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Topic: Female Prog Composers
Posted By: Smurph
Subject: Female Prog Composers
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 13:23
There are tons of bands like Univers Zero, Present, The Mars Volta, that seem to be generally led by musically by one person.

I'm not looking for women in prog. I know that's been done on this site.

What I'm asking about is where are the female main composers?

What elements of culture have made it so that females are rarely the main composers in prog groups? Even groups like Akphaezya, Within Temptation, Koenjihyakkei etc, has a guy writing most of the music.

Can you also find examples of females lead composing?

I know this question is worded terribly and it's not meant to be sexist. I just want to know.


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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 13:55
OOIOO led by Yoshimi P-We

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 14:28
Keiko Kumagi , keyboard player on Ars Nova (and quite attractive) composes most of their music I think (but have never checked tbh)

in terms of bands I would struggle to think of anyone else

Outside of a band format there are of course plenty of choices. Obvious ones are Kate Bush and Tori Amos in 'crossover' and Suzanne Cianni is an American composer who has recorded both orchestral and synth based albums.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 15:30
Marjana from Iamthemorning I think is one. Betty Thatcher has been a great lyricist. Heather Findlay didn't have a lot of space as composer in Mostly Autumn but she composed before and after.

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Posted By: Larree
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 16:29
Mary Halvorson.  Period.







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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 16:45
A lot of female composers don't get much respect around here. Kate Bush was relegated to prog related.  Tori Amos was a very controversial addition.  Happy Rhodes is unknown to most.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 19:53
Kate Bush was the first name that came to mind.  I always considered her 1st few albums prog, especially "Hounds of Love".  

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Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 05:11
Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance? She shares at least equal footing in that duo with Brendan Perry, but has long been acknowledged as the primary talent among the two..


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 05:33
Anja Grabarek and Laurie Anderson, just two names which popped in mind.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 05:47
Quick note, Akphaezya is now an all male band, the female singer is apparently long gone.

Jackie Perez-Gratz of Grayceon would at least share wquil billing with her two band mates, not sure how big her contribution to Giant Squid's composition mehod is.

Kat Ward of hAND.

Guitarist Samantha Escarb was half of the writing partnership with Rowan London for Virgin Black

Sub Rosa is made up of mostly women.

Hiromi Uehara, kind of self explanitory

Chloe Alper of Pure Reason Revolution certainly had a hand in the composition process.




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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 08:15
Patricia Dallio is a fine Classical pianist who composes the most interesting soundtracks and original Prog music of her own. She has performed with Art Zoyd ..in case you are unfamiliar with her.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 09:47
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

A lot of female composers don't get much respect around here. Kate Bush was relegated to prog related.  Tori Amos was a very controversial addition.  Happy Rhodes is unknown to most.
 
I don't like everything she's recorded, but Happy's Rhodes I comp (which has a couple unreleased songs) is a nifty comp of her earlier works.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 09:52
Carla Kihlstedt?


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 11:55
Originally posted by Neu!mann Neu!mann wrote:

Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance? She shares at least equal footing in that duo with Brendan Perry, but has long been acknowledged as the primary talent among the two..

I forgot all about her.  As far as being the primary talent in DCD, she certainly is the one responsible for the no-language-that-anyone-ever-heard-before vocal pieces while Perry does the rest.  I always thought they were about a 50/50 split in compositions.


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 11:57
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:


Kat Ward of hAND.

 
This... Approve


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:10
For some reason the music industry only seems to readily accept women as vocalists rather than as instrumentalists or composers, which I think is a crime and totally unfair. The only one not already mentioned here I can think of is Betty Thatcher who collaborated with the late Michael Dunford on many of Renaissance's classic tracks, but I am not sure if she was involved with the music itself or only the lyrics.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:31
I really like

LISA GERRARD--DEAD CAN DANCE

TARJA TURUNENEN---NIGHTWISH, TARJA

and this is not prog, but CHRISTINA SCABBIA of LACUNA COIL is fantástico!!

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:39
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I really like

LISA GERRARD--DEAD CAN DANCE

TARJA TURUNENEN---NIGHTWISH, TARJA

and this is not prog, but CHRISTINA SCABBIA of LACUNA COIL is fantástico!!

Another couple outside prog...

Angela Gossow - death metal band Arch Enemy.  She's listed as vocalist (clean and death growl) and songwriter...
Dara Rosenwasser - etherial dark-wave band Faith & Disease...


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:44
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I really like

LISA GERRARD--DEAD CAN DANCE

TARJA TURUNENEN---NIGHTWISH, TARJA

and this is not prog, but CHRISTINA SCABBIA of LACUNA COIL is fantástico!!

