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Topic: Fav Prog Guitarist based on PA Top 100 albums?
Posted By: schizoidman
Subject: Fav Prog Guitarist based on PA Top 100 albums?
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:10
Being a guitarist myself (which means nothing....just stating for the record) Robert Fripp has provided me with the most interesting, challenging, inspirational and diverse playing.
 
Of course, trying to learn any of his material is complicated by the fact that Robert does not play in standard tuning, so, I rarely attempt to figure out any of it....I just listen and enjoy it.


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:14
Latimer and Gilmour are my twin pillars of guitar playing, I'll give the edge to Latimer today.

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Posted By: I-Juca Pirama
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:31
Latimer and Gilmour are great (and so does fripp) but I go with howe (although I still can't vote...) :(


Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:35
Originally posted by I-Juca Pirama I-Juca Pirama wrote:

Latimer and Gilmour are great (and so does fripp) but I go with howe (although I still can't vote...) :(
 
Once you hit 50 (or is it 100????) posts you will be able to. Howe would be my second choice, followed by Gilmour, McLaughlin and Hackett.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:47
Fripp > Gilmour > Latimer

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Posted By: ScorchedFirth
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:48
Other: Steve Rothery!

Piotr Grudzinski is probably the best from the named ones. Many great guitarists here though, obviously,


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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 10:57
When I saw Fripp was the first choice I didn't even look at the rest of the list Wink

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:06
Fripp for Scary Monsters

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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:16
Pretty much unarguably, Fripp has played more diverse electric guitar material than any of the other guitarists.
 
His acoustic guitar playing......not much...is there?? Anybody have a list of the songs that Fripp has played acoustic guitar on?? I can think of "Fallen Angel" from Red.
 
 


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:36
Gary Green is mad underrated


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:39
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Pretty much unarguably, Fripp has played more diverse electric guitar material than any of the other guitarists.
 
His acoustic guitar playing......not much...is there?? Anybody have a list of the songs that Fripp has played acoustic guitar on?? I can think of "Fallen Angel" from Red.
 
 


Epitaph, Cirkus, Cadence and Cascade, Peace - A Theme, Exiles

off the top of my head, there are definitely more


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:48
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Gary Green is mad underrated


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:49
Mike Oldfield

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:51
I've come to appreciate John McLaughlin over the past few years. More than simply fast, incredibly so, his work is diverse and his playing is quite intricate. He is equally adept at acoustic as he is with electric and has played in a lot of different styles. In other words, no one trick pony - he is highly versatile.

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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:52
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Pretty much unarguably, Fripp has played more diverse electric guitar material than any of the other guitarists.
 
His acoustic guitar playing......not much...is there?? Anybody have a list of the songs that Fripp has played acoustic guitar on?? I can think of "Fallen Angel" from Red.
 
 


Epitaph, Cirkus, Cadence and Cascade, Peace - A Theme, Exiles

off the top of my head, there are definitely more
 
Thanks. For some reason I can't recall hardly any Fripp acoustic guitar playing.


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:53
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Pretty much unarguably, Fripp has played more diverse electric guitar material than any of the other guitarists.
 
His acoustic guitar playing......not much...is there?? Anybody have a list of the songs that Fripp has played acoustic guitar on?? I can think of "Fallen Angel" from Red.
 
 


Epitaph, Cirkus, Cadence and Cascade, Peace - A Theme, Exiles

off the top of my head, there are definitely more
 
Thanks. For some reason I can't recall hardly any Fripp acoustic guitar playing.


It's usually covered up by a ton of mellotron, flute, etc


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:57
Steven Rothery.

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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 11:59
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

I've come to appreciate John McLaughlin over the past few years. More than simply fast, incredibly so, his work is diverse and his playing is quite intricate. He is equally adept at acoustic as he is with electric and has played in a lot of different styles. In other words, no one trick pony - he is highly versatile.
 
Agree. I'm listening to his acoustic arrangement of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" right now.
 


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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 12:02
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Pretty much unarguably, Fripp has played more diverse electric guitar material than any of the other guitarists.
 
His acoustic guitar playing......not much...is there?? Anybody have a list of the songs that Fripp has played acoustic guitar on?? I can think of "Fallen Angel" from Red.
 
 


Epitaph, Cirkus, Cadence and Cascade, Peace - A Theme, Exiles

off the top of my head, there are definitely more
 
Thanks. For some reason I can't recall hardly any Fripp acoustic guitar playing.


It's usually covered up by a ton of mellotron, flute, etc
 
Yes, precisely.
 
Fripp doesn't have a "Mood for the Day" or "Horizons", or, you know, a signature acoustic piece. I wish he would release an all acoustic album. Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 12:17
Fripp closely followed by Hackett, Rothery and Oldfield!

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Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 12:19
Fripp and Omar. Like them equally but voted for Omar.

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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 13:04
Hackett, followed by Howe, Latimer and Barre.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 14:08
Latimer is the best beyond any doubt.
Hackett is also brilliant, as are Rothery, Gilmour and Howe.

I also like Lifeson, Santana, DiMiola and Gary Green and, from the new boys, Piotr Grudinski is superb.

