mastermind has some of their albums on bandcamp as well.  I have, and like, the following:

Mastermind Volume Two "Brainstorm"
http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-volume-two-brainstorm" rel="nofollow - http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-volume-two-brainstorm

Mastermind III Tragic Symphony
http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-iii-tragic-symphony" rel="nofollow - http://mastermind.bandcamp.com/album/mastermind-iii-tragic-symphony

Warning, while the music is generally quite good, the vocals are generally quite not.  So I personally most recommend this one:

Mastermind Excelsior!

All instrumental!  And much more in the jazz fusion mode than the other two I know.
However I wasn't able to find a free streaming version of that one.

Apparently later albums have some nice female vocals.  I've not heard them.



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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 23:45
I've seen Mastermind twice. They were at the very first Nearfest back in 1999. They were a key band in the nineties prog scene but then sort of went off most people's radar. I saw them at a bar near me in 2004 or so. A really nice bunch of guys too. 

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 31 2013 at 23:47
I'll be 58 in a few months....I've seen many of these bands, my favorite in the pile is probably Captain Beyond (I saw them backing up Alice Cooper, 28 July 1972!).  I worked on their attempted comeback in 2001, but it was not to be.  RIP Rhino and Lee Dorman.  

However, nearly all of these bands have been discussed regularly on PA, either for specific albums or for the talent of individual artists in the bands.  

Starcastle?  I was friends with 'em.  

Happy the Man?  Check 'em out.  I've always liked them.  

NebelN'est is another band that could be added to the list....French lads, really talented!  

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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 01:41
Nektar - Great Band - love them!
Barclay James Harvest - Made some nice songs!
Triumvirat - Cool Band, at least their eralier releases!
Twelfth Night (from the 80's) - I like!
Mastermind (90's band) - ??
Mannfred Mann's earth band - Yeah, very good, although not all albums!
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo) - haven´t actually ever hear a song by them.
Procol Harum - Some good tunes, but I am not too familiar with them.
The Strawbs - ??
Banco (del mutuo soccorso) - Not a big fanof them but I enjoy some of their stuff!
Eloy - Love them!!
Starcastle - ??
Happy the Man - I only know and own Crafty Hands, which I kind of like!
Crack the Sky (more art rockish) - ??
Focus - Cool!
Argent - ??
Renaissance - OK
Gong - know some stuff but can´t really say much
Supersister - ??
Clearlight (French band) - ??
Finch - ??
Ange - Horrible, can´t stand them!
Rare Bird - ??
Captain Beyond - ??
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories) - Not too bad!
Atomic Rooster -??
Colosseum -??
Greenslade - ??
Cast (90's band from Mexico) - ??
FM - ??
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England:
NEUSCHWANSTEIN!!!!! Their album Battlement is a masterpiece!!!!! One of my all time Top 5 albums.


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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 01:56
I'm 23. I've heard of nearly every band listed on the provided list, but Focus is the only one I've actually checked out to any extent, and with much pleasure. I've also heard Manfred Mann's and Procol Harum's popular songs on the radio, but nothing aside from those.

I'm still pretty new to the prog scene. It doesn't mean I will never check these bands out, as I probably will sooner or later for some. As far as the classic prog acts go, I haven't even checked out everything from the Big 7 (Rush included). Part of it is that I don't limit myself to prog. I've begun exploring other types of music as well. There's just so much music to check out and so little time to listen to it. You can hardly fault one for not knowing all the classics, especially when trying to keep up with the modern and in-between eras as well. I do believe you are not trying to do that though. Smile


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:08
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller

Ok folks now for the mother ship list. Here is a similar list with many of the same bands from the first list but a bit more comprehensive. This one is strictly seventies(since it was initially intended for a local radio station who does an only seventies prog show once a year).  Have at it(I almost feel like I'm unleashing steak to a bunch of hungry sharks. ;) ). Many of these bands are pretty essential for the serious prog collector imo(your mileage may vary).