Another couple outside prog...
Angela Gossow - death metal band Arch Enemy.  She's listed as vocalist (clean and death growl) and songwriter...
Dara Rosenwasser - etherial dark-wave band Faith & Disease...


Oh I thought about the singer for Arch. I can't believe she is a woman! Wow. Sings like a man baby!! Sorry for the Austin powers initiation here, but thats no woman....it's a man baby!!

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Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:53


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 14:45
OMG, how could I forget to mention Dagmar Krause?  She's on 2 of my fave prog RIO albums, Henry Cow's "In Praise of Learning" and Slapp Happy's "acnalbasaC nooM".  

Hang on, I just had a look on wiki though, and she doesn't have writing credits on either album so I guess she doesn't fit the bill as a composer.


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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 14:48
This is all awesome to be able to see. :D I'm glad there are more than I thought.

I rarely see female composer in general. I wonder how many are just as genius as some of the men but have slipped completely through the cracks!

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 15:23
Found a couple others.  My earlier post on Dagmar Krause got me thinking about another great RIO band with female vocals, Thinking Plague.

1)  Susanne Lewis was singer/co-songwriter of the 1989 Thinking Plague album "In this Life" (Henry Cow guitarist Fred Frith guesting on this album).  Later Thinking Plague albums featured female vocalist Deborah Perry but she didn't receive any songwriting credits that I could find.

2)  Joni Mitchell.  I know like 95% of her songs don't qualify as prog, but a handful that were recorded on her 1980 "Shadows and Light" tour sorta count as jazz-fusion-prog.  I mean, if you're in a band with Jaco, Pat Metheny, and Lyle Mays you're gonna be more prog than just strumming a guitar crooning "Big Yellow Taxi"!

As far as non-prog female songwriters go, my favorite is clearly Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders.  That woman knows how to kick a$$ Bowdown


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Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 15:38
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Marjana from Iamthemorning I think is one. Betty Thatcher has been a great lyricist. Heather Findlay didn't have a lot of space as composer in Mostly Autumn but she composed before and after.

Actually, I think all of Iamthemorning's music is written by Gleb, the pianist, although Marjana writes vocals and lyrics.


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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 16:29
Does Grace Slick count as prog?  


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 19:03
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Carla Kihlstedt?



Good Call.   


Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 00:33
Jill Saward was a main writer, singer and multi-instrumentalist  in Fusion Orchestra in the 70s. She later found fame as the lead singer of jazz-funk band Shakatak.

A more recent one is Rosalie Cunningham, guitarist, frontwoman and songwriter for Purson who have just been added to PA. A young woman who loves King Crimson, The Beatles, Black Sabbath and Amon Duul II - not many of those around!


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Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 00:57
I believe Elisa Montaldo, keyboardist for Il Tempio delle Clessidre, composes the majority of their music.


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:05
KATE BUSH!!

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:09
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Anja Grabarek and Laurie Anderson, just two names which popped in mind.
Thumbs Up

I love the way Laurie's mind works.  I've only got one Anja album, Smiling And Waving which is excellent.


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 11:10
Originally posted by m2thek m2thek wrote:

I believe Elisa Montaldo, keyboardist for Il Tempio delle Clessidre, composes the majority of their music.

What a talent she is, and gorgeous as well as a bonus! She looks mega goth on the inside sleeve of their debut album! Can't wait for the follow-up LP not too far away!


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 12:03
Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Does Grace Slick count as prog?  



As a leading force of Jefferson Airplane she is at least proto-prog, which counts for me.

As to a couple of other non-prog ladies, I have always been a big fan of both Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart. Great vocals and guitar.

Another of my favorites is Maddy Prior for both her work in Steeleye Span and as a solo artist. In fact, her solo work is perhaps more prog-oriented since she often does multi-part suites. In this style, let's not forget Jane Relf and Sandy Denny.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 12:10
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I really like

LISA GERRARD--DEAD CAN DANCE

TARJA TURUNENEN---NIGHTWISH, TARJA

and this is not prog, but CHRISTINA SCABBIA of LACUNA COIL is fantástico!!

Another couple outside prog...
Angela Gossow - death metal band Arch Enemy.  She's listed as vocalist (clean and death growl) and songwriter...
Dara Rosenwasser - etherial dark-wave band Faith & Disease...


Oh I thought about the singer for Arch. I can't believe she is a woman! Wow. Sings like a man baby!! Sorry for the Austin powers initiation here, but thats no woman....it's a man baby!!

Not really, live she's got a very raspy growl, Floor Jansen of After Forever, ReVamp and Nightwish has a very convincing growl, which is even more impressive since she's a mezzo soprano.


