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Topic: Prog Rock Fame and Day Jobs
Posted By: Smurph
Subject: Prog Rock Fame and Day Jobs
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 11:50
Horrible musicians are always told to not quit their day jobs... But sadly, many of the greatest Prog rock groups never find success and they must continue working a day job.


What are the day jobs of some of your favorite Prog rock musicians? (I know pink Floyd and Yes and the biggest groups never had to do this, but what about Van Der Graaf, Thumpermonkey Lives, or Anglagard?)

I honestly couldn't tell you what some of these people do to get by and to fund their musical endeavors.

Does anyone here know?

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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 12:01
Although XTC may not be a prog band, this story fits the bill for the kind of thing I think you're looking for:
After releasing Nonsuch, Andy Partridge went on strike in protest against Virgin records.  This lasted for at least ten years (Apple Venus, Wasp Star and the Fuzzy Warbles series came out after and showed what he had been working on in the interim).  Unfortunately, as Andy was the primary songwriter, this left Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory with little to no income during this period.  Apparently, they were working for a moving company in the Swindon area.  The thought of such great musicians shifting sofas in a van was always pretty depressing to me.  But work is work, and bills have to be paid.


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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 12:04
Yea very true.

Also I am asking this for selfish reasons... It makes it less depressing to work a dead end job knowing about favorite musicians that had to do the same

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 12:13
Great diverse musicians who rate above and beyond anyone in the band YES, K.C., or anyone for that matter....BUT..have never taken that giant leap to fame , have day jobs. I recall the first time I became a member of P.A., a snotty nosed (I have no business opening my trap..kind of person), actually thought that just because a musician hadn't made it, that placed the band YES levels above them. regarding musicianship. ?????? really?  I guess that means that any musician who studied piano at Julliard can't possibly reach the level of Rick Wakeman........cause Rick Wakeman is a "STAR" right? There are pianist's who have never once attended a music college to study anything whatsoever on manuscript paper and have been born with the talent to surpass anything Wakeman could play. ...any day of the week....
 
Happy the Man members had day positions. Perhaps they took leave when the band decided to reunite for the 2000 tour on Nearfest. Very common for the struggling bands to uphold day positions. Many dive into production or teaching. Then they finance a tour ...only to a degree...as some prog vendors gamble their finances away by assembling a prog fest.


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 13:05
Is it a problem ? I don't think having a job is the worst thing than can happen.
Artist make art because they have to make art, some also have commercial success others don't.
That is how it has always been, and its not always fair, but most things in life ain't fair.
And it's not different in prog, than in other genres or styles of art.


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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 13:57
One of the guitar players in Neurosis is a schoolteacher and I think the other members have day  jobs too.
Hasse Froberg (TFK) works (or used to work) at an airport in Sweden and apart from that he does a lot of theaterwork there, doing more gigs than the rest of the band combined.

I think that the romantic idea of the big rock star with the glorious lifestyle is mostly not true.and that the vasat majority of bands needed day jobs or they chose not to have to live off their music because if they'd have to make a living doing music their music would suck.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 14:37
Keith Emerson worked as a courier for a while in the 90's but this was by choice not necessity.Allowed him to get out on his motor bike His original day job was working in a bank but he by his own admission he wasn't very good at it.




Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 14:40
I read on youtube somewhere that someone had Daniel Gildenlow from Pain of Salvation as a music teacher in middle school or something.  He introduced him to their first music video for the song Pilgrim (from Hour By the Concrete Lake). The class didn't really get... but If I was in middle school I would probably have the same reaction. Wink  Anyway, I investigated and it looks like its true!  Daniel has had day jobs as a music teacher and computer teacher, check it out:

http://se.skillpages.com/music-composer/stockholm-sweden/daniel.gildenlow/1" rel="nofollow - http://se.skillpages.com/music-composer/stockholm-sweden/daniel.gildenlow/1


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 15:42
Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)

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Posted By: Lebofsky
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 16:52
I am actively in MoeTar, miRthkon, *and* Secret Chiefs 3 (among other projects). I'm recording a lot and touring the world 3-4 months out of the year... But I still have (and need) my day job of 19+ years. Of course that day job is working on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, so I'm not complaining.

I don't mind having to work to support my art. Being just a musician would be nightmare to me. I need to live an active life outside of music to inspire me to make more music. Otherwise it would just be music *about* music.

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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 17:13
When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 21:18
Originally posted by questionsneverknown

Although XTC may not be a prog band, this story fits the bill for the kind of thing I think you're looking for:
After releasing Nonsuch, Andy Partridge went on strike in protest against Virgin records.  This lasted for at least ten years (Apple Venus, Wasp Star and the Fuzzy Warbles series came out after and showed what he had been working on in the interim).  Unfortunately, as Andy was the primary songwriter, this left Colin Moulding and Dave Gregory with little to no income during this period.  Apparently, they were working for a moving company in the Swindon area.  The thought of such great musicians shifting sofas in a van was always pretty depressing to me.  But work is work, and bills have to be paid.

