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Topic: Dark Side of the Moon
Posted By: Spiritinthesky
Subject: Dark Side of the Moon
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:33
28th June 1997, The classic Pink Floyd album 'Dark Side of the Moon' spent its 1056th week on the US album chart. It was rumoured at the time that if the album was played while watching The Wizard of Oz movie, and started exactly when the MGM lion roared the third time during the movie's intro, very interesting connections could be made between the two. Ever tried this? 

More here : http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisdayinmusic.com%2Fpages%2Fthe_dark_side_of_the_moon&h=NAQGM1qs9&enc=AZORW6fVwaJ6k2lkPI6-dYXDqCyoPomzv-u48fG39Kfg5nWL_vTAtsRFnXfav-Jrrh-vY115gF5O2-twYwWQcg5a9JAGGkRgTG8rQV9fnDHneaBUjiZRhzrfH3g1n0IkwcimWUIm3UT-Ncqref-Z03Vi&s=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/pages/the_dark_side_of_the_moon


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:34
Sleepy


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:35
I've seen it once years ago (but your link is broken). Personally I haven't found anything special.

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 01:47
Has anyone ever noticed that no matter what time you start the album DSOTM, it will end approximately 43 minutes later.  Bizarre.  Shocked

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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 02:58
I believe that you will find it in YouTube already combined, I never cared to watch it entirely, in the sections I watched I didn't notice any of the allegued "coincidences", it's b*sh*t.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 03:01
I gave up drugs when the doctor told me I had six months to live........


Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 03:09
Such an original thread that's already taught me so many things I didn't already know!

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 03:24
There is a first time for everything and everything is new to somebody once.

I've never been convinced by the Oz theory - there are a couple of moments of synchronicity but that's purely co-incidence and could happen with practically any album and any piece of film if you time it right.


My first experience of Dark Side of the Moon was watching Floyd play it at the Wembley Empire Pool in October 1972 with my girlfriend Susan and my best mate Mike.

On the day the album was released I rushed to the local record store just as it opened for the morning, the owner hadn't un-boxed the day's deliveries yet but on noticing my impatience allowed me to unpack boxes to get my paws on the record for the first time. I handed over my £2.50 and left the shop a very happy boy.

Everything about the album blew me away, the music, the songs, the concept, the sound effects, the playing, the cover, the posters, the stickers... from removing cellophane wrapper (carefully keeping the circular sticker intact) to the last heart-beat ... everything. It also brought me to the realisation that our family "music centre" wasn't good enough to fully appreciate the sonic marvels of this recording and set me off building a hi-fi of my own to play it on.

I even got my mum to knit me a DSotM woollen jacket:

Forty one years later the album is still fresh and vibrant to me, last week I bought the 40th anniversary re-issue of the vinyl and the buzz of removing the cellophane from that to access the disc, posters and stickers invoked a wave of nostalgia that I hadn't experienced before - memories of the concert in London, of the little record store in Bedford and of me convincing my mum that she could make the jacket without a pattern. I haven't actually played it yet - I'm waiting to complete the re-build of my 1973 turntable that I started a few months back so I can re-live the experience all over again.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 03:31
You lucky guy...in October 1972 I didn't own a turntable and my only sources of music were the Italian national radio and my just purchased acoustic guitar.  

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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 05:16
Great post Dean.  A good reminder for grizzled veterans to remember, that new members be encouraged. 

The album is amazing to me still, as are several of the earlier ones. I would have loved to see your Mum's expression as you built your case for that awesome jacket.  What a wonderful item.  Hope you get to pull it out of the closet and give it to a grandkid someday.   :-)


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 08:05
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I gave up drugs when the doctor told me I had six months to live........


I took up drugs when my doctor suggested I should try and have more fun...




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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 09:01
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There is a first time for everything and everything is new to somebody once.

