Steve Vai added to bands list !!!
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Topic: Steve Vai added to bands list !!!
Posted By: Tony R
Subject: Steve Vai added to bands list !!!
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:23
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Someone has added Steve Vai. I'm appalled and totally against this. Anyone able to convince me otherwise or do we all agree that the rot has set in...... |
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Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:24
I'm not so sure about Steve Vai... he's a fantastic guitarist and I love his solo work, but I don't really feel that he's done anything truly "progressive". ------------- 
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:24
I'm more upset that Coheed and Cambria were added, then removed, than I
am about Steve's addition... then again, the only Vai I ever
heard was Vai's work with Zappa. 
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:25
| We'll have to poll then. He's a prog-fusion composer. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:26
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I'm ok with it. The net has been cast very wide on the Archives and I think he may be "proggy " enough! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:32
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He`s far more progressive than bands like Queen or Nightwish;) Now really: I glad he`s added because he is a prog/fusion artist ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:33
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Prog or not - he's completely crap, which is enough in my book to get him tossed out of the archive. Actually, I don't think he's prog at all. Just another overschooled, fret shredding bore. Out damn spot, out I say! |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:38
Dream on boy. Not in this lifetime. Have you even hear the guy? ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
arcer wrote:Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:38
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just because he was on tour with petrucci doesn't make him prog. i think he is more of a w**king soloist than petrucci on Train of Thought. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:48
I have had the unfortunate experience of hearing Vai on a number of occasions - it was similar to having root canal surgery: long, painful and barely endurable and you'll pay anything to get out of that room. The criteria by which one judges whether something is progressive or not should not be based on the technical skill of the musician - which I think forms a lot of the requests for the inclusion of shredders. Speed of light legato does not a prog musician make. Why put Vai and leave out Joe Satrian (maybe he's in already too - oh the shame), or Frank Gambale or any number of big-haired plank spankers. Just as Queen are not prog, just as Muse are not prog, just as ELO or Kate Bush or whoever are not prog - neither is Steve Vai. Please remove him |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 13:55
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So you don't like virtuoso guitar playing - what does that have to do with his progressiveness? Do you like Zappa? Do you know what Avant-Prog is? Have you even listened to Flex-Able? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:05
| Yes I have heard Flex-Able. It was, to me, boring, pointless and soulless. I never, ever, in a million blurred notes associated it with prog. I just though it was dull heavy metal played by an egomaniac who had spent too long locked away in a rehearsal room practicing his scales. Sorry. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:08
 Freak------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:10
Fantastic riposte
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:13
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To me Flex able is a very Zappa like album, for that reason maybe he should be included. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:17
Sorry, Snowy, just not for me - he's about as prog as Joey Tempest
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:19
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That's very constructive. How about? "Arcer: I disagree with your post because........." I know it is difficult being a teenager,but seeing as you are 20 tomorrow,I think it is time you grew up,dont you. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:22
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Then I assume you're not a Zappa fan either? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:22
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Joey Tempest? Is that Troy's brother? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:23
| Wasn't he in that Shakespeare play? |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:28
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oh dear god! WHY VAI? WHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYY? ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:29
* yes i know the irony in this, since i was the first guy to add a band that weren't prog but... shut up  ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:29
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This is the only Troy Tempest I know!
