really show-offy fusion
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Topic: really show-offy fusion
Posted By: tokyoganglion
Subject: really show-offy fusion
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:09
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Can anybody recommend fusion where they abandon any subtlety or soul and instead just shove their talent in your face the way that death metal bands do? Specifically I'm wanting to hear songs where the whole band does blindingly fast runs. Thanks! |
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:32
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Derick Sherinian. He's flashy but quite cool at the same time. A great album would be Black Utopia to start with. Enjoy. ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 19:36
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So basically just bad fusion - all chops and no sauce? Nah I am just pulling your leg:-P You may want to check out The Mahavishnu Orchestra, if you haven't yet heard them. I am certainly not their biggest fan, and that is actually down to the exact same thing that you seem attracted to. Try out Inner Mounting Flame and Birds of Fire for starters. Hmmmm now I am not entirely sure what you are into, but if you are looking for insanely skilled musicians strutting their stuff, albeit in a wonderfully wild jungle way, then by all means go straight to the horse's mouth and take on Miles Davis - Bitches Brew, Weather Report - I Sing The Body Electric and Herbie Hancock - Sextant. This is however not music that revolves around melody as a lot of death metal does(let's face it, most death metal is incredibly melodic - even when it's at its most evil and technical) - this is rather freely flowing groove fusion with loads of improv up the wazoo. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 20:37
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guldbamsen: yes, i enjoy Sextant! And i will check out that Weather Report. But basically I don't like solos. Especially long ones. I like the heads. I guess the whole genre fusion has a "bad reputation" for the reason you said: "all chops and no sauce", but I'm OK with that formula. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 21:34
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You might try Liquid Tension Experiment...they are called progressive metal but to me they have strong jazz rock fusion chops.and they can really cook at times. Return To Forever can really get going also as well as Mahavishnu as the earlier poster mentioned. here's the PA page on fusion http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=30" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=30
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 21:47
| try Brainstorm-Smile Awhile or Dedalus-Dedalus |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 21:49
Actually. This is a perfect reccomendation. Liquid Trio Experiment could be another, not Mahavishnu Orchestra. Sorry Goldbamsen, you'll blow his head off with that rec. lol you gotta be in a special mood for say 'Birds of Fire.' ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
dr wu23 wrote:Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 22:02
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Everyone: thanks for your suggestions! I will check out black utopia, brainstorm, and various liquid experiments! To everyone who said "Mahavishnu" - good call! : their song Vital Transformation (from Inner Mounting Flame) is exactly what I'd like to hear more of. ALso: The Magician, which is a super fast, everyone-playing-in-unison song from Return To Forever's album Romantic Warrior. So maybe I should have said: Can anyone recommend songs like Vital Transformation or The Magician? |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: May 11 2013 at 22:06
Nah...he could handle Birds Of Fire...there are some slower bits on it. btw I was lucky enough to see them in Chicago in 1974 or 75..can't recall the exact year. Blame it on my age.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 00:21
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I think what the OP is looking for is the band Tribal Tech, and maybe some of Scott Henderson's solo stuff. Tribal Tech is the kind of band where everyone is usually firing on all cylinders, and it's good fusion. I recommend Face First, Illicit, or their newest one "X", also their debut s/t is very good. Also, check out Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, they all have incredible chops, they're very flashy, not to mention mix up styles a lot, and of course, Victor Wooten is one of the great bassists to ever live. Check out Three Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Live Art, and Outbound (which has a couple of tracks featuring Jon Anderson from Yes) A serious "show-offy" fusion album (but good) is Greg Howe's "Extraction" album, with Victor Wooten and Dennis Chambers. That's some serious fusion right there!!! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 01:07
| Wow, I really should check out Tribaltech then, heard about Henderson, obviously. And I already love Bela Fleck & the Flecktones. I just hope TT aren't too much on the metal side of fusion, I prefer less 'noisy' drums in fusion (not to say, less busy) a la Cobham, Collins, Gadd, Lenny White, etc. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 02:17
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One Shot
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 16:07
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Maybe this is what you seek Or this ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 16:23
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CAB |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 12 2013 at 16:49
I would go with UFOTOFU as their flashiest. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 18:45
Planet X (and Derek Sherinian solo) and Liquid Tension Experiment. While they've soul and style to spare, Niacin is another band for you to check out, especially the last three albums (newest first), Krush, Organik and Time Crunch. Lots of breakneck passages. You can't go wrong with a bass guitar wiz like Billy Sheehan. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 19:00
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@tapfret: that is a really good call with the Hiromi Uehara! I was at
my local Prog bar and asked the owner pretty much what I asked you guys,
and Uehara was his immediate response. @all: thanks for all the suggestions as always. What I learned is basically this: I don't like fusion after the '70s. I need moogs and perididdles and horn shredding. Although I do like certain modern bands like Niacin, most contemporary fusion sounds like a late-night talk show house band to me. @presdoug: thanks for mentioning Dedalus! They were nice! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 19:23
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You may want to then check out Brand X, their first 4-5 albums are all classic fusion, late 70s, Phil Collins was the drummer for a few albums.
