Live Versions Over Studio.
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Topic: Live Versions Over Studio.
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Live Versions Over Studio.
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 19:14
| Which songs or albums do prefer live over the studio versions? For example, Gilmour's On An Island is the last album I'd want to have with me on a deserted island but all the material done live on Live In Gdansk is stellar. |
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 20:06
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Quite a lot of Pink Floyd sounds better live than in the studio starting with all four tracks on disc 1 of Ummagumma, the version of Echoes and One of These Days from Live In Pompeii, the RoIO versions of Embryo and Atom Heart Mother that we're not supposed to mention here and everything from A Momentary Lapse of Reason that made it onto Delicate Sound of Thunder. I prefer Tarkus from Welcome Back My Friends to the studio version. Moonloop from Coma Divine to the studio version (but not The Sky Moves Sideways).
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 20:44
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Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother (1972.01.20 The Dome, Brighton, UK) Pink Floyd - One of These Days (Pompeii 1972; PULSE 1994, and 1972.01.20 The Dome, Brighton, UK) Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond (PULSE 1994) Pink Floyd - Coming Back to Life (PULSE 1994) Pink Floyd - High Hopes (PULSE 1994) Pink Floyd - The Great Gig in The Sky (PULSE 1994) Pink Floyd - A Great Day For Freedom (PULSE 1995) Pink Floyd - Take it Back (PULSE 1994) Eloy - The Sun-Song (Live - 1978) Eloy - The Dance in Doubt and Fear (Live - 1978) Yes - Opening Excerpts From Firebird Suite (Yessongs - 2009 Japan Remaster) Yes - And You And I (House Of Yes - Live From House Of Blues 2000) Rush - Xanadu (Exit... Stage Left) Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell (Live Evil) Genesis - Afterglow (Seconds Out) Genesis - Los Endos (Seconds Out) Supertramp - Fools Overture (Live in Paris 1980) -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:06
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I prefer the various boots of Triumvirat doing the Illusions On A Double Dimple album live, than the studio album. Even tho the sound quality is not that great, that album sounds great in a live context. And live, Triumvirat elaborate further on some sections of the two IOADD suites, which is an added bonus. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:06
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I pretty much prefer the studio version of most songs but there are those that are just better live ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:32
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Oh, there are a lot for me. Often I like them better because they are played with more energy, or because they are expanded, or because they are updated. There's lot's of Pink Floyd I like better live, like Comfortably Numb and On the Turning Away on Delicate Sound of Thunder, or High Hopes on Pulse, and in general early Pink Floyd seems to have been much better live (pre Meddle)... the studio versions seem like just teasers of what the real song would be (the live ones). Also Gilmour solo sounds very nice live. I've heard some of his songs from the 80's live and they sound much better (specially Murder)... I wish they would be officially released. And On an Island, as stated before, is much better on it's live version (plus, it's almost a Pink Floyd album on that one, with Richard Wright on board, plus the guys from the backing band being many of them regulars from Pink Floyd tours - including Dick Parry).