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 15:22
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.

Oh dear god.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 15:36
Fripp over Zappa.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 15:47
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.

Oh dear god.

You rang?


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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 15:49
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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 15:54
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.
 
All musical tastes are subjective, so, I don't begrudge you of your opinion.
 
I do find enjoyment in a lot of other aspects of his playing, as well as cross picking. His lead guitar work on Bowie's and Gabriel's albums,  the sonically relaxing Frippertronic work, his intertwined (with Belew) lead/rhythm work on the "Discipline" and "Beat" albums, his math rock compositions/playing on "Thrak" and "The ConstruKction of Light", and, his sometimes off kilter approach to what is conventionally expected from a lead guitarist such as "Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part Two".


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 17:13
Gilmour, as he has been for a long time...

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 17:39
Originally posted by schizoidman schizoidman wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.
 
All musical tastes are subjective, so, I don't begrudge you of your opinion.
 
I do find enjoyment in a lot of other aspects of his playing, as well as cross picking. His lead guitar work on Bowie's and Gabriel's albums,  the sonically relaxing Frippertronic work, his intertwined (with Belew) lead/rhythm work on the "Discipline" and "Beat" albums, his math rock compositions/playing on "Thrak" and "The ConstruKction of Light", and, his sometimes off kilter approach to what is conventionally expected from a lead guitarist such as "Larks' Tongues in Aspic Part Two".

Thank you. Nice to see a mature approach for a change. I'm delighted that you find enjoyment in his music.

I accept that Fripp has tried many other techniques but, personally, they don't do it for me. For example, No Pussyfooting is 45 minutes of my life totally wasted that I can't get back; Frippertronics is not for me. I don't find his solo technique appealing and his solos often spoil KC songs (particularly The Night Watch). 

It's just down to personal taste, I guess, but he's one of my least favourite musicians from the "classic" bands.


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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 17:44
I usually vote for Fripp but today I gave Birds of Fire a spin and it blows my mind (like always), so Mc Laughlin it is.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 17:55
How big a list can you make without The Submarine Captain? Only asking.

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Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 18:06
Gilmour>Howe>Latimer>Fripp

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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 18:16
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

How big a list can you make without The Submarine Captain? Only asking.

One of my favorites guitarists. Definitely in my Top 10 Thumbs Up.


Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 18:38
Gilmour Latimer Hackett and Rothery (he is not here). I will go with Gilmour


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 18:46
He won't win for sure, but my vote goes for Martin Barre, even though everyone else (on this list) is great.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 19:15
Hackett. I could have just as easily voted for any of ten others.

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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 19:28
Fripp, but if this was a multivote, it would've been so much less painful haha


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 21:31
I can easily vote for anyone on the list, but I'll choose David Gilmour.

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 22:29
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Gary Green is mad underrated


Approve


Howe
Hackett
Lifeson
Green


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Posted By: iamathousandapples
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 22:44
Rothery
Hackett
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 22:54
Howe and Hackett equally---but when I think of Howe and the versatility of his style I voted for him today. His playing on Starship Trooper, opening of CTTE, funky guitar on Siberian, Steel guitar on AYAI, His work on side 3 of Tales or his moving closing on Ritual, or his original work on all of Fragile, or his crazy playing on Gates or solo on Sound Chaser and To Be Over---or his opening on Awaken--etc---his playing is so dynamic and original and moving (without playing the blues)  had to vote for him--Frippe is okay and original too but overrated and monotonous. 


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 23:16
Voted *other*. R.M. Točak
 
 
 
Those two instrumental tracks ( engl. "Maht Desert" and Talisman) are from 1981 LP which should be Točak's solo album but the record company was insisted that the album have to be released as Smak aswell. Anyway, this amazing fusion soundscape proves that I wasn't voted *other* because of nationalism LOL
 
 
p.s. I'm surpised that Barre get only two votes since now because Barre is one of the greatest prog guitarists who made that Jethro Tull's success possible nothing less than Anderson; actually, the whole British Progressive Rock movement owes him a lot.
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: sukmytoe
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 23:48
The lead guitar - my favourite instrument I guess. For me it has to be Petrucci as I believe that he is the best of the bunch when it comes down to ability and technicality. I love Gilmour and Latimer for their touch and soaring leads (Rothery is not one of the choices but I would think that he should be).  


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: November 08 2013 at 23:55
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

When I saw Fripp was the first choice I didn't even look at the rest of the list Wink

LOL  Yeah, me too!!  




Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 00:12
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.

Oh dear god.


Yeah, meet Hercules.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 00:15
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.

Oh dear god.


Yeah, meet Hercules.

You guys need a chill pill. Hercules has his own opinions 


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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 00:22
Totally just noticed that Jon Preston Bouda from Discipline is sadly missing too. I'd definitely give him a shout-out. 


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 01:14
I have voted for Gilmour but I haven't seen Latimer in the list. He would have been my vote.

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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 01:41
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

p.s. I'm surpised that Barre get only two votes since now because Barre is one of the greatest prog guitarists who made that Jethro Tull's success possible nothing less than Anderson; actually, the whole British Progressive Rock movement owes him a lot.

