Big Four - Some 86-87 stuff
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Topic: Big Four - Some 86-87 stuff
Posted By: genbanks
Subject: Big Four - Some 86-87 stuff
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 14:22
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I must admit that the Prog Hits poll motivated me to do this other poll, but in fact I think that years ago I did something like this (not the same). It's about which degree of appreciation we have about the modern prog attempts of the big bands on those years. I tried to take some "prog-tendence" pieces of those albums between 1986 - 1987, and these four ones are really stunning tracks for me.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 14:43
| I voted for a track from Big Generator (gasp). |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 14:54
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I don't know these. :( ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:15
| Sorrow is great. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:18
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Domino > Sorrow ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:26
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I rather be buried in rotted onions. But Sorrow if I must choose. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:44
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Domino. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 15:54
| Sorrow, I guess, though I'm not much of a fan of any of this songs. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 18:55
Domino---not Suppers Ready but not bad.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 19:12
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Sorrow has some great melodies drenched in a thick lugubrious atmosphere. How often can you use that word to describe a prog song? For that alone it gets my vote. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 19:38
| For me is Domino, but The Score is just almost at the same level, a stunning prog track. Sorrow is great too. The Yes pseudo prog songs from Big Generator are some stairs below but are good too. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 20:02
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Incomparable Pink Floyd ! Genesis - Domino: i coudn't enjoy it at all, though long ago i really tried to enjoy this quite pop side of it. Enjoyed Collins with a drum set, but Collins good voice wasn't enough for me to appreciate his last works in Genesis, which however fit perfectly for a Disco. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 20:17
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I know "Sorrow" is the best song, but I burned out on it. Maybe "Final Eyes"...but "The Score" grew on me after my initial dislike for it. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: March 18 2014 at 23:09
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I like them all, but Sorrow is the best for me. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 02:52
| Domino by some margin. The track on ELPowell's album that might have garnered some votes is The Miracle. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 03:48
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Sorrow is good but Domino is better. Don't like that Yes album at all. I recently got the ELPowell album (yep, 25 years late  ) and find it pretty lame to be honest.Voted Domino. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 03:58
| Domino, which is quite enjoyable |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 04:14
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Sorrow is the pick of the bunch with this lot. Domino is fine but very 'danceable'. The Score is O.K. (I used to like the E,L,Powell album but not much anymore) Final Eyes (same deal as above with Big Generator) |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 04:50
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Sorrow has a Gilmour in a great shape ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 05:01
| Sorrow but Domino is closely behind. 2 incredbile tracks |
Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 05:13
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Sorrow and Final Eyes. ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 07:00
-------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
MFP wrote:Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 09:27
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Sorrow, which I still think is one of the finest Floyd songs ever.
------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 09:43
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 19:09
Pink Floyd Sorrow------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 20:33
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Sorrow. And that isn't even the best song on the album. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 19 2014 at 21:04
It's a good album indeed. Voted for Sorrow of course. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 00:29
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Of couse , live versions of Sorrow are exceptional.......... Live versions of Domino are almost from the album verbatim....... Never heard live versions of the other 2 songs though. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 02:18
yet the live versions of Domino are much more powerful. Worth checking out the version from 'The Longs' ,turn the f**ker up loud and then watch your house shudder
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 04:55
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^ Yes, true. I have 'The Longs' on LP (and a long single LP at that) - it and Domino is more intense but what I meant is that there's no room to stretch the piece out like Sorrow. 'In The Glow Of The Night' is quite excellent. And I've always liked the lyrics - for instance, some lines like these: Take a look at the mountains, take a look at the beautiful river of blood. And this - The liquid surrounds me, I fight to rise from this river of hell, I stare round about me, children are swimming and playing with boats...... Excellent. Shame most of the remainder of Invisible Touch doesn't have as much impact.... |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 05:47
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 05:50
| Domino |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 07:49
Imposiible for me making a comparison like that... kind of nonsense comparing completely different styles even talking about live shows, btw i would like to know what Gilmour and Collins' music have in common. ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 08:41
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 08:48
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I like The Score. That's a real house shaker, but I'll go with Domino..The only really good track from IT. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:07
Don't see a remarkable difference from the rest of that album ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:39
Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline... IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable. |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:41
Evidently it is a subjective matter. For me tracks like Domino and Brazilian (both two mainly from Banks) makes a notable difference with the rest of the album and not only in musical terms. The concept of the track, the lyric, the storyline... IMO Domino and Sorrow are two songs perfectly comparable. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 09:49
Ouchh... Different minds, different subjective opinions, etc., i'd better go dancing some Genesis hit in a Disco, let's see if i change my mind then... ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 10:00
You don’t
need to change your mind. In my case I’m trying to be objective (of course
inside my subjectivity), and trying to not be blind by musical fan-tastes. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 12:01
Yeah i know that, i've got to regard that i'm a Floyd fan and also the fact that i don't know anything of dancing, never enjoyed to dance almost any kind of music. Regardless of who composed them, i consider these good examples of rather different styles of composition... ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 19:31
Well, that's ok, but to say that all the Genesis music in the 80's and 90's is dancing or disco is just an exaggeration out of reality. You know, once Voltaire said something like thist "I do not share your opinion but I would do anything for you can express freely" So that is, probably we could never agree at this point.
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 20 2014 at 20:45
Hey man, right on, briiliant Voltaire! Didn't know his phrase. Of course Genesis 80's and 90's are definitely not all just for that, what i wanted to mean is that even being composed by Banks i felt that song having a rather different style, but maybe you are right, i've got to download it and give it another spin in order to compare with my first impressions... ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 00:24
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Hey, just for the record - I recall seeing chicks dancing to Sorrow when I saw the AMLOR tour in '88. I even remember seeing chicks trying to get their dancing mojo on during a Sting concert. The song was St. Augustine In Hell, and it s in 7/8 time !!! Looked quite amusing..... But I can see how Domino (part II) could be considered 'disco'. The band Chicago had 'Street Player', which is a kick- ass tune, but quite 'disco'. Cool groove from the Cetera/Seraphine rhythm team too!!! |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 09:32
I don't think Banks thought let me do disco beat---I think there's a part of One for the Vine with a kind of 4 on the floor "disco" beat---which came years before Domino.
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 11:02
The best thing is that we agree about Voltaire words, the rest just a detail
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 11:05
Yes, Banks did disco beat, if not listen to The Fugitive for example, and of course you can find some disco beats into several tracks he wrote, but I am not agree with the idea that all that he did en the 80`s is disco music, just this...
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 12:35
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Domino ------------- |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 12:43
That's the point, agree with you, btw i've heard much about him in that Dolina's popular radio program, do you know it ? Well, it's not so popular... ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 13:07
| My vote goes to Sorrow. Easy one for me |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: March 21 2014 at 13:48
Same here. I know some people rate Sorrow pretty highly, but it's never done it for me. I prefer Dogs of War and One Slip, from that album.
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: March 22 2014 at 10:38
I know Dolina of course, but as I usually do not listen radio, I almost know nothing about this program, and less about its relation with Voltaire. In fact it results more interesting to me this Voltaire's phrase and maybe some thoughts of him than Voltaire himself. Well, I think that Dolina is popular in some spheres.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 22 2014 at 15:32
Me too. Though I would also add "In the Turning Away" and "Terminal Frost" (I hope I got the name right)... oh yeah, and "Yet Another Movie". Specially the live versions of Turning Away and Another Movie songs. |