Genesis also sounds better live, like Musical Box, Dancing with the Moonlit Knigt, and Cinema Show... much more energy, and Gabriel sounds less annoying, and Collins is just on fire... even many of the pop era songs sound better live... on studio they often sound too plastic, while live it sounds like they are actually played by a band. Jethro Tull is another example that I like live a lot in most cases... even the late 90's and early 00's sounds really cool and updated (actually, I think almost every song from Aqualung I like better in some live version). King Crimson, of course, also has lot's of songs that are really wonderful live, like Schizoid Man played by the Wetton era line-up (with guitar playing the main riff instead of the sax), and Starless too I like much better live, with the main theme played with the violin. And just about everything from the 80's (plus the song Red) sounds much better played live by the double trio in the 90's. Yes is another band that I like better live in many cases, in great part thanks to Wakeman that updates his keyboards on many songs, like Awaken, Starship Trooper, Time and a Word on Keys to Ascension, or Owner of a Lonely Heart from the Union tour. Or the Symphonic live songs, with Close to the Edge and Gates of Delirium being really wonderful. Steven Wilson and Porcupine Tree also seem to do very nicely live, Coma Divine being a wonderful album. There must be many more from this artists, and other's as well, that I'm forgetting, though. I guess that an example of a band that I haven't really enjoyed live so much is ELP. And Dream Theater is nice enough, but they don't do much on the live versions that I would prefer them over the originals. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 14 2014 at 21:53
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Early Black Sabbath, there's some good live renditions, specifically on Past Lives. Ozzy's vocals on "N.I.B." flows better, "Behind The Wall Of Sleep" has more oomph and "Iron Man" sounds less cartoonish and more rage filled. For The Who, "A Quick One While He's Away" didn't sound too good in its initial studio session, but sounded good by late 1968. Pink Floyd, "Embryo". Come on Floyd, please give us some official releases of your live performances of the song. For a non prog example, "For Emily, Whenever I May Find Her" by Simon & Garfunkel. The studio version from Parsley, Sage Rosemary And Thyme was pretty good, but the live version from Live 1969 just annihilates it.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 00:30
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Hendrix of course. Performing live and in the studio are two different Hendrixs, you can't really compare his live playing to his studio playing. As I see it, in the studio he would focus on constructing and building the different layers of the song and tried to play the song in certain limits. But when performing live he would just play the song!! according to his mood (or drugs) no boundaries at all, just flying. Without putting down his studio versions (they are all really good) Of course there are a few tracks which were on par with his live stuff and that you can find on his Blues album and one or two in every album. Live Hendrix is where it's at. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:24
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ELP - Tarkus, Karn Evil 9 3rd Impression Eloy - Ocean (pretty much the whole album is performed on Eloy Live) Yes - Yours Is No Disgrace , Gates Of Delirium Genesis - Dance On A Volcano/Los Endos ,One For The Vine, Domino,Home By The Sea/Second Home By The Sea Glass Hammer - Lex Live (Matt Mendians!) Emerson , Lake and Powell Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells , Platinum IQ - Dark Matter (as on the bonus DVD to Frequency) |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 01:31
| Led Zeppelin are probably the biggest example of this for me. Most of their albums are just 'good' to me, there are some great tunes but the whole affair just doesn't draw me that much. But live, especially How The West Was Won, now that's a killer band. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:35
I agree wholeheartedly with you here. I made this Live In Gdansk recording a priority whilst holidaying in The Bahamas, and it was a most special memory for me. The sand flies kind of peaved me off early, though that was rectified and I continued....... Gdansk leaves his studio versions for dead. |
SteveG wrote:Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 02:49
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9vx6Sksegg" rel="nofollow - The Musical Box by Genesis (from Live, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjPS3mqz_Y0" rel="nofollow - The Return of The Giant Hogweed by Genesis (from Live, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVQofL89II" rel="nofollow - Watcher of The Skies by Genesis (from Live, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkQO6pQo8u4" rel="nofollow - Exiles by King Crimson (from USA, 1975) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3waeHg41rg" rel="nofollow - Isle Of Everywhere by Gong (from Live, Etc. 1977) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-I9LV27Bs" rel="nofollow - Oily Way by Gong (from Live, Etc. 1977) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSu99DXKDM" rel="nofollow - Thick As A Brick by Jethro Tull (from Bursting Out, 1978) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-gFKntKiUo" rel="nofollow - Minstrel In The Gallery by Jethro Tull (from Bursting Out, 1978) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EGPQlkiXJo" rel="nofollow - Heart of Sunrise by Yes (from Yessongs,1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gRR7XkOhS8" rel="nofollow - Roundabout by Yes (from Yessongs, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNFpGOCB80" rel="nofollow - Long Distance Runaround/The Fish by Yes (fromYessongs, 1973) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Sp3U5mIUc" rel="nofollow - And You And I by Yes (from Yessongs, 1973) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrcuh883YFI" rel="nofollow - The Torture Never Stops by Frank Zappa (from Zappa In New York, 1978) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AtWM6Zlzq8" rel="nofollow - Black Market by Weather Report (from 8:30, 1979) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbDvgJP30dA" rel="nofollow - The Endless Night by Return To Forever (from Live, 1977) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2pVGFroxhM" rel="nofollow - Bodhisattva by Steely Dan (from Alive in America, 1995) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcxMijeRpSg" rel="nofollow - Ulazak u harem by Smak (from OdLIVEno, 1992) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxpyTMHZabA" rel="nofollow - Pečurka by Igra Staklenih Perli (from Soft Explosion Live, 1991) |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 06:59
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"The Gates of Delirium" has always sounded best live, IMHO. Most Pink Floyd sounds better live, too.