That's so messed up--XTC was a great group ---hope Jon Anderson isn't pushing coffee at Starbucks any time soonLOL


Posted By: tolcc
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 22:58
Bruce Dickinson apart from being in Iron Maiden is an airline pilot, author, broadcaster and entrepreneur.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 16 2013 at 23:42
Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink

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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 00:20
Originally posted by presdoug

Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)


So was Jerry! Wink


Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 05:25
Originally posted by maani

When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.


Yoshihisa Shimizu, the leader of Kenso (Japan's foremost "symphonic fusion" band in the vein of Bruford and Brand X) is a dentist as well. Apparently he always plays live wearing his white dentist coat.


Posted By: jaycoh56
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 09:05
VDGG, to my knowledge, were full time musicians


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 12:35
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.
 
This may endear him greatly to my adopted son, but not to me.


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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 14:23
Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.
 
This may endear him greatly to my adopted son, but not to me.

Ouch, and I thought Phil Collins sold out... Ouch



Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 15:47
Lots of day jobs in Caravan. David Sinclair owns a small piano shop in Herne Bay, Richard Coughlan (a trained dental technician) leads some kind of pub somewhere in Kent, and Richard Sinclair spent some years as a carpenter.

Christoph Noppeney of German folk/symphonic rock group Hoelderlin studied medicine after his music career and now works as a http://www.kinderarzt-noppeney.de/Noppeney.htm" rel="nofollow - pediatrician in Germany .  


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 15:49
Colosseum's Dick Heckstall-Smith was at one point a taxi driver.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 15:55
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.
 
This may endear him greatly to my adopted son, but not to me.

Ouch, and I thought Phil Collins sold out... Ouch


I think Derek did it to take revenge on all those people who ignored Gentle Giant Evil Smile


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 16:17
I've heard that Don Van Vliet aka "Captain Beefheart" sculpted natural objects on a weekly children's television show, but I believe that was before he had started his musical career.

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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 16:22
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.
 
This may endear him greatly to my adopted son, but not to me.

Ouch, and I thought Phil Collins sold out... Ouch


I think Derek did it to take revenge on all those people who ignored Gentle Giant Evil Smile

And boy did that turn out to be the most effective revenge play ever! LOL



Posted By: I-Juca Pirama
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 17:31
Also from Queen, Brian May is a PhD in astrophysics and is from some NGO that protects animals.
As for John Deacon, he's retired, hasn't him?


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 18:01
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink


Yeah. Those Sam Dunn docs are really good. I've watched all ten parts.
I loved the interview with Yngwie Malmsteen. He is so arrogant! Had no idea. Lol

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 18:06
Eric Clayton Of Savior Machine worked as a security guard for a large financial company and he is a carpenter like Jesus Christ himself. How fitting. ;)

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 18:06
Originally posted by Smurph

What are the day jobs of some of your favorite Prog rock musicians?
Haven't heard much from their catalog except for a few songs, but The Crazy World of Arthur Brown's frontman (and, as it turns out, Jimmy Carl Black) spent a few years as a painter and carpenter. That's right ... after spending some time in the band.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 18:22
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink


Yeah. Those Sam Dunn docs are really good. I've watched all ten parts.
I loved the interview with Yngwie Malmsteen. He is so arrogant! Had no idea. Lol

I've seen them all too...they're very well done.  I was always bummed though that he never did one focusing on my favourite metal genre...Doom.  He could have started with Sabbath then worked his way through Candlemass, My Dying Bride, Type O Negative, early Opeth and wrapped it up with Cathedral and their 22 year career Bowdown

As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on "That Metal Show".  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego Wink



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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 19:28
Before you get too "down" on Derek Shulman:

"In 1988, he became president and CEO of Atco Records, where he signed the progressive metal band Dream Theater as well as Pantera. He also re-established the careers of AC/DC and Bad Company, both of whom sold multi-platinum albums under his watch."

Re XTC, they stopped touring for the same reason Crimson did not a short while: like Fripp at one point, Partridge simply "flipped out" during the last XTC tour, and could not continue. XTC ceased being a touring band at that point, because Partridge simply could not take "the road."


Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 21:13
Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.


Huh... I did not know that


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 23:25
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Smurph

What are the day jobs of some of your favorite Prog rock musicians?
Haven't heard much from their catalog except for a few songs, but The Crazy World of Arthur Brown's frontman (and, as it turns out, Jimmy Carl Black) spent a few years as a painter and carpenter. That's right ... after spending some time in the band.

