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Topic: Best Genesis album outside of the "Classic Era"
Posted By: Master of Time
Subject: Best Genesis album outside of the "Classic Era"
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 21:24
Okay, so I defined "Classic Era" as the era in which the albums are consistently rated at 4 stars, though there may be an album/albums that are lower within the selection.



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Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 21:32
As with the Yes poll, Duke is great but it is ATTWT still gets a lot of spin time...



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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 21:45
DUKE!!! For sure. It's the perfect blend of pop and prog. It's so beautifully crafted. A lot of people don't realize how much work was put into that album. It's quite technical actually. Even the drums on TURN IT ON AGAIN have some crazy odd metering on it. Phil is a master!!!

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 22:25
Duke, easily.

The rest are quite bad.

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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 22:31
s/t, Duke is a really close second

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 22:50
ATTWT

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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: May 09 2013 at 23:31
"Genesis" by far, I believe there's only one weak track on the album... I think everyone can guess which one that is. 


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 00:13
ATTWT. I can't stand most of We Can't Dance. I actually prefer Calling All Stations to it.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 00:15
I voted 'And Then There were Three' - but a tough call between that and 'Duke'.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 00:34
... To Revelation.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 03:33
Duke, but this is a close call.

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 03:48
Nice series of polls, these outside the classic era polls. Clap
I vote for ATTWT. Still a sensational album.



Posted By: timbo
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 04:07
ATTWT, definitely.
Duke is good, but ATTWT got me into prog in the first place.
The rest, meh! I stopped buying after Abacab, although a friend gave me Inivisible Touch for my birthday. Some nice touches there (they diid a great live version of "The Brazilian" when I saw them at Wembley c. 1988), but not enough there to make me want to sit down and listen to the whole album.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 06:15
Has to be Duke.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 06:18
Gotta go with the Duke as well



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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 06:28
Add one for Duke.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 07:58
Duke - it's a solid 3* album. Only ATTWT gets that many and only just.

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 07:58
Duke, with ATTWT not far behind.



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 10:23
ATTWT.
 
I like Genesis ('83) a lot, too.


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 10:28
And then There Were three, with honorable mention to the self-titled album with Illegal Alien on it.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 13:45
I went with ATTWT...ya it has "Follow You Follow Me" and "Say It's Alright Joe" which suck, but I really like the rest.  "Duke" and "Abacab" have 2 or 3 songs each that I like, but wouldn't mind if I never heard any of the others again.    

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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 14:27
Originally posted by bytor2112 bytor2112 wrote:

"Genesis" by far, I believe there's only one weak track on the album... I think everyone can guess which one that is. 

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Posted By: Master of Time
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 14:55
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Nice series of polls, these outside the classic era polls. Clap
I vote for ATTWT. Still a sensational album.

Thank you , I have four more planned that I'll post later.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 16:10
Originally posted by Master of Time Master of Time wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Nice series of polls, these outside the classic era polls. Clap
I vote for ATTWT. Still a sensational album.

Thank you , I have four more planned that I'll post later.

I'm having fun with these too...Great job!  Hope you have Van Der Graaf, Gentle Giant, & ELP polls planned Wink


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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 19:32
Duke. The only one here that I don't enjoy is "We Can't Dance"

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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 21:35
ATTWT

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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 21:43
Duke and And Then There Were Three

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Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: May 10 2013 at 23:42
I started at ATTWT and worked backwards. When I got to The Lamb there was no way to go forward, so Duke was useless to me.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 13:32
Heh...I mean does it really matter...?
 
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Posted By: Cornelius
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 13:42
And Then There Were Three...

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 13:47
Duke

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 02:08
And Then There Three v Duke for me.

I voted for the former for two reasons. Overall some of the best songs they wrote and for the 'wall of sound' production which defined Genesis when I was growing up. However I'm not surprised in the least to see Duke winning the poll. That was more a 'prog album' and Collins is absolutely flying on Dukes Travels and Dukes End. If they could have avoided a few of those 'lazy' ballads on side 2 then I would love it to death.


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 15:15
The love for Duke here really surprises me.  I got it when it first came out.
The lyrics to me highlight what I don't like about Genesis: ambivalent messages
that don't seem to resolve into anything very positive, or to me, meaningful. 

When you compare all the major prog bands, I think Genesis always comes
out last when it comes to lyrics.  Except, there are some real gems in there, too.
When they are very good, they kind of aim at beauty, as in the early days,
or courage.   

Think of the conviction of ELP and Yes, and then the murkiness of so 
much of Genesis's lyrics, I guess one can get my point. 

At least ATTWT has great power in the lyrics.  It also is much, much more
sonically interesting.  There is really nothing of interest to me in the music
of Duke.    


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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 01:42
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

The love for Duke here really surprises me.  I got it when it first came out.
The lyrics to me highlight what I don't like about Genesis: ambivalent messages
that don't seem to resolve into anything very positive, or to me, meaningful. 

When you compare all the major prog bands, I think Genesis always comes
out last when it comes to lyrics.  Except, there are some real gems in there, too.
When they are very good, they kind of aim at beauty, as in the early days,
or courage.   

Think of the conviction of ELP and Yes, and then the murkiness of so 
much of Genesis's lyrics, I guess one can get my point. 

At least ATTWT has great power in the lyrics.  It also is much, much more
sonically interesting.  There is really nothing of interest to me in the music
of Duke.    

I actually found the lyrics to Please Don't Ask very moving and like all the Genesis albums lyrically with the exception of LLDOB which I find a little too obscure, So that makes me different to you I guess. Also is there anyone out there with a good thing to say about We Can't Dance, or I am the only one who likes this album?


Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 02:39
Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

The love for Duke here really surprises me.  I got it when it first came out.
The lyrics to me highlight what I don't like about Genesis: ambivalent messages
that don't seem to resolve into anything very positive, or to me, meaningful. 

When you compare all the major prog bands, I think Genesis always comes
out last when it comes to lyrics.  Except, there are some real gems in there, too.
When they are very good, they kind of aim at beauty, as in the early days,
or courage.   

Think of the conviction of ELP and Yes, and then the murkiness of so 
much of Genesis's lyrics, I guess one can get my point. 

At least ATTWT has great power in the lyrics.  It also is much, much more
sonically interesting.  There is really nothing of interest to me in the music
of Duke.    

I actually found the lyrics to Please Don't Ask very moving and like all the Genesis albums lyrically with the exception of LLDOB which I find a little too obscure, So that makes me different to you I guess. Also is there anyone out there with a good thing to say about We Can't Dance, or I am the only one who likes this album?

I like it, it definitely has it's good moments(Fading Lights, Driving The Last Spike). Jesus He Knows Me is pretty great for being a pop single in what one could only call the worst period of pop music(mid 80s-early 90s).

It still doesn't stand up to Duke though. It's just way too brilliant. Some really incredibly touching moments on the album, especially the further you go in.


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Posted By: lct
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 11:09
Duke at the moment, but do I have to make a discussion for life?


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 00:32
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

And Then There Three v Duke for me.
I voted for the former for two reasons. Overall some of the best songs they wrote and for the 'wall of sound' production which defined Genesis when I was growing up. However I'm not surprised in the least to see Duke winning the poll. That was more a 'prog album' and Collins is absolutely flying on Dukes Travels and Dukes End. If they could have avoided a few of those 'lazy' ballads on side 2 then I would love it to death.




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Posted By: Codera the Great
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 11:29
Duke is definitely the best in my opinion. It was a really good mix of the old prog flavor that they were about to abandon entirely (if they hadn't done so already), and the pop sound that they were diving headlong into for the rest of the decade and beyond with the two 90s albums (so for the rest of their recording career really). Some really good songs and probably the best flow over all of the other post 70s albums.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: October 21 2013 at 12:45
Really, the list of choices runs out (for me) at side two of s/t album. It would be between ATTWT, Duke and from ABACAB and they all have their faults. I voted for And then there were three... it was the first Genesis Album I bought when it came out.



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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 22 2013 at 06:14
And Then There Were Three...


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 23 2013 at 07:55
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I went with ATTWT...ya it has "Follow You Follow Me" and "Say It's Alright Joe" which suck, but I really like the rest.  "Duke" and "Abacab" have 2 or 3 songs each that I like, but wouldn't mind if I never heard any of the others again.    


I like The Ballad of Big. Great chorus. ;)

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 23 2013 at 15:00
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I went with ATTWT...ya it has "Follow You Follow Me" and "Say It's Alright Joe" which suck, but I really like the rest.  "Duke" and "Abacab" have 2 or 3 songs each that I like, but wouldn't mind if I never heard any of the others again.    


I like The Ballad of Big. Great chorus. ;)

I love this song and especially this bit:


He was scared , Big Jim was scared
Alive they called him lucky but not today
Cos he died like all good cowboys
with his boots on next to his men




Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 23 2013 at 15:07
Since Duke is winning this easily, I'll drop a vote for the much maligned 'Shapes' album. I really love that thing. Abacab is wonderful too.

