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Topic: The Song that Screams Prog
Posted By: ebil0505
Subject: The Song that Screams Prog
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 13:33
In my experience with prog, short as it may be, I have found that some songs for me seemed to just scream "YOU ARE LISTENING TO PROG! THIS IS PURE PROG!" when I heard them for the first time. It happened when I heard:

Peaches en Regalia - Frank Zappa
Roundabout - Yes
Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part 1 - King Crimson

among others . . .

So I am merely curious to see if this is the same for others and what songs really spoke to them at first listen. Songs that didn't take multiple listens for you to realize that this is what helps define the genre we've come to love so much. Thoughts?

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 13:39
This was one of the first I brought home and it needed no effort or multiple spins to appreciate.  I was pretty much hooked from the start.  Song?  Any and all. 




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Posted By: Theriver
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 14:19
Close to the Edge. 


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 14:21
The ones that start off with a bewildering array of odd time sigs and strange note progressions. A perfect example would be "Enneagram" by Egg.  

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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 14:44
Anything by pre-Love Beach ELP.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 14:46
Prologue by Gentle Giant

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Posted By: calm_sea
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 15:00
Close to the Edge definitely. Tarkus also come to mind.


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 15:45
Any time I listen to Ayreon I get the immediate thought, "This is what people who aren't prog fans probably assume all prog sounds like!" And that's kind of a good and a bad thing.

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 15:54
The two suites on Triumvirat's Illusions On A Double Dimple album. When I first heard them, I knew I had found some of the real thing.


Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 16:04
Pink Floyd when I was 10 and ELP when I 17 I knew I stumbled on different back then

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 16:35
Rush~By Tor & The Snowdog...Xanadu...Cygnus X-1 Book II
Genesis~Suppers Ready
ELP~Tarkus



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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 17:13
For me it was ELP's The Three Fate. I was 13 at the time. A huge leap from Crimson and Clover and Spirit in the Sky which had occupied my ears previously.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 17:25
That's easy...first time I heard 21st Century Schizoid man in the spring of 1970.

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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 17:37
My first introduction to prog, as I suspect it was for many of my age, was Dark Side of the Moon. The tune that hooked me, however, was Supper's Ready.


Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 18:12

My top 3 favorite prog songs fit the bill perfectly on the front of both technical and expressive musicianship.

Starless - KC

A Louse is Not a Home - Peter Hammill

A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers - VDGG



Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 18:28
The Fountain of Salmacis
Tarkus
Larks' Tongues In Aspic (part 2)
Starship Trooper


Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 20:07
Hamburger Concerto
Starless
Wings For Marie/10,000 Days
Lizard
Cicatriz ESP
And the Stone Said: If I Could Speak


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 21:42
Ok. Cool thread.

From the classic era. Genesis's The Musical Box. Lots of transitions and the song is very theatrical. Everything that Prog rock typically embodies only done extremely well. :)

From a more modern era (21st century) I gotta go with Dream Theater's The Glass Prison. This song is insane and screams Prog at me every time I hear it. The time sigs are nuts and the song constantly changes is tone, tempo and overall mood by being heavy, melodic and downright fantastic. I've always felt that The Glass Prison is a wonderful representation of Prog music in general. It has just about anything you want in a song. I was truly blown away when I first heard it. I was like 'what the f-- ck is this??'



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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 21:45
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

The Fountain of Salmacis


Cool. Probably because of that wailing TRON at the beginning. So epic. :)

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 22:47
For me, the opening Mellotrons of "In The Court of the Crimson King" got me hooked, instantly!  1969 or 1970, I was about 13.   I dearly loved the entire album, but this track grabbed me.  Giles' drumming is sublime....




Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 23:06
Most ELP and King Crimson.

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 18 2014 at 23:57
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

This was one of the first I brought home and it needed no effort or multiple spins to appreciate.  I was pretty much hooked from the start.  Song?  Any and all. 