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 12:28
^^ still a man baby!! Lol.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:34
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Originally posted by m2thek m2thek wrote:

I believe Elisa Montaldo, keyboardist for Il Tempio delle Clessidre, composes the majority of their music.

What a talent she is, and gorgeous as well as a bonus! She looks mega goth on the inside sleeve of their debut album! Can't wait for the follow-up LP not too far away!


Better than Angelina? Lol. What a moving track. Sorry I've lost my Marbles. Hee Hee

Anyway,



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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:53
Diamanda Galas.
A woman made out of lava, vampires, beauty and insanity.

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 23:23
Marnie Stern!
Math Rock/ Experimental from New York:



She basically rose to fame through Zach Hill - drummer for Hella, Death Grips. I think he helped out with a couple of studio albums. You'll notice she has a certain degree of pop sensibility to her quirky Math Rock style, which is something you don't hear too often. Love it.



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Posted By: asturias
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 04:21
Simona RIGANO  (CONQUEROR -Italie)


Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 04:31
Adding a clip by one of my friends to this discussion. Karen Gonzales from Venezuela. Here a video with her previous band Pi XPRNC.




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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 04:44
Also - Russian band Eternal Wanderers is lead by two sisters (?) if I remember correctly.




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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 05:01
Marnie Stern is amazing... what a lady. :D

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Posted By: mongofa
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 15:22
Jon Anderson

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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 15:35
Bob Drake

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 15:59
Cheese

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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 14:52
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Marnie Stern is amazing... what a lady. :D

I know, she's pretty attractive. She can play a mean guitar as well. Big smile


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 14:54
Oh yeah, Boris and Electrelane. All consisting of solely female members. Most of you guys probably know Boris or have heard of them, but Electrelane's a little commodity with in itself. Sort of really early Post-Rock with a heavy Krautrock influence, specifically Neu! Really great stuff.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 15:29
Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Oh yeah, Boris and Electrelane. All consisting of solely female members. Most of you guys probably know Boris or have heard of them, but Electrelane's a little commodity with in itself. Sort of really early Post-Rock with a heavy Krautrock influence, specifically Neu! Really great stuff.


Boris, the Japanese band? If you're talking about this one, there's only one female member, the guitarist.

By the way, are we still discussing female composers in progressive rock/music or any female musician playing in a progressive music/rock band? Confused


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 15:42
Speaking of all female prog bands, the Japanese psych/prog band "Angel in Heavy Syrup" should get a mention here for having female composers.

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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 11:20
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Oh yeah, Boris and Electrelane. All consisting of solely female members. Most of you guys probably know Boris or have heard of them, but Electrelane's a little commodity with in itself. Sort of really early Post-Rock with a heavy Krautrock influence, specifically Neu! Really great stuff.
Boris, the Japanese band? If you're talking about this one, there's only one female member, the guitarist. By the way, are we still discussing female composers in progressive rock/music or any female musician playing in a progressive music/rock band? Confused


Ture. Was looking for composers. I'm talking about searching for the Frank Zappa or Omar Rodriguez of women...

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Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 11:42


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 14:53
Oh duh!  Hiromi! 

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 15:03
^I mentioned her on the first page.

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 15:10
Well shonuff you did. I missed it.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 03:48
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Carla Kihlstedt?



Good Call.   

agreed!

Also, along with Dagmar Krause, there's also Lindsay Cooper who released two great RIO albums.

Along with OOIOO Ex-Girl, Ni-Hao!, and a sh*tload of other Japanese girl bands who released awesome weird-o music. The answer is always in Japan!!!


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 10:34
Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

 
Along with OOIOO Ex-Girl, Ni-Hao!, and a sh*tload of other Japanese girl bands who released awesome weird-o music. The answer is always in Japan!!!

Ya, I mentioned "Angel in Heavy Syrup" earlier...great prog/psych Japanese girl band...


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 15:18
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Oh yeah, Boris and Electrelane. All consisting of solely female members. Most of you guys probably know Boris or have heard of them, but Electrelane's a little commodity with in itself. Sort of really early Post-Rock with a heavy Krautrock influence, specifically Neu! Really great stuff.


Boris, the Japanese band? If you're talking about this one, there's only one female member, the guitarist.

By the way, are we still discussing female composers in progressive rock/music or any female musician playing in a progressive music/rock band? Confused

Cool Oh my bad. She's always been the poster girl of the band, I totally forgot the rest of the band were dudes. Great band though.


