Add Buckethead?
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Topic: Add Buckethead?
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Subject: Add Buckethead?
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:11
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I think that if anybody heard albums like Bucketheadland or Giant Robot
they would understand that Buckethead creates very progressive
music. Highly experimental, conceptual, funky, fusion,
prog-metal, and most of all avant-garde. At allmusic he's listed as: Electronic/Avant-Garde/Minimalist Music -Experimental Rock -Fusion -Experimental -Funk Metal -Guitar Virtuoso -Heavy Metal -Progressive Metal -Instrumental Rock -Prog-Rock/Art Rock Nice lineup eh? I know we've said we can't add John Zorn because he's jazz, but here we have a guitar John Zorn who plays avant-prog-rock. And those of you who think he's just a shredder who played with Guns 'N Roses for a while, think again. |
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:21
I've only heard bits and pieces of what he's done... but from what I've heard he is pretty proggy... maybe if I heard some more stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:43
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Yes, I'd have to hear something! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:52
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NO!!!!!!!!! Being avant-garde does not make you Prog.  Electric Tears is pretty cool though. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 20:55
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Didn't buckethead play in G'n'R once? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 22:54
| Yes he did Snow Dog. And Tony R, Buckethead fits the avant-prog description here perfectly. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: August 05 2005 at 23:52
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I hate that Buckethead...because I love Slash...(not in a sexual way!)...but I didnt know his solo works were as they were discrived here...guitar virtuoso? Really? did not know that...I thought we just played Slashs solos and thats about it...does he still uses that bucket and mask?...what an asshole...what is he, Slipknots little brother?
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...what an ass! long live Slash!Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 01:14
| Posts like that should be completely disregarded. Let's move on. |
Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:44
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Agreed, besides Buckethead is a superior guitarist to Slash. His music is very experimental and unique. I voted yes but now that i think it doesn't have that atmosphere that prog has. It's only got the experimentation. So probably no. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Retrovertigo wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:12
Does Prog have to have atmosphere? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:27
I'm talking about the atmosphere or sound that is inherent in prog. Not like the atmosphere pink floyd creates using effects. Sorry for the confusion. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:33
No...sorry, I am confused now! I don't think I was before? So my question still stands! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:35
Screw it. I'll just say it's not necassary in prog. However i feel that it is an important factor in the prog that i like. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:38
Well, I got an answer out of you! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:41
| Definitely a worthwhile addition. |
Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 06 2005 at 20:41
You tricky bastard ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 00:50
| I heard one of his albums way back when, and while there's no question he's an incredible and very experimental guitarist, it would never have occured to me to describe him as prog. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 02:18
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Pretty much the same for me, except I heard two albums ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Bones Rasta
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 22:11
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DEFINATeLY! ------------- an open mind and an honest heart brings out the best in everyone. |
Posted By: Bones Rasta
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 22:14
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Saw him live on the third. still collecting bits of my brain. show may have topped rush. i love buckethead cant say enough so i wont say much. check him out for yourself. dont dismiss him off the first thing you hear. his music is very very diverse. he is also good friends with bootsy collins!
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 06 2005 at 23:01
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Buckethead is a genius. Prog Related at the VERY LEAST. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: RoyalJelly
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 05:53
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I haven't heard Buckethead's solo music, but I can say this. He played on the last album of the greatest drummer of all time, Tony Williams. The group is called Arcana, it's a Bill Laswell project he did with Tony, the album is called "Arc of the Testimony", Tony Williams died just after it was released. It has a Crimsonesque feel to it, but with Pharoah Sanders saxaphone it has an unbelievably sublime, spiritual ambience. And Buckethead just shreds all over it, it's definitely what one would refer to here as "essential, a prog masterpiece". I think the album may sadly be out of print, but any one who played on that, they should roll out the red carpet for on this website. |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 06:37
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dunno about the music but impressive head gear. ------------- Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005 |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 06:41
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YES -------------  |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 07:47
Yeah. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 07:49
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I was wondering when you were going to answer ------------- |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 13:43
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But so is Fred Frith, for example, and AFAIK only his work with Henry Cow is considered prog here... ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: November 07 2005 at 13:47
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------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
why does so much of the best stuff have to be so difficult to get ones hands on?Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:11
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He should definately be added to the site. There are many bands/artists on here who are less progressive than Buckethead, particularly a lot of prog metal artists. Look at the criteria for being progressive! "Long compositions, sometimes running over 20 minutes, with intricate melodies and harmonies that require repeated listening to grasp."