Not my introduction to Prog, which actually came from the radio, but probably the first truly Prog album I bought. Yeah, any and all. I listen to too much Prog to list all the songs that scream it to me.

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 01:55
In a Glass House (the track).  The first time I heard it I don't think I really understood much of what was going on.  


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 03:00


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 03:47
For me it was The Endless Enigma Part 1/Fugue/The Endless Enigma Part 2
 
And I think I'll spin it now...


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Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 06:18
Genesis = Foxtrot
Yes = Close To The Edge
VDGG = Pawn Hearts

they do SCREAM PROG!!!.

Forgotten

ELP there first three albums and I was hook on ELP. NOT LB

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 06:44
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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 06:57
"Watcher of the Skies." I even talk about this in my collab bio. A friend of mine played it and had me listen intently. It blew me away. Of course then I had to hear the rest of the album which led to "Supper's Ready." But it was the initial track that opened my eyes.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 09:11
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

For me, the opening Mellotrons of "In The Court of the Crimson King" got me hooked, instantly!  1969 or 1970, I was about 13.   I dearly loved the entire album, but this track grabbed me.  Giles' drumming is sublime....


I agree. I think hearing "In The Court of the Crimson King" for the first time, more so than "21st Century Schizoid Man", was one of my earliest prog moments. I say one, because I believe I got the same general feeling hearing the "Are You Sitting Comfortably/The Dream/Have You Heard/The Voyage" suite from The Moody Blues' On the Threshold of a Dream album, and also listening to Tull's Thick as a Brick for the first time.

Difficult to remember exactly, because I really got into the "prog sound" (a term which I never used or heard until years later) when I was 11 or 12 in 1971-72. There was a sensory overload of great albums at that time. You just turned on the radio and heard one great song after another.


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Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 09:16
Back in my formative years, Close to the Edge, Fragile, The Yes Album, Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Pictures at an Exhibition, Tarkus, and in the Court of the Crimson King were the essence of my being.

Come to think of it, they remain so today!


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 10:50
Hi,
 
I never looked at any music as "prog" or "progressive" and it actually confused me when I first saw that designation in the 1990's in the Fido boards and such. In many cases, it was not even an apt description at all.
 
At 63, I still don't listen to anything because it is something or other!


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 11:36
Thick as a Brick and A passion Play, Red and Lark's Tongue in Aspic, Trilogy and Tarkus, and quite a few others.


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 11:41


Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 14:09


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 15:09
A few not mentioned (unless I've missed them):

Lunar Sea
Midnight Mushrumps
Watcher of the Skies
Hocus Pocus
Free Hand

I could go on for ages.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 19:59
The Revealing Science of God and Supper's ReadyWink


Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 22:24
Genesis - The Waiting Room, Musical Box, Fountain of Salmacis
Frank Zappa - Inca Roads
Jade Warrior - Water Curtain Cave
King Crimson - Exiles


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 19 2014 at 23:18


" ...Hi! it's me...The girl from the bus...

Remember?
The last tour?
Well...

Information is
Not knowledge
Knowledge is
Not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best..."





Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 00:04
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

"Information is
Not knowledge
Knowledge is
Not wisdom
Wisdom is not truth
Truth is not beauty
Beauty is not love
Love is not music
Music is the best..."

I love that line


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 08:45
6 Prog screamers:

Pawn Hearts
21st century schizoid man,
Nine feet Underground
Karn Evil 9
Tab In the Ocean
2112


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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 09:08
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

A few not mentioned (unless I've missed them):
Lunar Sea
Midnight Mushrumps
Watcher of the Skies
Hocus Pocus
Free Hand
I could go on for ages.


Glad your back man. I also couldn't agree more. Watcher of the Skies with that classic TRON intro screams Prog massively.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 10:22
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
I never looked at any music as "prog" or "progressive" and it actually confused me when I first saw that designation in the 1990's in the Fido boards and such. In many cases, it was not even an apt description at all.
 