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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 15:21
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


Originally posted by Fox On The Rocks Fox On The Rocks wrote:

Oh yeah, Boris and Electrelane. All consisting of solely female members. Most of you guys probably know Boris or have heard of them, but Electrelane's a little commodity with in itself. Sort of really early Post-Rock with a heavy Krautrock influence, specifically Neu! Really great stuff.
Boris, the Japanese band? If you're talking about this one, there's only one female member, the guitarist. By the way, are we still discussing female composers in progressive rock/music or any female musician playing in a progressive music/rock band? Confused


Ture. Was looking for composers. I'm talking about searching for the Frank Zappa or Omar Rodriguez of women...

Would Grimes count? I mean, she's not what we would commonly consider as Prog, certianly not "Prog Rock", but I think she's certainly progressive in her field. All those electronic artists are all being innovative in their own unique ways. I'm probabaly going to get a lot of flak for this one. Tongue


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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 17:44
There's plenty of art pop girls, of course. I consider Bjork to be somewhat progressive.


Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 22:24
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

There's plenty of art pop girls, of course. I consider Bjork to be somewhat progressive.

Oh yeah, totally. Bjork's one of the most creative artists in the past 30 years. And on the side, I was also going to give a shout to Chelsea Wolfe. Not really "Prog Rock" my common standards, but her music is certainly experimental in nature. Pretty gothic actually.


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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 04:05
Hmm, if we're bringing up solo performers as well, might as well throw in Susanne Sundfør.

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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 10:46
Rae Howell is composer extraordinaire of wonderful Aussie Post Rock/Chamber rock SUNWRAE.

I believe Anna Holmgren gets some credit for ANGLAGARD creations. 

I know these are stretching 'outside' of progworld, but:  Back in the day, Sandy Denny, Claire Hammill, Laura Nyro, and Nina Hagen were receiving writing/composition credits; 
in the last decade Kaki King, Emily Autumn, Anneke van Giersbergen, and Tal Wilkenfeld have created stunning compositions. 



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Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 03:19
Julie Slick is a virtuoso bass player and composer very much in the prog realm. She has played with the Adrian Belew Power Trio and Crimson ProjeKct, among other bands. I'm surprised she hasn't been mentioned yet.

Here's a song from her new solo album (which hasn't been added to PA yet). Very interesting stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFmZrRu7UQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKFmZrRu7UQ


Posted By: horla
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 05:05
Zeena Parkins? Lindsay Cooper?


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 10:09
Originally posted by AugustChill AugustChill wrote:

I know of co composers. There's this Heavy Prog band call Kiss Me Deadly from NYC. 
Out of the 7 songs they released this year she was the vox melody composer and one track called the Wind was her composition. 

www.kissmedeadlynyc.info

 
Are you being paid to plug this band? Does "she" have a name?


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 20 2013 at 22:51
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Speaking of all female prog bands, the Japanese psych/prog band "Angel in Heavy Syrup" should get a mention here for having female composers.

Thanks for this.  One of the best things I've heard out of Japan, and I've only heard one song so far.
I love Japanese culture but I'm finding the music a bit like the modern movies they make.  Maybe
there will one day be a new wave of Japanese prog that won't be so chaotic and violent, as some
of the movies are.  It' strange to see such a noble culture put out such stuff like they do.  We probably
just aren't seeing a lot of the good stuff, but who knows how to find it.  Like I say, maybe it's yet
to be created.

I'm surprised to not have anyone mention Virginia Astley.

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Posted By: Soniq Circus
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 08:51
There's also one of Mikael Åkerfeldt's favourite composers, folk/prog/psych artist Linda Perhacs. Def worth a listen..:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBd-SjQxpQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: May 22 2013 at 12:08
Originally posted by Soniq Circus Soniq Circus wrote:

There's also one of Mikael Åkerfeldt's favourite composers, folk/prog/psych artist Linda Perhacs. Def worth a listen..:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXBd-SjQxpQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Good point. I think she's in prog folk on PA. I remember her suggestion.

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Posted By: Second Life Syndrome
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 23:09
One of my favorite bands, Introitus, has a female singer, Anna Bender.  As far as I know, her husband composes the music, but she write the lyrics.  Does that count?  Even if it doesn't, I want to throw their name out there: I LOVE their music.Thumbs Up  Someone mentioned Dead Can Dance---I love those weird female vox tracks.  So good.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 00:00
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by frippism frippism wrote:

Along with OOIOO Ex-Girl, Ni-Hao!, and a sh*tload of other Japanese girl bands who released awesome weird-o music. The answer is always in Japan!!!
 
Ya, I mentioned "Angel in Heavy Syrup" earlier...great prog/psych Japanese girl band...
 
That's what I get for not checking this thread earlier. Angel'in Heavy Syrup is one of Japanese rock's great tragedies, having lapsed into inactivity because bassist-vocalist Mineko went to live with her serviceman husband in Germany or somewhere in Europe. (Can we have a big collective "Oh, well!")
 