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Posted By: Josh18293
Date Posted: May 13 2013 at 20:39
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Brand X Music for Music
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 15:04
...said no one ever until that moment....  Tokyo might be a vacation destination just for that. And here is another for you. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 22:20
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@josh: I love Brand X, but what is "music for music"? @tapfret: thanks, that mats\morgan is nice. . . I love the high speed, the drummer and the wonderful sort of Rain Man-ish keyboard player. I just wish there was more heads and less solos. As for the prog bar, sadly it went out of business. There is another prog bar though, mostly specializing in Hammond organ music. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 23:04
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Here's another one you may want to check out immediately Jonas Hellborg - "e" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 23:21
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hmmm....I was going to suggest Brand X, but they've been covered (try "Masques"!) How about this? |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: May 14 2013 at 23:39
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 01:06
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Trioscapes..bass,drums and sax.Awesome stuff. -------------  |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 08:16
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Billy Cobham's Spectrum might be a good one as well. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 16:23
| the debut album by Back Door |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 16:33
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I can't believe nobody yet has mentioned French band Syrinx, or maybe I can, but I am still outraged!!!!! Their second album Qualia is beyond complex, but somehow it works. Hmmmm I guess you can say the same thing bout the debut too, it's just that I imagine the op's taste lean towards the metallic side of things. Still you won't find a lot of heavy metal guitars, the heaviness comes from Chapman stick, drums and iron like acoustic guitars, that sound like barbed wire vibrating. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 16:34
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Also Jean-Louis. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 21:59
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Thanks again everyone! That Alan Holdsworth "SAHARA OF SNOW" song is pretty much exactly what i wanted! I 'll also check out the syrinx. I was listening to the first album of CHICK COREA'S ELEKTRIC BAND, which has a very unusual sound. Like there's 3 or 4 layers of drums and it's impossible for me to tell what is drum machine, what is MIDI triggers, and what is real drums which are somehow processed to sound fake. It's very 80s, but also deeply weird. I'd love to mute all the melodies and just explore the percussion on that album . . . .but i want to do that to EVERY album. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 15 2013 at 23:09
I suggest going backwards in time & checking out the early to mid-1970's Return To Forever albums! My favorite of the bunch is "Where Have I Known You Before?" Check this out, these young geniuses were at the top of their games! |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 03:31
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If you like guitar oriented fusion, crank this up and enjoy! Mr. Petrucci please see, there's more than sheer speed to great playing. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 11:54
I never really interpreted them as "show-offy," just always seems like they are having too much fun. Great band, though. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 11:57
I tend to agree, but they're still insanely complex. Some people interpret that as show-offy ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 14:25
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"Show-offy" is a great description! Certain artists were in love with themselves and their image, and it showed in their recordings and concerts. I always considered Al Dimeola to be one of the most guilty, his "Elegant Gypsy" days were especially egregious! Damn good music and some of the best guitar work I ever saw or heard, but, uh, he was a bit "in love" with himself. |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 15:05
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IMO, Allan Holdsworth is not really that show-offy. It's almost like calling John Coltrane show-offy (not that bad, but still). He just has tons of musical ideas. But yes, his music has a very inhuman feel, with almost no traditional emotion. I would recommend getting heavily into him. Also check the band U.K., and Soft Machine's "Bundles".