PFM  - excellent
Banco  - excellent
Le Orme - excellent but inconsistent
King Crimson - even when not brilliant, always interesting
Gentle Giant - good, but often disappear up their own backsides re complexity
Hawkwind - cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k.
Kraan  - ok but noodly
Can - excellent but inconsistent
Amon Duul II - intermittently excellent
Ash Ra Tempel - poor man's cosmiche hippy w.a.n.k
Eloy - ok but samey
The Strawbs - mediocre folk
Nektar - good but uneven
Alan Parson's Project - s.h.i.t.e.
Greenslade - excellent
England - ok but a tad derivative
Flash (Yes offshoot band featuring Peter Banks) - never heard
Fruupp - mediocre
Finch - excellent
Supersister - excellent
Focus - excellent
Kayak (another Dutch band) - never heard
Wigwam (Finnish band) - never heard
Magma - good but a tad overwrought in places
Ange - good but uneven
Clearlight - never heard
Gong - (apart from the airborne tea pot c.r.a.p) good
Van der Graaf Generator - brilliant
Chicago- brass rawk s.h.i.t.e.
Kansas - ok, borderline pomp
Happy the Man - brilliant
Crack the Sky - never heard
Fireballet - make Yes tribute bands sound original
Camel - good but often bland
Caravan - ok
National Health - excellent
Hatfield and the North - excellent
Renaissance - good
Soft Machine - ok
Kraftwerk - robotic mechanical s.h.i.t.e. (and deliberate, go figure)
Tangerine Dream - stoned German hippys I once saw in concert, none of them appeared to move (ever)
Rush - good
FM - never heard but Nash the Slash was in them I think?
Harmonium - ok but bland
Far East Family Band - never heard
Ambrosia - never heard
Journey - saw them live and lived to regret it - s.h.i.t.e.
Frank Zappa- good




Just as a point of interest/debate - why do you assume that Prog's longevity is best served by 'serious prog collectors'? Ain't those the guys who kill the butterflys in jars? Most of us come to PA to seek out interesting and adventurous music irrespective of what preceded it or followed on. We don't want to become curators in a museum do we?


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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:26
Discovering and learning to know music takes time and trial and error. It's only normal if some younger prog fans did not discover some or many of these bands yet, I'm 46 and I am only vaguely familiar with several of them.
They will discover them eventually if they want to, no worries.

I don't think younger proggers (or older ones for what matters) should give any priority to buying a 70's Greenslade album to buying Big Big Train's English Electric or the latest Glass Hammer album. There's a time for everything.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 04:45
I know what you mean Prog Traveller, I believe most people getting into prog these days are doing so via modern bands, simply because they have bigger coverage for their music and are easier to find. Of course the road to getting into more famous 70's bands from there is short, thanks to sites like this.

Happily I know all the bands from your list and like most of 'em, but sadly I can come up with even a more obscure list. 
About 90% of my music are 70's bands, I found out about modern prog after I got into 70's prog and I was so glad the torch have passed.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:10
I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:17
Originally posted by CPicard

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:20
Originally posted by octopus-4

Originally posted by CPicard

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.
Never heard the Nice ? Confused Manfred Mann ? ConfusedConfused Banco del Mutuo Soccorso ? ConfusedConfusedConfused Renaissance ? ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
Poisson d'Avril Wink

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:21
^ I suspect the accuser is in danger of being hoisted by his own Picard petardWink

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:23
Is this an April Fools thread?

How can one not have heard of most of those bands?


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:32
I thought we were still on March.....didn't realize that's the Jour de Poisson 

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:34
Definitely not March.





It's July!


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:39
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller

With all the younger music fans getting into prog these days it seems that many of them are forgetting about some of the important but lesser known older bands. Sure they know about Yes, ELP, PF, KC, Genesis and a few others but it seems some of them have gone under the radar. I'm not even sure how familiar most younger fans are with Gentle Giant. With all the new stuff that comes out or gets discussed it's easy to get sidetracked by prog bands from the past ten to fifteen years or so and forget about the older ones.