AiTS recorded four impressive if not amazing modern dreamy psych albums, and they all more or less went out of print right after they were issued. The exception was the IV, the final CD, which was issued on Monotremata and can still be acquired for a reasonable, don't-have-to-hock-a-vital-organ price. LOL! The CDs have some killer instrumentals, too.
 
Of the two remaining guitarists, Fusao Toda was one-half of Christine 23 Onna with vocalist-synthesist-weirdo boyfriend Masonna (Maso Yamazaki's pseudonym), and they later added two members and started calling themselves Acid Eater. Mine Nakao formed a band called She Brings The Rainbow that is no longer active, the only bit of info being that the band is defunct due to "Mine's personal circumstances."
 
In the mid-late '90s, I stumbled upon a ton of cool non-prog female-centric Japanese rock, of which the Syrup remains my favorite discovery. I tried to avoid the noise rock stuff that's so prevalent (see: Acid Eater, Mainliner, Jojo Hiroshige and his long-running band Hijokaidan) and tracked down, with varying degrees of difficulty, CDs by Slapp Happy Humphrey (Mineko's pre-Syrup hippy psych trio), Shizuka (aka Shizuka Miura, RIP), Onna Kodomo, Mady Gula Blue Heaven, OOIOO (didn't like them that much), Bleach 03 (all-girl post-punk trio), avant-vocalist Haco and her predecessor band After Dinner, ex-Girl (decent at first but didn't wear well) and the first few CDs by Noodles are great (from the fourth on, they're more alt-rock, more hipster). EDIT: I just read that Shizuka died in January, 2010 (cause of death: suicide).
 
Sadly, that "scene" seemed to have vaporized by the mid-2000s, unless somebody can inform me. Some of those CDs weren't cheap to come by, either. If another band could pick up Angel'in Heavy Syrup's torch, I'd be all over that!


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 29 2013 at 01:58








Posted By: SoundscapeMN
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 15:55
Kimbra
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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: May 30 2013 at 18:31
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by AugustChill AugustChill wrote:

I know of co composers. There's this Heavy Prog band call Kiss Me Deadly from NYC. 
Out of the 7 songs they released this year she was the vox melody composer and one track called the Wind was her composition. 

www.kissmedeadlynyc.info

 
Are you being paid to plug this band? Does "she" have a name?
 
Roslyn Grey is the name of the vox melody composer with Kiss Me Deadly. August is their guitar player.
Unfortunately they didn't make it into Crossover when we evaluated them recently - their music was considered to have too much of an alternative rock slant, and not enough prog content.


Posted By: Darksky1
Date Posted: June 01 2013 at 13:53
I know of a fairly new band on the scene called Stolen Earth. The lead singer Heidi Widdup, used to be in Mostly autumn, they have just released a new track (youtube link) as a warm up to the second album and she wrote it and I think is writing loads of other stuff for the cd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2TtakiwxVs

Don't know why the link isn't active, will have to copy and paste to watch but well worth itApprove


Posted By: waterinsilence
Date Posted: June 01 2013 at 19:56
This is one of the most interesting threads.

It is quite true that women are looked on mostly as vocalists. As a composer (also vocalist/instrumentalist) - I have gotten many a strange look when I say I'm a composer first. Especially here in Europe.

In any case, I do hope more women would take the leap. I know many colleagues who have written incredible songs and they have all ended up having to "duo" with male artists to get ahead.




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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 03 2013 at 13:40
Originally posted by waterinsilence waterinsilence wrote:

This is one of the most interesting threads.
It is quite true that women are looked on mostly as vocalists. As a composer (also vocalist/instrumentalist) - I have gotten many a strange look when I say I'm a composer first. Especially here in Europe.
In any case, I do hope more women would take the leap. I know many colleagues who have written incredible songs and they have all ended up having to "duo" with male artists to get ahead.



I have met only 2 women personally that write Prog rock and only 1 of them seems to consider herself a composer. (Now theres you i guess as well! :) ) I wish there were more women out there willing to take that leap and actually fully compose music. Plus in my search for a mate it would be much more awesome if there were more women composers to meet. Haha

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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: June 03 2013 at 13:50
Have anyone mentioned Hedvig Mollestad trio yet?





And while not on PA, Kari Rueslåtten is recognized within this category  elsewhere.






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Posted By: franklinv
Date Posted: June 06 2013 at 00:35
I fully agree with you,I have never seen any female composer as well yet.....

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Posted By: Nick Dilley
Date Posted: June 24 2013 at 16:44
Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

There are tons of bands like Univers Zero, Present, The Mars Volta, that seem to be generally led by musically by one person.