^ this.  If it wasn't for Fripp my vote would have gone for Martin.  He could play hard rock (Aqualung, Locomotive Breath) crazy prog (Back Door Angels, TAAB) heavy blues and everything in between.  I saw Tull several times from the "Too Old to Rock and Roll" to the "Crest of a Knave" tours and Martin was always the star of the show to me Wink


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 02:26
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

p.s. I'm surpised that Barre get only two votes since now because Barre is one of the greatest prog guitarists who made that Jethro Tull's success possible nothing less than Anderson; actually, the whole British Progressive Rock movement owes him a lot.

^ this.  If it wasn't for Fripp my vote would have gone for Martin.  He could play hard rock (Aqualung, Locomotive Breath) crazy prog (Back Door Angels, TAAB) heavy blues and everything in between.  I saw Tull several times from the "Too Old to Rock and Roll" to the "Crest of a Knave" tours and Martin was always the star of the show to me Wink

Jethro Tull's Belgrade concert 1975 was the first rock concert I'v ever attended. I was 11 yrs old; thanks to older guys from the block who took me there. Well, I remember Barre's heavy riffs more than Anderson's flute.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 03:28
Mr Howe


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 06:09
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

The one I really don't rate is Robert Fripp. Once you've seen his fast cross picking technique once, there's not much else to enjoy.

Oh dear god.


Yeah, meet Hercules.

You guys need a chill pill. Hercules has his own opinions 

Thank you. 

These guys (Nogbad and Triceratopsoil, amongst others) and their intolerance for any opinion which does not coincide with theirs, have undoubtedly contributed to some long-time members of this site leaving for other prog sites.

Since I joined 5 or so years ago, a lot of people I know personally and who broadly (but by no means exactly) share my views on prog, have gone to progressive ears and other sites where there is more civility and less abuse.

I may join them, because I'm sick of the pathetic "if you don't like what I like, I'm going to attempt to ridicule you" approach. Diversity of opinion is good. If we all liked the same, the world would be a very boring place. I simply say what I think and I won't resort to personal abuse; if you don't like it, that's not my problem.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 07:11
David Gilmour off this list.
Could just as well have voted for John Weinzierl, Manuel Göttsching, Michio Kurihara and Reine Fiske thoughBig smile


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 07:47
Apologies if you took offense Hercules, I always viewed our back and forth as good natured. I'm used to everyone hating my music taste so maybe have a higher tolerance for differing opinions. I'm certainly in the minority as an avanthead on this site.

I stand by my comment that if you think Fripp is a cross pick one trick pony you are missing the huge depth of his sound. What the hell it's only one opinion.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 08:13
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Apologies if you took offense Hercules, I always viewed our back and forth as good natured. I'm used to everyone hating my music taste so maybe have a higher tolerance for differing opinions. I'm certainly in the minority as an avanthead on this site.

I stand by my comment that if you think Fripp is a cross pick one trick pony you are missing the huge depth of his sound. What the hell it's only one opinion.

To be fair, I absolutely shouldn't have included you in that post as I agree that, whilst we have very different musical tastes, you have always been civil even when we vehemently disagree. I apologise unreservedly.

Unfortunately, triceratopsoil and I have "history". I had hoped it had ended as (I thought) that we had agreed that we would ignore each other, but clearly not.


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 08:18
1. Steve Howe
2. David Gilmour
3. Alex Lifeson
4. Steve Hackett
5. Robert Fripp

after that, NO EXCEPTIONS (besides Frank Zappa)


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Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 09:00
When Gilmour is good, he is just heavenly. The next group (Fripp, Howe & Hackett) are just not as essential......

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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 09:08
Such a difficult question! Gilmour has excellent tones and a great style, Robert Fripp goes to the extremes of heavy jazz-rock, Steve Howe is easily the greatest at psychedelic guitar and all have unique acoustic styles... I don't really think Hackett is quite in the same league as these (even though he employs great techniques like tapping), and I'm probably going to go with Steve Howe. Also like to mention Lifeson, he did a great job fusing heavy blues-based rock with the much more complex progressive styles Smile


Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 13:07
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:



I stand by my comment that if you think Fripp is a cross pick one trick pony you are missing the huge depth of his sound. What the hell it's only one opinion.


That's all I was saying as well, but I know how that guy responds to anybody who disagrees with him.  Somewhat ironically.


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 03:10
I voted for Fripp, but I'd have to include all Crimson guitarists in that vote.


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 03:53
Akkerman! 

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Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 11:32
Sorry if I didn't have your favorite guitarist listed. I had to narrow about 46 years of prog guitarists down to 24 choices. That's for voting and contributing.



Gilmour, Fripp and Howe leading the pack. I think Gilmour is the least technically gifted and plays the most limited range of guitar, but, his touch is simply superb.

Fripp is the most adventurous.

Howe is simply in a class of his own. As is Fripp too, I suppose.

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Posted By: Astral Traveller94
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 22:33
Steve Howe and Alex Lifeson.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 11 2013 at 20:25

Fripp but then KC are my favorite prog band.....I also love Hackett, Howe, Gilmore and Santana.

and I don't want to forget Barre and Latimore.

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