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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: October 23 2013 at 15:31
Definitely Duke for me  

Edit: Just saw From Genesis To Revelation, would have picked that Disapprove


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 23 2013 at 15:40
Between Duke and Abacab, the latter has the most songs im familiar with to start off with, but i would vote for both anyway if that was possible


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 06:42
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

I went with ATTWT...ya it has "Follow You Follow Me" and "Say It's Alright Joe" which suck, but I really like the rest.  "Duke" and "Abacab" have 2 or 3 songs each that I like, but wouldn't mind if I never heard any of the others again.    


I like The Ballad of Big. Great chorus. ;)

I love this song and especially this bit:
He was scared , Big Jim was scared
Alive they called him lucky but not today
Cos he died like all good cowboys
with his boots on next to his men


You know Richard, when I think about those lyrics and how they are sung I don't think Gabriel would pull it off or make it work not nearly as well as Collins. Boy, amazing how Phil really took over the Genesis machine when Gabriel and of course Hacket leaving. I'm just saying that a lot of the songs fit Phil's desires sound wise and criteria for music vision.
Pop was slowly leeching it's way in....but not in a bad way....entirely. ;)
I know ABACAB depressed the sh*t out of you. Lol

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 06:47
I still don't know too many albums that blend pop and Prog, so nicely together. It's DUKE by a large margin for me still. :)
I look at the way that album was constructed and I think it's genius. Some very odd metering in the drumming on Turn it On again. A great example of how the technical and accessible can join forces and sound great. DUKE is full of these meriments. :)

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 16:05
I actually do like some of Abacab . Dodo/Lurker could be one of the best tracks Genesis ever recorded and I am aware there is a longer version and have heard it. Clearly they felt under pressure to leave behind their prog roots which is a shame really.
BTW Have you heard the Sound Of Contact album Nicholas? Think you may like it.


Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 17:53
s/t, ATTWT, Duke, Abacab, and Invisible Touch, in that order


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 19:35
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

s/t, ATTWT, Duke, Abacab, and Invisible Touch, in that order

s/t?


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: October 24 2013 at 22:59
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I actually do like some of Abacab . Dodo/Lurker could be one of the best tracks Genesis ever recorded and I am aware there is a longer version and have heard it. Clearly they felt under pressure to leave behind their prog roots which is a shame really.
BTW Have you heard the Sound Of Contact album Nicholas? Think you may like it.


I have. I felt it was a fair debut. The album even inspired me enough to write a review on it, which I don't do very often.
I really liked I AM (DIMENSIONAUT) Simon sounds so much like his father on that one.
It's excellent.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 25 2013 at 01:46
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I actually do like some of Abacab . Dodo/Lurker could be one of the best tracks Genesis ever recorded and I am aware there is a longer version and have heard it. Clearly they felt under pressure to leave behind their prog roots which is a shame really.
BTW Have you heard the Sound Of Contact album Nicholas? Think you may like it.


I have. I felt it was a fair debut. The album even inspired me enough to write a review on it, which I don't do very often.
I really liked I AM (DIMENSIONAUT) Simon sounds so much like his father on that one.
It's excellent.
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Posted By: Genital Giant
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 02:50
I'm a bit surprised Abacab is so lowly regarded. I think it's the most original and experimental album the trio version of Genesis ever did. Maybe people don't like it because it's not as "Genesisy" as something like Duke, but Abacab is the album for me that justifies them as a trio and a different (but still creative) group than what came before. 


Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 12:35
As an objective and progressive opinion, ATTWT is the best, but as a subjective and an opinion from the heart, I love Genesis Shapes, this album is killer, although it could have a couple of not strong tracks. So I will vote for it.


Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 17:43
Voted Duke, just above Abacab and ATTWT, in that order.


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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 22:07
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 22:42
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I actually do like some of Abacab . Dodo/Lurker could be one of the best tracks Genesis ever recorded and I am aware there is a longer version and have heard it. Clearly they felt under pressure to leave behind their prog roots which is a shame really.
BTW Have you heard the Sound Of Contact album Nicholas? Think you may like it.


I heard this version once thanks to someone who posted in on this site. I think I didn't like the added minutes at the beginning of the song, but the ones at the end were great. Do you know if there's any way to get this version of the song?


Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: January 19 2014 at 04:09
And Then There Were Three. Not absolutely sure that's outside the classic era really.. (post-Hackett I suppose).


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: January 19 2014 at 23:33
Nice to see DUKE being the favored in this poll. Glad I'm not the only one who sees and hears just how gargantuanly special this album is. Always a great listen from start to finish.

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