I'm not looking for women in prog. I know that's been done on this site.

What I'm asking about is where are the female main composers?

What elements of culture have made it so that females are rarely the main composers in prog groups? Even groups like Akphaezya, Within Temptation, Koenjihyakkei etc, has a guy writing most of the music.

Can you also find examples of females lead composing?

I know this question is worded terribly and it's not meant to be sexist. I just want to know.


That's a good question. I haven't read beyond this OP yet, but I am hard-pressed to think of ANY.

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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: June 25 2013 at 03:31
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:



And while not on PA, Kari Rueslåtten is recognized within this category  elsewhere.




 
Kari Rueslåtten has now been added to PA - in Prog Folk.  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8254" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=8254 . Approve


Posted By: efoman2
Date Posted: July 08 2013 at 09:11
LOL Someone said Jon Anderson.

Gotta appreciate a good bit of humor. I had a friend who said she went to see Yes in Louisville, KY and somehow got backstage afterward (I didn't ask how). She said she head Jon Anderson cracking some remarks about how backward people in Kentucky were and it ticked her off...so she said "Yeah...well at least our men don't go around wearing women's sneakers!"


Posted By: jaycoh56
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 08:57
Early Kate Bush, "Never For Ever", "Lionheart", etc.
Curved Air


Posted By: CKnoxW
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 11:16
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Oh duh!  Hiromi! 

Dammit! You said it first!


Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: July 23 2013 at 10:47


Annamaria Pinna from Vajra


Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: July 23 2013 at 12:49
I remember Dalbello composing some interesting stuff. Nicely off the wall.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 23 2013 at 15:05
Et hop! Patricia Dallio, former keyboard player of Art Zoyd from 1979 to 2009:
http://patriciadallio.com/" rel="nofollow - http://patriciadallio.com/

She released 9 solo albums and played on 13 Art Zoyd albums.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 23 2013 at 19:09
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Et hop! Patricia Dallio, former keyboard player of Art Zoyd from 1979 to 2009:
http://patriciadallio.com/" rel="nofollow - http://patriciadallio.com/

She released 9 solo albums and played on 13 Art Zoyd albums.
I love her music.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 23 2013 at 19:37
Originally posted by waterinsilence waterinsilence wrote:

This is one of the most interesting threads.

It is quite true that women are looked on mostly as vocalists. As a composer (also vocalist/instrumentalist) - I have gotten many a strange look when I say I'm a composer first. Especially here in Europe.

In any case, I do hope more women would take the leap. I know many colleagues who have written incredible songs and they have all ended up having to "duo" with male artists to get ahead.


Such is the case with Norri Bucci who is a impeccable lead guitarist. She is a vocalist..but has composed and performed a kind of instrumental Jazz fusion style for years. Her vids can be found on Y.T. ..she has a brilliant way of improvising. She is an amazing guitarist. April Lawton who played guitar for Ramatam in the 70's was also amazing and has remained an unsung hero for decades. I personally did not care for the style of the band, but she was very influential to me and drived my ambition to be a clean player. People then, did not understand her. She was playing Rock guitar...but also played in the style of John McLaughlin and obviously played outstanding on Classical. She was a monster player of extreme measures. She may have been the first female guitarist to open the big door by working with Jimi Hendrix's drummer Mitch Mitchell and getting signed to a major label like Atlantic. She was fast , clean and extremely diverse...unlike some of the male guitarists who enjoyed fame while they were taken seriously. To me....she was a God.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 24 2013 at 13:20
Hi,
 
The more I read this, the more depressed I get.
 
History of Music is ... almost exclusively a boy's club that spends a lot of its time comparing weewee's!
 
If there is one thing that the 20th century has helped with, is allow women to stand up and show that they can also do this, and not have to hide and play George Sand, for your imagination, or dereliction.
 
The 21st Century, will likely be the century of the emancipation of woman in the arts ... which, to my way of seeing things would be good ... and hopefully it will help slow down the weewee men's club from the arts and give everyone a fair chance all around.
 
Sadly, some nations, and continents are further behind than others ... it's really hard NOT to see women, taking hold in the arts in so many places, that it is down right scary, and one can only hope that this succeeds in time, and help the art, the world and its spirit, function the way it was meant to be.
 


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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 13:12
Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.
Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 
Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.
 
Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  
 
 


Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 14:25
Getting hold of the new Tarja album tomorrow and I'm kind of wondering what its gonna be like. From the little I've heard thus far it seems good - who knows, perhaps I'll have to recommend her here finally if the music is prog enough.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 31 2013 at 17:25
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.
Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 
Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.
 
Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  
 
 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 01:10
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.
Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 
Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.
 
Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  
 
 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.

Contrary to the fact that us PA members spend hours ranking the 10 best keyboard/guitar/bassoon players, musicianship isn't a competition where a definitive winner can be determined Wink 
April Lawton was not a transsexual. That's a lie invented by guitarists of the 70's who were jealous and feared being upstaged by a woman. It was not silly to make up lies like that in the 70's to destroy someone's reputation. The world was very different then and not made up of the contrived moronic garbage in the media today....such as..everyone wanting to have 15 minutes of fame or debates over stupied far fetched world predictions on talk shows for the purpose of good ratings and profit. Emo/Wakeman/Banks are keyboardists and keyboardists will never get the attention that guitarists do from a rock audience. Maybe Emo with his stupied ribbon controller between his legs and stabbing Lemmy's knifes into an organ or Wakeman dressed in ridicoulous robes surrounded by bubble or smoke machines may have drawn some morons for attention, but no one on stage can draw the entire audience's attention like a lead guitarist .


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 01:21
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.


Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 

Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.

 

Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  

 

 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.
Contrary to the fact that us PA members spend hours ranking the 10 best keyboard/guitar/bassoon players, musicianship isn't a competition where a definitive winner can be determined Wink 


Whoooa??? Wait a minute. Let's back the tryanni-train up a moment. Wendy Carlos was Walter Carlos?
In any case, A Clock Work Orange was a great soundtrack. He bitch or not. :)

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 09:34
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.


Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 

Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.

 

Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  

 

 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.
Contrary to the fact that us PA members spend hours ranking the 10 best keyboard/guitar/bassoon players, musicianship isn't a competition where a definitive winner can be determined Wink 


Whoooa??? Wait a minute. Let's back the tryanni-train up a moment. Wendy Carlos was Walter Carlos?
In any case, A Clock Work Orange was a great soundtrack. He bitch or not. :)
Poor Wendy. Often bashed on Prog sites. Disliked by Emerson.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 10:59
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.
Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 
Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.
 
Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  
 
 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.

Contrary to the fact that us PA members spend hours ranking the 10 best keyboard/guitar/bassoon players, musicianship isn't a competition where a definitive winner can be determined Wink 
April Lawton was not a transsexual. That's a lie invented by guitarists of the 70's who were jealous and feared being upstaged by a woman. It was not silly to make up lies like that in the 70's to destroy someone's reputation. The world was very different then and not made up of the contrived moronic garbage in the media today....such as..everyone wanting to have 15 minutes of fame or debates over stupied far fetched world predictions on talk shows for the purpose of good ratings and profit. Emo/Wakeman/Banks are keyboardists and keyboardists will never get the attention that guitarists do from a rock audience. Maybe Emo with his stupied ribbon controller between his legs and stabbing Lemmy's knifes into an organ or Wakeman dressed in ridicoulous robes surrounded by bubble or smoke machines may have drawn some morons for attention, but no one on stage can draw the entire audience's attention like a lead guitarist .

As I said, I have no idea who April Lawton was, but her wiki page states: 

"Lawton gave no interviews, refused to discuss her past, and she was rumoured to be  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual" rel="nofollow - transsexual  — rumours confirmed by her friend,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - Fanny  guitarist  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Millington" rel="nofollow - June Millington , in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Lawton#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] "

Also, why all the hate for Emo/Wakey/keyboardists?


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: August 01 2013 at 15:17
^^ why does Emerson hate Wendy or Walter Carlos???

He better have a good reason. Lol. Seriously though Toddler, why?
Love to know. :)

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 02:58
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Please have a open mind when reading my post. To clear the air of any misjudgements on my behalf or anyone else's, I here by state that my intentions are not to create a debate over transsexualism and I do NOT hold discrimination towards any sexual desire or race of humans in general.
Wikipedia states rumours about April Lawton that surfaced and generated through circles of the music business when I traveled the road in the 70's. She was rumoured to be transsexual and they were confirmed by FANNY guitarist June Millington in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads.
 
Male musicians who had morals/values in the 70's had long discusssions with me regarding how this was a plot to submarine her career. It was discrimination from male guitarists that were jealous over the realization that she was a superior musician to them. By spreading the rumour to justify in their own small , but bleak world that April Lawton was in fact a male and not a female was not only discriminating to the life of transsexuals , but to women in general. Some of the more famous "Rock stars" in the 60's would look at me and shake their heads ...which was a indication that they wish to not engage in the conversation. They understood that I respected her talents and understood the value of my intentions, but refused to comment.
 