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Posted By: threaz
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:08
| A Saucerful of Secrets from Pompei definitely :) |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:09
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Some of Pink Floyd's songs. There is a version of Time I have come across on the net with a wonderful variation on the guitar solo. Lots of Gentle Giant and Renaissance. I especially love the Knots medley which is also included in the Giant on the Box DVD. I think this is more due to the studio recordings themselves not being that great. As opposed to that, Genesis esp Lamb onwards recorded their albums well and to me they didn't always translate so well in the live recording (actually watching them live in concert must have been a great experience). Dream Theater's Fortune in Lies on the Live at the Marquee recording was unbelievable. The sheer energy of that performance is almost stupefying and for once even LaBrie is very effective.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 07:27
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Careful With That Axe, Eugene from Live at Pompeii; that version's rivaled by the one from the Rainbow Theatre in '73. it is on Youtube in video form. the version of Learning to Fly from Delicate Sound of Thunder is also awesome! ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 12:27
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In the Woods... Liveattheclaedonianhall, all of the material is better than the studio versions, particularly the whole Omnio album. Opeth- all of the Blackwater Park album from the Royal Albert Hall performance, even Bleak which they usually play too fast live. When, The Night and the Silent Water, Under the Weeping Moon, Demon of the Fall and Face of Melinda are all brilliant from the Roundhouse Tapes. Pain of Salvation's Handful of Nothing is spectacular on the Second Death of... live album. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 14:41
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 14:59
I prefer all the songs on Eloy's Live to their studio counterparts. Fantastic live album. I've always liked the version of "A Passage to Bangkok" on E...SL better than the original. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 15:30
| Most live versions of Grobschnitt's Solar Music are better than the studio version. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 20:42
Why not another non prog example: The incredible guitarist Mark Knopfler was brilliantly inspired in the "Alchemy" show (1984), particularly in the amazing performance at the final part of the track "Tunnel Of Love" - his guitar litteraly blew my mind off, such was my delight with that! ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 20:47
Yeah well reminded about Eloy and Rush, I'm going to give them some other great spins...
------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 15 2014 at 21:48
| Now that I read some more posts, I must say that I agree with Jimmi Hendrix. I didn't really understand what was all the fuss about his guitar playing, having heard mainly studio hits. But then I got a few live albums, and it was a whole different experience; I still like better many of my prog hero guitar players, but Hendrix did have some cool chops. I also agree with Black Sabbath. I got some of their studio albums and I got the reunion live album... and there's just about nothing I'd rather hear on their original versions (except perhaps the Black Sabbath song itself)... it is heavier and better played on reunion. I also like very much the versions on Live Evil, with Dio on vocals, whom I consider a vastly superior singer than Ozzy. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 17:37
Considering that "How the West Was Won" was taken and fudged by Jimmy fro several bootlegs .... it is not as good as the originals.
NOTE: I'm not an expert on boots. I have, however, heard quite a few in my life!
However, like most bootlegs, the "quality" has a way of ruining things for us all. But, if you can SEPARATE the recording, from the FEELING behind it all, the LA series around Bonzo's Birthday Parties, were the best series of bootlegs EVER done, and the energy was not only addictive, it was strong! After that the early boots for 1970 and 1971 are the bery best.
PF's bootlegs, tell a different story about their life/living that the books don't and none of the members discuss. It's almost like the albums lie, and their voices are the truth, but try telling folks at PA that the bootlegs show Syd preaching as the Greatest Gig in the Sky and everyone here goes ... ??????????? .... which actually made a lot more sense given hteir history than what was done ... which of course, ended up being historic and too pretty to not be appreciated!