At 63, I still don't listen to anything because it is something or other!
 
LOL
I have to say you are consistent.
 
btw...I'm 63 also.....does that mean we get to join a specific club for old time prog fans?


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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 11:28
Moving forward a bit, I tended to not listen to much/any progressive music during the late 80's and throughout the 90's - opting instead for classical, jazz and blues. I happened, however, to pick up a 40th anniversary copy of In the Court of the Crimson King, and was completely blown away. Having listened to the album since the mid 70's, I was amazed at the clarity and detail brought out in this edition. 

To make a long story short I decided to checkout the fellow who mixed this disk, one Mr. Steven Wilson, and picked up PT's Sky Moves Sideways. Loved it - still do. It became the gateway drug for discovering lots of great music written over the past 20 years.

So, I guess I would have to also list Sky Moves Sideways as one of the pieces of music that screams prog to me.


Posted By: kingesis2
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 14:08
Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
Lemmings ( including cog )
Sectarian
Cygnus X-1
Sound Chaser
Fallen Angel
In The Dead Of Night


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 20 2014 at 15:56
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

A few not mentioned (unless I've missed them):
Lunar Sea
Midnight Mushrumps
Watcher of the Skies
Hocus Pocus
Free Hand
I could go on for ages.


Glad your back man. 

Thank you, Sir.

I was going to go into politics (I was offered a chance to stand as an MP) but I decided not to as I really didn't want to spend time in London away from my adopted Yorkshire home.

Hence I'm back. Which will p**s a few people off, but most have been very welcoming.


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 08:07



"... She takes the taxi to the good hotel
Bon march as far as she can tell
She drinks the zombie from the cocoa shell
She feels alright, she get it on tonight yeah

Mister driver
Take me where the music play
Papa say

"Oh haa, no hesitation
No tears and no hearts breakin
No remorse
Oh haa, congratulations
This is your Haitian Divorce" ...



Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 10:02
Lady Fantasy


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 10:52


Posted By: Kobaek
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 13:30
Thick as a Brick (the parody of prog, ironically)
A Passion Play
A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers
The four parts of Theory of Everything


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 16:55


Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 20:31
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

"Fencewalk"
??????


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 21 2014 at 20:55
He likes posting bands he likes. 

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 03:20
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

"Fencewalk"
??????

I love JR/F and, consenquently, MANDRILL -  the legendary band which is already in Prog Archives.
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Fancewalk is a great tune IMO.





Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 03:32
Etida by KORNI GRUPA (Belgrade, ex-Yugoslavia) ought to be mentioned in this thread as an amazing prog song which structure is based on Classical music.









Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 04:39
heard one today again.... Take A Pebble -ELP
 thars prog


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 04:49
In the spring of 1970, when I was 10, this was the first think I heard that hinted ME in the direction of prog:



March 1971: A single edit of a 10-minute track:



June 1972: The album that definitely got me into prog:
Relics - Pink Floyd

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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 05:24
Jersusalem from Brain Salad Surgery for me was a formative experience (I guess I was about 15) when a school buddy lent the album to me. Not sure I liked it first time, found it a bit unnerving and difficult to follow but a tiny door in my ripening psyche was forever jimmied ajar that fateful day.  There was no shoulder angel in my ear whispering this is Prog!, just a realisation that things would never be quite the same again. This was patently not Mud, T Rex, Status Quo, Free or even the Faces?Shocked Forever hence, I've always been haunted by the idea that Blake's dark satanic mills just might actually be referencing organised religion rather than the iniquities of the nascent industrial revolution?


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 05:43


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 17:56
Steely Dan's Haitian Divorce screams prog...?  Seriously...?
 
LOL


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 20:02
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan's Haitian Divorce screams prog...?  Seriously...?
 
LOL

I thought that was very odd too. He made a better call with Aja which is one of the only properly prog SD songs. But still, I wouldn't say that even screams prog.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 20:15
Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamond, Parts 1 & 2 screams prog.