Regarding rumours confirmed by June Millington, I can only say that close musician friends of mine created fantasy stories about me to satisfy their own egos. Journalists have a cheapy desire to print anything stated by an artist in higher circles of the industry. whether it be a lie that hurts innocent people or the truth to hurt the actions of someone else. Discrimination against transsexuals often involves those with certain religious beliefs or cultural values. Many people have a lack of understanding of what it means to be transgender. BINGO!  A perfect plot designed by jealous musicians to lower the amount of appreaciation for April Lawton's accomplishments as a diverse female guitarist. You might find this depressing, but instead let us value the truth of what goes on in the industry. I have worked/traveled with over 30 female artists and they have all been discriminated against by musicians, agents, managers, executives....and that is corruption in the numbers. I can't convince the world that we are all just people, but I'd surely like to ask people to think or ponder over what they read.  
 
 

As a teenager in the 70's I remember a huge controversy about professional women's tennis player Dr Renee Richards.  Many were claiming it wasn't fair since she was transsexual - it was like a male player vs a female.  She finally went to court to fight an official ban and won, but that was a sport where there was a physical competition to determine a clear "winner".  Discrimination against a transsexual musician is plain silly.  I never heard Emo/Wakeman/Banks/etc complain that since Wendy Carlos used to be Walter that it somehow was unfair.

Contrary to the fact that us PA members spend hours ranking the 10 best keyboard/guitar/bassoon players, musicianship isn't a competition where a definitive winner can be determined Wink 
April Lawton was not a transsexual. That's a lie invented by guitarists of the 70's who were jealous and feared being upstaged by a woman. It was not silly to make up lies like that in the 70's to destroy someone's reputation. The world was very different then and not made up of the contrived moronic garbage in the media today....such as..everyone wanting to have 15 minutes of fame or debates over stupied far fetched world predictions on talk shows for the purpose of good ratings and profit. Emo/Wakeman/Banks are keyboardists and keyboardists will never get the attention that guitarists do from a rock audience. Maybe Emo with his stupied ribbon controller between his legs and stabbing Lemmy's knifes into an organ or Wakeman dressed in ridicoulous robes surrounded by bubble or smoke machines may have drawn some morons for attention, but no one on stage can draw the entire audience's attention like a lead guitarist .

As I said, I have no idea who April Lawton was, but her wiki page states: 

"Lawton gave no interviews, refused to discuss her past, and she was rumoured to be  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual" rel="nofollow - transsexual  — rumours confirmed by her friend,  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_%28band%29" rel="nofollow - Fanny  guitarist  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Millington" rel="nofollow - June Millington , in a 2010 interview for GuitarGearHeads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Lawton#cite_note-1" rel="nofollow - [1] "

Also, why all the hate for Emo/Wakey/keyboardists?
wiki lies. June Millington lies. Wiki has printed falsehood in the past. Any musician, dead or alive, can have a friend come foward and confirm this and that. It doesn't mean it's the truth. Emerson and Wakeman were both impeccable keyboardists, but they dressed in the same clothes and used the same stage gimmicks as any rocker from the 70's that is disrespected on P.A.  Stage gimmicks have nothing to do with musicianship. Their purpose was to shock the drug heads in the audience. To attract attention of the cosmic burn outs who may have thought that YES were God . So robes, gowns, and capes came across as a mysterious foreplay that seperated these humans on stage from dopeheads in the audience and so they were worshipped..and even on the next day when everyone got up for work. You could be working in a bank and co-workers would say..."I saw YES last night and it was like seeing God." A very overrated 24/7 reference on the east coast around the time of that cheap version of Mahavishnu I heard on Relayer. Emerson looked like a fool stabbing his organ, his flying piano bit, rubbing a control ribby between his legs in Tarkus and destroying an organ in the same fashion that Townshend or Hendrix would destroy a guitar. But at least Hendrix had the courage and honesty to openly state how embarrased he felt about garbage like that years later and that it was all gimmicks and far from the music.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: August 02 2013 at 03:07
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

^^ why does Emerson hate Wendy or Walter Carlos???

He better have a good reason. Lol. Seriously though Toddler, why?
Love to know. :)
I was under the assumption that Emerson respected Carlos until one day...a well informed member of Progarchives corrected me. This was a few years ago (I think?) and cannot recall the reason why Emo disliked Carlos' music or perhaps his approach to Classical. Someone on P.A. who is very informative and well respected posted a reply and explained the history on that. I'll have to research it or find the post on P.A.


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 03 2013 at 08:00
Why should I care what an artist "looks" like when I use my ears to listen to his/her music? Knowing if an artist is male, female or trans or whatever else has a matter only when this state is reflected into his/her art.
 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 03 2013 at 14:47
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

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Do you prefer Seamus or Mademoiselle Nobs?
 
Seamus was more fun. My dog's name!
 
And the Mlle ... would be too expensive for me to afford and buy!


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