DSOTM stunk in concert and there were too many problems with their electronice stuff and many times the film (French Windows) was out of sync. Also, many of the lazer and lights were out of sync. This got cleaned up and fixed by the time they did their next tour. I think it also affected the quality of the live stuff. I have not heard a single DSOTM in the early days (specially!!!!!) that was good. The later versions were excellent, but already out of time and sync.
If you have never heard it, you must hear "The Beatles" stuff that was live in Hamburg (used to be 3 LP's) so you can get a massive idea of how well they stretched their material all the way to "Abbey Road".
In my experience, the live versions are really good for learning and finding out WHO the artist really is. In many ways, you don't even have to know, when it comes to folks like Peter Hammill ... but many other bands ... it's a different ballgame.
Better bands live than LP/CD
Guru Guru -- the best ever. Like Led Z, the early stuff, specially, is outrageous and the most insane guitar ever played. I'm almost thinking that Ax Gernreich (sp!) is the best progressive/experimental guitarist there is ... but I'm not sure that most folks here can handle some of that stuff. I honestly believe that there is a lot of Jimi Hendrix out there with stuff like this, that we will never hear, because the folks that own/have the music don't get it, or can relate to this kind of craziness, and it will remain hidden and forever wasted.
Amon Duul 2 -- specially early. In their later days, they got very sloppy and bad as a live band. But stuff from their first 3 albums that is improvisational and live, appears to not be touched enough to be heard well.
Cozmic Couriers -- Most of those albums and early Ash Ra Tempel stuff, as well as Popol Vuh, can only be recorded and done ONCE. Normally you can not recreate the feeling or experience in order to have this redone again, and be played better a 2nd time. The fact that almost none of it was ever "redone" in any shape should tell you that it was a one off "experience" that could not be recreated. The time is past and over with!
Magma -- Only seen them once, and we gave them a standing ovation. It felt like this was either going to be glorious, or a disaster. There is no description or words, for the result. Totally magnetic and insane energy all the way through, and it makes you stand there in awe, that someone can do this ... non-stop ... and so beautifully!
Man -- the ol' Man Band with Mickie and Deke, was unreal ... catch the live version of C'mon in Back into the Future, and just die away with the yodelling along with the Chorus! You can not buy that anywhere, and the fact that it was caught is short of miraculous!
Return to Forever -- With Ponty, specially. As much as the music in the albums is great, their live experience, is a lesson on musicianship, beauty, creativity, and folks that DO KNOW what the fidge they are doing, and they are not just plying riffs to excite your wee wee ... outstanding musicianship and then some!
Tangerine Dream -- Specially in the early days, and thus the incredible number of live albums and bootlegs in those days, because it was really difficult to duplicate everything they created on an album, or on the stage. It wasn't until much later that their sound became closer to the albums, however, their live experience (check out 220 Volt Live), is still more enthralling and exciting than the albums themselves. Live though the Phaedra 25th anniversay concert if you dare, because many of us will have our hearts just swimming in it ... how music has changed, and yet you sit there and cry ... because the beauty LIVES!
Klaus Schulze -- The albums are nice, but live he is even better. Grab the Das Rheingold DVD, and see the two specials and then watch the show, and you end up watching an audience get excited about him doing a "sequencer" piece! They know the feeling and how it takes you away so much!
Can I live though "Mirage" one more time???? Ohhh yeahhhh I can! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 21:11
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Roger Daltrey The Song Is Over (Who's Next, 1971) at Carnegie Hall 1994, from http://www.allmusic.com/album/daltrey-sings-townshend-dvd-mw0001288566" rel="nofollow - Daltrey Sings Townshend DVD 2009 |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 23:25
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Yessongs was, unusually, not only the first Yes album I ever bought, but one of the first I bought by anybody. So it’s always held a special place for me, but even if it didn’t, I’d still consider many tracks to be superior to the studio versions, especially Siberian Khatru (love how it just busts out from the Firebird opening), Heart of the Sunrise and Perpetual Change. I’m tempted to add The Fish but that’s more like apples and oranges, since it’s so different from the original, with the multitracked bass parts played separately and expanded upon. ------------- Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. Silly human race! Yes is for everybody! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 00:42
Yessongs for Yes is what Live is for Genesis. Both albums contain definitive versions of some great songs.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 17 2014 at 22:02
The problem with Genesis Live is that it misses some of the songs... in order to make it fit in a single album, I think. If it had the complete concert... or at least a complete set-list with the songs taken from different concerts (such as Yes did), then it would have been much better. Good for me, I got the live box-set, so I have Genesis Live, and Live in the Rainbow, and between both albums I got a complete set-list from the time. And indeed, many of the songs are so much better live. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 01:08
| What do people think of the 1969-1975 Archive version of The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway? I was listening to The Lamia yesterday and thought it sounded great. I am aware that Gabriel re-recorded his vocals for its release but they sound good to me. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 08:36
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Highway Star is better here than the studio version.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 08:57
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A lot of my fave albums are actually "live" albums just recorded in the studio. Granted, a bit of fiddling took place, but then again: how many of our fave live recordings are tweeked afterwards?
