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Future Format Frenzy: Digital Audio and Y

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Topic: Future Format Frenzy: Digital Audio and Y
Posted By: [email protected]
Subject: Future Format Frenzy: Digital Audio and Y
Date Posted: June 13 2004 at 13:25

Future Format Frenzy: Digital Audio and You -

Prog On !

Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 14 2004 at 03:56

I found this article to be particularly helpful in understanding the current formats - it includes some short samples so that you can hear the differences for yourself. - tm


Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: June 14 2004 at 09:04

Aren't DVD-Audio and SACD different music-encoding formats to WMA, MP3, OGG, VQF and WAV though? Presumably DVD-A and SACD are much better than any of the latter five encoding formats?

Interesting to read the article though - seems like WMA is the best of the bunch overall.

Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 14 2004 at 15:49

Well I took this thread in its literal sense of digital audio formats (let no-one forget VHS vs BetaMax!);

MAX's link is concerned with the less portable formats (when compared with digital files), which may well go the same way as vinyl for the same reason vinyl was dropped - you can produce CD/DVD more cheaply than vinyl and it's easier to store. It's also concerned with codecs (compression/decompression - algorithms - ), which apply to any form of digital media compression;

Files stored in solid state memory rather than on a mechanical medium are becoming as if not more popular than CD, due to ease of storage and lack of wear on components. Access and seek time is practically non-existent too - we're talking about nanoseconds instead of seconds. You can copy tracks from CDs to your PC as CDA files - that's all they are. Just because they're stored on a CD and described as CD-Audio, they are not limited to the one storage medium - it's just data at the end of the day. DVD is a bit more cunning, and stores files in complex folder hierarchies in order to inhibit raw copying. Anyone with a Linux machine won't worry about that, and simple decryption software such as decss will continue to be developed by those who believe that it is their right to be able to create a backup.

This is why I think it's useful to keep a tab on the developments in the different fields - mechanical/optical vs solid state and the development of the digital files and their codecs. My personal feeling is that solid state will eventually win - but it has to drop in price significantly at a given capacity point first.

I like to understand how it all hangs together - just to keep that vital step ahead of the new ways the media companies are planning to stitch us all up. No. I'm, not paranoid, I just forgot to use the word "again".

Here's my favourite site on all things "techie", describing how CDs, and recording works, and comparing CD to DVD; - - -



Posted By: Dusanyu
Date Posted: June 16 2004 at 20:03
eather way it a forgone conclusion that the next Gen
Codecs and meida are going to have a a high degree of
D.R.M. (Digital Rights magement) personly i could see
the RIAA embraseing a technology simmular microsoft's
Palladium the RIAA has already Shown prefrance to
Microsoft when relicing thire Copy protection schima
CD' that required Windows to be played on a computer
(No Mac No linux) - l

Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: June 17 2004 at 06:33

your article link about Palladium Computing is kind of freaky , don't you think ?

Prog On !

Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 17 2004 at 09:52

Did you check the link to "Trusted Computing FAQ"?

I wondered why the EU were so keen to get M$ to unbundle Media Player...

Think I'll dust down my Linux distros and get back into that instead. Windows looks like it's about to become very Big Brotherly.

Ogg on face, anyone?

Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: June 17 2004 at 12:05

As I mentioned in the iPod thread, the article on the page - ple_music/  appears to indicate that AAC is better than WMA 9, MP3 and Sony's ATRAC.

Any listening experience by ProgArchives forum members to corroborate this?

Posted By: Dusanyu
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 01:29

hear - is
a site whare you download the same audio clip encoded
under the popular Audio codex (AAC MP3 and OGG -
Vorbis) is a highly rusted source on digital privacy i
dont see what is wrong with the llink other than being
a littler on the techy side. Granted it did not give
the opposing viewpoint souporting Paladium. Eatherway i
do not personly like the idea of big brother systems
espeshaly in computing is why I am a
Linux and open source Advocate. (well that and UNIX
like systems rock )   

Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: June 18 2004 at 13:09

Very interesting article, Dusanyu. I downloaded the music sample encoded using the different formats and listened to them, but it's a pity that the WMA format was not included in his test.

The M4A (AAC) sample doesn't sound too good, does it? The MP4 (AAC) sounds a bit better, but the LAME MP3 and OGG files do sound quite good, don't they? But I wonder whether WMA would have beaten them?

By the way, I was looking for a way to play the OGG files and found out that my favourite image file viewer (IrfanView) can play OGG files.

Posted By: Dusanyu
Date Posted: June 19 2004 at 02:05
WMA was left out for the simple reason that the used a
linux based system to encode the files unfourtunitly
thire is not a WMA encoder for linux i have been
tempted to do the same thing Under a Windows based
system (if i owned a copy of windows :) )

Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: November 06 2004 at 11:57

Just learned about another digital audio compression format: FLAC (free lossless audio codec). Check out the Web site - for details. A lossless digital audio compression format appears very interesting. And FLAC is apparently Open Source, like Ogg Vorbis.

That Web site also points out that portable HDD digital audio players similar to the iPod exist which can play this lossless format: the company JetAUDIO sells the 20 Gb and 40 Gb iAUDIO M3/M3L which supports FLAC - see -  (US$ 329 for the 20 Gb model and US$ 399 for the 40 Gb model).


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