Jimmy Carl Black's money problems were documented for posterity on Uncle Meat...there's that between song interlude with a money argument between him & FZ Wink


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 23:52
Didn't Derek Sherinian give piano lessons after he left Dream Theater to help pay some bills?



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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 17 2013 at 23:53
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on "That Metal Show".  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego




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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 02:36
Originally posted by fuxi

Originally posted by maani

When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.


Yoshihisa Shimizu, the leader of Kenso (Japan's foremost "symphonic fusion" band in the vein of Bruford and Brand X) is a dentist as well. Apparently he always plays live wearing his white dentist coat.
 
I also read that from Joe Cairney from neo prog band Comedy Of Errors.
Prog dentists, working against the caries caused by musical fast food LOL 


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 02:37
We know Ant Phillips as composer from library music, and I recall him also giving music lessons. Well, at least that's all music.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 02:39
I remember IQ's former lead singer Paul Menel saying in an interview that after leaving IQ he worked at a greengrocer's store.


Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 11:45
Originally posted by Einsetumadur

Richard Coughlan (a trained dental technician) leads some kind of pub somewhere in Kent, 

And we we're just informed that Roger Taylor and Yoshihisa Shimizu are also dentists.

Have we just discovered some strange, previously not understood, yet vital link between prog and dentistry?  Is the cover of The Mothers' Uncle Meat the ultimate clue in this conceptual continuity?


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Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 11:48
Originally posted by
As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on That Metal Show.  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego Wink
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A friend of mine and I continue to use a phrase that we came across in a Guitar Player magazine when we were in college in the 80s: "Yngwie copies no one!"
It was, of course, Yngwie who said this.

A friend of mine and I continue to use a phrase that we came across in a Guitar Player magazine when we were in college in the 80s: "Yngwie copies no one!"
It was, of course, Yngwie who said this.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 14:47
Former Triumvirat drummer/lyricist Hans Bathelt became a software designer, though i think that occurred after the band split.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 15:07
Roger Powell - keyboardist for Todd Rundgren's Utopia - and member of David Bowie's 1978 touring band - had a few interesting day jobs as a computer programmer/synthesist.  Before joining Utopia in 1973 he wrote the "Patches and Tutorial" manual for the ARP Odyssey synth.  In the 80's he created one of the early advanced MIDI sequencer programs "Texture" for both the IBM PC and Amiga platforms.  Around 2007 he was working at Apple.  A few years later he left to work for game company Electronic Arts.  Don't know what he's up to today.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:53
Originally posted by verslibre

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on "That Metal Show".  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego




I second that.

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:54
Originally posted by presdoug

Colosseum's Dick Heckstall-Smith was at one point a taxi driver.


I read this really fast and I thought it said Colossal dick Heckstall....

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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:57
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink


Yeah. Those Sam Dunn docs are really good. I've watched all ten parts.
I loved the interview with Yngwie Malmsteen. He is so arrogant! Had no idea. Lol

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<span style="line-height: 1.2;">I've seen them all too...they're very well done.  I was always bummed though that he never did one focusing on my favourite metal genre...Doom.  He could have started with Sabbath then worked his way through Candlemass, My Dying Bride, Type O Negative, early Opeth and wrapped it up with Cathedral and their 22 year career Bowdown</span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;"></span>
<span style="line-height: 1.2;">As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on "That Metal Show".  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego Wink</span>


Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 23:04
Originally posted by progbethyname


Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

I can tell you that my clear favourite is their 1st album, "As the Flower Withers"...it's an absolute early 90's doom metal masterpiece - though the 'doom growl vokills' will be offputting to anyone here who dislikes Mikael A's Opeth growl.  All their albums after that became less and less doom-metal and more goth-metal with clean vocals...still slow and sludgy but much less extreme.


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 18 2013 at 23:14
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by verslibre

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

As far as Yngwie, you should try and catch reruns of his guest appearances on "That Metal Show".  They have to go wide angle lens just to capture his entire ego




I second that.

In a Spinal Tap interview after the release of "Break Like the Wind", they had this to say about Yngwie.

Nigel Tufnel: "I just heard Yngwie J Malmsteen the other day, I'm now using my guitar as a coffee table".

David St Hubbins: "Yngwie J Malmsteen...I like how he puts the 'J' in there.  That way you won't confuse him with all the other Yngwie Malmsteen's out there".  Wink


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 00:12
Originally posted by presdoug

Former Triumvirat drummer/lyricist Hans Bathelt became a software designer, though i think that occurred after the band split.
Herb Schildt of Starcastle as well: "Herbert Schildt is an American musician, computing author and a Windows programmer. His books, particularly on C and Java programming, have been best-sellers in three decades."  I got one of his C programming books in the late 80s.


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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 01:37
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

David St Hubbins: "Yngwie J Malmsteen...I like how he puts the 'J' in there.  That way you won't confuse him with all the other Yngwie Malmsteen's out there".


I remember that...and I love it!

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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 02:27
Originally posted by Neo-Romantic

Originally posted by Hercules

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Derek Shulman (Gentle Giant vocalist) works in the recording industry I think as an A&R man.  I was watching a metal documentary ("Metal Evolution") and he was interviewed about something, but during his time onscreen his title was given as "Record Executive" rather than what it should have been, "Vocalist for one of the Greatest Prog Bands of all Time" Wink
 
He was president of Roadrunner records and signed both Nickelback and Pantera.
 
This may endear him greatly to my adopted son, but not to me.

Ouch, and I thought Phil Collins sold out... Ouch

Having a job, and earning a living is not selling out, its just a job.
He did the music he wanted to do, it was great !, now he is working within the industri, what is wrong with that.
 
Its not like he is John Lennon swimming in money, and could sign a sh*tload of gentle giant wannabee's
loosing a million a day.


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 03:25
Originally posted by jaycoh56

VDGG, to my knowledge, were full time musicians


Hugh Banton has worked as an organ builder since he left VdGG in 1976.

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Posted By: josuu
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 05:15
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by progbethyname


Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

I can tell you that my clear favourite is their 1st album, "As the Flower Withers"...it's an absolute early 90's doom metal masterpiece - though the 'doom growl vokills' will be offputting to anyone here who dislikes Mikael A's Opeth growl.  All their albums after that became less and less doom-metal and more goth-metal with clean vocals...still slow and sludgy but much less extreme.
 
This has nothing to do with the subject on the thread, but I absolutely love My Dying Bride. Turn Loose the Swans & Angel and the Dark River are my favourites. The debut is still missing from my MDB discography so can't comment anything on that though.


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 05:59
About the Gentle Giants:

Phil Shulman: After leaving the band in 1972, he returned to his daily job as a teacher. After that career was over he opened a gift shop in Portsmouth.
Ray Shulman: Used to be involved in music for commercials and produced a few very successful bands such as The Sugarcubes and The Sundays. Now he is the manager of Orinoco Sound Source which is a video game music production company
Kerry: Is writing music for television shows and giving music lessons. In recent years he is running a company named Alucard (after the band's title, which is Dracula in reverse). The company is taking care of the band's royalties and copyrights.
Gary: Is living near Chicago and was playing in several bands across the States, until he couldn't play no more.
But when I saw him in The Three Friends concert a few months ago he was simply superb!
John Weathers: He was a member of the band Man during the 90's, until he couldn't play no more, and he is living in Wales working in various jobs.
Martin Smith: The band's first drummer died in 1997 at the age of 50.
Malcolm Mortimore: was also fantastic in the Three Friends concert.

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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 08:29
Originally posted by Lebofsky

I am actively in MoeTar, miRthkon, *and* Secret Chiefs 3 (among other projects). I'm recording a lot and touring the world 3-4 months out of the year... But I still have (and need) my day job of 19+ years. Of course that day job is working on the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, so I'm not complaining.

I don't mind having to work to support my art. Being just a musician would be nightmare to me. I need to live an active life outside of music to inspire me to make more music. Otherwise it would just be music *about* music.

- Matt

hey Matt pretty cool to see you have a PA user :D .
I was just about to write how I saw an interview with Wally where he still has a day job. Also since when are you in SC3??? That's pretty furking awesome!! 


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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 14:00
Isn't Ian Anderson a trout farmer, although I guess he can live of his music.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 14:17
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

I can tell you that my clear favourite is their 1st album, "As the Flower Withers"...it's an absolute early 90's doom metal masterpiece - though the 'doom growl vokills' will be offputting to anyone here who dislikes Mikael A's Opeth growl.  All their albums after that became less and less doom-metal and more goth-metal with clean vocals...still slow and sludgy but much less extreme.


Good to know. I did read up on them at one point and remember someone saying that the harsher/doom metal style dissipates over the course of their career going forward. I'd definitely would like to here their first album. Is their music like GodSpeed...you black emperor ? Their pretty good a doom metal too :)

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 14:32
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

I can tell you that my clear favourite is their 1st album, "As the Flower Withers"...it's an absolute early 90's doom metal masterpiece - though the 'doom growl vokills' will be offputting to anyone here who dislikes Mikael A's Opeth growl.  All their albums after that became less and less doom-metal and more goth-metal with clean vocals...still slow and sludgy but much less extreme.


Good to know. I did read up on them at one point and remember someone saying that the harsher/doom metal style dissipates over the course of their career going forward. I'd definitely would like to here their first album. Is their music like GodSpeed...you black emperor ? Their pretty good a doom metal too :)

They definitely morphed over time into Type O Negative/November's Doom style goth metal.  They sound nothing like Godspeed.  If anything, the first album is much closer musically to early Cathedral, early Celtic Frost, and Candlemass.

This is my fave song off "As the Flower Withers" and is pretty much representative of the whole album...

[TUBE]qjQ2QA_qnSI[/TUBE]


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 14:38
Originally posted by King Manuel

Isn't Ian Anderson a trout farmer, although I guess he can live of his music.

He actually owns and operates "Strathaird" the largest independently owned smoked salmon farm in the UK and has over 400 employees Wink


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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 15:03
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by King Manuel

Isn't Ian Anderson a trout farmer, although I guess he can live of his music.

He actually owns and operates "Strathaird" the largest independently owned smoked salmon farm in the UK and has over 400 employees Wink



Too bad Chris "the Fish" Squire didn't come up with this great money making back up plan--wouldn't have to still be working so hard.LOL


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 15:37
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King


Originally posted by progbethyname

Actually. Very good point cause I certainly would like to learn more about My Dying Bride. I've not explored them enough.
Only a couple of albums. :(

I can tell you that my clear favourite is their 1st album, "As the Flower Withers"...it's an absolute early 90's doom metal masterpiece - though the 'doom growl vokills' will be offputting to anyone here who dislikes Mikael A's Opeth growl.  All their albums after that became less and less doom-metal and more goth-metal with clean vocals...still slow and sludgy but much less extreme.


Good to know. I did read up on them at one point and remember someone saying that the harsher/doom metal style dissipates over the course of their career going forward. I'd definitely would like to here their first album. Is their music like GodSpeed...you black emperor ? Their pretty good a doom metal too :)

They definitely morphed over time into Type O Negative/November's Doom style goth metal.  They sound nothing like Godspeed.  If anything, the first album is much closer musically to early Cathedral, early Celtic Frost, and Candlemass.
This is my fave song off "As the Flower Withers" and is pretty much representative of the whole album...
[TUBE]qjQ2QA_qnSI[/TUBE]


Dark song my prog brother! I feel I like the strings in the first 3 minutes of the song. I also appreciate the dramatic twist in tempo around the 5:30 mark and the last 3min of the song where it goes completely ape sh*t! Very cool, but the vocals will take some getting used to just like I did for John Haughm's from AGALLOCH. ;)

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 17:28
Originally posted by progbethyname


Dark song my prog brother! I feel I like the strings in the first 3 minutes of the song. I also appreciate the dramatic twist in tempo around the 5:30 mark and the last 3min of the song where it goes completely ape sh*t! Very cool, but the vocals will take some getting used to just like I did for John Haughm's from AGALLOCH. ;)

Ya, this style of vocals are a make-or-break deal for many.  My 1st exposure was in the late 80's with Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion" and Sepultura "Beneath the Remains".  I was like, "What is THIS about???"  I loved the music but hated the "vokills"...as time went on I started to regard it as another instrument rather than a voice and began appreciating it.  Same deal with early Opeth & Enslaved...though both became much more interesting to me when they started mixing clean vocals with the growls.


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 19:13
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Originally posted by progbethyname


Dark song my prog brother! I feel I like the strings in the first 3 minutes of the song. I also appreciate the dramatic twist in tempo around the 5:30 mark and the last 3min of the song where it goes completely ape sh*t! Very cool, but the vocals will take some getting used to just like I did for John Haughm's from AGALLOCH. ;)

Ya, this style of vocals are a make-or-break deal for many.  My 1st exposure was in the late 80's with Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion" and Sepultura "Beneath the Remains".  I was like, "What is THIS about???"  I loved the music but hated the "vokills"...as time went on I started to regard it as another instrument rather than a voice and began appreciating it.  Same deal with early Opeth & Enslaved...though both became much more interesting to me when they started mixing clean vocals with the growls.
Opeth has had clean vocals since their first album...
I've gotten to appreciate (to some degree) most types of harsh vocals.  The ones I still don't care much for is the hardcore-style screaming (Between The Buried And Me).


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 21:42
Originally posted by fuxi

Originally posted by maani

When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.


Yoshihisa Shimizu, the leader of Kenso (Japan's foremost "symphonic fusion" band in the vein of Bruford and Brand X) is a dentist as well. Apparently he always plays live wearing his white dentist coat.

Brian May, PhD, is a member of the astrophysics faculty at the Imperial College of London. 

His academic website is very interesting!  

http://astro.ic.ac.uk/bmay/home" rel="nofollow - http://astro.ic.ac.uk/bmay/home

Dr. May always inspired me....I'm working to complete my own Doctor of Public Health degree at age 58!  

Rock on, Dr. May!


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 19 2013 at 23:34
Originally posted by infocat

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King

Ya, this style of vocals are a make-or-break deal for many.  My 1st exposure was in the late 80's with Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion" and Sepultura "Beneath the Remains".  I was like, "What is THIS about???"  I loved the music but hated the "vokills"...as time went on I started to regard it as another instrument rather than a voice and began appreciating it.  Same deal with early Opeth & Enslaved...though both became much more interesting to me when they started mixing clean vocals with the growls.
Opeth has had clean vocals since their first album...

You're right...for some reason I was thinking they didn't introduced the clean & growl mix until Deliverance Wacko


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Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: July 20 2013 at 08:06
Originally posted by jaycoh56

VDGG, to my knowledge, were full time musicians
 
Peter Hammill has been able to support himself and his family of five (and is fairly well off) playing/recording music and has never done anything since VdGG started up in '68 except make albums and tour the world.
 
David Jackson is a proponent of the "soundbeam" and conducts several workshops and public performances throughout the year, working mainly with the disabled. http://youtu.be/-jn-fz7dxHE" rel="nofollow - http://youtu.be/-jn-fz7dxHE
He also has been playing with a number of people lately (David Cross of King Crimson, Le Orme, John Hackett, etc)
 
Hugh Banton owns his own business, "The Organ Workshop," and has had it for decades. After leaving VdGG at the very end of '76, he went to work for an organ builder for a few years, and eventually started his own company. Very successfully, too. The Organ Workshop designs, builds, and installs organs for halls, auditoriums, and churches. http://www.organworkshop.co.uk/" rel="nofollow - http://www.organworkshop.co.uk/  Not a stretch for Hugh (an electronics wiz), as he was tearing the guts out of Hammonds as far back as '71 and putting his own stuff in there. By '76, he'd designed from scratch his own organ and was using it at VdGG concerts by the end of the year.
 
Guy Evans teaches music technology at a college in London. He also was doing projects with groups like Echo City, which included creating percussive (and other) instruments which could be played by disabled people.
 
There was a bestselling fiction author I was interviewing (either Ian Rankin or Michel Faber... one of those NY Times Bestseller types...) that commented on how cool it was that when the VdGG members left the band, they all at least went on to do really interesting, worthwhile things.
 
 
 


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 20 2013 at 14:26
Originally posted by maani

When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.
 
Haha .... funny!
 
So my dentist here in Vancouver, named Keith Collins, is a bass player and has been for the 30 years I have known him (I turned him on to off the wall music!), and he has even taken lessons from one of the best ... can't even remember his name right now -- he plays for the group Oregon and does private lessons around here in Portland!
 
Keith plays a lot with some names around here, like Tom Grant and such.
 
So one day he is carving out a tooth and it was hurting ... and I stopped him, and told him ... "Keith, that's not a bass drum!" ... and I have not felt a single twinge since then! Talk music and he hears.
 
He went to Brazil a couple of years ago ... I gave him a poop load of Egberto Gismonti, and Airto and Milton Nascimiento, and it took him 20 years to go try something else ... he loved it ... but he doesn't see the connection to my giving him music ... that's ok. No worries there. I'm probably buying the nice 5 string he has. I can remember 15 years ago when he said something like ... I'm scared to even touch one of those 5 string basses!
 
Look him up. He is very tidy, carefull and you can tell he does his homework. Should be a very good and steady bass player! 


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:15
Originally posted by cstack3


Originally posted by fuxi

Originally posted by maani

When not on tour, Queen's Roger Taylor is a practicing dentist. Seriously.


Yoshihisa Shimizu, the leader of Kenso (Japan's foremost "symphonic fusion" band in the vein of Bruford and Brand X) is a dentist as well. Apparently he always plays live wearing his white dentist coat.

Brian May, PhD, is a member of the astrophysics faculty at the Imperial College of London. 
His academic website is very interesting!  
http://astro.ic.ac.uk/bmay/home" rel="nofollow - http://astro.ic.ac.uk/bmay/home
Dr. May always inspired me....I'm working to complete my own Doctor of Public Health degree at age 58!  
Rock on, Dr. May!
hey, Chuck, that is interesting news on what you are completing, and knowing you, you will succeed! Best to you.

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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 20 2013 at 15:39
I heard Spock's Beard guy works at Cirque du Soleil, doesn't he?

I've released three vinyls with my band, Stoned Jesus, played some festivals w/ Causa Sui, Orange Goblin, Uncle Acid, Naam, Long Distance Calling, Black Label Society and Enslaved, to name a few, and we're going on the fourth European tour this September, for almost two weeks. Still a customer support manager in a small IT company

On MY DYING BRIDE: check 2001 and 2004 releases, they are awesome, and even 2012 is pretty good, too


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 20:38
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King



Originally posted by progbethyname

Dark song my prog brother! I feel I like the strings in the first 3 minutes of the song. I also appreciate the dramatic twist in tempo around the 5:30 mark and the last 3min of the song where it goes completely ape sh*t! Very cool, but the vocals will take some getting used to just like I did for John Haughm's from AGALLOCH. ;)

Ya, this style of vocals are a make-or-break deal for many.  My 1st exposure was in the late 80's with Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion" and Sepultura "Beneath the Remains".  I was like, "What is THIS about???"  I loved the music but hated the "vokills"...as time went on I started to regard it as another instrument rather than a voice and began appreciating it.  Same deal with early Opeth & Enslaved...though both became much more interesting to me when they started mixing clean vocals with the growls.



Vokills.... well said. Also, Beneath The Remains is an absolutely fantastic album. Have you ever checked out Max Cavalera's SOULFY project? Now that is South American metal at its best. They have 8 albums to their credit. ;)
I recommend 'The Dark Ages' album. It's their most complete release to date. :)

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 21 2013 at 22:58
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King



Originally posted by progbethyname

Dark song my prog brother! I feel I like the strings in the first 3 minutes of the song. I also appreciate the dramatic twist in tempo around the 5:30 mark and the last 3min of the song where it goes completely ape sh*t! Very cool, but the vocals will take some getting used to just like I did for John Haughm's from AGALLOCH. ;)

Ya, this style of vocals are a make-or-break deal for many.  My 1st exposure was in the late 80's with Celtic Frost "To Mega Therion" and Sepultura "Beneath the Remains".  I was like, "What is THIS about???"  I loved the music but hated the "vokills"...as time went on I started to regard it as another instrument rather than a voice and began appreciating it.  Same deal with early Opeth & Enslaved...though both became much more interesting to me when they started mixing clean vocals with the growls.



Vokills.... well said. Also, Beneath The Remains is an absolutely fantastic album. Have you ever checked out Max Cavalera's SOULFY project? Now that is South American metal at its best. They have 8 albums to their credit. ;)
I recommend 'The Dark Ages' album. It's their most complete release to date. :)

I have the 1st Soulfly album and love that song where Max sings, "No &^%$#@#$$ Hootie and the Blowfish"...

I love "Beneath the Remains" and think the next one "Arise" is even better...In the early 90's I had a Mazda Miata and I put a huge Sepultura label across the top of my front windscreen...I used to call it "The Death Metal Mobile" Headbanger


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 06:31
Originally posted by presdoug

Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)


I did search on Koellens racing and can only assume that he was either participating under a pseudonym or that he was only at an amateur level.

I know that David Jackson was a maths teacher after VdGG broke up in the late 70's. These days, there are very few professional musicians involved in prog and those that are tend to have to work very hard at the business side of things to keep going (like Nick Barrett of Pendragon).


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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 07:26
Flower Kings vocalist Hasse Froberg is a baggage handler at the airport (Stockholm I think) as his day job.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 07:29
Originally posted by sleeper


Originally posted by presdoug

Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)
I did search on Koellens racing and can only assume that he was either participating under a pseudonym or that he was only at an amateur level.I know that David Jackson was a maths teacher after VdGG broke up in the late 70's. These days, there are very few professional musicians involved in prog and those that are tend to have to work very hard at the business side of things to keep going (like Nick Barrett of Pendragon).


Cool. So what does Nick Barrett do exactly? This is interesting. :)

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Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 13:30

Geoff Downes played in a John-Payne-fronted ASIA  
during the  Post-Grunge-infested  late 1990s.  

Maybe that didn't technically qualify as a "day job"
... but it sure wasn't glamorous.  Ermm



Posted By: terryl
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 15:02

Originally posted by Roj

Flower Kings vocalist Hasse Froberg is a baggage handler at the airport (Stockholm I think) as his day job.


that's cool! If one goes to see Flower Kings live in Sweden, then he/she can hang around in the airport to get an early autograph of Hasse Froberg himself!!!!

Not sure if my favorite progger Phideaux does TV movie directing or makes music for a day job.



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 15:15
Originally posted by progbethyname

Originally posted by sleeper


Originally posted by presdoug

Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)
I did search on Koellens racing and can only assume that he was either participating under a pseudonym or that he was only at an amateur level.I know that David Jackson was a maths teacher after VdGG broke up in the late 70's. These days, there are very few professional musicians involved in prog and those that are tend to have to work very hard at the business side of things to keep going (like Nick Barrett of Pendragon).


Cool. So what does Nick Barrett do exactly? This is interesting. :)

Couldn't tell you what the day to day running of Toff Records and Pendragon entails I'm afraid, might be worth PM'ing Wilcey to find out, as she's Nicks partner and very much helps out in that respect.


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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 22 2013 at 16:42
Originally posted by sleeper


Originally posted by presdoug

Triumvirat's Helmut Koellen was also an auto mechanic and race car driver. (I am not sure to what extent, though, he was involved in these things while a musician in Triumvirat)
I did search on Koellens racing and can only assume that he was either participating under a pseudonym or that he was only at an amateur level.I know that David Jackson was a maths teacher after VdGG broke up in the late 70's. These days, there are very few professional musicians involved in prog and those that are tend to have to work very hard at the business side of things to keep going (like Nick Barrett of Pendragon).
Thanks a lot for checking about Helmut. People that would probably know all about that are Jurgen Fritz, and Helmut's sister Elke Schlimbach-Koenig, and i have contacted both of them in the past, with no result. Oh, well.

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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: July 26 2013 at 11:01
Surprisingly enough, not many musicians make a lifetime living out of music. Even successful musicians run out of steam and money after a while, bands like Ten Years After, ELP, Yes, became quite well off individually for a while, but you need to sustain a successful and popular career to keep up the mansion and cars. Apparently even David Bowie never made a profile until recently.


Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: July 26 2013 at 11:01
Sorry, I meant of course "never made a profit"


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 26 2013 at 11:10
Originally posted by Prog-jester

I heard Spock's Beard guy works at Cirque du Soleil, doesn't he?

Yes.  Supposedly, Nick D'Virglio quit as vocalist/drummer for Spock's Beard so he could concentrate on his day job as a musician with Cirque du Soleil.  That I have seen his name pop up in a number of recent releases with other bands makes me wonder if there is more to the story. 


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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: August 10 2013 at 21:26
Originally posted by Prog-jester

I heard Spock's Beard guy works at Cirque du Soleil, doesn't he?

I've released three vinyls with my band, Stoned Jesus, played some festivals w/ Causa Sui, Orange Goblin, Uncle Acid, Naam, Long Distance Calling, Black Label Society and Enslaved, to name a few, and we're going on the fourth European tour this September, for almost two weeks. Still a customer support manager in a small IT company

On MY DYING BRIDE: check 2001 and 2004 releases, they are awesome, and even 2012 is pretty good, too

Wow, you're in Stoned Jesus? Shocked Love your band! My brother played me some of your stuff! I will download your album off Itunes. Smile


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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: August 10 2013 at 21:27
Chris Maitland, former drummer for Porcupine Tree, played some live shows for the musical Mamma Mia, I think. 

Steven Wilson, before he could afford to do music full time, worked in IT, I think


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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: August 15 2013 at 12:14
Many guys we think of as 'famous' have to either do day jobs now or they are back in minor gigland, like Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson etc. I think Robert Fripp is mainly living off the money that Toyah made!


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: August 15 2013 at 22:09
I think Rick has done some major gigs lately.


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 15 2013 at 23:35
Originally posted by giselle

I think Robert Fripp is mainly living off the money that Toyah made!

Well played LOL


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Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 14:01
Here is my favorite story -

I ordered a CD from the website of Zebra, a prog-related Zeppelin-inspired band.

When I received the CD, I also received a letter from Randy Jackson, the singer and guitarist of the band. He was telling me all about his day job, which was selling a long-distance telephone service. He invited me to sign up for the service.

I didn't, of course, but it was weird to think of this "Rock Star" trying to make some extra cash by selling long distance service!

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 18 2013 at 15:16
^^^^Another Zebra fan here. That's Randy's day job? Sounds like one of those VOIP/Magic Jack things. I would've sooner guessed he sold guitars or gave lessons.

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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: August 19 2013 at 20:08
Originally posted by Kashmir75


Originally posted by Prog-jester

I heard Spock's Beard guy works at Cirque du Soleil, doesn't he?

I've released three vinyls with my band, Stoned Jesus, played some festivals w/ Causa Sui, Orange Goblin, Uncle Acid, Naam, Long Distance Calling, Black Label Society and Enslaved, to name a few, and we're going on the fourth European tour this September, for almost two weeks. Still a customer support manager in a small IT company

On MY DYING BRIDE: check 2001 and 2004 releases, they are awesome, and even 2012 is pretty good, too

Wow, you're in Stoned Jesus? Shocked Love your band! My brother played me some of your stuff! I will download your album off Itunes. Smile
haha, better get them directly from our BandCamp


Posted By: warrplayer
Date Posted: August 21 2013 at 17:29
Originally posted by Kashmir75

Chris Maitland, former drummer for Porcupine Tree, played some live shows for the musical Mamma Mia, I think. 

Steven Wilson, before he could afford to do music full time, worked in IT, I think

I thougt he was the musical director for the whole show?



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