Can's Future Days along with Amon Düül's Yeti are two albums that instantly spring to mind. The live from London album is one I never got around to hearing, but from what I've heard over the tube, it's pretty easy calling most of what these two acts were doing: "live". As for the OP: I prefer almost all Floyd live to studio with but a few exceptions where I love the both about equally. Case in point: Saucerful of Secrets. Absolutely breathtaking whether it's live or the original pastoral cut. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 21:10
I think I may have heard that live version of Watcher of the Skies first, courtesy of one of the hipper AOR stations in the country in the 70s. I find some the Seconds Out versions preferable as well, mainly Afterglow (with Chester’s added drum riffs), Cinema Show (with the blistering Phil & Bill battle), and I Know What I Like (with the imported riffs from older songs and Phil’s endearing looniness).
Careful With That Axe, Eugene from Ummagumma always kills, with the scream that can knock you silly if you’re unprepared and the pin-drop ending. Audiences sure were more attentive and respectful back then, weren’t they? ------------- Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. Silly human race! Yes is for everybody! |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 21:21
I didn't know there are older performances of I Know What I Like as good as that from Seconds Out, really good to know, the very first song of Genesis that I happened to know was just this performance of it in the very good Seconds Out show.
------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 21:42
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People have already mentioned most of my favorites
Deep Purple- Made In Japan King Crimson - Great Deceiver Box Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Henry Cow - Concerts (disc 1 is definitive) Caravan - Fairfield Magma - Hhai Nik Bartsch Ronin - Live Yugen - Mirrors Hawkwind - Space Ritual ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 22:10
I'm afraid I haven't heard that one... but the version I have of "Genesis Live" (from the live box-set) has some songs from the Lamb shows added. I must admit I aren't the biggest fan of that album, but the versions I got on that album are much better than the studio ones for me. I don't know if those versions have the re-recorded vocals or not, but I actually liked them better live than on studio. Once again, I'm not particularly fond of Gabriel's vocals (that's an important reason why I don't like The Lamb so much)... but somehow I found his singing more enjoyable live than on studio. |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 22:27
Just so we’re both clear: the “imported riffs” I referred to are the ones from Dancing With the Moonlit Knight, White Mountain, and Stagnation that pop up in the Seconds Out version of IKWIL. ------------- Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. Silly human race! Yes is for everybody! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 18 2014 at 23:29
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Biko is undoubtely better at Plays Live than the studio version. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 00:58
I avoided the live box set because it looked very pricey although I would like the remaster of Seconds Out.
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 03:05
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The standout selection here is Gates of Delirium by Yes. The Yesshows version is a million times better than the studio version. I never play the Relayer version, it's so limp in comparison. Virtually the entirety of Eloy's Ocean is on Eloy Live and it's all much better on the live album. All the tracks on the Ummagumma live disc are infinitely better than the studio versions of these tracks. That'll do for starters  . |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 08:52
I think the whole thing with Zappa and his overdubs is overblown out of spec!
The majority of the work that we love by him, is done live. He doesn't need the overdubs to make himself sound better!
I have the feeling that he used the overdubs as a way to get more out of the music, and he would play it, or experiment with it while warming up for a concert, or the like.
Weird to hear this about overdubs ... if there is one person that doesn't need the overdubs, it would be Frank! But we have to credit the overdubs, not the composer?
I wonder how many overdubs Beethoven had? Or Mozart? ... now that would be a good question! Maybe we're not being smart enough and over rating things like "overdubs"!!!!
 ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 09:13
I had only heard one Genesis boot, and it was for the ear around SEBTP ... and what I heard was not exciting at all, and the album was considerably better and more theatrical. I'm guessing that it was the early stages of SEBTP and it sounded very poor to my ear and uninspired.
Never have I heard or seen a TLLDOB boot. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 09:14
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May just be down to how we individually decode a word like overdubbing. To some it holds a lot of negative connotations - almost to the extent that the word itself loses it's original meaning. Just like a word like Neo or Proto, when applied to prog, inevitably does over time. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 10:11
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 10:20
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I get what you're saying Steve, but that wasn't what I was hinting at
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 10:25
^Oh, ah.. never mind. 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 10:43
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 11:07
| I prefer studio albums, but Exit... Stage Left is my favorite live album. Everything on it is just excellent. |
Posted By: notesworth
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 13:27
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For a semi-prog example, Muse. The versions of "New Born", "Micro Cuts", "Supermassive Black Hole", and "Invincible" from the llve album HAARP are way better than the studio versions. ESPECIALLY "New Born". The studio version sounds weak and the live version rocks hard! King Crimson's "Sleepless" is way better on Absent Lovers than in the studio. A lot of people say EVERYTHING on Absent Lovers is better than the studio versions. I'm surprised nobody mentioned Absent Lovers yet. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:35
Well, I happened to not have any live album from Genesis when I found out about this one, and I already wanted to start getting live albums from them. And since I believe I would have paid more, or at least the same, for getting the albums on their own, plus the box-set including material I wouldn't be able to get (at least not easily) buying them separatley, well, it was a no brainer. Simply the Live at the Rainbow disc was enough to make it worth it (plus the few songs from The Lamb). |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 21:42
Actually, I like the version from Symphonic Yes even more than the Yesshows version. The orchestral arrangements really improve the song wonderfully. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 19 2014 at 22:18
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If you own Deep Purples' "Made in Japan" you will not be able to listen to the studio versions of the songs ever again. The live versions simply explode.
Also agree with others regarding Hendrix live. The vinyl "In the West" has always been a prized possession. Also Tull's "Nothing Is Easy: Live at the Isle of Wight" presents a ballsy young band at their rowdiest. Sorry, it is simply a more exhilirating live show than on "Bursting Out". ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 00:56
Makes sense. I have a Jap replica card cover version of Seconds Out which is quite nice but I would like to get the remaster if it was available seperately. I was never that impressed by the Genesis Live album and rarely play it. Three Sides Live was always a bit confusing in its UK version as all of it was live. However the only essential things on it for me are One For The Vine and Fountain Of Salmacis. The Way We Walk Live - The Longs is excellent with vastly superior versions of Domino and Home By The Sea but I am happy with the CD I have and its not a priority for me to have a remaster. Live Over Europe is excellent but I am happy to have the DVD as far as that goes. On that basis it would the box set just a bit too pricey for me.
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 06:29
The The Dark Elf wrote: ............Also Tull's "Nothing Is Easy: Live at the Isle of Wight" presents a ballsy young band at their rowdiest. Sorry, it is simply a more exhilirating live show than on "Bursting Out"............ When I first heard "Bursting Out" back in 1978 I had my doubts about the authenticity of it being actually100% live. To this very day I think it is more an album that was recorded live but then overdubbed and over produced to give it more a studio-perfect sound. It to me just does not have an authentic live feel to it. Just my opinion. I am with you re the Isle of White recording....now that is a live album of great value.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 21:15
Well, Genesis Live has got "The Knife" and "Musical Box", which I like better than the originals, but it misses "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" and "Cinema Show", which are included on Live at the Rainbow, and which I also like much better than the originals. Plus, Live at the Rainbow also has "Supper's Ready"... even though that one is a bit more frustrating for me, because I like parts of it better than the original, but other parts they just don't do it well enough. Plus, I like the version of "Watcher of the Skies" better on the Rainbow album (though that one is not available on the CD, only on the audio DVD). All in all, I think they should have released a double album of the Rainbow show back in the time instead of the incomplete Genesis Live thing. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 20 2014 at 23:40
They probably have only taped that "extra" sound of the crowd, what was otherwise a common practice in the second half of the seventies in terms of live albums At Bursting Out the album, there is already a mature progressive rock band that played with a great skill; moreover, for Bursting Out they used the best performances from various concerts at the Heavy Horses European tour so they had no need for overdubs. Also, Bursting Out masterfully presented that great atmosphere at their concerts in the second half of the seventies ( I saw them live for the first time in 1975, in Belgrade, Yugoslavia).