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 15:41
You're going to want to check out The Aristocrats. Just listened to the debut today, absolutely incredible. You got Guthrie Govan, Marco Minneman and Bryan Beller. And I mean, these guys rips, like virtuosos. Some of the best Instrumental/ Fusion I've heard in a while. Fusion done well.  ------------- 
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 16:29
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I was searching for something by Steve Morse & the Dixie Dregs, and THIS is really over the top!! Good heavens, prog on "American Bandstand" with Dick Clark?? |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 17:11
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Czeslaw Niemen. More songwriting based w**kery? This is more show-offy in polyrhythm. I know this isn't really considered jazz/fusion... but I always consider to be jazz. (Same drummer as Zevious. Damn he's good.) Hope I wasn't a complete not help on this. :D ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: May 16 2013 at 18:19
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 05:44
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The great Spanish fusion band Iceberg |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 05:49
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I am definitely posting some French delights in here, when I get home to my computer. To think it sits there all day without a spasy danish dude tapping it's keys... poor thing. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 13:54
Holy crap, that was awesome. American Bandstand! Alex Ligertwood was great in Santana. I saw Alex's band in '00 up close at a benefit (stage was same level as the audience). In the band was Chicago's Jason Scheff, future Tom Petty drummer Steve Ferrone, and keyboardist extraordinaire Vince DiCola. They did some smooth rock tunes and then the band would light things up with some incendiary instrumental workouts. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 14:05
Well, it did have a good beat and you can dance to it.
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: May 17 2013 at 14:21
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Dream Theater ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 18 2013 at 10:06
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As promised, here's some Syrinx: What about some One Shot? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: May 24 2013 at 14:25
Three excellent recommendations...
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Posted By: tokyoganglion
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 02:16
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@guldbamsen: thank you for introducing me to Syrinx! That is wonderful
stuff. It doesn't really sound like any other band, and best of all: no
singing! @gerinski: That Iceberg song "NOVA" is pretty great too, I'll try to get that album. I went through a Spanish Prog phase last year but somehow missed them. Not surprising. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 02:53
You're welcome, if you are interested I have reviewed all their albums. Sentiments and Coses Nostres are their best IMO. In Spain in the 70's they were informally referred to as 'the Spanish Mahavishnu'
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Posted By: Chozal
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 05:56
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Top-notch contemporary fusion, quite technical at times : ------------- https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Infinite-Progability-Drive/141225469388975" rel="nofollow - The Infinite Progability Drive , feeding you daily progressive/weird music for just a like <3 |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 06:59
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I'd like to recommend those beautiful instrumentals by Smak %3ca%20href=" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1550 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 11:10
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I think http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7346" rel="nofollow - The Viola Crayola are decently show-offy: |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 12:30
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Another great jazz rock / fusion band from Tito's Yugoslavia (Slovenia). |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 12:58
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There's an American band called Avant Garden that are way over the top with their technical, in your face style. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 25 2013 at 13:26
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Dean Watson is a Canadian multi-intrumentalist and he just smokes ! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 17:15
They are no longer. I saw them play in 2002. Really good fusion in a guitar-woodwinds-bass-drums format...no keyboards. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: May 26 2013 at 17:46
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And how could I forget Panzerballett. Well known for their jazzy, metally deconstructionist mashup cover tunes. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: timbo
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 05:08
In-your-face fusion with blindingly fast runs, and horn shredding? Chase! They even have an entry on Prog Archives: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3059" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3059 |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: May 28 2013 at 23:58
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Metak Za Zlikovca (transl. "A Bullet For A Criminal") is a current band from Serbia http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/metak-za-zlikovca.aspx?ac=met" rel="nofollow - http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/metak-za-zlikovca.aspx?ac=met
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