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Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 20:43
My definition of "screaming prog" - if I would feel a bit hesitant to play it for a girl I didn't know too well on a first date, it is probably screaming prog.

ex. Fountain of Salmacis, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, The Cinema Show, The Musical Box (all Genesis). BTW - I think Supper's Ready is overrated :)  All great, classic songs, but maybe I'd wait for the 2nd or 3rd date...

Happy the Man screams prog (ex. Upon the Rainbow) and Gentle Giant

Neither KC nor Pink Floyd scream prog to me. Great music, but "scream" means, like, totally in your face, undiluted, unabashed, and just a wee bit nuts. 

I would probably not play "Squirrel" by Anthony Phillips to a girl on a first date either.

But now - I don't think the poster was asking for favorites necessarily - just prog that screams prog. For me, whether it screams or not is not as important as other factors. 

aldri7



Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 20:50
Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

BTW - I think Supper's Ready is overrated

I don't think Supper's Ready is overrated at all. If anything, the direction Genesis took after Hackett left is what should be counted as overrated. I do like some of ...And Then There Were Three and even Duke, but it always felt like when Hackett left he took the soul of the band with him.


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Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 21:09
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

BTW - I think Supper's Ready is overrated

I don't think Supper's Ready is overrated at all. If anything, the direction Genesis took after Hackett left is what should be counted as overrated. I do like some of ...And Then There Were Three and even Duke, but it always felt like when Hackett left he took the soul of the band with him.

I know there is disagreement on my opinion. I think the opening five minutes of "Supper's Ready" is a masterpiece of prog. But I've never felt that the remaining 17 minutes hold up all that well.

aldri7


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 21:37
Believe it or not, probably "Benedictus" by Strawbs in late 1974.  It was different from anything on the pop charts I'd been listening to.  I didn't know what to make of it - accessible but too reverent to be ordinary pop or rock.  After that, probably In the Court of the Crimson King, since I still remember first hearing it and having my brother identify it for me.  This was pure adventure, like a scary movie (which I was into) in musical form  


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 22:07
Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

BTW - I think Supper's Ready is overrated

I don't think Supper's Ready is overrated at all. If anything, the direction Genesis took after Hackett left is what should be counted as overrated. I do like some of ...And Then There Were Three and even Duke, but it always felt like when Hackett left he took the soul of the band with him.

I know there is disagreement on my opinion. I think the opening five minutes of "Supper's Ready" is a masterpiece of prog. But I've never felt that the remaining 17 minutes hold up all that well.

aldri7

Apocalypse In 9/8 was brilliant, but, oh well, you're certainly in the minority with this opinion.


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Posted By: abacab2123
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 22:12
I couldn't have gone straight to Prog.  Had to go there in small steps. In a rather roundabout way...

Early Beatles leads to Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds.
LITSWD....leads to the Tommy Overture.
Tommy leads to ELP and love for keyboards...but I wouldn't have considered anything up to that point Prog.  Symphonic rock perhaps. 

...and then then, in an act repeated by so many college roommates, mine introduced me to a gateway drug: Dance on a Volcano.   1,1 2,2 1,1 2,2 1,1 2,2 1,2,3,4!!!!

And that lead to Supper's Ready......then and only then, did I know I was fully in the jaws of Prog.....and the monkey has been on my back ever since.....





Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 22:34
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

BTW - I think Supper's Ready is overrated

I don't think Supper's Ready is overrated at all. If anything, the direction Genesis took after Hackett left is what should be counted as overrated. I do like some of ...And Then There Were Three and even Duke, but it always felt like when Hackett left he took the soul of the band with him.

I know there is disagreement on my opinion. I think the opening five minutes of "Supper's Ready" is a masterpiece of prog. But I've never felt that the remaining 17 minutes hold up all that well.

aldri7

Apocalypse In 9/8 was brilliant, but, oh well, you're certainly in the minority with this opinion.