Last but not least, JT catalogue was far richer at the time of Bursting Out recording than it was the case at Isle of White. So I am not of the opinion that the band has stagnated at stage in 1978. Actually, they couldn't stagnated at stage in 1978 after the serie of the studio masterpieces and numerous memorable live perfomances that JT did do in the seventies since the Isle of White festival. On contrary, they could have been only better at stage in 1978. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 21 2014 at 01:14
Yep a lot of people have said that. Genesis were not big enough at the time to warrant a double live album (although Yes and ELP were apparently big enough for a 'triple' each
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 17:50
Well, when it comes to the BIG ELP - if you follow them there's a speciallity: welcome back my friend to the BIG LIVE SHOW that ever ends ! You've gotta see the SHOW, It's a dynamo!!  ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 18:37
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Pretty much everything on Space Ritual is better than the studio versions.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 18:39
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Only one example I can think of, honestly: Kraftwerk - "Rückzück". I'm really not a fan of live performances.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 30 2014 at 18:49
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 31 2014 at 16:33
This, especially the wonderous version of Aquatarkus. Also Take a Pebble from the same album. plus Everything on Genesis Live. "In The End" and "By-Tor and the Snow Dog" from Rush's "All the World's a Stage" |
Posted By: Blood Simple
Date Posted: September 05 2014 at 06:38
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Not really prog, Crossover maybe? But impressive: Checked studio version later - a major disappointment( |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: September 05 2014 at 19:30
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I mostly prefer studio versions over live versions. But Camel - Captured from "Pressure Points - Live" is better than the studio version. Nice live sound, nice energy and all instruments are very clear. Great guitar. I don't like the drum sound in the studio versions of Nude and Moonmadness, it sounds very isolated, probably recorded in a small studio room. Drafted is nice too, but the singing isn't great. Captured: http://tinysong.com/1jJlS" rel="nofollow - http://tinysong.com/1jJlS |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: September 05 2014 at 19:59
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I think I prefer the live version of Leipzig is Calling by Thomas Dolby (from The Sole Inhabitant). The original is just called Leipzig, and is also good. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: September 10 2014 at 22:21
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This semi-New Wave version of David Bowie's "Life On Mars". I think it captures the feel of isolation better than the original. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 10 2014 at 23:03
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Dark Matter by Porcupine Tree.....one of the European shows...can't recall the place ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: September 11 2014 at 01:01
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The snow goose version in ''a live record'' is a truly masterpiece ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: September 12 2014 at 12:18
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Heavy ConstruKction over The ConstruKction of light. ------------- |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: September 12 2014 at 14:02
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I hated Going for the One until i heard the version on Yesshows. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 12 2014 at 21:05
Actually, that's the version of the album I have and the only one I know. I do enjoy it a lot, but I don't feel the need to go and get the original studio version, it sounds just fine the way it is on "a live record". |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: September 12 2014 at 22:29
Roxy Music – Several tracks from “Viva!” blow their studio counterparts right out of the water. On second thought, make that all of them! 
Kate Bush – The four tracks from her On Stage EP, especially James and the Cold Gun and Them Heavy People. Steve Hillage – Some of the tracks on Live Herald, especially Light in the Sky with its uncredited Close Encounters tag.