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:30
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since when is genesis prog? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:30
canned soup is more prog than those bands! (i bet it turns out there is an actual proggy band called canned soup now!) bah humbug! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: JCProg
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:31
The holy trinity of progressive rock. So, he fits right in. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:42
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Dear arcer, I disagree with your post because I think that Steve Vai is indeed a prog artist, not because he played with Zappa and Petrucci, but working with Zappa left a mark on his character and playing style. Zappa teached him the courage to express his every thought and idea through music. His albums contain very well composed and arranged rock songs with strong metal/jazz/fusion /experimental/even pop infuences. And that is why I`m so damn happy he has been finally added to bands list. Yours trully ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Shack Man
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:50
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! I agree 
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:34
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That's better! Now point me to an album of his that is 100% prog and I'll support you. BTW: Happy Birthday for tomorrow.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:38
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Vai is awesome, but not Prog. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:40
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steve vai makes children cry (rule #374 page 24 of Lidney... if it rhymes it must be true.) ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:41
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If you liked that, check out Flex-Able and Flex-Able Leftovers. Great music, great comedy. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:42
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Start
with his anthology "The infintive" and you should get the picture. Or
you can try "passion & warfare", "sex & religion", "flex-able"
or "reflections". Have fun. oh and thanks ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:49
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steve vai's name in the progarhcives section of the main site has been changed to "under evluation" (im not kidding about that typo). this is a first! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:54
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WHAT?? Why? Please God give me strenght.  ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:19
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Vai is certainly progressive, but that does not equal prog rock. I'll go back and relisten, but I don't think he's done anything that could be considered prog. Unlike Queen. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:41
Yeah whatever Cert! keep on bangin' that drum! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:41
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lets add michael angelo batio too! ------------- We want... a shrubbery! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:51
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:53
Who is this Michael Angelo person, Mike? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:03
Entirely not my cup of tea - this is what I would describe as "mindless shredding". His technique is flawless, but I can find nothing interesting in his songs. Listen to Vai's Flex-Able, or "Lucky Charms" - a difference like day and night. http://www.angelo.com - http://www.angelo.com http://www.angelo.com/No_Boundaries.mp3 - http://www.angelo.com/No_Boundaries.mp3
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:04
I will, until someone comes up with a good reason to the contrary. Which they haven't. The only reason so far is "I don't think Queen are prog so they can't be". How long did it take to come up with that one then? You're one of the worst culprits. What was your argument again. Oh yes. "No they're not". You shot me down, man...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:14
That wasn't my argument, that was just my reaction. I've been into Queen all my life and never ever thought of them as prog as such. I'm not going to define why their not, thats just the way I feel. The 70's were a great time, with music exploring in all sorts of ways and Queen certainly weren't part of the Prog scene then! Not to my recollection anyway. Furthermore you're overzealous overating of these albums just seems to me like you have something to prove! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:25
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It's not overzealous - I explain my ratings precisely and with factual detail that could be disagreed with. But no. The disagreements are "just my reaction", "never ever thought of them as prog as such", "thats just the way I feel". So what if you didn't think they were prog at the time? Now is not then, and prog is viewed very differently these days. Times change. "theatrical rock"??? You just made that up. Weren't Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP all theatrical? Let me think... Give me a hard one |
Posted By: Ruglish
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:30
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Queen are an interesting paradox -- all of their '70s (and some of the '80s + "Innuendo") albums contain geniune prog, but only about two or three songs out of 10. Queen II is probably the most proggy, with "The March of the Black Queen," "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" and "Ogre Battle" as highlights. But it also has whatever that Roger Taylor tune is in the middle. "Sheer Heart Attack" has "Brighton Rock" on it. "A Night at the Opera" -- "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "The Prophet's Song" and definitely prog; "Good Company," "I'm in Love With my Car," etc. most certainly are not. And it pretty much goes on like this: "Day at the Races" has proggy "Millionnaire's Waltz" but a bunch of other stuff that's not prog. "Jazz" has "Bicycle Race" and "Mustafa." Even the really awful and mostly not progressive "A Kind of Magic" has a respectable prog song in "Princes of the Universe." "Innuendo" -- their proggiest since "Queen II" has the title track, "Bijou," "The Hitman" and "All God's People." The lion's share of Queen's prog was written by Mercury; the remainder by May. If you put all of the songs I mentioned together, you get a really nice, long, intricate prog album. But Queen was always about variety of sounds. For me personally, the consistent presence of prog in Queen's body of work makes up for the occasional "I'm in Love with My Car" or "Pain is So Close to Pleasure." And if we're admitting Radiohead, for Christ's sakes, why not Queen? At least 20 percent of Queen's songs are genuine prog. Radiohead has, what, "Paranoid Android" and -- well, that's about it, isn't it?