I got to thinking why I have this opinion. I became acquainted with Genesis in somewhat reverse order, and didn't listen to Foxtrot until well after I had heard the other albums. And so when I first heard Supper's Ready, I felt like much of it I had already heard before. That it was derivative in other words. But of course, "derivative" depends on the chronology of your listening.

NIce meter there, but I would still probably have to reprogram my brain before changing my opinion..:)

aldri7




Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 22:49
Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

I got to thinking why I have this opinion. I became acquainted with Genesis in somewhat reverse order, and didn't listen to Foxtrot until well after I had heard the other albums. And so when I first heard Supper's Ready, I felt like much of it I had already heard before. That it was derivative in other words. But of course, "derivative" depends on the chronology of your listening.

NIce meter there, but I would still probably have to reprogram my brain before changing my opinion..:)

aldri7



One thing to keep in mind when you listen to Foxtrot is the year it was recorded: 1972. This was an outstanding album for that year and I think it still holds up well because of the solid musicianship, craftsmanship, the emotional directness, and just for offering the listener a plethora of sounds and styles while still retaining those now, and often imitated, Genesis trademarks. This is a band that, while having some incredibly gifted musicians, was more interested in writing songs. Some of them were short, some of them were long, but nobody has come close to matching this band's ingenuity for me. Granted, I love Pink Floyd and Yes a lot as well, but Genesis will always be my ultimate prog band. 


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 22:55
Another song that just screams prog to me: The Gates of Delirium by Yes.

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Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 23:50
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

I got to thinking why I have this opinion. I became acquainted with Genesis in somewhat reverse order, and didn't listen to Foxtrot until well after I had heard the other albums. And so when I first heard Supper's Ready, I felt like much of it I had already heard before. That it was derivative in other words. But of course, "derivative" depends on the chronology of your listening.

NIce meter there, but I would still probably have to reprogram my brain before changing my opinion..:)

aldri7



One thing to keep in mind when you listen to Foxtrot is the year it was recorded: 1972. This was an outstanding album for that year and I think it still holds up well because of the solid musicianship, craftsmanship, the emotional directness, and just for offering the listener a plethora of sounds and styles while still retaining those now, and often imitated, Genesis trademarks. This is a band that, while having some incredibly gifted musicians, was more interested in writing songs. Some of them were short, some of them were long, but nobody has come close to matching this band's ingenuity for me. Granted, I love Pink Floyd and Yes a lot as well, but Genesis will always be my ultimate prog band. 

getting off topic a bit here - sorry - I'll try to wrap it up...

I got to thinking about posing this question in the forum - at one point (exactly where in a particular song or album) did the words "genius" or "musical genius" first cross your lips while listening to a particular band that you now love for the first time. This point BTW is often accompanied by the first appearance of goose bumps to the flesh...

Since Nursery Cryme was my first Genesis album, I have to look to that album to find that particular point. It occured in perhaps an unlikely spot - during the song "Harold the Barrel" (not otherwise one of my favorite tunes on that album). But I think the goose bumps and the words "genius" first crossed my lips when Gabriel interjected mid song with the slow passage  "If I was many miles from here..."  It was so unexpected and so beautiful that from then on, I was totally hooked. 

Maybe one could come up with a name to describe that point when you become totally hooked and declare that what you have just heard/experienced is the work of a genius. 

aldri7





Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 22 2014 at 23:53
Tom Sawyer by Rush

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 00:19
Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:


getting off topic a bit here - sorry - I'll try to wrap it up...

I got to thinking about posing this question in the forum - at one point (exactly where in a particular song or album) did the words "genius" or "musical genius" first cross your lips while listening to a particular band that you now love for the first time. This point BTW is often accompanied by the first appearance of goose bumps to the flesh...

Since Nursery Cryme was my first Genesis album, I have to look to that album to find that particular point. It occured in perhaps an unlikely spot - during the song "Harold the Barrel" (not otherwise one of my favorite tunes on that album). But I think the goose bumps and the words "genius" first crossed my lips when Gabriel interjected mid song with the slow passage  "If I was many miles from here..."  It was so unexpected and so beautiful that from then on, I was totally hooked. 

Maybe one could come up with a name to describe that point when you become totally hooked and declare that what you have just heard/experienced is the work of a genius. 

aldri7




Thanks for this memory. I'll be honest with you and say I couldn't even remember the first time I got goosebumps and thought 'genius' when I first heard Genesis. The reason I can't remember is because there are an inordinate amount of times that this has happened. One of my recent 'wow moments'  came from the song The Colony of Slippermen from The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I don't think I've ever paid much attention to this song (for whatever reason) and it just hit me a few days ago. I've had many moments like this whilst listening to The Lamb because there's just so much music there and this album just took quite some time for it start sinking in, but when it did, it did in a huge way. Since you mention Nursery Cryme (a personal favorite of mine), I have fallen for Harlequin quite recently (thanks in large part to the excellent remix done by Nick Davis as Nursery Cryme has always had lower production values), but this is another piece where I just never really thought too much about it, but it just hit in a beautiful way. It's only 2 and half minutes long or so, but it seems to get completely under my skin and crawl into my heart. Normally, these kinds of Genesis songs don't do much for me, but I've been noticing how I've grown fond of them all of these years later. They'll never be what The Musical Box is for me for example, but it's nice to experience this different side of the band.  


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 02:50


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 03:05
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Steely Dan's Haitian Divorce screams prog...?  Seriously...?
 
LOL

I thought that was very odd too. He made a better call with Aja which is one of the only properly prog SD songs. But still, I wouldn't say that even screams prog.

This one also is to scream prog to me. 





Oh, I had forgotten that the Steely Dan was not  a part of British progressive rock  movement (scene) Wacko


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 05:52


Dreaming of all the big things, 
But can't you see it,
You have to be asleep to believe it,
Feeling, feeling so small,
Looking at stars,
Waiting for them to fall

If you had one moment,
Moment to love, moment to breathe,
How would you live it?
See the world,
Drown in the sea of tears,
Feel the pain,
Caused by the deepest fears,
If you had one moment,
moment to bleed, moment to give,
how would you live it?

Stay alive, in black and white,
But try to feel the light,
Seeing colors feeding your eyesight,
Get out, join the life,
Don't try to hide inside,
Dark side of your restless mind "


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 06:02
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:





Good call!

For me - the first time my future brother in law played me Genesis Live in the mid 1970's; Watcher Of The Skies...

...you just knew you were listening to something special!

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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 11:37
In the Court Of the Crimson KIng gave me that impression. Gypsy by The Moody Blues and Music From the Body by Roger Waters and Ron Geesin.....and plenty of Ron Geesin right through and beyond that. People today don't seem to have much apathy for that kind of music


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 12:17


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 17:15
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Believe it or not, probably "Benedictus" by Strawbs in late 1974.  It was different from anything on the pop charts I'd been listening to.  I didn't know what to make of it - accessible but too reverent to be ordinary pop or rock.  

What an inspired choice. Benedictus is indeed one of the most inspirational prog tracks ever, but it was actually released well before 1974 - 1971 as a single, I think, though Grave New World was released in 1972.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 20:29
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Believe it or not, probably "Benedictus" by Strawbs in late 1974.  It was different from anything on the pop charts I'd been listening to.  I didn't know what to make of it - accessible but too reverent to be ordinary pop or rock.  

What an inspired choice. Benedictus is indeed one of the most inspirational prog tracks ever, but it was actually released well before 1974 - 1971 as a single, I think, though Grave New World was released in 1972.

thanks much.  Yes it was from an earlier time but I didn't discover it till 1974, when  few months earlier I had been content wityh Paul Anka's "Having my Baby"!  Big changes  Wink


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 20:34
Anything with Mike Patton and John Zorn... Tongue

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 21:11
Steve Hackett's The Shadow of the Hierophant.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 22:39


This is a progressive rock band from the former Yugoslavia, formed 1971 in Zagreb

After leaving the KORNI GRUPA, the singer and bass & acoustic guitar player Dado Topić, together with the producer Vladimir Mihaljek,  formed a band callled TIMEThe debut full-lenght album was released 1972. In 1975, the band relesaed Time IIand Life In A Boot With A High Heel in 1976. 
After countless gigs and a number of participations at various festivals in 70s Yugoslavia, Dado Topić dismissed TIME in 1977.

This is the song Divlje Guske (engl. "Wild Geese") from their second album and my favourite song by TIME.








KORNI GRUPA's Prvo svetlo u kući broj 4 ( engl. "First light in house No.4"). Above video is studio version of the song actually, so that live footage is a decor.


Also known as the Kornelyans and formed in 1968, Belgrade's KORNI GRUPA was one of the first Yugoslav progressive rock bands, and also the first "supergroup" in Tito's Yugoslavia.


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 05:45
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


Oh, I had forgotten that the Steely Dan was not  a part of British progressive rock  movement (scene) Wacko

That's got nothing to do with it.



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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 06:10
^ Steely Dan are in Prog Archives. So, at this site SD are prog without a question. Is SD's song(s) screaming proggy? That's actually a subjective thing. Consenquently, here's West of Hollywood as proggy "scream" as well.




Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 06:32
^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 10:41
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.

Jazzrock is also prog. Do you know this one:



Well, if this is not proggy screaming track, then I confess to almighty Prog Gods that I don't know what prog is.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 11:08
Correct they don't sound like Prog. 

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 11:33
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Correct they don't sound like Prog. 

Are you almighty Prog God? Oh,  I confess my sins regarding jazzrock.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 11:42
I'm glad you've realized your error. 

I'm sorry but to think that West of Hollywood screams prog is just simply wrong, Sounds like typical blues in a muzak style. Nothing about that song is progressive, let alone prog. 
Regardless of SD being on this site, their music doesn't evoke prog, and just because they're on here doesn't mean i'm wrong. I could post a Solo Robert Plant song or maybe some material from Hazards Of Love, but they still wouldn't make sense for this thread. 


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 12:11
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

I'm glad you've realized your error. 

I'm sorry but to think that West of Hollywood screams prog is just simply wrong, Sounds like typical blues in a muzak style. Nothing about that song is progressive, let alone prog. 
Regardless of SD being on this site, their music doesn't evoke prog, and just because they're on here doesn't mean i'm wrong. I could post a Solo Robert Plant song or maybe some material from Hazards Of Love, but they still wouldn't make sense for this thread. 

LOL I'm an atheist actually who don't believe in Prog Gods. So Jazzrock is screaming proggy extremly well to me.


 


 




Posted By: aldri7
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 12:46
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.

Jazzrock is also prog. Do you know this one:



Well, if this is not proggy screaming track, then I confess to almighty Prog Gods that I don't know what prog is.

If this screams prog, then maybe its  atonality that you are confusing with or using to define prog?

Not to sound like a screaming Prog God, which I confess to not being, but I think you have some listening to do. Consider the bands that are considered here to be the most authentically prog bands - Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Echolyn, Gentle Giant, etc. Listen to them. Now listen to that track you posted again..

I love jazzrock, but its kinda funny as I am reading this thread how little so many people's idea of what is screaming prog resembles my idea. I would expect this somewhat, but I'll try to remember this the next time i am in a group of people and I try to tell them how much I like prog. The resulting aural images that they conjure up, and the way they that contort their faces in response to what I have just said - well, I cannot have any control over that..:(

My sister once tried to describe to me what to her was this awful music that she heard once in an office. She was actually describing jazzrock, or fusion, but her description was hilarious. Anyway, prog is similarly something you can't really describe in words, you can only listen to it and compare.  But thats what so great about the internet and prgarchives.com - ANYONE can now become a Prog God if they have a little time on their hands!!

aldri7




Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:12
Woot woot - a bit of Svetonio confusion again!!

Ermm


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:16
I think someone is confusing tracks that he loves with tracks that best represent Prog. 
Personally I'd go for something like Fracture by KC or maybe this one by Le Orme:



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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:23
Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.

Jazzrock is also prog. Do you know this one:



Well, if this is not proggy screaming track, then I confess to almighty Prog Gods that I don't know what prog is.

If this screams prog, then maybe its  atonality that you are confusing with or using to define prog?

Not to sound like a screaming Prog God, which I confess to not being, but I think you have some listening to do. Consider the bands that are considered here to be the most authentically prog bands - Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Echolyn, Gentle Giant, etc. Listen to them. Now listen to that track you posted again..

I love jazzrock, but its kinda funny as I am reading this thread how little so many people's idea of what is screaming prog resembles my idea. I would expect this somewhat, but I'll try to remember this the next time i am in a group of people and I try to tell them how much I like prog. The resulting aural images that they conjure up, and the way they that contort their faces in response to what I have just said - well, I cannot have any control over that..:(

My sister once tried to describe to me what to her was this awful music that she heard once in an office. She was actually describing jazzrock, or fusion, but her description was hilarious. Anyway, prog is similarly something you can't really describe in words, you can only listen to it and compare.  But thats what so great about the internet and prgarchives.com - ANYONE can now become a Prog God if they have a little time on their hands!!

aldri7











Quote Line-up / Musicians

Colin Hodgkinson - Basses, Guitars, Vocals
Ron Aspery - Sax, E-Piano, Piano, Organ, Mellotron
Adrian Tilbrook - Drums, Percussion
Produced by Carl Palmer

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5095#discography" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5095#discography





Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:32
As always you completely fail to understand what is being saidConfused

So this is 'the song that screams prog'.........by association? Wow....


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:57
Another thread ruined.

Though this quickly went from sad to hilarious from the complete lack of disconnect. 


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 13:59
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.

Jazzrock is also prog. Do you know this one:


Well, if this is not proggy screaming track, then I confess to almighty Prog Gods that I don't know what prog is.
I would say that's definitely a jazzy screaming track.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 24 2014 at 14:00
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by aldri7 aldri7 wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

^ Whatever floats ya boat. To me, very little of their stuff comes off as prog.

Jazzrock is also prog. Do you know this one:



Well, if this is not proggy screaming track, then I confess to almighty Prog Gods that I don't know what prog is.

If this screams prog, then maybe its  atonality that you are confusing with or using to define prog?

Not to sound like a screaming Prog God, which I confess to not being, but I think you have some listening to do. Consider the bands that are considered here to be the most authentically prog bands - Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, ELP, Echolyn, Gentle Giant, etc. Listen to them. Now listen to that track you posted again..

I love jazzrock, but its kinda funny as I am reading this thread how little so many people's idea of what is screaming prog resembles my idea. I would expect this somewhat, but I'll try to remember this the next time i am in a group of people and I try to tell them how much I like prog. The resulting aural images that they conjure up, and the way they that contort their faces in response to what I have just said - well, I cannot have any control over that..:(

My sister once tried to describe to me what to her was this awful music that she heard once in an office. She was actually describing jazzrock, or fusion, but her description was hilarious. Anyway, prog is similarly something you can't really describe in words, you can only listen to it and compare.  But thats what so great about the internet and prgarchives.com - ANYONE can now become a Prog God if they have a little time on their hands!!

aldri7




Quote Line-up / Musicians

Colin Hodgkinson - Basses, Guitars, Vocals
Ron Aspery - Sax, E-Piano, Piano, Organ, Mellotron
Adrian Tilbrook - Drums, Percussion
Produced by Carl Palmer

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5095#discography" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5095#discography


So if Carl Palmer produced an album by Peters and Lee, they would qualify as prog then?




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