Steve Hackett – There was a live version of Air Conditioned Nightmare which was on a 12” single of Cell 151. Just ridiculously good. Camel – Several songs on Pressure Points, especially the ones originally on Stationary Traveller (title track, West Berlin, Fingertips, etc.) ------------- Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. Silly human race! Yes is for everybody! |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: September 13 2014 at 03:42
| Pretty much everything in Kansas' Two For The Show, the band sounds so tight and energetic. And because they had Livgren as a 'joker' who could switch between guitar and keyboards depending on the song, they could sound really full (frequently a problem for bands having a very rich sound in studio is that they could not replicate it live, e.g. Queen). |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 13 2014 at 09:34
 "Doing the right thing is never superfluous." |
Posted By: Usandthem
Date Posted: September 13 2014 at 12:17
| Many Steven Wilson's live performances of his songs in Get All You Deserve are better than their studio versions. |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: September 14 2014 at 18:33
Thanks for the suggestions!! I'd like to add to these pearls above, the just wonderous performance of the awesome song PIRATES live at the Royal Albert Hall - what a show!!! I'm totaly overwhelmed by the fantastic ELP !! ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: dodur
Date Posted: September 15 2014 at 17:42
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Lots of Pink Floyd
Genesis Suppers ready on seconds out is amazing, although the studio remains my all-time fav. The Closet Chronicles live version on The Best of Kansas is far superior to the original. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: September 22 2014 at 15:51
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I have these versions on the Diamond Hard Blue Apples Of The Moon and mediocre sound quality aside, I think a lot of songs from that area were better on there than on Nice. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: September 22 2014 at 17:50
For sure these are really good and interesting suggestions! I'm looking forward to dig The Nice albums, but these with the participation of Keith Emerson are a must!! ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: September 22 2014 at 19:26
| I also prefer the live versions of Triumvirat's songs from Spartacus, "The Capitol Of Power", "The Deadly Dream Of Freedom", and "The March To The Eternal City" recorded live in Los Angeles in '75. They were remastered quite nicely and put as bonus tracks on Friday Music's reissue of Spartacus on CD. The band play incredibly tight, and The Deadly Dream Of Freedom has some tastefull six-string guitar soloing not on the studio version. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 18:44
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I can't believe I forgot this one: ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 01:56
superb album
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: October 12 2014 at 15:53
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Renaissance - Live In Royal Albert Hall With Royal Philharmonic Orchestra ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 12:31
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Yessongs (surprise!) The only songs on there I don't prefer to the studio versions are And You And I and Roundabout; ironic because if you're ever able to SEE them live, AYAI is probably the best experience. ------------- "I like to think oysters transcend national barriers." - Roger Waters |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 12:42
Yeah, the studio overdubs on Yessongs really gives it that "wish you were there" feel  ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 14:47
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 15:08
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Golden Earring's 1977 live cover of the Byrds' "Eight Miles High" is the definitive version. It does a lot more in 10 minutes than their studio version did in 19 minutes (on their 1969 album). "Golden Earring Live" is my favorite live album by the way. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 16:43
Same with the live footage; who wouldn't want to watch Steve Howe's hair whip back and forth like a car wash?  ------------- "I like to think oysters transcend national barriers." - Roger Waters |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 19:30
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This thread needs some VDGG. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 00:58
would be good if you could actually see him
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: October 15 2014 at 00:20
^^THIS^^ |
Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: October 15 2014 at 00:32
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I'm surprised no one has posted Hocus Pocus by Focus ------------- "I like to think oysters transcend national barriers." - Roger Waters |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 15 2014 at 01:34
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^ I think I still prefer the extended studio version although that version is insane How about some Edgar Winter |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 16 2014 at 16:42
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I like live Free Bird over the studio version.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 16 2014 at 16:50
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^There's a studio version? Wow.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 17 2014 at 10:04
Oh, do come along. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 17 2014 at 15:11
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^Never knew they had a live version either.
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: October 17 2014 at 18:15
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The live version of Los Endos from the Seconds Out show - I prefer it pretty much than the studio recording, however I didn't feel the same with Dance on A Volcano (from the same show), the studio version of this song still appeals more to me. ------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 17 2014 at 23:08
About Los Endos, I like much better the live version from Hackett... I think it's the one on Tokyo Tapes (with flute, and perhaps sax too). Actually, I don't really like the original version so much... but this version I really enjoy a lot. |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: October 18 2014 at 00:43
Have to admit the live version from Tokyo Tapes (1996) is quite good... |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: October 18 2014 at 14:33
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^^I have to take a good listening to it again, thanks for reminding.
------------- "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |