Evolution of your prog subgenre preferences
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Topic: Evolution of your prog subgenre preferences
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Subject: Evolution of your prog subgenre preferences
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 08:27
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Not sure if I've placed this in the right forum, if I haven't then the moderators should feel free to move it to the bands/artists/genres one. Like I alluded to in the Tales from the Topographic Oceans thread, in between 2011-2013 my hiatus from the forum I've lost some of my interest in the more "classic" types of prog/psych rock identified with not just Yes but also Pink Floyd, the earliest King Crimson records etc. Instead, I've gravitated even further towards Beefheart/Zappa-type avant-prog as well as Krautrock and most importantly the progressive electronic music which evolved out of that subculture. I'd wager that has something to do with my overall listening habits including more and more music from the last 20-30 years. As a result, many of the classic '60s/'70s prog records sound nowhere as "out there" as they used to - often feeling downright old-fashioned to my ears, though that's sometimes part of the charm. Accordingly, I've moved further towards those artists from the era who thought a bit further outside the box than usual, or were the most "ahead of the curve". (reminds me to catch up in the gaps of King Crimson's discography, Robert Fripp has certainly modernized his project more gracefully than most musicians his generation!) Likewise, I've been listening to more electronic and less guitar-based music over the course of this decade... half because I just wanted to expand my horizons, half because I've developed a stronger interest in the technological side of music production and the electronic genres are where the most interesting things there have been happening. Weird enough, I haven't lost interest in progressive folk at all... paradoxically because it's contemporary folk music that more than any other genre tries to sound old-fashioned and traditionalistic on average. In my perception, though, that just often results in the best of it feeling even more timeless in a good way. (the newer group Wovenhand being a good example of that) ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 09:18
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I never was real into symph prog. My tastes were scattered between Yes, The Mars Volta, Radiohead, King Crimson, and Can. The first subgenre I really took root in was prog folk, particularly artists like Comus, Jan Dukes de Grey, Spirogyra (minus lyrics), and the more modern Spires that in the Sunset Rise, and I liked some Avant (although I've never been crazy about Zappa). But since I've joined this site, I've gravitated mostly towards zeuhl and krautrock. With folk being timeless, Roger Wootten said it was because of acoustic instruments, and acoustic albums not being limited by technology. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 10:13
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First bands I was interested in were Yes, Genesis, Jethro Tull, Mike Oldfield, Jean Michel Jarre & Pink Floyd in the late 70's I never really broadened out into more Symph/Classic from there. While I was in college in the early 80's I got into Gong, Hawkwind, Caravan and King Crimson. Much later (last decade) when i started exploring in earnest King Crimson were really my access into Avant bands like Henry Cow, Univers Zero & Present, I also got more heavily into Canterbury via Hatfield & National Health. From there I spreadout across Zeuhl, Krautrock, Electronic. Fusion, Prog Folk, Prog Metal, Italian. I've only recently started to get back into Symph bands like Discipline and Echolyn, I really don't like modern symph that doesn't have a little darkness like the bands mentioned or Neo at all. My exploration is really spread out across releases and old stuff I've not heard across those genres. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 10:49
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I started in my teens with the symphonic stuff (ELP, Genesis, Yes) and the psychedelic (Floyd), then branched out into Canterbury in college. All the while I had already been into Zappa, so I gravitated towards the RIO stuff by way of Zappa and Henry Cow, whose "Western Culture" really affected me deeply. Then in the 90s I developed a love for "jam" oriented material by way of my obsession with Phish for several years - this dovetailed with my renewed appreciation for Krautrock and other music that found interesting ways to jam on a single chord for 20 minutes. Then I abandoned prog type things for several years, focusing more on current music that roughly fell under the "indie rock" banner, but leaned more towards the avant garde and punk, but also post rock. I rejoined the prog rock fold several years ago upon realizing that prog now encapsulated a lot of the fringe subgenres I'd been enjoying anyway -- math rock, post rock, and some avant type stuff I didn't even know existed -- and wasn't just limited to symphonic, psych, Kraut, and Canterbury. I've been on the hunt for "borderline" bands ever since, and have found many here. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 11:05
^My journey looks very much like yours Steve. Exchange Western Culture for Måltid by Samla Mammas Manna and other mad Swedish titles such as Ålgarnas Trädgård's debut Framtiden är ett svävande skepp, forankrat i forntiden and Myrbein's Myrornas Krig - and it pretty much fits Yeah, maybe throw in a big bucket of electronic music too - a style of music I love like the sea. A large part of my collection is electronic, be that Berliner Schule, IDM, avantguarde(Phillipe Besombes, Igor Wakhevitch, Heldon ie ze French from the 70s), future garage, ambient, psytrance, Goa and the list goes on and on....BTW Hey Toaster Mantis - I see you're digging the Krautrock brand too. You should definitely go hunt that Ålgarnas Trädgård album down. Swedish Krautrock as far as I'm concerned. Lots of folk in there as well, which you also seem to like. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 11:22
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My preferences have stayed pretty much the same; symphonic, neo, crossover and eclectic. I still can't really get into most RIO/Zeuhl, post rock/math rock or most progressive metal. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 12:02
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I've spent a life searchig for anything able to give me the same sensations of The Piper at The Gates of Dawn, Ummagumma, Meddle and Atom Heart Mother ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 15 2013 at 14:42
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My tastes haven't changed much since I was a small kid. I listened to the prog records of my older brothers and was already fascinated by it. Some fourty years later, bands like Genesis, Yes and ELP are still my favourite bands. The only thing that has changed is that I learned to appreciate jazzrock. Till my mid-twenties I basically didn't like anything jazz, even hated it. Thanks to Bill Bruford I learned to appreciate it, first through his fusionband from the late seventies / early eighties, and via his records I discovered Allan Holdsworth, and through Earthworks I even learned to appreciate some jazz with almost no rock in it.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 00:40
I'd say the biggest prog subgenre to evolve/emerge in my listening isn't "technically" it's own subgenre. It's French prog, or as I like to call it, "Rock Progressif Francaise"  Starting in the mid 90's I was kinda bored with prog. I'd been into it for 20 years and I'd explored all the back catalog 70's/80's prog I could find, and while I really liked some of the new 90's prog bands (Anekdoten, Anglagard, Spock's Beard, Echolyn) something was still missing. I'd heard of this band called Pulsar referred to as "The French Floyd" and their album "Halloween" featured English vocals. I took a chance on it and loved it. As expected I wanted more, but all their other albums featured vocals in French. I remember reasoning that I could barely understand what they were singing in English, so was it really that big of a leap to go for their French lyric albums? I bought "Strands of the Future" and "Pollen" and went nuts over them. From there it was a logical progression to Ange (The French Genesis) & Atoll (The French Yes). I added others like Mona Lisa, Shylock, Versailles, Arachnoid & Quadra. I was bumping along happily with my new subgenre and then I found my way to PA about 6 months ago. I started a thread asking what others fave French bands were and discovered I'd barely scratched the surface! Using info from that thread - and PA's fantastic search function - I added a whole new collection of bands to my "French connection"...Memoriance, Artcane, Carpe Diem, Synopsis, Rapaille, and of course Magma  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 02:04
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To make a specific chronology: In my early teens, that be around 2002-2003 I started out with Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, King Crimson and Hawkwind's more symphonic mid-'70s recordings. Took me pretty long to "get" some of KC's stuff, though. Around 15-16 I jumped ship to newer metal (as in late-'70s and onwards), which I'd been dabbling with for a while. When I got bored with that I jumped back to prog around 2008 or 2009. That's when I getted more specific with prog subgenres, going into psychedelic/space rock (not just the progressive side of it) as well as Krautrock and post-rock. Finally got into Zappa and Beefheart too, whom I tried to understand during the mid-2000s but both just didn't click back then. Not sure exactly how I explored progressive electronic, though. I've been a casual listener of at least Brian Eno's ambient albums, Kraftwerk as well as Moroder and Vangelis' film soundtracks for a while, but things like Schulze and TD didn't come around until 2010 or so after I had started listening to newer electronic music. (Biosphere, FSoL, Lustmord, Orbital etc) I also returned to metal around that time too. Much of the really overtly 1970s prog/psych I tired of around 2011 I think. Will look out for that Ålgarnas Trädgård by the way. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 02:52
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I started at age 13 with Pink Floyd and Yes. Started? Not really. From the age of 10 I liked Ekseption and a single edit version of Supersister's A Girl Named You was one of my favourite listens at 11. Not much later ELP, Mike Oldfield and Genesis joined in. I developed a tunnel vision for symphonic prog. In my twenties I discovered folk, which was an addition. It took me longer to appreciate bands like Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant and King Crimson and genres like Canterbury Scene and Zeuhl. ------------- 
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 04:08
| I've been fluctuating a lot recently. This time last year, I wasn't very big on any metal subgenre, but now a lot of my favorite bands fall into those categories. I'm becoming a lot more discerning about my taste in symph bands, as the good ones are standing out more and the ones I don't like as much are receiving less patience than ever. I'm losing my taste for Tool and Pink Floyd. I'm not into folk so much either, and I've yet to be enticed by Canterbury. The only consistent element throughout all these changes is that I still consider eclectic to be my favorite. Bands in that category who didn't entice me before, such as Gentle Giant, now seem so much more appealing. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 08:11
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Hi,
I was never into a "style", or "idea" ... about music. I always thought that was stupid, mainly from an experience in a writing class ... that kinda told me about things from the stage, instead of us here as a "fan", or audience member ... this is a very important concept!
I listened to many things, and some folks thinking they had to listen to this or that, and ignored Beverly Sills or Luciano Pavarotti doing a couple of things, is bad ... they had some magnificent roles as well that fit their abilities.
My bigger issue with listening to only one thing, is that after a while you are tired of it, and you have lost the ability to listen to it objectively ... and then you rely on the lyrics to "tell you" what this is about ... and all you are showing us is some inner emptiness and a lack of desire to learn for yourself about this.
As I like to say ... I listen to MUSIC ... and the rest is not important ... only that "moment in time" is valuable and the rest is idealistic at best and has absolutely nothing to do with the music itself, except in your ideas or mine or someone else's. I try not to do that ... the only "review" I always give you is how I felt, and what I saw ... the rest is immaterial! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 08:21
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I think you're over thinking this a bit, we're not saying we're only listening to one thing (well I'm not). Describing things by genre is just a helpful technique to describe things that have similar traits. Otherwise we'd have to just list all the traits rather than use one word that people understand to cover the style similarities. So I find myself listening to a lot of music that features regular use of dissonance and atonality, extremely complex and unpredictable song arrangements, free or experimental improvisation, fusion of disparate musical genres and polyrhythms and highly complex time signatures. Isn't it more easily understood to say Avant? ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: ginodi
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 09:35
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I guess I'm like most that have to have things categorized relating to similar traits no matter how I think I do not. I listen to Prog 95% of the time; after working I just want to be taken away (no drugs, or alcohol to help that). Some genres provide that function more than others. I have had great difficulty enjoying post/math, zeuhl, or electronic music, though I have tried to force myself to like it. I still gravitate towards Italian bands (my mother land), lots of symph (I love classic Ange), eclectic, neo, folk (Jethro Tull always makes me feel fantastic), and Canterbury (Caravan the most). After playing in a Prog metal bands for decades, the metal stuff doesn't do it for me as much anymore (Orphaned Land's All is One is probably my favorite now from that category). I guess it depends on the particular mood for any given day--it is never boring, for sure. The other 5%? Some classic rock and Alt-country (Ryan Adams, Son Volt) for a bit of change. Yesterday, I had my six-year old daughter with me on a trip to the grocery store (she loves Banco and Steven Wilson's new one), and I had on Pink Floyd's, "Dark Side of the Moon." We arrive and I take her out of her car seat, and she asks, "are we going to listen to that on the way back home?" I responded, "why, did you not like it?" Her reply: "that was amazing!" I am starting her off right.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 10:43
I learn more if you tell me what ticks for you when listening ... since just catching one "style" tends to limit your expression to your "mental" side of things ... and I trust the inner view better because of the way I am.
I'm a fairly logical and detailed person ... and very good at working with "invisibles", as was the case directing for the stage, and you can see it in my preferences ... I don't direct via any style, and can do all kinds of different theater because of it ... and even create exercises that fit Ionesco that don't fit Shakespeare, or Marlowe!
For me, yes, the designations are fine, but a question like that, kinda defeats the purpose of the genre, which was to help you be able to identify a few things, but not to say ... that artist is now locked up in his closet and can no longer do anything else in his/her life ... and both you and I are going to fight our way out of that one so fast, it wouldn't be funny! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 16 2013 at 10:57
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The main difference here Mosh, is that most of the people using these terms here on PA, don't exactly buy into the stickers. I don't believe that. They're merely reference points, so as our peers can better understand where we're coming from, understand what we listen to - and what we dig at any given point in time, and communicating the inherent traits of whatever "style" on the agenda. I understand your sentiments on this, and am very much like that myself. I just don't think most people, be that from the current generation - or the prog rock generation, deals in invisibles, as you call it. It's much easier to use the existing language to convey your opinion instead of having to create a new one, every time you instigate a new conversation. The real problem is when musicians only think in boxes, when they're making the music. As for us mere mortals, the casual fans, I think it's pretty cool to have words for different branchings of our beloved art form, just like we have distinctions in classical music, varieties of fruit and different clothing fabrics. What you then decide to do with these distinctions, is of course entirely up to yourself. I just don't believe everybody buy into the stickers, and consequentially can't think outside of the box and enjoy the music for the music and nothing else. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 03:55
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Yeah, I'm also only for the purpose of this discussion using the subgenres listed on the side as shorthand for the general stylistic directions they cover, or the social subcultures they came out of which I like exploring from a scholarly perspective. I think it's clear that most of them are meant as guideposts more than anything else, and doubt that very many musicians think in boxes like "eclectic prog" being distinct from "crossover prog" when composing and recording their music. There's some bands I like I've been seriously surprised to find on the archives, and not just under the crossover/eclectic/proto-prog categories. (Current 93, for one)
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 06:03
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Get tired og things and want new music, but i wouldent say I dont enjoy the old masters anymore. Regarding my direction, the last 4-5 years, been spending more time than i did before with :
Heavier Rock, especialy Opeth, TMV, Green Carnation, Tool. many others inside and outside Prog.
This may be the major change, didnt listen to much hardrock before 2000.
Jazz traditionals like Evens, Monk, Webster. (on the other hand, not much with resent Fussion)
Classic artists from modern to contemporary. (Debussy, Scriabin, Shostakovich, Ravel ect ect.)
Avantgarde/Experimental, in the most wide sence of the term.
(from Unexpect over Bondage Fruit to Acid Mothers Temple)
And spend more time with new-age/ambient too. (im beginning to belive in a Japaneese GOD called "Kitarō")
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 08:05
| Rush to classic prog in general to instrumental prog to whatever Beardfish counts as (neoprog?) to tech metal. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 08:16
Not totaly excluding or including anything. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 08:18
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 10:41
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I started in '69 with all the early classic prog bands mostly symphonic ones and around 1980 started listening to more classic rock and whatever was popular in the 80's and early 90's but got back into prog after reuniting with an old friend who turned me onto some obscure ones and other genres and meeting a new friend around 5 years ago who introduced me to even more bands and more obscure ones. For me there wasn't really a progression since I started listening to many types all at once after hooking up with the 'prog king'. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 12:19
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My first contact with prog-like music was when my brother put a Queen Greatest Hits album on his turntable and I was blown away by the Bohemian Rhapsody. Several years later (around 1987), I picked up Pink Floyd, then Marillion and Rush, and yet later Yes and all the others. In the 90s, I was enchanted by Dream Theater (of whom I had first heard in a Rush fan newsgroup), one of my favourites since then. I am now into a wide range of progressive rock, but I could never get the hang of the heady avant-garde stuff, and the "other" kind of "progressive rock" as it is understood in alternative rock circles (Tool etc.) does nothing to me. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 22:09
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I grew up hearing the music of my parents' wild parties: The Beatles, Sergio Mendes Brazill '66, Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass, Burt Bacharach, The Fifth Dimension. I myself became an AM radio junkie--being in Detroit, that meant R&B, Motown, Soul. '68-72 was an amazing time for AM music in Detroit. In 1972 my brother started bringing home albums from the likes of The Rolling Stones, Mott The Hoople, Robin Trower, Alvin Lee, Humble Pie, Uriah Heep, and Blue Oyster Cult. Demons and Wizards changed my life forever--I became an FM radio listener, and album-oriented listener, an audiophile in terms of quality listening equipment. Technological advances in instruments and recording wowed me: Art/Album Rock, Mellotron, Moog, Hendrix, Alan Parsons (DSOTHM), Todd Rundgren, Brian Eno, Fairlight, Linn, Synclavier, Simmons, World Music influences, David Sylvian, Jon Hassell, Cocteau Twins all engaged me deeply. At the same time I began to dabble in "jazz" --the fusion scene, and, eventually, the older jazz masters and their classic albums. But then I started hearing classical music on FM radio: Mozart & Haydn and their predecessors were my gateway into the classical world with my goal of being able to understand, appreciate, and perhaps "like" both opera and 20th Century composers. I think the Baroque and early Classical compositions with their more mathematical patterns and constructs and straightforward key structures were easier to understand and enjoy. More complex Classical music and jazz seemed to grow within me side by side. Then, in the 90s, marriage and children came along and with it a period of very mainstream "Adult" and children's music (though in the closet I was enjoying some of the Grunge coming through). The likes of Everything But The Girl, Julia Fordham, Kenny Loggins, and Seal graced my ears during this time. It was not until I was introduced to the internet and with it discovered ProgArchives that my love/obsession with "progressive rock" and, truly, music in general was rekindled. I had never heard of any prog "sub-genres" and had not been exposed to much prog outside of the English speaking world, so, excitedly, I dived into all of the subgenres PA exposed me to. Post Rock/Math Rock was instantly accessible but ultimately kind of boring for its repetitiveness and "one style fits all" formats. Magma and most of the Zeuhl artists wowed me. (MDK remains the single greatest revelation from the 70s that I never heard until recently.) Neo-prog was pretty, familiar, but never leaves me satisfied or keeps my interest. Prog folk fascinates me but doesn't really sink its claws in me. Psych/Space Rock is usually a winner. The metal categories are the most difficult for me as I really don't like all that loud noise--I am, in fact, quite a lover of space and slow development. BUT, RIO/Avant works fascinate me. This is the sub-genre that I probably "work" hardest at in order to get familiar, learn to try to appreciate, and eventually enjoy. This is the subgenre where "rock" seems to progress (or maybe it's regressing away from rock formats, back to classical forms and formats, that really is drawing me to this kind of music). The AltrOck/Fading Rock label is one that gets my full attention for every artist, every release. Thanks to progstreaming.com I am able to enjoy many new releases from a variety of prog subgenres, but I think that it is definitely those artists that are either creating beautiful melodies or pushing the boundaries of familiar music that draw me in the most. Those incredibly talented artists focused on recreating the sounds, styles, and formats of prog's "classic" past are usually quite disappointing to me. Those who take the old sounds and instruments and engage them in new and unusual forms get my attention. Those that take sound and structure into realms I've not heard before get my awe and praise. I am most fascinated by current artists making music with acoustic instruments--and without the standard "rock" combo formation--which, I guess, might render them non-prog. Drums, in particular, are not missed when I hear music without them. Blah, blah, blah. Sorry to be so loquacious. I must be drunk. Or tired. Good night. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 17 2013 at 22:58
^ great story.  Oh boy. Let's see.. Ok Heavy Prog ( Rush) started it all for me on a heavier listening love for music. This quickly lead to Metal and all kinds of Metal at that. Metallica really was the main provoker for me to dive into the metal scene much deeper and course this lead to more progressive art forms of metal based music...Prog metal, tech extreme and experimental. Other evolutionary charts for music listening includes my love for electronic and goth music. Depeche Mode was the main catalyst for that, which lead to Nine Inch Nails, The Cure and later down the road Saviour Machine. I have continued the journey for many years now with Electronic music in general. Electronic music is very progressive and extremely interesting to me and my core bands that have lead me to other great and more modern electronic bands are Autechure, The Future Sound Of London, Tangerine Dream(blue years) and Vangelis have been invaluable to my evolving of sub genres and music styles. So Metal, Prog Metal, Neo Prog and Progressive Electronic are my top four music genres/sub genres. These four have lead me to all other kinds of Prog like folk, Zheul, post math/RIO, crossover etc etc etc. I really do have an appreciation for it all, but I am forever indebt to RUSH, DEPECHE MODE and METALLICA for building what I think I have is a beautiful diverse music collection. Without Metal or electronic music I'd have no passion or drive to love or collect music in the first place. I don't know how else I would have been hit hard with the music bug if you will. So to be clear. Heavy Prog---Metal--Electronic=everything else under the sun. Lol Hope I made sense here....agh I'm going to bed. Lol ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 18 2013 at 09:12
I see that ... the only issue is, that while you listen to one thing, you are not hearing one other, or a couple of others, that are also worthy of your listening attention ... and this is the reason why I say ... I listen to "music" ... not a style.
It comes off, to me, like blinders on a set of ears ... and I have to be honest with you ... that is the one thing I never want to experience!
But it is possible that there could be a relationship between many of these ... albeit, we all can create a relationship by snapping our fingers, and that is one thing I am accused of all the time here with "krautrock" and the West Coast psychedelia thing ... many of these movements being tied up to other arts ... the we ... HERE ... are not willing to check out, understand, or come anywhere to relating to it. As such, a lot of this "relationship" and "evolution" is lost ... and the music (or any art) loses its soul ... it's like Nurse Ratchet took a part of your brain out!
Remember ... it's not her fault ... she's only doing her job being a part of the society she is also a slave to!
(sorry ... couldn't help it!) ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: September 18 2013 at 09:44
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First I heard King Crimson, Gentle Giant, Yes, Jethro Tull, Genesis, ELP and of course I experienced this in the early 70's. Made friends with a magician my age and his relative turned us on to his album collection. I recall that he had just arrived from Germany and decided to leave the collection of albums with us. That was sometime in the mid to late 70's. In that collection was David Bedford, Guru, Guru, Gong, Man, Ange, Klaus Schulze, Ashra Temple, Cosmic Jokers, Popol Vuh, Terry Riley, Curved Air, Far East Family Band, White Noise, Fields, Rare Bird, Tangerine Dream, and there must have been close to 2000 albums..so you get the picture. When I was about 11 years old in 1967, I had albums by Walter Carlos (now Wendy), Beaver & Krause, Ruth White, Mort Garson, Pauline Oliveros and lots of music from the 20th century avant composers. Except for Carlos, it revolved mostly around electronic music of the American underground scene at the time. Bands like The Rolling Stones and The Beatles/George Harrison were consulting with Beaver & Krause who were like students of Bob Moog. This was the exact time period when the American Electronic scene gained the interest of the British bands and the Beatles, Rolling Stones , and several others started to sound weird. I say weird because at age 11 ...hearing the Stones and the Beatles since 65' and all of a sudden...they explode into this new realm..was very impressionable to my mind. That was when the idea's were fused with Rock and the music became something completely different. Piper At the Gates of Dawn and Saucerful of Secrets were scary then. An almost frightning listening experience because nothing else on the planet existed quite like that. Those were very strange times and it molded me into a very recluse life as a child.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 18 2013 at 10:09
I'm sorry Mosh, but I think you're losing us here  He actually said almost exactly what you are referring to, only in a more comprehensible manner. And I'm dying to know, how on earth are you able to know what the other members of PA are not willing to check out? I mean, in your own words here, even you yourself are missing the plot, because you are listening to - let's just say rock music. Oh my word!!! Then you're not listening to all of the other arts like polka and the fabulous whims of the Hawaii swing orchestras. I would kindly urge you to stop speaking for others, when you have no clue of what we mean, when we use these 'boxes'. How could you ever? I'll have you know that most of the friends I've garnered here on this board listen to a wide variety of music - stemming from all over these subgenres - and they're quite capable of using these lingo terms to communicate the music, NOT to identify it with. The music comes first, and then afterwards we often use these reference points when we engage with others. How is that foul play? Are we not allowed to use the language in the way this site outriggers it?And of course you're right, when you say that we aren't listening to other things, when we're listening to one. That's because we prefer to listen to one thing at a time  (sorry ... couldn't help it!)
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 18:06
| Was into Moodies and somewhat Floyd, which lead into classic symph, because it's the most famous. I'm basically into all styles of classic prog, with perhaps the 'eclectic' bands being my favorites for a while (essentially symph with some elements of avant and jazz-rock). Symph is my favorite for a while now. It generally has the most emotionality to it. I've never been big on zehul and kraut, too repetitive and... pessimistic I guess. Very stark music. I got way more into progressive electronic somewhat recently though. It's very soothing and transportive. It's repetitive but it evolves and has a lush 'blanket' of sound to it. |
Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 19:52
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Symph for a long time, mixed with some KC and Floyd. Then last year, jazz fusion took more root, alongside prog metal. More recently, I've been getting really into space/psych alongside experimental metal and post-rock.
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Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: September 19 2013 at 22:12
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I've never really liked much symphonic, but for some odd reason I love neo-prog. I guess, from the PA subgenres, I'm fairly certain I'll like anything in Neo and Heavy, and I'll normally look up new releases in those genres. In terms of changing over time, I've actually noticed that my tastes have changed ever since I've stopped coming here as often and using RateYourMusic more, because it's a far more broad range of music. Recently I've been getting into Indie Folk, Atmospheric Black Metal, Avant-Garde Metal, Dark Folk and I've even started to appreciate hip hop. I'm not sure where that would put me in the PA genre system, but I still love the Neo and Heavy sections. ------------- http://thedarkthird.bandcamp.com/ |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: September 21 2013 at 03:31
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Enlightening discussion that's come out of this, one of the things I like about the ProgArchives community is that many of the regular posters here have been fans of prog rock since its heyday in the 1960s/1970s and hence have experienced its evolution in the original historical context. Something you don't always see on genre-specific music forums.
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