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Topic: The Anderson/Barre Split
Posted By: Gully Foyle
Subject: The Anderson/Barre Split
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 09:57
So, i see a new Anderson album coming out...hopefully none of hte spoken word bits that made it impossible for me to listen to taab2, but i digress

is there any real knowledge out there of why ian and martin seem to have parted ways?  really a terrible shame in my mind, though at least it seems ian has stopped flogging the tull name to death now that the last link to the glorious past is gone...

just curious...



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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 10:15
Here's a Barre interview from when Ian Anderson announced the TaaB 2 tour:  http://www.goldminemag.com/article/jethro-tull-guitarist-martin-barre-takes-high-road-on-taab2-rift" rel="nofollow - http://www.goldminemag.com/article/jethro-tull-guitarist-martin-barre-takes-high-road-on-taab2-rift

Barre: Yeah, well, itís not something I really want to talk about. I think the fact of the matter is, I know nothing about it. When Ian announced on the American tour last year that he didnít want to do any more Jethro Tull shows, Doane and I had no idea that he was planning to do ďThick As A Brick 2.Ē This was all stuff he had planned before he had told us anything. He told us nothing, yet, obviously, he had thought this through for a long time. It is what it is. Everybody has to draw their own conclusions.

My focus now is to carry on the name and the music of Jethro Tull in the tradition that I love and was mostly involved with: the earlier days. Iíve got nothing more to say about it. I could say this, that or the other, but what will happen will happen, and itís fine. Everybody has a right to do what they want to do in life. Itís very easy for others to be critical of decisions and directions musicians want to go in. Itís not for me to say. Iím more interested in me and going in the direction that I want to go. And itís opened up a huge area for me. And vocally, Ian canít really go there anymore. Heís looking at more flute playing. Actually, I donít know what heís looking at, but itís not the heavy Jethro Tull that I want to represent. Thatís all my territory. And I shall embrace it with open arms.

SOunds like they just kinda went their separate ways.



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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 12:02
Ian Anderson once said that there would be no Jethro Tull without Martin Barre. That seems more true now than ever. The question is: Can there be a Jethro Tull without Ian Anderson? That is a bizarre thought. Will they become their own tribute band? Will there be new material? Only time and Martin will tell.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 14 2014 at 12:38
No Tull without Martin and no Tull without Ian.

I have a feeling good old Jethro have not said his last word.



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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 10:47
As much as I have loved Jethro Tull over the years, I think it's time to hang up the banner and start looking into other things. Retirement for Ian Anderson, unless he stops singing (or attempting to), and for Martin to make his mark as one of the best guitarists the world does not know about. A fantastic musical journey and legacy that has finally reached it's end, as everything does in due time, but I don't think they had very much left playing together. It was quite sad seeing them playing Led Zeppelin songs, when they had such an amazing discography, proving they were growing bore of their own music. 


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 11:02
Originally posted by Gully Foyle

So, i see a new Anderson album coming out...hopefully none of hte spoken word bits that made it impossible for me to listen to taab2, but i digress
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just curious...
 
I think you will see more of it. It's been said that Ian has lost most of his voice for singing.


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Posted By: Sergey Lenkov
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 12:17
And Ian said that he made proposal to Martin to participate in TAAB2, but Martin rejected to do it.
I could suppose from words of Martin that copyrights and royalties is the problem in their relations with Ian.
I adjusted for the voice of Ian in the last yeas and I'm really enjoing TAAB2.Big smile
By the way, Martin recorded not bad album Away with Words in 2013 - nice JT style music - new pieces mixed with clasic Tull in new arrangements.


Posted By: Genital Giant
Date Posted: February 16 2014 at 18:20
Ian really can't sing anymore. It's seems the only old Progger that went out gracefully was Bruford.


Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: February 17 2014 at 14:52
His voice's a bit deeper now than it used to, but I don't mind that. The interview linked to earlier was quite enlightening, by the way.

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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 17 2014 at 15:44
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

His voice's a bit deeper now than it used to, but I don't mind that. The interview linked to earlier was quite enlightening, by the way.

Deeper? How about non-existent?! His vocals on stage are embarrassing. He can get away with it in the studio with the latest technology but.....

C'mon, Ian lost his voice years ago and it has gotten so bad on stage that he needs someone else to sing the high bits......I reckon he also needs someone else to sing all the other bits as well!


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 10:47
I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.

that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 18 2014 at 11:06
I would agree that Ian's losing his voice and most probably economical matters are at the root of the split. Ian likely conceived TAAB2 in his mind and saw it's potential for making some fresh cash and wanted to capitalize the profits without having to share too much of them. Music bands can be strange families, now I love you, now stick your guitar's neck in your ass (I may have to do the same with my flute but that will be less painful LOL).


Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: February 19 2014 at 03:58
Originally posted by BaldJean

I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.


After some surgery on his throat back in the 1990s I think his voice has become a lot deeper, which means that he can't do quite the same vocal melodies before. As a result he needs a second vocalist to sing the higher parts when performing old material in the live setting.

Doesn't really bother me, though, but as you can see a lot of people think different.

that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


See also the late Rozz Williams of Christian Death, while in an ostensibly very different genre his vocal style reminded me a lot of an evil Robert Calvert. (right down to affecting a similar accent, despite being American!)

[TUBE]DL6MI4jG3lM[/TUBE]




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Rejecting heaven, spurning the high ground, they stood in the way of demons and damnation... defending themselves alone.


Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: February 19 2014 at 06:22
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

Originally posted by BaldJean

I have not heard Ian Anderson' latest vocal contributions yet, so I can't judge. but let's face it: he was never much of a singer. neither was his range very impressive nor did he hit the notes very well, and his voice was always very nasal.


After some surgery on his throat back in the 1990s I think his voice has become a lot deeper, which means that he can't do quite the same vocal melodies before. As a result he needs a second vocalist to sing the higher parts when performing old material in the live setting.

Doesn't really bother me, though, but as you can see a lot of people think different.

that does not mean I don't like his vocals. one of my favorite vocalists is the late Robert Calvert of Hawkwind, and he could not sing at all. but the way he delivered his vocal contributions was extremely impressive and totally made up for his lacking singing abilities. you don't have to be a good singer to be a good vocalist


See also the late Rozz Williams of Christian Death, while in an ostensibly very different genre his vocal style reminded me a lot of an evil Robert Calvert. (right down to affecting a similar accent, despite being American!)

[TUBE]DL6MI4jG3lM[/TUBE]

actually this track reminds me a lot of this one:
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival.


Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 20:23
It definitely seems(key word here is seems)that Ian and Martin had some sort of falling out. It's unfortunate but sometimes musicians just go in different directions. From what I understand it was the record companies idea for him to do a TAAB 2 album but Ian chose to pursue it as a solo project rather than a JT one.

I do feel lucky in the sense that I was able to see JT live while the band were still active back in 2008. I saw Ian solo about two years prior to that and that show was actually just as good(if not better)than the JT show.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 21:01
Falling out or not, if they're both still healthy, eventually Barre/Anderson will return.  They always have and probably always will, separate projects or not.   We've all been putting up with Ian's diminished voice since the late '80s, you take it or leave it.




Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:39
Originally posted by Atavachron

Falling out or not, if they're both still healthy, eventually Barre/Anderson will return.  They always have and probably always will, separate projects or not.   We've all been putting up with Ian's diminished voice since the late '80s, you take it or leave it.




I appreciate your optimism but really you never know. They might return or they might not. Gentle Giant never returned and neither did the Beatles. Led Zeppelin kind of did but not for another album. The same thing with the Who. So who knows what will happen. It seems neither Ian nor Martin even know.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 18:44
It's not optimism, it's a consistent pattern, and Tull are not facing what Zep, Beatles or the Who did (essentially death).   Just look at the Barre/Anderson history--  if anyone wanted to bet me they wouldn't be back I'd take that bet in a heartbeat.



Posted By: grasshopperman
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 17:22
Saw Martin Barre at Bath Komedia late last year. I looked around and managed to count the people there. Couldn't have been much more than 60. He had a great guitarist playing with him. A French bloke - really nifty. It was a Sunday night mind - and the weather was sh*t.


Posted By: Gully Foyle
Date Posted: February 27 2014 at 11:08
its not the diminished voice that bothered me about taab2, it was the actual talking between songs....just goofy and really a killer for me




Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 12:46

I go pretty far back with Tull. First exposure being many years ago when Benefit came out. Tull for me was always a great band. In my humble opinion the finest of Tull came from the work of ...Barre, Glascock, Barlow, Evans, Hammond and Anderson. That band played it's tail off! All that said Barre was the magician...he kept the rock edge to Tull that gave them their popularity that crossed the boundaries of a heavy blues band that played some folk and classical, to a prog rock behemoth. Anderson always took the lions share of the credit and money from that band and over the years I guess he claimed the name too. But I became only a casual listener to the bands later works after "A" and now that Ian cut Martin for his own self preservation, I lost interest. I know the reviews were pretty good for the TAAB 2 album Ian made, but I never bought it. And I don't intend too. When I want Tull I have the real deal in my collection. And that's quite enough for me.



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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 07:55
Originally posted by Gully Foyle

its not the diminished voice that bothered me about taab2, it was the actual talking between songs....just goofy and really a killer for me


 
Ohhhh, I get it! I have to preform things EXACTLY the way you want!
 
Confused


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www.pedrosena.com


Posted By: Gully Foyle
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 11:24

so what you are saying is that i have no choice in whether i like something or not?


Posted By: ProgVanWinkle
Date Posted: March 04 2014 at 18:28
My 2 cents on Ian, and his voice. 

First of all, obviously his voice is not near what it used to be.   That has to be said.

However, in the studio, it works fine for the most part.  I've heard many prog vocalists not be up to par, and I am perfectly fine with their music.  

(Hell, I was just listening to Steve Howe's "Beginnings" album today and liked it...LOL)

So, for me, his voice is good enough for studio recordings, with help.   I enjoyed TAAB2 very much actually,  Lots of quality compositions on it.

In concert, that's different.   I'd just as soon listen to a different vocalist on stage, at least for a great many of the songs.  Perhaps not all.   But then again, I'm pretty well done with live Ian or Tull at this point.





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