Buckethead has a good amount of EPICS. Just look at his new (and extremely ambitious) collection he released of 13 albums. 18 of the songs clock at over 10 minutes and one of them is over 40 minutes! They all include massive amounts of improvisation, and lots of jazz/fusion integreation and/or influence
"Progressive rock was largely a European movement, and drew most of its influences from classical music and jazz fusion"
"Lyrics that convey intricate and sometimes impenetrable narratives, covering such themes as science fiction, fantasy, history, religion, war, love, and madness."
Many of Buckethead's lyrical albums incorporate the weirdest and most impenetrable narratives found not only in prog, but anywhere. Definately cover science fiction themes (he is extremely fond of robots, monsters, space, etc.) Obviously fantasy, as many songs include battles between mythical creatures and other things of that nature. Clearly war and madness are a common lyrical/musical theme as well.
"Concept albums, in which a theme or storyline is explored throughout an entire album in a manner similar to a film or a play."
If anyone has a doubt about this listen to Bucketheadland, Giant Robot or any of Buckethead's other lyrical albums. They all tell stories, and though they may make little sense, they are stories nonetheless. Even Buckethead's most classic style prog album, Population Override is an instrumental concept album, like Camel's The Snow Goose. It continuously has an underlining theme of well... population override. There's no doubt that Buckethead has used the concept album formular quite often.
"Unusual vocal styles and use of multi-part vocal harmonies."
Half of the vocals that appear in Buckethead's music are strange and robotic often inhuman. No matter what way you look at it, the vocals on Buckethead albums are very different from those appearing in modern rock/pop.
"Prominent use of electronic instrumentation"
Buckethead often incorporates synthesizers into his music. Population Override is a prime example of this with it's extended synth solos, very similar to the classic prog style we all know and love.
"Use of unusual time signatures, scales, or tunings"
I am not sure how much time signature changing Buckethead uses, but he's used just about every odd scale one can think of. He's used scales ranging everywhere from standard to middle eastern style being able to touch on almost every style of music, making him more versatile than most prog musicians. If prog isn't about constantly changing and evolving then I guess I don't know anything.
Honestly the least we could do is add him to Prog Related. No one can say artists like The Doors and Blue Oyster Cult are more varied and progressive than Buckethead. One may not enjoy his music, and may find him a joke, but the truth is at one point or another he has touched the genre of prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:13
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Yeah, he will belong here when hell freezes over and a flock of flying pigs hit the side of an airplane... ------------- Beauty will save the world. 
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Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:25
That wasn't nice... -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:26
'Twas true though. ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Fight Club
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:31
You read what I wrote? -------------
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Posted By: Chris H
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 17:34
Uh, yes? ------------- Beauty will save the world.
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 23 2007 at 18:40
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I think he has already been approved.
Try contacting The Progtologist or Geck0
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Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 14:22
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Buckethead's music is definately progressive, I think there is a tendency for people to stereotype any music assosciated with 'shred' or 'shredders' as being simplistic and dull. Listen to Buckethead's music without prejudice - then make an informed decision on whether you think he is progressive. ------------- 
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Posted By: Prayermad
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 14:27
| I think he is very prog and avant-garde. He is also one of my all-time favourite guitarists. I voted yes. |
Posted By: william314159
Date Posted: April 26 2007 at 23:21
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i dont understand the prejudice towards buckethead
is it because he played in G&R?
70's genesis played in 80's genesis
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Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 02:44
hahaha nice comparison! I think it's just people assosciate him with negative things, like if I say buckethead to one of my friends they'll be like 'oh he's that mindless shredder guy' because they've probably heard about him or seen some video on youtube. -------------
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Posted By: Yontar
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 09:36
| i own some material of his and it is very much prog. I mean in my opinion avant-garde is basically the same as prog or at least the way he does it is. He has a completely unique style and plays some of the most outrageous solos i have ever heard. Buckethead freaking owns! |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 11:37
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[QUOTE=RoyalJelly]I haven't heard Buckethead's solo music, but I can say this. He played on the last album of the greatest drummer of all time, Tony Williams. The group is called Arcana, it's a Bill Laswell project he did with Tony, the album is called "Arc of the Testimony", Tony Williams died just after it was released. It has a Crimsonesque feel to it, but with Pharoah Sanders saxaphone it has an unbelievably sublime, spiritual ambience. QUOTE] As it happens, KC cover a Pharoah Sanders track on the KCCC issue Live At Summit Studios, Denver.
BTW One Buckethead album up at least in PA, under Jonas Hellborg's name : Octave Of the Holy Innocents - one of the best jazz rock fusion albums of the 90's IMHO.
Bill Laswell's name comes a number of times associated with Buckethead - e.g. check out the v difficult to define music of Praxis. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:33
| Why not? He would fit well, in my opinion. |
Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:44
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No, i dont think so that his stuff may considered prog. Maybe sounds little prog now and then, but thats all. -------------  |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:50
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^ which albums do you base this opinion on? They're all very, very different ...
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Posted By: FruMp
Date Posted: April 28 2007 at 05:40
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Praxis should DEFINATELY be on this site, I'm going to personally submit it - what an awesome group, bootsie collins on bass, the keyboardist from funkadelic on keys, brain on drums and buckethead on guitar. VERY experimental, if you need proof get the album 'Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)', the first song spans from speed metal to shred to dub to funk to electronica. -------------
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Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:43
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Hahaha, el bothy hasn't changed much in two years. ;-)
I've never heard much from him, so I don't really care.
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:45
| Buckethead is definitely avat0garde prog, I dont see why not. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:47
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YESSS! FOR GODS SAKES YES!
so mabe he isnt "classic" prog but his stuff all has prog elements and Kaleidoscalp is one of the most avant records I have heard in a long time.
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Posted By: jikai55
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 11:53
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Has this gone anywhere? -------------  I like cheese and I like metal! --Mikael Åkerfeldt |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: August 17 2007 at 23:12
The powers that be, according to the Ratingfreak submissions page I saw, gave him a very resounding "NO".
 On that note, I will say that the first time I saw him play live was at the "International Progressive Rock Festival" at the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco, 1999. He was followed by Porcupine Tree and Magma. He was definitely more prog based than the act that preceded him, "Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists", the only act I walked out on that weekend. The guy uses nunchuks on stage, it is well known that nunchuks are only used by ninjas and prog artists, and he's to tall to be a ninja. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 14:39
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), Jazz, Metal, Funk Metal, Prog Metal, Progresive Rock, guitar virtuoso, Instrumental Rock, Art Rock...What is missing? Salsa, Rap, Hip Hop and reggaeton (Well, he's been working with the underground Hip Hop scenario and Allmusic mentions it but has forgoten to add it in his styles). 
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:02
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^ *sigh* ... what happened to brevity ... I thought it was a virtue! The problem with Buckethead is that he really has so many different styles ... it's almost like he decided to never release two albums with similar styles. He could either be added to the archives as progressive metal shred (which allmusic call "virtuoso") because of highly experimental/technical/avant-garde albums like Kaleidoscalp ... or he could be added as a Post Rock artist because of ambient/experimental stuff like Colma. Personally I think that he would be best in Prog Related, because - as you so eloquently put - he's more experimental than prog. BTW: Sorry about the earthquake ... hope the people of the devastated areas recover from the catastrophy. A friend of mine was in the area twelve months ago (Pisco). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: cookieacquired
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 21:47
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yes but where do we put him? -------------   |
Posted By: 1800iareyay
Date Posted: August 19 2007 at 22:01
| Well, Vai is in related, but Buckethead I would classify as more progressive. I don't think he'd fit in prog metal, and avant's a stretch, so he might as well go in related. I disagree w/ micky and Ivan. Malmsteen doesn't need to be added first (though he could easily be on the site in related as an influence on prog). Bucethead's compositions sound nothing like Malmsteen's. Yngwie uses neoclassical sarpeggios and adaptions of classical music to show off his playing. Buckethead incorporates electronic, hip-hop, funk, metal, classical, blues, trance, and a lot more |
Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 03:31
Buckethead has been approved for addition and is on the new " Artists to add" list.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 07:54
Hooray 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:45
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^^ Prog Related I presume?
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:26
it doesn't say Mike
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 20 2007 at 11:53
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Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution.
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Posted By: ino_100
Date Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:49
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Try the album : Chicken Noodles you will hear prog, believe me And try the group Thanatopsis (another buckethead group) youtube link to Thanatopsis : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKcsbqzdfQ8 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:54
I got into mr. head courstesy of Les Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains. It turned out I already had him in my collection on Bill Laswell's Divination Ambient Dub Volume 1.
I've not only got the Arcana album, it's excellent, and I also work at a small firm called Arcana.
 He's already got one foot at least on this site - Octave of the Holy Innocents with Hellborg and Shrieve another excellent album as already mentioned^. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: January 04 2008 at 16:11
Hey, I have sooooo changed... ...I still hate Buckethead ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: #1floydfan
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 17:22
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i would have to say yes. bucket head is awesome!
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Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 22:54
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Prog-related.
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: March 04 2008 at 23:07
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I love Buckethead, he is one of my favorite shredders...but he doesn't fit the site. ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: March 05 2008 at 01:34
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I absolutely love Buckethead too, and can even play some of his stuff on guitar, but IMO, he wouldn't fit in as prog and even Prog-Related might be a stretch. ------------- 
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Posted By: Astrodomine
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 13:25
| Buckethead should definitively be added |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: March 28 2008 at 19:16
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He played with Axel Rose. And no one know how old that KFC bucket is, and why he did not share the fried chicken with anyone. Reason enough. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 25 2008 at 18:51
Reason enough to both add and exclude him, did I mention he has a really cool web site... http://www.bucketheadland.com/bucketheadland.html - http://www.bucketheadland.com/bucketheadland.html And here's a few of the places that he's been courtesy of http://www.bingeandgrab.com/discography_years.html:
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Posted By: ComfortablyNumb
Date Posted: April 26 2008 at 05:30
Response to the above post:  Holy Sh*t!!! Btw, I think he should be added somewhere here in the Archives. CN  |
Posted By: wbiphoto
Date Posted: May 14 2008 at 15:23
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MOST Definitely, Buckethead should be on PA. No questions about it.
If we have the likes of Radiohead and similar artists on PA, whom in my opinion are borderline progressive, how can Buckethead not be part of the PA family?!
Buckethead embodies the spirit of prog. He creates music that crosses various progressive genres: prog metal, eclectic prog, experimental, heavy prog, jazz-rock fusion, tech/extreme metal, avant-prog and I may have missed a sub-genre or two.
He posesses virtuosity in spades and can not only shred but plays with much taste and soul on much of his material. His compositions are fresh and free of categorization. Is that not the spiriti of prog?
So what if he played with G-n-R! That should have NO bearing on his solo output.
I say make him part of the PA family and do it soon! MANY prog fans will be greatful to discover such a unique and progressive artist.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:12
What? Well forget it then.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: wetton fan
Date Posted: May 14 2008 at 16:58
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For anyone needing a primer on Buckethead,I would highly recommend Mutatis Mutandis by Praxis....incredible stuff,by Buck,as well as some really cool Mutron stuff by Bootzilla.... |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 14 2008 at 17:04
Argentine humour wins for me!! ...wait a sec! this isn't a humor poll, oh... I'm not familiar with him....ain't I? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 14 2008 at 19:15
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As far as the solo albums go, I'd start with Monsters & Robots.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 15 2008 at 19:02
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Harper's Index reports the following (I am not making this up): Rank of "god" and "satan" among the top Google searches beginning with "who is" 1,10 Rank of "buckethead" 6. I rest my case. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Yukorin
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 07:01
What the man said. Stunning record.
Didn't vote however. Personally couldn't give a toss what is on here or not ------------- 
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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: May 19 2008 at 07:16
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I think Buckethead should be on this site. He is a multi-Instrumentalist (which is good on a prog resume), he's done many prog-like styles (e.g. Jazz Fusion, avant-garde metal) and from listening to a lot of his music (his discography is huge, might I add, so listening to a fraction of it is still a lot of material) I would definitely say that Buckethead should be included on the site. -------------  Would you like some Bailey's? |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:33
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I think he should even if its only prog related hes worked with Primus,John Zorn,Painkiller,Praxis,Tony Williams,Mike Patton,Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains and finally the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers soundtrack! these all are or should be prog related! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:58
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He was already rejected for inclusion, so not sure why this is still going. -------------
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Posted By: fabien
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:12
| because he is still releasing avant-garde/ prog music... |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:31
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:07
So has Metallica, and we all know how beaten that horse is on a daily basis. Just picked up Kaleidoscalp, no other way to describe the album than Progressive Metal. The guy has created more music in the last 10 years than most people even listen too. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:46
That doesn't merit an inclusion, if that music was Prog, yes, but I believe this is not the case.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 17:10
One of his particularly experimental albums, I've read. Can't say I know it. Yeah, he has had quite a varied solo career, hasn't he? Very prolific, and involved in so many projects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/buckethead - http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/buckethead Can make it difficult in both prolific and diverse cases since there's so much material to consider for a proper evaluation. What do people consider to be his most essential releases (from a progressive standpoint)? And sorry if this has been covered already, I haven't gone through the topic yet.  ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 03:50
Point well taken. Yep, quite varied. I don't know what albums/songs were chosen when he didn't pass before, but I can well understand that 5 or 10 random songs from his discography could cause someone to think the suggestion would be absolutely ludicrous. And which albums would be most essential? Hard to say. from a progressive standpoint, certainly the one I just picked up, Kaleidoscalp. I would also include Monsters and Robots, One Flew Over the Slaughterhouse and Day of the Robot. It would be difficult to know where to place him to. What I just listened to would be Prog-metal. Some, like Day of the Robot would be more Electronic Prog. Some of his stuff is ultra-mellow like Colma and Electric Tears. His aura, mythology and lack of being able to classify him really fits RIO. I will add this: the one time I saw him perform live was it the International Progressive Music Festival in SF, 1998. So somebody out there with some knowledge of what they can get away with calling progressive thinks he's progressive enough to be included in a progressive festival. I have to admit i was a little dissappointed that he joined Guns and Roses. It was pretty funny though that he was kicked out of the band and Axel Rose called his behavior "...erratic..." and had a "...transient lifestyle." Pot...kettle...black...anyone? ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 04:25
If I came across as bashing Buckethead, that's not the case at all. He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time always manages to sit in my top ten most played artists in my Last FM profile and indeed, I have learnt a few of his songs on guitar. I consider him to a truly amazing genius and to have been able to have played with so many artists and bands over the years, is no easy feat. The problem with Buckethead is consistency in progressive or prog related output... but the same can be said of even many prog artists too, so perhaps. I haven't heard all his albums yet, since as you mention he has a huge discography. Some of his stuff, really is truly experimental music. And that's not even before we talk about the experimental and avant-garde artists and bands he has played with. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 09:52
Hadn't heard he got kicked out. Maybe because his hat wasn't as cool as Stab's. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 10:41
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 11:35
No, I didn't think you were bashing him. You just happened to be the last post to reply to after I did a search for him so I wasn't starting an extraneous new thread. My only contention was that we have several examples (and one glaring example) that being denied once does not end the discussion. And yes, that huge discography is big problem. I am sure I have not found the material that best exemplifies his progressive work. Nor have I found the worst. Although, I suppose G n' R would have to be close. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 11:39
Its funny, he was writing his stuff, working abundant side projects, doing live shows with some of them. During that time frame he showed up on a lot of CD's and DVD's. I guess that's what they called "transient life style." http://www.last.fm/music/Buckethead/+wiki - http://www.last.fm/music/Buckethead/+wiki ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 05:43
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I'll support him. But who's gonna add his huge discography ? That would be job for a madman.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: October 25 2009 at 11:38
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Buckethead is under evaluation since August, and it will be so for another while. For evaluation we need to go through his entire career thoroughly, and to consider all the parameters carefully. Personally, I'm unsure if he's actually a prog rock artist - but I see why some people are underlining his prog credentials; so it's not an easy "yes or no" case.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 00:07
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I know Clarke he is, but I look it from this point of view: He collaborated, or released under his name countless (how much exactly, 40? 70?) of albums and for sure 10-20 of them are truly prog. Nah, am just guessing, but you know the point, when someone is so prolific, prog it can mean a lot of prog albums here. The truth is that I listened just few of his albums, but from what I heard, I was amazed. Yesterday I was listening Exivious and I recalled him. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 01:50
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I suspect he'll be added someday |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: October 26 2009 at 06:32
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I wanted to fear the day when Metallica will be added, but when I search for it, it was already done. This time, it's expectation for Buckethead. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:11
| I actually was extremely surprised when I saw that he hasn't been included. At the very least he is prog related. He also could be considered experimental or eclectic easily. He draws from so many influences and styles, he is hard to classify, but I think he absolutely should be on here (especially if people like Steve Vai are). |
Posted By: Nightshine
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 16:13
| There's nearly a 3:1 vote over the yes:no ratio. Give in already and accept the fact that he's written progressive rock music. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 17:25
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Buckethead still hasn't been included? lol ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: November 07 2010 at 17:31
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Sorry not sure, but...Hasn't this poll changed recently in a dramatic way? Iván -------------
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