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Posted By: bmorgan
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:07
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Steve Vai also played with Al di Meola.......wait a minute, Al's not on here. If Steve is, why not Al, huh? ------------- The universe is wider than our views of it. - Thoreau |
Posted By: Aerosol Grey
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:22
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Steve Vai has no appeal to anybody who does not play guitar, therefore he should not be included here. He gets enough worship on guitar technique websites. Cmon guys, lets get this sit back to its intended purpose which is getting prog-metal dorks to buy Magma and Gentle Giant albums. ------------- Prog is the new punk, becuase kids who shop at Hot Topic don't know Bill Bruford is God. |
Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:27
Ok I love steve vai more than life itself but I do agree with you. Put simply his music is only acsessable to musicians. As I said before he is my hero but he does not belong here. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 18:35
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Take the Queen discussion elsewhere guys. Or better yet, stop it. They're here to stay, deal with it. As for Vai, it's looking at the moment like we won't be keeping him much longer, so those of you upset with the current state of affairs need not worry. |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:00
Yah Because ripping off other musicians is so progresive ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: Revan
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:07
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I think he's prog enough...
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Posted By: herbie53
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:21
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Steve Vai is decidedly not prog! And he is not a Jazz Fusion Rock musician!!! Why is he in this site??? Only because put some stupid effects in his music??? Or because began his career with the Master FRANK ZAPPA ??? I hate masturbatory instrumentists, and for me Vai is the biggest one in this territory... The guy is a joke... anyone saw him in his last dvd, with a ventilator in the front of him, only for shake his horrible hair, full of a japanese cream for bad hair??? When he did came in Brazil for some shows with G3, he did made a scene, only because the production of the show did not find his japanese cream for bad hair... Don't make me laugh... this guy is a joke !!!
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Posted By: Lyzarrd
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:24
First off...let me add this. Al Di Meola needs to be in above all others.  Secondly, Vai is so close to being good enough and well-rounded enough to be in the archives however, he is holding hiself back. If the man would focus on writing and composing the way he does with his abilities instead of doing technical wank-off, speed-runs, than he could possibly be considered an all-time great. I don't understand how he can write absolutely beautiful, tear-jerking, genious pieces such as Tender Surrender and For the Love of God and yet completely destroy all that by doing rediculously stupid things such as The Audience is Listening. Honestly I think he is phenomenal and has great ability that he just doesn't put to full use. Its a real shame and I think that perhaps his music needs more time to mature in order to be considered for the archives. ------------- Can you tell me where my country lies... |
Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 19:26
| All he is doing with songs like the audience is listening is showing he has a sense of humor and I think he does a pretty good job at it! Music is about fun also. |
Posted By: con safo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:04
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I dont know how you CAN't call him prog! ../Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=8542" title="Go to Vai Steve under evaluation The Ultra Zone album review, Mp3, track listing - The Ultra Zone Studio Album 199 He's obviously very ahead of the times! on a serious note tho, i havent heard much by him and cant make any valid comments, instead i bring you this picture:  KILLER MULLET DUDE! ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:23
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[QUOTE=Certif1ed]
