Van or Von??
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Topic: Van or Von??
Posted By: Sean Trane
Subject: Van or Von??
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 02:44
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Beethoven's last name in full... which is it?? Please don't cheat by looking it up beforehand , it's important  (and who cares if you got it wrong >> I did )(I'll explain later, but it's a debate between my and a buddy) |
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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 02:48
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Van Beethoven
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 03:02
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von
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 03:46
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As far as I have known for the last 45 years it is "Van Beethoven". The name is of Flemish origin, amirite? ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:17
| It must surely be Van otherwise the joke in the name of the band "Camper Van Beethoven" wouldn't have worked. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:43
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chopper wrote:Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:04
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Van? -------------  
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:34
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Suv ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:58
QED ------------- What? |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:04
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:30
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FAQ -------------
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:45
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Morrison. ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:57
I believe his friends called him Van The Man...........
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:24
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Van. Always was, always will. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:28
Yess, he's of Flemish origins from his grandfather... The point was when this arose at work, both my Flemish colleague and my other German colleague and I (half-Begian myself)always thought it was Von Beethoven... and I'm pretty sure that most of my friends in Toronto said Von as well... I take it that it's mainly because he was of German birth (Bonn, actually) that everybody assumes it's Von instead of Van... but I'm sort of relieved that a big part of music fans are also in the wrong about this ... It's actually an Italian colleague that proved us all wrong... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:38
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To be honest, in my 35 years of age, about 27 of them listening and reading about classical music, I have never, NOT ONCE, seen good Ludwig's last name used with "Von".
Edit: actually, I have, but normally in quite non-musical websites -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:57
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Like Teo, I'm surprised so many thought it was von, (is there a German word "hoven"?) ------------- What? |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 17:06
well my bad habit about Ludwig's moniker dates when I was a teen... and nobody ever thought to actually look it up in a dictionary or encyclopedia... Being 15 years older than you , we didn't have Google, smartphones or laptops (or Wiki, FTM) at our whimsical disposal back then |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 17:06
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Not such a word in the Deutsche language
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 01:36
In either case, my point is proven to my colleagues... Even music fans make this rather-common mistake... And the phonetic difference between Van and Von in the thick of a conversation is not that big either.. so this point hasn't arised before. In our case, it's the Italian colleagues' more arduous pronounciation that made my Flemish colleague want to correct him (wrongly as it turns out to his own Flemish pride) anyway, thanks to everyone for participating |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 01:55
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Perhaps it's an error only German and Dutch speakers make. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 03:16
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Van Beethoven "Van" is Dutch/Flemish for "from" "Beet" is a "biet", which is, well the Dutch word for a "beet"  "Hoven" is the plural from "hof", which is the Dutch word for "garden" So, the famous composer Ludwig van Beethoven is actually: Ludwig from the beet gardens
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 03:49
As Ludwig means "famed warrior"... he becomes "famous warrior from the beet gardens" .   ... or beer gardens.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 05:49
His old man used to frequent the beer gardens on a regular base. -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 08:46
 Great! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 18:34
Ludwig's daddy was from Leuven (Louvain) and his grandfather was from Mechelen (Malines) had they been Dutch (insteazd of Flemish), their name would've been van Beethoven (small "v") but shouldn't Ludwig's name be Lodewijk, then??? |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 18:54
| It's Vaughn. Ludwig Vaughn Beethoven. Or "L'Vaughn" for short. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 19:31
| I've always known it to be 'Von'. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 20:32
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How about "Furtwangler's Van Beethoven"? That's the real thing.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 19 2014 at 13:49
Lodewijk, yes! Well, I see now that I already wrote Ludwig van Beethoven, with a small letter v, the Dutch way, in an earlier post. What's more: I see on the Dutch Wikipedia the same thing, and on the German and the French version... So we all wrote it wrong all those years, except for the Belgians, who wrote Ludwig Van Beethoven with a capital v all the time!  |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 19 2014 at 18:11
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No. Everybody everywhere has always written VAN. I don't know where this new "von" thing came from. Probably from a prog website or something . -------------
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 04:16
One of the most amazing read in the Netherlands is the Amsterdam phonebook  , where you'd have to look afor Ludwig's phone # under B (for Beethoven, van) instead of V (for Van B...)And for a colleague's name van der Aat, I'd probably have to look under the lletter A   |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 04:41
 I believe not knowing the name of some famous (as in popular) classical piece and its author would rather be more common. E.g., I didn't know the name of Adagio in G minor and the name of Tomaso Albinoni until I read them on YouTube two years ago. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 05:01
 
At first I thought there was some subtle nuance of Flemish I was missing here, but if anyone had actually looked at Ludwig's signature:  You can see that he uses an upper case "V" himself (though quite how that scribbled first word is "Ludwig" defeats me), however in this letter you can see he's invented a middle-case "v"  And in others it's closer to a lower-case "v" - without going into an "scientific" investigation I suspect it changed over time to be less "Belgian" and more "Austrian". Either way, filling him under "V" is like filing The Beatles under "T" isn't it? Sure you can do it, but it's not particularly helpful. ------------- What? |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 05:28
According to Dutch lexicographical logic, van der Aat's phone # is to be fount on one of the first pages of the phonebook. Prepositions and articles have a minor influence on the alphabetical order. That's why I expected to find Van der Graaf Generator in the company of Genesis, Gentle Giant and Gnidrolog here on PA, years ago .
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 05:50
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The band name is a complete misspelling anyway, the Generator of static electricity that bears the name was designed by Robert Van de Graaff, an american of Dutch heritage. Why is the "V" is capitalised and the "de" not? Is this another nuance? I'm beginning to suspect things aren't all that consistent. Here we regard VdGG as a whole band name rather than a personal name so would no more file them under "G" than we would Pink Floyd under "F" or Jethro Tull under "T" (though over the years many have tried) ... or perhaps Porcupine Tree under "T" or King Crimson under "C". Luckily we don't have to worry about Manfred Mann. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 06:45
Dutchmen would say: Robert van de Graaff, but: mr. Van de Graaff, so when the first name isn't being used, you capitalize the V Flemish people would always capitalize the V, in all circumstances But both the Dutch and the Flemings wouldn't capitalize the d. Easy does it |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 06:47
The official rule (for the Netherlands at least) is that you don't use capitals is the first name is given (or abbreviated). So: mister Robert van de Graaf mister R. van de Graaff If however the first name is not provided then the first letter of the family name prefixes must be capitalized. Hence: mister Van de Graaff So if you've seen it as Robert Van de Graaff then he probably forgot how to spell his own name from being American for too long. PS. I had to correct the above 3 times as I kept spelling Van de Graaf with one f. 2 ff's just doesn't make much sense at all in modern Dutch! |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 06:48
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That other Belgian here is too fast for me PS on topic. I always thought it was Von Beethoven as I was not aware of his Flemish origins. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 06:51
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Hmmm I never had this problem when I changed my Facebook name to Aladdin von Pottenheim (notice the small v in there). The von did have it's upsides though. Shortly after having changed my name, I was bombed with mails from Russia and Ukraine, where young women, who all seemed to be looking for sex(Yay!), clearly wanted me badly. My first reaction though was that they'd read the Aladdin part of the name and thought to themselves: 'Oy isn't that the guy with the lamp and the cute blue hovering dude?' and then later on I remembered just how many lords and counts who tend to have a 'von' snuck in somewhere in their name.... Either way, I never befriended any of those girls - I was a little worried about them turning out to be some old guy from Stockholm that for some reason just had a thing for my, at the time, rainbow-coloured hair due. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 08:44
Some Dutch people, http://www.progarchives.com/Collaborators.asp?id=15928" rel="nofollow - even a PA collab , may not agree with this. Even the variety "van de(r) Graaff" occurs now and then. -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 08:51
Yes!   Sorry about that
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 12:25
If the "other Belgian' is Moogtron, he's actually Dutch if memory srves... but choose to mive in a better land (beer most likely )I betcha that most Belgians are not aware of Ludwig's father and grandfather origins I certainly wasn't last week... |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 12:37
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I thought the only fast Belgian was called Eddy. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 14:45
Hehe, your memory serves you well, Hugues, and yes, Bonnek meant me. Yes, I'm a crypto-Belgian, I'm disguised as a Belgian  I used to lead youth camps in Africa, representing Belgium among countries like the Netherlands, South-Africa, Germany and Rwanda, singing the Belgian national hymn (very un-Belgian to know that one, even former prime minister Yves Leterme couldn't distinguish it from the French Marseillaise), showing Belgian beer, making Belgian chocolate mousse, introducing Belgian comic strips (Smurfs, Tintin), and big was the astonishment once when I said that I was not a Belgian at all, but had a Dutch passport. You, Hugues were the true Belgian (though I remember that you lived in Toronto as well) who worked in the Netherlands, Petten if I recall well, and I was the Dutchman who was living in Belgium. Belgium a better land, huh? Well, what a coincidence that I was just sipping from my Belgian beer, so that's spot on The beer is definitely better, the pils, the trappist, everything! And for the rest... there are pros and cons in both of the countries. I like the bourgondy lifestyle of the Belgians, the fact that there still is a lot of youth working, like scouts, chiro and stuff... but I do prefer the directness and the openness of the Dutch, well, some of the Dutch. Both countries have their strong and weak points.BTW in a few months I'm moving for the third time in 10 years, from Menen at the French border, over Dendermonde (Termonde) in the midst of Flanders, to Turnhout, close to the Dutch border. As for Lodewijk/Ludwig van Beethoven, sorry Van Beethoven, I was aware of Ludwigs roots, but when I discovered it, some years ago, I was just as surprised. It seems that in Germany, he had the heavy accent of his own surroundings, nothing Belgian left... I come from Rotterdam, my family comes from the utmost northern part of Groningen, but sometimes I hear something slightly northern in my own accent. Maybe Ludwig was using some "allez" and "ça va" from time to time as well Ludwig is one of the best composers ever, BTW. I'm still astonished by his 5th Symphony. It sounds so modern, like pop music. On the other hand, some of his later string quartets are like RIO, or should I say SIO? Symphonic in opposition Back to my Jupiler...
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 15:47
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Flandern/Belgia/Netherland/Friesland is all confusing -------------  
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 16:13
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The Belgian beer is the best in the world, I agree: uncontested. Yet there have emerged some outstanding breweries in Dutchistan in recent years: Jopen and De Leckere. So we've been catching up a bit lately . -------------
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 04:38
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Larger than a station wagon, smaller than an SUV.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 06:11
Touché, my friend And yes, Holland is a dream place for kids and cyclist (though you should NEVER leave home on bike with the wind in your back.... coz you're not sure you'll be able to come back) . Byt yeah, some Dutch can be a bit too blunt... but that's allright... you know where you stand with them. Actually I work in West Fruesland, but spoken Northern Dutch dialects (including Frison) always made it difficult for me to adapt... Though I'm now able to guess in 50% of the cases what the second half of the four syllable word is... (don't ask me to write it (ABN, Flemish or Frison) though From Gronigen, uh?? In the news this w-e, I saw the near-riots in the demos (this seems so un-Dutch ) against exploiting gas pockets because they're causing mini-earthquake (125 last year)... Living close to Bergen, where they registered only two, they're about to reuse the old gas pockets and use them as storage tanks SIO Tonight, it'll be a Chimay Blue |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 08:07
True, I meant 'Dutch' as in 'Flemish'. We don't double-f , too archaic |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 08:11
Wally? We moved quite a bit off the Beethoven topic now |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 09:29
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 09:40
| Van Beethoven, Von Zamla. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 01:55
Yes, cycling in Holland... Indeed, we can put that at the advantages of Belgium, the lack of heavy wind, but the cycling paths in Belgium, hmmm well... Groningen: my family left at the right time, I suppose The dialects: I couldn't understand anything from the West Flanders dialect when I got there. East Flanders is much easier now, and now looking forward to hearing a Brabant accent, or no accent at all... Chimay blue is my favorite trappist
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 04:04
Despite the sometimes heavy wind, I can hardly imagine a country where biking is more pleasant than here in Holland. It is one of my favourite activities. I yearn for biking long distances again when the days lengthen and the temperatures rise. Of all the accents I find that of Brabant the hardest to stand, leaving even plat-Uteregs behind. I wonder why anyone can look forward to hear it... Chimay Blue is an excellent trappist. Ever tried Rochefort 10°? -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 04:33
Utrecht had some nice places when I was living in the north part (Maarseveense Plassen etc.) but living in the south, in Tolsteeg, there was a big lack of nature. I enjoy biking in Flandres. In my West-Flandres years, I was living on 5 minutes biking distance from France. I liked to bike there, but the Flandres part was more beautiful and biker-friendly than the French part. In East-Flandres, I enjoyed biking alongside the rivers Scheldt and Dender, and and a lake nearby (Donkmeer). I'm looking forward in Turnhout to bike in the Campine area. Looking forward to hearing Brabants: firstly because change is the heartbeat of life. I like dialects to a certain extent, because of their etymologic origins. I have always been interested in languages and regional languages. After some time dialects begin to irritate me, though. So in that respect: I'm happy that I'm moving on again. And Brabants means also: hearing a dialect which is also spoken in The Netherlands. I like to live in another country, but after 10 years in Belgium, I'm also happy to be close to The Netherlands again, to be honest. Not 100% sure if I tried Rochefort. I did try Orval and Westmalle, but in general I prefer Chimay You can recommend it, I suppose?
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 04:53
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I live in Tolsteeg too, but there is nature all around Utrecht: in the east and the northeast there are woods, in the north there are pools and marshes, in the south there are rivers and in the west there is a green and flat land; the only thing we are lacking is: mountains, but we cannot have everything.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 12:30
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You're probably right about nature around Utrecht, and I'm probably too negative. Maybe you made more kilometers on the bike than I did, so you got more out of it than I did Or I was just spoilt So you're living in my old quarter, Tolsteeg, what a coincidence. I looked for Rochefort 10 in the supermarket today (I do the weekly shoppings for our family) but only found 8. Maybe I need to go to a special beer shop for it.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 02:16
One of the things that is better in The Netherlands is the urbanity (despite a greater population density), with better defined habitat spaces. It seems that rules existed a lot longer ago than in Belgum, where the "laissez-faire" was simply atrocious... there are places in both Flanders and Wallonie, where there is no "green spaces' left between villages anymore...if there weren't any city traffic plates, you wouldn't know you changed at all Living during the week in Alkmaar, and you clearly know once you're out of the city limits >> you're in the fields almost right away... ======================== Marcel, I find the Rochefort 8 (green cap) much better... the Blue Cap (10) is simply too sweet for my tastes... I prefer brown beers to blonde ones, but that one is simply too much? I also prefer the 6 (red cap) to the blue cap... it's actually a little sister to the green cap, mich like the Chimay red is to the Chimay blue. Tonight is going to be a Westvleeteren Can't believe I'm still an atheist, drinking all thesebeers brewed by monhs!!
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 03:08
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@Moogtron III: It is not a shame to have less kilometers on the bike than I have. When I go out for a bike ride, I make 60-90 km when I'm with my wife and 80-120 when on my own. And once a year I make a real long one (170-190 km). And I don't use a racing bike, just a conventional one. During the winter months (October-March) I just go out occasionally for 40-70 km.
There are new biking routes in the Netherlands since 2008 (knooppuntenroutes) which I use frequently to create routes throughout the region. -o0o- @Sean Trane: I think the infrastructure of roads in the Netherlands is way better than in Belgium. Moreover, Belgian villages are often stretched along one or just a few streets, so it is easy to pass unnoticed from one village to another. In the Netherlands, the habitat spaces have sharp bounds, like Alkmaar: once you're no longer in, you're really out. Only in the northeast (Drenthe) there are some villages that are actually streets. And about the beer: this is just a matter of taste. Unlike Chimay Blue, Rochefort 10 is not representative for a Trappist, but it is full, strong (11,3% ABV) and rich. I have to try the 6 and the 8 yet, but 10 comes close to perfection imho .
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:06
In general I agree about what you said about the urbanity. The Dutch are champions in spatial planning. There is a flipside to the coin, though. I remember living in Utrecht (Tolsteeg) in a small flat and feeling like a rat trapped in a cage. We had a park nearby and you could escape nowhere from the sounds of cars. In Belgium, spatial planning is lousy, but I enjoyed living in big houses (standard in Belgium) and for our next house, a big garden too. I never felt trapped anymore. Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not? What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both...
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:14
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It's VAN Beethoven what a question. Von Beethoven??? Why the hell would someone even think it's 'von'? Is it somewhere in Pierre Plantard manuscripts?
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:15
Yes, I'm a Knooppuntenroute (English: nodes routes?) - fan myself. They're also in Belgium. Both in West-Flandres and in East-Flandres there are beautiful Knooppuntenroutes. When I'm staying with my parents in law, close to Alphen aan den Rijn, I enjoy biking in the Groene Hart (Green Heart). When I move to Turnhout, I can look forward to Knooppuntenroutes that will cross the Dutch-Belgian border!
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:17
No, but he was born in Germany, and there they sometimes use the word "von" (= "from") in last names, where the Dutch/Flemish use "van".
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 04:29
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But his ancestors were from Belgium. That's why he was van Beethoven not von Beethoven as it stays in German.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 06:29
I know, but not everyone knows he's from Belgian origin, so that's why many people think it's Von Beethoven. That's why this thread was a good idea.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 10:46
Westvleteren? I never tried out the famous beer. It was once voted best beer in the world. It's not easy to get, or is it? You have to go to the monastery, and that's not just a matter of calling on beforehand, there is a sort of luck involved, or not? What you said about not believing you're still an atheist: who am I to contradict you? Okay, this pastor will save the sermon for the sunday Gonna buy myself Rochefort 8 after all. I want to try them both...
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Indeed Westvleteren is the hardest beer to find (probably in the whole world), thoufgh there are circuits in Brussels and even some cafes serving it (around €10.00 per bottle, though) Otherwise, they did sell a bunch (60 000, I believe) of special boxes (the occasion was to finanbce roof renovations of their monastery) with four nottles and two glasses at Colruyt >> they were all go,e in two hours.. They did the same in the US and Canada >> all gone within one day. BTW, it's been noted best beer in the world for the last five years, I believe....
If you'd read the first two pages of the thread, you'd know that hardly anyone knew of his Flemish ancestor, even in Flanders... |
Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:13
It's not a secret knowledge from what I know. Besides it doesn't matter. Beethoven got famous as van Beethoven not von Beethoven. No need to analyze it. ------------- "Du gehst zu Frauen? Vergiss die Peitsche nicht!" |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:45
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There is no point in analyzing it. It's Ludwig van Beethoven. No amount of prog-fan uselessness will change that fact. I wonder why this thread is not deemed useless and closed like all the "leaving" "staying" ones... -------------
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 12:13
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 12:36
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It seems very obvious to me that the only nationals who could have ever possibly got into a bit of confusion over his name were Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, German, Austrians and possibly some Swiss (if they ever get to graduate beyond alpine horn music to appreciate the finer points of Western Classical music of the Romantic era). To the rest of the world there is no cause for confusion, hence there is none (other than the mystery of why this thread has lasted 4 pages).
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 13:18
Well, some of the most-beloved members on this site are Dutch, Flemish/Belgians, Germans, Austrians and possibly some Swiss as well. Maybe we like to be a bit openly confused for a while on this site. The mystery of 4 pages is no big mystery: we meditate on beer and biking too. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:13
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People here try to interpret Yes' TFTO lyrics... I guess that explains why such a nonsense thread as this has 4 pages... -------------
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 14:48
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 15:09
Well, I'm still breaking my head on why Jon Anderson wants to get over overhanging trees, and lets them rape the forest. There's so much hidden depth in Jons lyrics, don't you think? |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 24 2014 at 03:14
Indeed, the last two pages have been about urban planning and beers, if you'll except LSD's fairly toxic interventions...
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 24 2014 at 03:52
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I influenced Albert Hofmann
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 20:51
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 21:03
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^ What is this?
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 08 2014 at 21:58
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It's a joke. They're making a joke of a fictional german composer with a ridiculously long name. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 03:40
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they definitely had vtoo much time on their hands back then, them Pythons |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 12:02
I tried out the Rochefort 10, really good. Now I still need to try out the 8 (Sean's favorite)
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 09 2014 at 12:57
Law and Order SUV ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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