So I'm wondering if you feel these bands have been neglected. I'll list about twenty or so. Also, if you are under 40 please state that too(if you want) so I know you weren't into these bands 20 plus years ago.


These are just some bands off the top of my head:

Nektar
Barclay James Harvest
Triumvirat
Twelfth Night (from the 80's)
Mastermind (90's band)
Mannfred Mann's earth band
The Nice (one of the founders of prog imo)
Procol Harum
The Strawbs
Banco (del mutuo soccorso)
Eloy
Starcastle
Happy the Man
Crack the Sky (more art rockish)
Focus
Argent
Renaissance
Gong
Supersister
Clearlight (French band)
Finch
Ange
Rare Bird
Captain Beyond
Cathedral (US band that did Stained Glass Stories)
Atomic Rooster
Colosseum
Greenslade
Cast (90's band from Mexico)
FM
Just about any seventies Italian band
Just about any seventies French band
Heck just about any seventies band from any country other than England.

Please add any band you feel is significant but overlooked from around 1967 or so up to the 90's. The 90's or 80's could be another thread entirely. The point is to not have them be too recent.


I saw Nektar mentioned on another prog site and it got me thinking. If Nektar aren't mentioned much in prog circles(especially these days)then probably most older bands aren't. With all the newer stuff coming out it seems that most prog fans especially younger ones get caught up in the flavor of the week and either forget about or don't bother searching out long lost classics or bands that maybe sang in a foreign language. Lots of good stuff out there pre 2000, pre 1990 and of course pre 1980.







all the bands in the list exist so this cant be an April Fools joke. more about suggesting we havent heard of any of em


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:40
Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:43
Originally posted by Dean

Oh dear.
 
 
Scott, it is the happy Frenchman Mr. Picard who is joking with us, not Mr Traveller.

Yes..the thread was started in march. A bit obvious really.Shocked


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:44
Ah the Frenchman strikes again...... tho its almost 10pm here in Australia so April Fools is over for us

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:46
Now that we are joking, why don't we use Confused instead of stars to rate poor albums?



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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 05:49
Good grief, if I have to count with the time difference, how can I do a joke to the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or Australian forumites?!


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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 06:00
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush

Mastermind? I dont know every band in existence but now I can look em up. So dont get so pent up about someone not knowing an obscure band.


EDIT:
ah, they are from the 1990s... now I can see as that era rarely appeals to me. hardly any reviews either...., still i can download from itunes this and see what they are like. Cheers!

Mastermind Angels of the Apocalypse  album cover
GREAT ALBUM .THEY MADE AN  AMAZING  COVER  VERSION OF ELP 

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 06:36
To be honest I think this thread is rather uselss since this is PA, only the complete newbies or those reluctant to explore 70's music will be unfamilier with the majority of bands listed in the OP, regardless of age. It also sounds from the tone of that OP like Prog_Traveller has a problem with people listening to modern prog, or that it's some how inferior to the classics.

For the record I'm 27 with a collection of nearly a 1000 albums, with somewhere between a quarter and a third of which are all from the 70's. Not really surprising since I joined the site a week after I turned 20.


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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:18
Originally posted by CPicard

I think that the OP is trolling us: I never heard of any the bands he's talking and most of the names he wrote sound so phoney that I think he just made them up.

But mon Capitaine, ALL band names have been made up? by someone? at some point?


Posted By: DJMarkuss
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:21
I feature these artists you've listed on my weekly prog show, The Prog Rock Palace, kdvs.org, from 12-2 PM PST.  I really love the 70s-era prog and those more obscure bands, including some that you listed, are featured prominently.

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Posted By: Surrealist
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:02
I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.






Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:20
Oh God, he's back.

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 09:51
Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.





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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:00
I agree with Dean.   I heard of Renaissance completely by chance and if I had not checked out sub genre pages and the bands mentioned there, I may not have heard of the other bands mentioned in the OP either.   You don't often see these bands figuring in forum discussions either, so how does one get to know in the first place, let alone forgetting about their existence.  


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:01
Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:11
Originally posted by CPicard

Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry


Why, those fakers!!!!AngryAngryAngry


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:13
No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 10:54
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage

No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?

The sound quality of the Charly CD issue is crap.

The music is good but is easily my least favorite of the Trilogy.


Posted By: Eppingforest181
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 11:10
I'm (18)some older bands(slightly lesser known) I like although still pretty well known include : soft machine, camel, mahavishnu orchestra, jean luc ponty, magma, caravan, gentle giant, mothers of invention, eloy, and gong. that being said i don't a fair amount of the bands on the list you've posted 


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by Padraic

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage

No.  Never heard of any of them.  Umm hang on um .......
 
 
 
(PS Did some one call Flying Teapot C.R.A.P ?  Surely not?

The sound quality of the Charly CD issue is crap.

The music is good but is easily my least favorite of the Trilogy.
 
 I've only got it on Vinyl oddly.  But, either way glad you don't think the music is crap Big smile


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:15
Originally posted by Snow Dog

Originally posted by CPicard

Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.



Frankly, I suspect that most of the 70's Prog artists were also a fraud: there's a reason for the Beatles to stop performing live. There's a reason for Pink Floyd using synthesizers and effects or Rick Wakeman or Keith Emerson using electric keyboards instead of true pianos.
And don't start me about Fripp and its "Frippertronics", another proof that Prog artists are nothing but conmen and swindlers!!! Angry


Why, those fakers!!!!AngryAngryAngry
Pft! It's not exactly news - I have listened to Yessongs and Exit...Stage Left several times and I'm convinced they are recordings, perhaps I'm not using the right equipment but when I get the black plastic thing out of the paper sleeve thing the neither Yes nor Rush appear in my living room to give a live performance of the songs listed on the back of the cardboard thing. Fraudulent advertising to say the least.

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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:34
None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)



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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:55
Originally posted by lucas

None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)



^Okay, these ones are really, really obscure - except for the Cosmic Jokers, but I'm not sure this project was the best thing from Germany (at least, the musicians involved in it don't sound very enthusiastic about it).


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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:57
Some folks seem to be misunderstanding my intent and some seem to think I have bad intentions or am a troll. My friends, nothing could be further from the truth! Smile

I have a degree in sociology and therefore find it interesting that certain age groups tend be exposed to certain eras of prog while the younger fans give a wtf reaction many times when I mention these bands. Back in the day prog bands were either symphonic or not, heavy or not but usually weren't heavy plus complex etc. These days it's anything goes. Back then the bands followed certain unwritten rules more closely and in that sense things were maybe a bit more predictable compared to today. However, the point is many of you young fans are missing some great stuff and many of the older fans too. A lot of these bands go under the radar even in prog circles these days. THat is the point of this thread. It's not about being a hardcore collector. It's about being exposed. Don't get sucked into buying something just because it's new. Explore for yourself. I am not going to keep repeating myself here.


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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 12:59
This was not an April fool's joke folks. But maybe the  joke is on me. Tongue

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 13:54
Originally posted by CPicard

Originally posted by lucas

None of the bands cited are forgotten, anyone into prog has heard of them.

There are other bands/artists that recorded some fantastic music but that don't have that much echo those days :
Steel Mill
Castle Canyon
Narita
Rhesus O
Sacros
Fort Mudge Memorial Dump
Eishtlinn
Bergendy
Piramis
Games
Tamarisk
Space Art
Aquelarre
Mahagon
Diana Express
Egba
Wara
The Cosmic Jokers (w/ Klaus Schulze)



^Okay, these ones are really, really obscure - except for the Cosmic Jokers, but I'm not sure this project was the best thing from Germany (at least, the musicians involved in it don't sound very enthusiastic about it).
No Poissons here....I don't know any single band of the list


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Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:11
Mind if I contribute some bands wholly unmentioned so far?

Fields (Greenslade for children)
Arzachel (It's Egg with whatshisname)
Gotic (Spanish Flamenco Folk)
Buon Vecchio Charlie (RPI, and damn good too.)
If (Chicago from the UK)
Iceberg (Spanish Mahavishnu)
Isotope (Gary Boyle's fusion group)
Jukka Tolonen (Jazz rock from Sweden. Or Norway. Perhaps Findland. Maybe even Denmark.)
Marsupilami (Pass. But it's good.)
Murple (Penguin obsessed Italian stuff)
Paladin (A bit like Colosseum, less keyboards though.)
Solution (Mix Supersister with Caravan and Freddie Mercury.)
Trace (Dutch keyboard abuse)
Yellow Magic Orchestra (Japanese wonderment.)

These bands are all late 60's to late 70's (and drifting into the 80's as well) and really have some fantastic songs to discover, but they're lesser known because their whole albums aren't as solid as the well known ones which is why they're lesser known because people are more likely to have not bothered buying the albums when they first came out.

That's how it works right?

And thumbs up to the person who mentioned Gryphon, they baroque and roll!


Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:18
^
I am not the best prog expert, but I know them all (except Paladin).


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 15:09
Some other overlooked 70s bands which deserve a mention

Dzyan (excellent Krautrock/fusion from Mannheim, Germany)
Brainstorm (brilliant jazz rock from Germany)
Passport (same-band is still going!)
Beggar's Opera ( a cross between Heavy prog and Symphonic)
Quatermass (brilliant overlooked keyboard based trio)
Wallenstein (led by classically trained keys player-great)
Andromeda (great Heavy prog guitar based trio)


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2013 at 16:26
Originally posted by Canterzeuhl


Yellow Magic Orchestra (Japanese wonderment.)


There's a French animation movie - Approved for Adoption - which featured one of their songs: "Firecracker".
I won't say it will bring a new generation of fans, but it could do it.


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Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 07:02
I'm almost 49, started listening to prog in the '70s (Kansas, Yes, Rush, etc.) and I've never listened to any of those bands the OP posted. Heck, I haven't even heard of some of them.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 07:10
Originally posted by Jbird

I'm almost 49, started listening to prog in the '70s (Kansas, Yes, Rush, etc.) and I've never listened to any of those bands the OP posted. Heck, I haven't even heard of some of them.
 
You've never listened to Barclay James Harvest or Mannfred Mann's earth band or The Nice or Procol Harum or
The Strawbs or Focus or Argent or Renaissance or Gong or Greenslade?
Your prog listening has missed an awful lot!
 
 


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 02 2013 at 23:10
Solid list of bands that deserve to be listened to and in a true prog heads collection...imo.
I play at least 6 or 7 of those  bands-Strawbs, BJH, Procol, etc on a fairly regular basis... and the others every now and then.
 
 
 


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Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:11
Originally posted by chopper

Originally posted by Jbird

I'm almost 49, started listening to prog in the '70s (Kansas, Yes, Rush, etc.) and I've never listened to any of those bands the OP posted. Heck, I haven't even heard of some of them.
 
You've never listened to Barclay James Harvest or Mannfred Mann's earth band or The Nice or Procol Harum or
The Strawbs or Focus or Argent or Renaissance or Gong or Greenslade?
Your prog listening has missed an awful lot!
 
 

I tend to listen mainly to metal/hard rock though, and have since the late '70s.

I DO like other styles, I just don't actively seek other stuff out for the most part.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:17
Hard enough rock:
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:24
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy

Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.


Do you  also only read books that were written with a quill pen?
I prefer the pre electric sound, because then i know, it is actualy what was played, without any false delays ect.
Music died in the late part of the 1800's    Beer
 
NB: Early prog was all about manipulating sounds, wasent it ?


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 07:27
Originally posted by tamijo

Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy

Originally posted by Surrealist

I prefer the pre digital era Prog because I know for a fact the artists were actually playing the music.  If I even suspect that the bands or artist has been copy and pasting sound files, using someone elses samples or digitally altering the timing of the rhythm tracks.. it goes right into the trash can.  Why? Because they are not playing it.

There are kids releasing songs now on itunes that have never even held an instrument.  It's become silly and I won't support it.  You support that "Apple Garage Band" stuff, not me.


Do you  also only read books that were written with a quill pen?
I prefer the pre electric sound, because then i know, it is actualy what was played, without any false delays ect.
Music died in the late part of the 1800's    Beer
 
NB: Early prog was all about manipulating sounds, wasent it ?
Building a huge electronic device, make it sound like a string section.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 03 2013 at 16:50
In the late part of the 1800s, you had the late romantic composers like Bruckner and Mahler creating great music with their symphonies, and then came Elgar, Franck,etc.
     I wish i was around in the late 1800s

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Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 00:49
Originally posted by presdoug

In the late part of the 1800s, you had the late romantic composers like Bruckner and Mahler creating great music with their symphonies, and then came Elgar, Franck,etc.
     I wish i was around in the late 1800s

But then you wouldn't have lived to hear Helmut Köllen!


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 04 2013 at 09:11
Originally posted by Canterzeuhl

Originally posted by presdoug

In the late part of the 1800s, you had the late romantic composers like Bruckner and Mahler creating great music with their symphonies, and then came Elgar, Franck,etc.
     I wish i was around in the late 1800s

But then you wouldn't have lived to hear Helmut Köllen!
That's a point well taken, really. No music of Helmut's? That would be a shame, indeed.

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Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: June 01 2013 at 21:30
It's a shame so many who have posted to this thread are so quick to write off some of the bands listed with a ?? or a Never Heard of 'em. To which I can only answer "Well, now you have." As Prog_Traveller said, it's all about exposure, and you can't dislike what you don't know. Neither is it fair to write off someone on the basis of one or two songs.


Posted By: humor4u1959
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 01:16
To the original poster of this thread. Sorry, but I am not familiar with most of the bands on your list. However...

Procol Harum was on your list. They never got their due. And, it's a fact that they were the first progressive rock band. Period. Listen to 'Repent Walpugis.' Nobody had done music like that before, ever. Procol predates King Crimson, Yes, ELP, and most others by 3 years and 3 albums!

Also, the Strawbs were great! I love them too. They were overlooked as well.

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Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 01:48
I'm only 19 right now (2013) and I know about every band at this topic, but Cast (90's band from Mexico).
I have been living for music since my first guitar at 5 years old. I have a virtual library with more than 1.100 discographies. I collect original rare albums and favorites. I have been into too many genres and working at many musical projects. I think the youth don't know about the past because they won't. I can't stand the "now". Radio sucks. Oldschool poor movies are way better than 3D movies. Goddamn, I born at the wrong time. But I'm proud of been living today, as time passes, more bands we have to check. 


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 08:27
When prog first started making a comeback in the early 90s, I was in my early 20s and really getting into it.  So I've noticed a few bands that seemed like a pretty big deal back then, but which I don't really hear mentioned much since I became a regular here.  The OP's list brought back a memory of one of them, CAST (from Mexico). I saw them live once and they were classy and professional, and had already been around for many years by then.  I wonder what's up with them.  A PIEDI NUDI (Italy) was another one, and some Canterbury band from Athens Georgia (!) whose name I keep forgetting.  Who else...  BOUD DEUN?  Now there was a hot band.  These are bands that mostly stopped making new albums long ago, but weren't part of that classic 60s/70s scene.  Gone, and somewhat forgotten.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 02 2013 at 08:50
Have these fans been forgotten about by most prog bands?

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