It's not overzealous - I explain my ratings precisely and with factual detail that could be disagreed with. Sorry, but its how I see it. You're review of ANATO, giving it 5 stars, and you're review of Queen II, talking about it as if it was some long lost prog masterpiece that you just rediscovered. But no. The disagreements are "just my reaction", "never ever thought of them as prog as such", "thats just the way I feel". " Just My reaction" is not a disagreement in this argument. Just an explanation for a previous post. The rest are my personal opinions. Ok, so its the way I feel, sometimes thats what you go on, like a detectives hunch! So what if you didn't think they were prog at the time? Now is not then, and prog is viewed very differently these days. Times change. Not just me, I don't think anyone considered them prog. Times do change I agree, which is why I said in a previous argument with you that I didn't consider Iron Maiden or Def Leppard Heavy Metal. By today's standards they're not! "theatrical rock"??? You just made that up. Of course I made it up! I'd hardly deny it. Journalists make things up all the time. I have heard them called something similar though. This is what happens when a band is difficult to catagorise. Weren't Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP all theatrical? Yes, but not in the same way I meant. Queen are a kind of Vaudeville act. Or were at least..............so some jopurnos said anyway! Let me think... Give me a hard one Sorry I'm not that way inclined! [/ QUOTE] We ain't gonna agree on this, thats obvious. You are always so convinced you are right for a start! I'll say this, Queen II is Proggy, but is it the genuine article? You are convinced it is, I have my doubts, but ANATO I really don't think is prog at all! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 20:48
Steve Vai @ ProgArchives ..?  Yabadabadou
but... I do like his discography, specially “Flex-Able”, “Sex &
Religion” (with Devin Townsend) and “Real Illusions: Reflections” with
some Progressive Metal drops, but IMO he isn’t a Prog-Rock guy…  |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:26
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ugh. please. not vai. He's technically brilliant, but I hate his style and he is not progressive. My friend is a huge fan of Vai and he made me watch this live DVD. it was awful. he's there on stage with a skin-tight shirt, glitter on his face and an industrial-strength fan on stage to blow his hair back while he plays so he can look cool. I like self-indulgent music, but please, lay off the glitter, man. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:41
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Adding Vai will just open the doors for other guitarists like Malmsteen and Satriani who aren't prog at all. By the same token Queen needs to get the boot as well, or we'll start adding every 70's classic rock band (just look at the people harping for Deep Purple now). ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: August 07 2005 at 23:43
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Posted By: LiquidSeBarrio
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 01:37
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GUYS! I´M HERE JUST TO SAY THAT VAI IS ONE OF THE BIG COMPOSERS IN THIS TIME. DID YOU HEAR ULTRA ZONE ? PASSION AND WARFARE?. YOU MUST HAVE THIS AWASOME ARTIST IN YOUR LIST. BECAUSE I DON´T SPEAK ENGLISH VERY WELL, I´LL PUT THIS IN SPANISH: Vai ha creado increíbles sonidos en su guitarra, ha explorado nuevos caminos y eso lo convierte, sin duda alguna, en un artista progresivo, porque despues de todo, a eso se le llama progresivo: El buscar nuevos horizontes y no limitarse a lo normal. A la vez, es muy virtuoso, PERO NO POR ESO DEJA DE SER PROGRESIVO, de lo contrario Yngwe Malmsteen se encontraría en esta pagina. PLEASE, KEEP VAI ON YOUR PAGE. CHEERS FROM BARILOCHE, PATAGONIA, ARGENTINA.
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Posted By: ScreminFlea
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 02:09
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Got this from the "Prog" definition on this very web site. "Progressive rock artists sought to move away from the limitations of radio formatted rock and pop, and "progress" rock to the point that it could achieve the sophistication of jazz or classical music. It is admired by its fans for its complexity, requiring a high level of musical virtuosity to perform. " I would say that encompasses Vai's work. He definately pushed the limits of the guitar as an instrument. While wild and unruly; there is definately an elevated level of sophistication to his playing, and I don't believe that anyone would argue that a "high level of musical virtuosity" is required to play it. Not just anyone can pick up a guitar and coax those sounds out of it. He's not my favorite axe master, not even close really, but I would have to say that his work does fit within the definition of "progressive" music, and therefore, appears to belong here as much as any other artist in that category. |
Posted By: ScreminFlea
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 02:19
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Incidentally, our friend LiquidSeBarrio was saying that Vai has created new sounds with his guitar, and explored new methods, and that, that fact "without a doubt" qualified him as a "progressive" He says Vai searches for new horizons and does not limit himself to the norm, and the fact that he is a virtuoso does not disqualify him as a progressive.
Loosly translated. I speak it a hell of a lot better than I read or write it lol. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 02:29
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As if Peter Gabriel never used make-up. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 03:27
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 04:49
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So
Vai is narcistic... BIG DEAL almost every virtuoso is. I don`t know how
you can pretend you can`t hear jazz/fusion/metal influenaces in his
music? His not just anothe guitar player like satriani, Malmsteen or
Impellitteri - now don`t get me wrong they are great musicians but
definetly NOT PROG. You can`t say that adding Vai means that every
guitar player can now be added. Petrucci`s album "Suspended Animation"
is great but not prog and I didn`t hear anyone complaining about adding
him to Prog Arch. Playing in a prog metal band doesn`t mean that
everything they do is prog! If yes we should add even Yellow Matter
Custard - project of Neal Morse and Mike Portnoy playing Beatels
covers. To me it`s obvious that Vai is a progressive artist and you
don`t have to be a musician to enjoy his music- I love his music and I
don`t even know how to hold guitar properly LEAVE VAI ALONE! BTW: Al DiMeola plays jazz. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: ScreminFlea
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 05:15
| Al Demiola can play just about anything actually. The man is amazing. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 05:21
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I agree but that doesn`t change the fact that he plays mainly jazz.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 05:51
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Posted By: dkearns
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 06:02
Does that mean that this non-musician has been deluding himself? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 06:29
Yeah... I didn't understand Chris' post either! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bmorgan
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 06:35
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If Steve Vai, then why not Buckethead!!!
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Posted By: Gatot
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 06:54
| Next will be: Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, Yngwie Malmsteen. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 07:30
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Yippeeeee ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 07:42
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Swiftly followed by Uli John Roth, no doubt... Then Michael Schenker and Bo Diddley. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 07:56
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I wouldn't have expected that much ignorance in a prog rock forum: Lucky Charms. 'nough said. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:20
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Maybe Yngwie Malmsteen deserved to be here before Vai... At least he wrote some symphonic rock... Vai's one and only credential to be at ProArchives is "former Frank Zappa guitarist". |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:27
PG used makeup/costumes for artistic purposes. Vai is just being lame and glittery for glitter's sake. PG came across as sort of an artsy weirdo (but lovable all the same), whereas Vai's style is more of "Hey! look at me! I can play guitar! look at my hair blowing in the breeze! aren't I pretty!" also, the Ibanez Jem (his signature guitar) is probably the ugliest friggin guitar I've ever seen. so unprog! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:32
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It's unreal - I have no idea why you guys are so sure that you're right. Preferring Malmsteen to Vai when it comes to Symphonic music ... that's one of the sickest statements I've ever read. But we don't have to agree - I know that I'm right and you're wrong (IMHO of course So excuse me while I'm listening to some fascinating music - have a look at Steve who makes a facial expression similiar to mine at this moment:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:34
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Posted By: Gedhead
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:53
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Vai has more reason to be here than that band whose name starts with Q. I don't have as much of a problem with this one. He did put some quality time in with Zappa and prog influences are definitely in his music. |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:55
^^EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! with his stupid sunglasses tucked neatly into his frilly shirt. and that damn ugly guitar. I dont think he got enough attention as a child. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 08:56
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That better?
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:02
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much. thanks. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:03
Great picture, MikeEnRegalia - but let me make something clear: I said that "at least Malmsteen wrote symphonic rock", but I didn't say that he wrote good symphonic rock! BTW, I think that Vai is a better guitarist and composer than Malmsteen (and singer too, but happily Malmsteen doesn't sings very often) - and I have more Vai CDs in my collection than Malmsteen. I must assume that you are a Zappa fan; if I'm right, could you recommend me a good Zappa CD featuring Vai (never listed to any, and I'm curious). |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:07
So that is your argument against Vai? Having a Frilly shirt and ugly guitar (?) doesn`t mean his music is not prog. ------------- http://www.lastfm.pl/user/tomash33 - Last.fm |
Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:09
All I was saying is that from my experience only people who play guitar find his music apealing. Whats not to understand about it? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:10
I'd recommend You Are What You Is and Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch. But you'll have a hard time recognizing Vai on those recordings, because he really just played what Zappa told him to. I'd recommend his album Flex-Able, it's very much influenced by his time as Zappa's guitarist. It features some songs that he often plays on tour even now, more than 20 years later: Call it Sleep and The Attitude Song. BTW: If you want to get to know Zappa, I'd strongly recommend buying live recordings or even better: Live DVDs. There's a nice Zappa DVD available on Ebay, it's called "The Torture Never Stops". It's an entire concert (about 2 hours) from 1981 featuring - among others - Steve Vai. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:12
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yea, I dont really mean hes not progressive, he probably is, and I like many metal-fusion guitarists. I just have a personal problem with Steve. he just annoys me. hes a great musician and all, his image problem just rubs me the wrong way I guess. Im not saying he shouldnt be included. Im just venting my frustrations. it also could be that I'm jealous. but probably not. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:15
I thought you were a bass player - if any, you might be jealous of Billy Sheehan (he has been touring with Steve for years). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:20
Thanks!! I will search for those albums. "The Torture Never Stops" - one of my favourite titles ever, I always use it when somebody plays awful music (there is a Brazilian musical style called "pagode" which is the best definiton to tortue). |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:25
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eh, I prefer stu hamm to sheehan, though he is really good. I just think maybe there are some people more deserving than Vai. Satriani is better than Vai IMO, and Buckethead is more progressive and original. I think a recent headline in The Onion summed Vai up nicely "STEVE VAI IMPRESSES THE HELL OUT OF NEIGHBORHOOD 12 YEAR OLDS" (I can't find a link sadly, they make you pay for it these days ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:30
Thats what I don't understasnd, it simply isn't true! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:31
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Joe Satriani never wrote music as complex, innovative and well-composed as Vai's Fire Garden suite, Lucky Charms, Bledsoe Blvd, etc. And his recent collaborations with orchestras (Fire Strings in Tokyo, Metropole Orkest) are entirely out of reach for Satriani. I like his music also, but IMO he lacks any progressive attitude. He is a perfect icon for the label "Shred". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:36
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Once agian I agree with everything Mike has been saying, this is becoming a habit! To me Satriani's music is far more "Straightforward" than Vai's. The Pupil has become greater than the Master! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:37
He has a point. I'd say that the basic (prog) music fan either likes virtuosity, or he doesn't. If he doesn't like it, it may cloud his judgement of what else the artist has to offer. The other way round, people who love virtuosity are influenced by that also - they might overrate the artist because his virtuosity might distract them from other qualities that are more important. I think that originality, emotionality and artistical integrity are the most important qualities of artists. Vai has all that AND the virtuosity, and that's why he's my favorite guitarist. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:40
I agree with you also - I guess the phrase that I highlighted is synonymous to "far less progressive". ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Chris88
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 09:55
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vais fire garden suite is based on the phrygian dominant scale and so is satrianis oriental melody then it moves to the phrygian scale then minor pentatonic. Not complex? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 10:00
I did say that I like Satch, and although I called him "Shred", he's far from being a "mindless shredder" like Michael Angelo Batio or Yngwie Malmsteen. I really love his ballads and acoustic songs, and laid back blues variations like the last track on The Extremist. You can't reduce the Fire Garden Suite to scales. Phrygian dominant is indeed a scale that's heavily used by Shredders in the Metal domain. Consider Lucky Charms, if the oriental influences distract you from the other means of symphonic composition. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: August 08 2005 at 10:00
emo shred? I think not, but other than that you hit the nail on the head ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |