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Topic: Fastest prog band
Posted By: BaldJean
Subject: Fastest prog band
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 06:28
I find it interesting that no-one ever asked that question. which band do you consider to be the fastest prog band?

perhaps I should define what I mean by that. I don't mean "playing generally fast", on the contrary. I mean "which band can reach the highest speed in a song"? it does not matter if other passages of the song are slow or if the band is usually not that fast and only has one song in which they extremely speed up.

I don't  mean studio, by the way (you can speed up things with a lot of tricks there), I mean live. please give examples, best from YouTube or the likes. I have my own opinion on the topic, by the way, which will be surprising to many, but I will give examples.

oh, and just to make it clear: I am by no means of the opinion "faster is better". there is no general merit in playing extremely fast. but sometimes it can have an amazing effect


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 06:46
Some pretty fast parts here

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 07:19
Vitalij Kuprij keyboard parts with Artension are usually fast.  This sample is not their best thing, anyway. 





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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 07:22
Less metal, more prog....pretty fast






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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 07:24
after keyboard and bass, a bit of fast drums




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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 07:39
Another Speed freak
 


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Posted By: stf
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 08:04
"Less metal, more prog"
I'd like to see that on a t-shirt.
(...worn by me.)
Smile


Posted By: Hamlet Transportinae
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 08:20
When music becomes sport, art dies. But it is dead long ago anyway. So... Doesn't surprise me to read all this.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 08:48
Originally posted by stf stf wrote:

"Less metal, more prog"
I'd like to see that on a t-shirt.
(...worn by me.)
Smile

If you find one, let me know, I'll also buy one.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 09:40
Octopus-4, I said "no studio recordings".

anyway, here is my choice:








(since this is a very long track, listen to the passge between the 30 and 40 minute mark)


(another long track, but should be heard in its entirety; it gets really really fast towards the end)

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 09:45
Sorry, The thread title is so interesting that I haven't read your whole post. Ay least2 out of 3 were live...

I absolutely love Magma but I'm more in their studio things )a coincidence, not by choice)


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 09:47
Originally posted by Hamlet Transportinae Hamlet Transportinae wrote:

When music becomes sport, art dies. But it is dead long ago anyway. So... Doesn't surprise me to read all this.

did you read my introductory post? I think I made it clear there what I think of playing fast in general


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:07
Re groups live, the two I've seen (either live or on video) who seem to reach the highest speeds on occasion are Deus ex Machina and Dream Theater.  (Your Magma videos are great, though.)  There are some "thrash metal" bands who can attain speeds that are truly breath-taking (or absurd, depending on how you look at it...LOL).  I would say the fastest drummers (overall) I've heard (who are actually playing complicated parts, not just keeping a beat) are Claudio Trotta from Deus ex Machina, Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater, Carl Palmer, and the guy from Ruins.  Fastest guitarists would have to include McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Petrucci, and Fripp.


Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:26
VDGG's Pioneers Over C.

(11:10 - 12:35 Shocked)





Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:40
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 Fastest guitarists would have to include McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Petrucci, and Fripp.

No argument there!  

John Goodsall of Brand X is another fret-burner...but I'd have to say that Petrucci is the fastest I've ever seen (I've been playing for over forty years!)


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:50
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 Fastest guitarists would have to include McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Petrucci, and Fripp.

No argument there!  

John Goodsall of Brand X is another fret-burner...but I'd have to say that Petrucci is the fastest I've ever seen (I've been playing for over forty years!)


Yes, Petruccci is some virtuoso, DT and many prog metal bands have some fast guitars players. But i don't think we should judge the quality of the music by this value only.