I've never been convinced by the Oz theory - there are a couple of moments of synchronicity but that's purely co-incidence and could happen with practically any album and any piece of film if you time it right.


My first experience of Dark Side of the Moon was watching Floyd play it at the Wembley Empire Pool in October 1972 with my girlfriend Susan and my best mate Mike.

On the day the album was released I rushed to the local record store just as it opened for the morning, the owner hadn't un-boxed the day's deliveries yet but on noticing my impatience allowed me to unpack boxes to get my paws on the record for the first time. I handed over my £2.50 and left the shop a very happy boy.

Everything about the album blew me away, the music, the songs, the concept, the sound effects, the playing, the cover, the posters, the stickers... from removing cellophane wrapper (carefully keeping the circular sticker intact) to the last heart-beat ... everything. It also brought me to the realisation that our family "music centre" wasn't good enough to fully appreciate the sonic marvels of this recording and set me off building a hi-fi of my own to play it on.

I even got my mum to knit me a DSotM woollen jacket:

Forty one years later the album is still fresh and vibrant to me, last week I bought the 40th anniversary re-issue of the vinyl and the buzz of removing the cellophane from that to access the disc, posters and stickers invoked a wave of nostalgia that I hadn't experienced before - memories of the concert in London, of the little record store in Bedford and of me convincing my mum that she could make the jacket without a pattern. I haven't actually played it yet - I'm waiting to complete the re-build of my 1973 turntable that I started a few months back so I can re-live the experience all over again.


Awww! That jacket. Heart


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 09:35
Originally posted by Spiritinthesky Spiritinthesky wrote:

28th June 1997, The classic Pink Floyd album 'Dark Side of the Moon' spent its 1056th week on the US album chart. It was rumoured at the time that if the album was played while watching The Wizard of Oz movie, and started exactly when the MGM lion roared the third time during the movie's intro, very interesting connections could be made between the two. Ever tried this? 

More here : http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thisdayinmusic.com%2Fpages%2Fthe_dark_side_of_the_moon&h=NAQGM1qs9&enc=AZORW6fVwaJ6k2lkPI6-dYXDqCyoPomzv-u48fG39Kfg5nWL_vTAtsRFnXfav-Jrrh-vY115gF5O2-twYwWQcg5a9JAGGkRgTG8rQV9fnDHneaBUjiZRhzrfH3g1n0IkwcimWUIm3UT-Ncqref-Z03Vi&s=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/pages/the_dark_side_of_the_moon

I've always wondered, what happens when the album finishes? Do you turn it over and start again?


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 09:36
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I believe that you will find it in YouTube already combined, I never cared to watch it entirely, in the sections I watched I didn't notice any of the allegued "coincidences", it's b*sh*t.




Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 10:36
Yes!!! Yes!! Yes!! Dean you are the man!
I only now read through this thread and that was just a marvelous read. Thanks.

I have purchased Dark Side 5 times now, because it keeps getting stolen or mysteriously 'lost', so I can definitely relate to the backdraft of nostalgia every time I've sat down in front of my stereo to unwrap the cellophane

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 10:44
Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There is a first time for everything and everything is new to somebody once.
I've never been convinced by the Oz theory - there are a couple of moments of synchronicity but that's purely co-incidence and could happen with practically any album and any piece of film if you time it right.
My first experience of Dark Side of the Moon was watching Floyd play it at the Wembley Empire Pool in October 1972 with my girlfriend Susan and my best mate Mike.
On the day the album was released I rushed to the local record store just as it opened for the morning, the owner hadn't un-boxed the day's deliveries yet but on noticing my impatience allowed me to unpack boxes to get my paws on the record for the first time. I handed over my £2.50 and left the shop a very happy boy.
Everything about the album blew me away, the music, the songs, the concept, the sound effects, the playing, the cover, the posters, the stickers... from removing cellophane wrapper (carefully keeping the circular sticker intact) to the last heart-beat ... everything. It also brought me to the realisation that our family "music centre" wasn't good enough to fully appreciate the sonic marvels of this recording and set me off building a hi-fi of my own to play it on.
I even got my mum to knit me a DSotM woollen jacket:
Forty one years later the album is still fresh and vibrant to me, last week I bought the 40th anniversary re-issue of the vinyl and the buzz of removing the cellophane from that to access the disc, posters and stickers invoked a wave of nostalgia that I hadn't experienced before - memories of the concert in London, of the little record store in Bedford and of me convincing my mum that she could make the jacket without a pattern. I haven't actually played it yet - I'm waiting to complete the re-build of my 1973 turntable that I started a few months back so I can re-live the experience all over again.
Awww! That jacket. Heart

Thanks for sharing that, Dean!


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 10:52
One thing though, and this is a thing that irks me a bit. The 2003 5.1 SACD Remaster edition I currently have (I'm not expecting to own this by the end of the year. That would mean owning a copy for more than 10 years!) use a blue/purple colour on the front cover where there normally is all black. It is rather beautifully done, but it changes the way I look at it. I prefer not to look at it while I spin it tbh.
Oh and I only have a stereo set-up, so I can't enjoy the 5.1 mix. Am I missing something? It sounds absolutely stunning coming out of my old school Dali speakers, which are made of granite if I'm not entirely mistaken. Damn those things are heavy.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 11:40
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

One thing though, and this is a thing that irks me a bit. The 2003 5.1 SACD Remaster edition I currently have (I'm not expecting to own this by the end of the year. That would mean owning a copy for more than 10 years!) use a blue/purple colour on the front cover where there normally is all black. It is rather beautifully done, but it changes the way I look at it. I prefer not to look at it while I spin it tbh.
I know what you mean - it's probably a very nice piece of stained glass and no doubt that in real life it's a very wonderful thing to behold, but reproduced as a 120mm CD cover it's ... meh. Worse than that, it's not George Hardie's elegantly simple graphic, as are none of the other re-imaginings of the prism artwork that have appeared since. 

My heart sank when I first picked up the 40th anniversary 180gm vinyl because it has a dreary pointillism version of the graphic on the front:
 
Fortunately it's not the cover, it's loose under the shrink wrap and removing it reveals the original cover in all its glory. For reasons known only to EMI they printed it as a sticker, quite what you're supposed to stick it on is beyond me.

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:


Oh and I only have a stereo set-up, so I can't enjoy the 5.1 mix. Am I missing something? It sounds absolutely stunning coming out of my old school Dali speakers, which are made of granite if I'm not entirely mistaken. Damn those things are heavy.
I have the 30th anniversary 5.1 mix as well and not owning a surround sound system (and never wanted to own one) I've never heard it either.




I love Pink Floyd to bits but there are only so many times you can milk this fatted cow no matter how much you change the packaging. (Are you listening Mr Oldfield?). I did buy the Experience edition when it came out because the bonus disc featured a 1974 live recording from Wembley but without that the cash would have stayed in my wallet.


One "version" I do enjoy is the Tom Stoppard radio play Darkside as it couples my favourite album with a subject that has become my pet hate: philosophy. Here I like that it doesn't borrow from the original artwork.





Back to topic

Has anyone tried syncing any of the DSotM tribute albums to the Wiz of Oz? Apparently Dubside of the Moon works really well.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 11:53
^I tried syncing Wish You Were Here to Oz. It made no sense what so ever but it's my favorite Floyd album so it really didn't bother me too much.Smoke


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 12:22
Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 12:33
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47
Alas, Ummagumma is an album that I could never get into. But thanks anyway.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 13:43
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

One thing though, and this is a thing that irks me a bit. The 2003 5.1 SACD Remaster edition I currently have (I'm not expecting to own this by the end of the year. That would mean owning a copy for more than 10 years!) use a blue/purple colour on the front cover where there normally is all black. It is rather beautifully done, but it changes the way I look at it. I prefer not to look at it while I spin it tbh.
I know what you mean - it's probably a very nice piece of stained glass and no doubt that in real life it's a very wonderful thing to behold, but reproduced as a 120mm CD cover it's ... meh. Worse than that, it's not George Hardie's elegantly simple graphic, as are none of the other re-imaginings of the prism artwork that have appeared since. 
My heart sank when I first picked up the 40th anniversary 180gm vinyl because it has a dreary pointillism version of the graphic on the front:
 
Fortunately it's not the cover, it's loose under the shrink wrap and removing it reveals the original cover in all its glory. For reasons known only to EMI they printed it as a sticker, quite what you're supposed to stick it on is beyond me.
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Oh and I only have a stereo set-up, so I can't enjoy the 5.1 mix. Am I missing something? It sounds absolutely stunning coming out of my old school Dali speakers, which are made of granite if I'm not entirely mistaken. Damn those things are heavy.
I have the 30th anniversary 5.1 mix as well and not owning a surround sound system (and never wanted to own one) I've never heard it either.
I love Pink Floyd to bits but there are only so many times you can milk this fatted cow no matter how much you change the packaging. (Are you listening Mr Oldfield?). I did buy the Experience edition when it came out because the bonus disc featured a 1974 live recording from Wembley but without that the cash would have stayed in my wallet.
One "version" I do enjoy is the Tom Stoppard radio play Darkside as it couples my favourite album with a subject that has become my pet hate: philosophy. Here I like that it doesn't borrow from the original artwork.
Back to topic
Has anyone tried syncing any of the DSotM tribute albums to the Wiz of Oz? Apparently Dubside of the Moon works really well.




That vinyl version looks pretty good actually...and I like it for having such an easy way of getting back to the original cover; ie removing it:-P
I'm not sure I'll ever get surround sound - I've honesty never thought about it, because I always had good sound from my racks. The current one is bloody fantastic, and to think I bought it for 2500 kr. Sure it was built in 1991, but he paid over 30000 for it, and he and the missus struck me as someone who didn't crank up their Denon while throwing wild parties.
I do enjoy watching movies with surround sound though. A couple of my friends have those nifty home theatres, and that alone could possibly warrant a closer inspection at some future point.

Oh and I really dig that plane engine cover! If artists are going to borrow from the original imagery, then they should so marginally and only inspirational I feel. I have seen so many bad ones over time.

Dub Side of the Moon is a recent purchase of mine, and I haven't spun it more than once, and that was after a couple (more than 8) beers.

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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 13:59
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

I've seen it once years ago (but your link is broken). Personally I haven't found anything special.

 
i think i can help you with that:


http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.thisdayinmusic.com/   (probably just for today, though)


and yes, i've already heard about this Wizard of Oz stuff, and im probably not going along with this. also, the album itself made the peak told here because of the Pop Catalog Albums chart which has been around since 1991; it has been on that chart ever since that year actually. it reached #47 on the Billboard 200 in 2011 when the remastered version was released too.


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 28 2014 at 18:52
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47

Specially on Narrow Way LOL


Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 02:36
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

There is a first time for everything and everything is new to somebody once.

I've never been convinced by the Oz theory - there are a couple of moments of synchronicity but that's purely co-incidence and could happen with practically any album and any piece of film if you time it right.


My first experience of Dark Side of the Moon was watching Floyd play it at the Wembley Empire Pool in October 1972 with my girlfriend Susan and my best mate Mike.

On the day the album was released I rushed to the local record store just as it opened for the morning, the owner hadn't un-boxed the day's deliveries yet but on noticing my impatience allowed me to unpack boxes to get my paws on the record for the first time. I handed over my £2.50 and left the shop a very happy boy.

Everything about the album blew me away, the music, the songs, the concept, the sound effects, the playing, the cover, the posters, the stickers... from removing cellophane wrapper (carefully keeping the circular sticker intact) to the last heart-beat ... everything. It also brought me to the realisation that our family "music centre" wasn't good enough to fully appreciate the sonic marvels of this recording and set me off building a hi-fi of my own to play it on.

I even got my mum to knit me a DSotM woollen jacket:

Forty one years later the album is still fresh and vibrant to me, last week I bought the 40th anniversary re-issue of the vinyl and the buzz of removing the cellophane from that to access the disc, posters and stickers invoked a wave of nostalgia that I hadn't experienced before - memories of the concert in London, of the little record store in Bedford and of me convincing my mum that she could make the jacket without a pattern. I haven't actually played it yet - I'm waiting to complete the re-build of my 1973 turntable that I started a few months back so I can re-live the experience all over again.
Cool jacket!
Those posters hung on our bedroom walls for years, the stickers remained in the sleeve in order to keep them undamaged. I don't know if our original DSOTM copy still stays at some of my brother / sisters' homes (along the years many of our albums got lost by taking them to other homes in parties, lending them without enough control etc Cry), but if it does I'd bet the posters and stickers are still inside it.


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 13:53
hehe, soooooooo...... guess what i found out today:


http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4


go down the page until THAT shows up.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2014 at 16:02
Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

hehe, soooooooo...... guess what i found out today:


http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4


go down the page until THAT shows up.
Spooky... it's #89 in the UK charts too... and it's spent 666 weeks on the UK chart... 


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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: June 30 2014 at 13:47
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

hehe, soooooooo...... guess what i found out today:


http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4


go down the page until THAT shows up.
Spooky... it's #89 in the UK charts too... and it's spent 666 weeks on the UK chart... 

and idk how long it has been on the US charts (omg almighty xD)


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 01 2014 at 22:55
Love the album...like the movie...tried the sync thing once and my family thought I was looney.
Turned the movie off and continued with the album alone.

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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 14 2014 at 06:20
I tried the wiz of OZ sync using some so called internet guide. Some things synced right others didnt, then I re synced the film and it still didnt go colour just as Money opens. 

Bought Wiz of Oz special edition on blu ray this week for the kids... I wonder if it syncs better with the album, In any case it gives me another excuse to hear the album again.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 20 2014 at 11:30
Hi,
 
Nahhh ... I would rather go listen to "The Dark Side of the Goons"


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Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: July 22 2014 at 18:37
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I gave up drugs when the doctor told me I had six months to live........


I took up drugs when my doctor suggested I should try and have more fun...






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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 12:51
Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

hehe, soooooooo...... guess what i found out today:


http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4


go down the page until THAT shows up.
Spooky... it's #89 in the UK charts too... and it's spent 666 weeks on the UK chart... 

and idk how long it has been on the US charts (omg almighty xD)

looks like its back in the top 100 for now!!

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=4

but this time, it ain't alone:

http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=7" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=7
http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=8" rel="nofollow - http://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200?page=8


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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 12:56
Stubborn little album, isn't it?

On a related note, has anyone synched up "Atom Heart Mother" or "Echoes" with the Jupiter And Beyond The Infinite sequence in 2001: A Space Odyssey?

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 16:04
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Has anyone ever noticed that no matter what time you start the album DSOTM, it will end approximately 43 minutes later.  Bizarre.  Shocked
LOL
I missed that the first time around.
 
I rarely play Floyd these days. DSOTM has been played to death and it just doesn't excite me anymore when I listen to it. Maybe if I ever come down with memory loss as I age it will seem new and fresh then.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 16:07
^Yes the Doctor has quite a wit and would be a natural (good) song writer! And you are pretty sharp yourself Dr. Wu.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:01
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Yes the Doctor has quite a wit and would be a natural (good) song writer! And you are pretty sharp yourself Dr. Wu.
Well....thanks for saying that and your check is in the mail.  Wink
 
This is off topic but you brought up song writing and I find it a bit odd that so many on the song lyric thread seem not to be interested in lyrics yet so many here seem to pride themselves in their witty remarks and over all intellectual prowess in music threads as well as off topic subjects. You'd think they would care about the words in the songs as well. At any rate it seems  strange to me.
Confused


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:19
^ Well, that kind of pride doesn't make for a good presence in lyrics, so, ... there.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:21
no one cares about my lyrics in that thread Cry

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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 20:29
Being a huge Floyd fan (mainly the 'middle period' albums), I love Dark Side of the Moon. It doesn't matter when or where I play it, I still get excited about the music. A timeless classic.

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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 21:50
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47

What? Shocked


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Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.”

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 23 2014 at 23:05
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47.

I know comedian Adam Ray was impersonating Tony Danza for a video clip in which he said: "Have you ever played Dark Side of the Moon and Schindler's List at the same time? [sneers] I'm Tony Danza."

LOL


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 08:52
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Well, that kind of pride doesn't make for a good presence in lyrics, so, ... there.
 
Really....?
 
Confused


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Haquin


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 09:06
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Well, that kind of pride doesn't make for a good presence in lyrics, so, ... there.
 
Really....?
 
Confused

... and  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99047&PID=5021118#5021118" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99047&PID=5021118#5021118  ...

"That's all about words and language", witty remarks, "clever remarks and intellectualization" ... all vague notions. How do you incorporate any of it in a song, do you know? Here, on this forum, people more or less improvise with speech (err ... writing). But songwriting is truly something special and needs a lot of attention. There are high standards and rules of thumb. Our everyday speech/writing has a different set of those. And songwriting is clearly not just about words and language. The author of the song has to breath life into the words and sweeten the whole thing with ... music!

Have you noted the style in which Iain writes his posts here? Sounds like he prepares himself for a Peter Hammill's "The Sleepwalkers" -style poetry slam. Tongue Go ahead and try to put anything Iain says in a song.

Don't just put two vague notions like "wit" and "song" together and think that it's going to turn out alright. It's easy to say something brainy; it's much harder to write a valuable song. I see that a lot of us have high standards when listening to/reading someone's words.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 13:34
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Well, that kind of pride doesn't make for a good presence in lyrics, so, ... there.
 
Really....?
 
Confused

... and  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99047&PID=5021118#5021118" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99047&PID=5021118#5021118  ...

"That's all about words and language", witty remarks, "clever remarks and intellectualization" ... all vague notions. How do you incorporate any of it in a song, do you know? Here, on this forum, people more or less improvise with speech (err ... writing). But songwriting is truly something special and needs a lot of attention. There are high standards and rules of thumb. Our everyday speech/writing has a different set of those. And songwriting is clearly not just about words and language. The author of the song has to breath life into the words and sweeten the whole thing with ... music!

Have you noted the style in which Iain writes his posts here? Sounds like he prepares himself for a Peter Hammill's "The Sleepwalkers" -style poetry slam. Tongue Go ahead and try to put anything Iain says in a song.

Don't just put two vague notions like "wit" and "song" together and think that it's going to turn out alright. It's easy to say something brainy; it's much harder to write a valuable song. I see that a lot of us have high standards when listening to/reading someone's words.
 
I get what you are saying but that wasn't really my point.
I just think it's odd that those who like reading, books, current events, etc, which are probably most of the people on PA , seem to care less about song lyrics.
Maybe it's just me.....Confused


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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
Haquin


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 19:31
Not to get into profiling, but most of the 'literary' people I've met were either not interested in music or listened to it for the music music, not the lyrics.  It was typically the people who did not have the patience to read big, fat books who were however very particular about the selection of words in the verse.  So, maybe literary people shut out the words when they listen to music.  As I said in the other word, if I wanted something clever, I would read it in a book.  I seek a more visceral and less 'intellectual' experience from music.


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 19:36
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Not to get into profiling, but most of the 'literary' people I've met were either not interested in music or listened to it for the music music, not the lyrics.  It was typically the people who did not have the patience to read big, fat books who were however very particular about the selection of words in the verse.  So, maybe literary people shut out the words when they listen to music.  As I said in the other word, if I wanted something clever, I would read it in a book.  I seek a more visceral and less 'intellectual' experience from music.

I don't care anything about lyrics and I've been a musician for 22 years and I wouldn't call myself a literary person either (not that I don't read of course).


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“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 19:38
I don't mean literary literally, only reproducing it because Doc used it.  I don't consider myself a literary person either, just somebody who likes to read a lot.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 24 2014 at 22:05
Oh well, here goes nothing...

I don't find it strange either. In a perfect world that statement alone should be enough but often the urge to clarify that means I must continue. I don't read the verses in birthday cards but enjoy getting them once a year. I think that analogy is close enough to convey the message and meaning yet still there is room for misunderstanding so I shall elucidate further. Erudite people are not necessarily polymaths and just because people like one literary form it does not follow that they would like all literary forms. Just because you enjoy prose it does not mean that you should also enjoy poetry and if you do take pleasure in poetry there is no reason to assume that you would like lyrical poetry or blank verse. Also if you do care about good lyrical poetry it doesn't necessarily mean that you are bothered by song lyrics. And not caring about them does not mean that you don't care for them.

pfft!

I read books, lots of books. I like novels, long novels, trilogies, double trilogies, whole series and serialisations.  I hardly read poetry at all but will read the occasional epic poem. However, I don't read short stories or novellas very much, they're not like a cup of espresso that delivers the full hit of coffee on a couple of sips, they're more like being served a short-measure and for that a little unfulfilling.

Removed of music and melody song lyrics seldom stand by themselves - those would be the poetry equivalent of a short story - thin on content and unsatisfying - if there is anything of interest in there to a wordsmith or someone who appreciates a well turned phrase it's easily consumed and digested. If it is deep and meaningful but buried in obscure references, metaphor or analogy then it has to be worth the effort of unravelling the puzzle to get to it. Those are the exception and are exceptional, but they are few and far between.

Yet Dark Side of the Moon's lyrics succeed where other's fail because it doesn't try too hard, Waters wrote the lyrics in plain terms using plain English that anyone and everyone could understand without dumbing them down or using trite cliché. What little allegory he uses is confined to easily identified symbology and in the end tell us things we already knew, and he manages to do that without being preachy or condescending about it because (perhaps for the only time in his career) he treats us as intellectual equals. Waters even makes a point of telling us as much... we're only ordinary men. No one has to sit for hours analysing the lyric sheet to get the message, you can pick it up from simply listening to the songs as they are sung. 

That's how lyrics should be - they are an integral part of the song and are not meant to stand-alone to be picked and pawed over, deconstructed and analysed - we don't do that to the drum patterns or the bass lines, we don't pick-apart the chord progressions or measure the note-intervals in a solo in order to appreciate and understand the music.



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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:



That's how lyrics should be - they are an integral part of the song and are not meant to stand-alone to be picked and pawed over, deconstructed and analysed - we don't do that to the drum patterns or the bass lines, we don't pick-apart the chord progressions or measure the note-intervals in a solo in order to appreciate and understand the music.


Clap  Couldn't agree more.


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 25 2014 at 11:45
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

I gave up drugs when the doctor told me I had six months to live........


I took up drugs when my doctor suggested I should try and have more fun...



Why did the short hair cross the road? Because someone told him to.
Why did the long hair cross the road? Because someone told him not to.
                                             -Firesign Theatre          


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 25 2014 at 16:00
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Ummagumma syncs up perfectly with Backdoor Sluts #47

What? Shocked
 
 
That guy never heard "Phaedra" or "Bodylove" (both of them!). Well at least one of them had Alex De Renzy!


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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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