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 13:56
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Re groups live, the two I've seen (either live or on video) who seem to reach the highest speeds on occasion are Deus ex Machina and Dream Theater.  (Your Magma videos are great, though.)  There are some "thrash metal" bands who can attain speeds that are truly breath-taking (or absurd, depending on how you look at it...LOL).  I would say the fastest drummers (overall) I've heard (who are actually playing complicated parts, not just keeping a beat) are Claudio Trotta from Deus ex Machina, Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater, Carl Palmer, and the guy from Ruins.  Fastest guitarists would have to include McLaughlin, Holdsworth, Petrucci, and Fripp.

well, the Magma stuff is definitely very complicated too. take for example the riff in the final section of "De Futura". it does sound easy, but it is very tricky


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 15:47
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Sorry, The thread title is so interesting that I haven't read your whole post. Ay least2 out of 3 were live...

I absolutely love Magma but I'm more in their studio things )a coincidence, not by choice)


Magma's live work is absolutely unreal, even compared to their studio albums.

I misread the title as "fattest" and had thoughts of Chris Squire


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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 15:51
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Sorry, The thread title is so interesting that I haven't read your whole post. Ay least2 out of 3 were live...

I absolutely love Magma but I'm more in their studio things )a coincidence, not by choice)


Magma's live work is absolutely unreal, even compared to their studio albums.

I misread the title as "fattest" and had thoughts of Chris Squire

Chris Squire and Greg Lake should start a band named "Fat Bass" LOL


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 16:10
Gentle Giant sometimew pics up some spped while playin live version of Proclamation is breath- taking

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Posted By: Hamlet Transportinae
Date Posted: July 12 2013 at 17:31
Actually I love the conception of fattest prog band. I would definitely take it more seriously.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 02:15
As far as a whole band playing together, I always thought PFM's live version of "Celebration" on "Cook" was pretty fast.  Also I know we're only supposed to list live recordings, but PFM's "Out on the Roundabout" from "Chocolate Kings" does this incredible speed-up section where they end up just flying.


The 2 fastest live prog guitar parts I know of both come from Mr Fripp.  The 1st isn't a solo, but the flatpicking quiet middle section of "Fracture" on "Starless and Bible Black" (which of course was a studio album but "Fracture" came from a live recording).  I saw Fripp play this at close range during his 1979 Frippertronics tour at a Tower Records...you could tell the guitarists in the audience, their jaws were on the floor.  The 2nd fastest guitar part was Fripp's "Satori in Tangier" solo from the 1984 "Live in Japan" video.



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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 12:00
Why live and not studio ....?
 
At any rate, I've seen Mahavishnu with McLaughlin in the old days and in between the slower parts they do some  very fast runs and solos. I go for John and the boys.


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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 12:14
Prostet the hero, the tech-extreme-metal band are pretty fast, so fast that lost me there somewhere when i am trying to find the melody in their music.Confused


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 12:18
Fastest?? Seems pretty broad here.

Well as far as Guitar is concerned I've Never Heard faster shredding done by Herman Li of DragonForce.
Not really a prog band, just more speed-metal really....literally! Lol

Drums--Mike Mangini with annihilator. Holy crap man!

King Crimson. They can get pretty crazy fast. I love the speed up process build up on 21st century schizoid man.
Wooooooow!

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 12:31
Originally posted by Hamlet Transportinae Hamlet Transportinae wrote:

Actually I love the conception of fattest prog band. I would definitely take it more seriously.
LOL

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 12:32
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Hamlet Transportinae Hamlet Transportinae wrote:

Actually I love the conception of fattest prog band. I would definitely take it more seriously.
LOL

Can we switch the topic to fattest?! 


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 13:25
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Why live and not studio ....?
 


Probably because it's much more impressive to be able to do it consistently and live, than to have the option of taking several takes to get it perfect in the studio.


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 14:44
hi German Girls . THIS is the fastest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRjzHT0ad4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QRjzHT0ad4


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 14:56
You want fast ? How about this for fast :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WSKh6lOQM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WSKh6lOQM




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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 15:09
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

You want fast ? How about this for fast :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WSKh6lOQM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4WSKh6lOQM




This bass player does some fast part, but that band is not in the fast band category.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 15:48
Not very prog but the fastest guitarist I've seen live, I give you Mr Alvin Lee




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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 15:57
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Not very prog but the fastest guitarist I've seen live, I give you Mr Alvin Lee

Great call.  I remember when the Woodstock movie came out and everyone went nuts over how fast Alvin Lee could play LOL


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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 19:09
cstack3: Having seen both live, there is no question in my mind that, as fast as Petrucci is, McLaughlin is faster.  (And he can DEFINITELY play CHORDS faster!)  BTW, when asked by an interviewer how fast he played, Zappa once said, "For every 8 notes you THINK I've played, I've played 16."  LOL.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 19:30
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

cstack3: Having seen both live, there is no question in my mind that, as fast as Petrucci is, McLaughlin is faster.  (And he can DEFINITELY play CHORDS faster!)  BTW, when asked by an interviewer how fast he played, Zappa once said, "For every 8 notes you THINK I've played, I've played 16."  LOL.


I believe you. Think you are right. ;) McLaughlin is a shredd demon.



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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 19:32
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:


Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:


Originally posted by Hamlet Transportinae Hamlet Transportinae wrote:

Actually I love the conception of fattest prog band. I would definitely take it more seriously.

LOL

Can we switch the topic to fattest?! 


I think Rothery got pretty big at one point, but then lost a bunch about 10 years ago.
He was pretty big at one point. It got to the point where he started wearing sweats on stage. Lol

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 13 2013 at 21:08
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

cstack3: Having seen both live, there is no question in my mind that, as fast as Petrucci is, McLaughlin is faster.  (And he can DEFINITELY play CHORDS faster!)  BTW, when asked by an interviewer how fast he played, Zappa once said, "For every 8 notes you THINK I've played, I've played 16."  LOL.

I've seen all of 'em live, as well as Al Dimeola, Holdsworth, etc.  They can all burn!  Frank Gambale is another one! 

You are right that John McLaughlin invented burning fretboards, check this out:




Posted By: Hamlet Transportinae
Date Posted: July 14 2013 at 05:43
I sort of really like that my idea grew in minds. Although I feel sorry for Rothery :( 


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 14 2013 at 07:07
To be fair to the two hippies that started the thread, this was always going to end in tiaras tears (we've already veered off into whose yer fave speed typist shredder w.a.n.k already)Ouch

For what it's worth and I guess this is pretty obscure: the astonishing accelerando during Chou Pahrot's Sylphonic Diplivits has always caused my jaw to drop in wonder

Similarly, King Crimson's ability to compress lyrical musical themes into a miniscule portion of their previously allotted space on Starless and preserve their enduring musicality is forever remarkableShocked


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Posted By: Hamlet Transportinae
Date Posted: July 14 2013 at 10:56
Let us never remember Yngwie Malmsteen, not prog enough Headbanger(although I already w.a.n.k.). Actually he's fat, too, if following the line of the second topic.


Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: July 14 2013 at 12:32
Govan Guthrie

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 14 2013 at 13:30
Originally posted by Hamlet Transportinae Hamlet Transportinae wrote:

Let us never remember Yngwie Malmsteen, not prog enough Headbanger(although I already w.a.n.k.). Actually he's fat, too, if following the line of the second topic.


I bet he'd start playing prog if he was in The Big Ol' Boys Band with Rothery, Squire and Lake


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Posted By: Hamlet Transportinae
Date Posted: July 15 2013 at 05:28
Lake got fat, too?


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 15 2013 at 06:55
Not my favourite Dixie Dregs stuff but Allen Sloan and Steve Morse duel pretty fast here (and without distortion)
 


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 15 2013 at 07:05
And what about the late Shawn Lane? as fast as Petrucci and more tasteful IMO (incidentally he got very fat too, but in his case it was because of illness)
 


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 15 2013 at 22:56
As good as it gets............


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 01:33
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

As far as a whole band playing together, I always thought PFM's live version of "Celebration" on "Cook" was pretty fast.  Also I know we're only supposed to list live recordings, but PFM's "Out on the Roundabout" from "Chocolate Kings" does this incredible speed-up section where they end up just flying.





exactly what sprung to my mind . PFM I think picked ths up touring with ELPSmile

and talking of ELP






Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 01:40
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

after keyboard and bass, a bit of fast drums



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