Time Travel
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Topic: Time Travel
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Subject: Time Travel
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 17:11
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I saw Back to the Future last night and was inspired to create this thread(although Marty and Doc were only in the 1950s and 1980s). If you had the time to lose an open mind and time to choose when in time would you time travel to? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 17:20
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acourding to Brian Greene it can happen, even With Worm holes or With black holes, pick Your favourite, With Worm holes you travel backwards and With black holes you travel forward. -------------  
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 17:22
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ProgMetaller2112 wrote:Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 18:10
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Time travel is possible. I bet you're doing it right now.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 18:45
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Well, this has been couple minutes I have no interest in reliving. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 20:35
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Interesting that I go from watching the anime Steins:Gate to seeing a thread about time travel. While I'm willing to acknowledge the existence of it, it doesn't seem to have been made possible at this moment, aside from Rob's sarcastic remarks.  ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 21:03
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"The greatest proof that time travel isn't possible is that no future selves have yelled at me to stop messing the heck up." -- T-Rex, Dinosaur Comics ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 23 2014 at 21:06
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Seems to me you wouldn't travel through time, time would travel through you.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 00:07
 Why did you waste your time then? ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 05:47
*Bleeps and bloops of PONG machine* I'd like to revisit everything from pretty much the 60's - 90's. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 24 2014 at 06:05
| Most of the times I put my headphones on is for traveling back to the 1970's. |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 13:14
With wormholes you’re basically punching a hole through space or space/time. Depending on where exactly the other side of the Einstein-Rosen bridge ends up, you should be able to go either forwards or backwards in time. Black holes are a total mystery; they may even lead to another universe. We may be living inside a black hole, no one can say for sure. If space and time are interwoven as space/time, I’d imagine it would be possible to go back in time by going back in space. For instance, to travel back 1 year, you would have to trek to the same exact point in space you were one year ago.
I would not want to go back to earths historical past; it was filled with even more ignorance than today. Mostly I’m inferring to spiritual ignorance or spiritual unawareness. Because of this, barbaric savagery still plagues a lot of our world, but it is getting better. I’d like to take a peak in another 1000 years or so, by then humanity will be either humane or extinct. The music and the technology should be astonishing...
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 18:49
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To visit, I would travel to the far, far future. Probably as far in the future as I could travel while the Earth is still habitable. See if I can run across and Eloi or Morlocks. Then I'd travel back to the 70's and stay there.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 11:14
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Back to mid-May in 1987 to just as I was about to smoke my first cigarette. I'd punch myself right up the bracket & tell me not to do it! My then-me would as a result wonder who the short haired bearded chap was & report my now-me to the local police (in Austria) resulting in my now-me's imprisonment, thus creating a time cycle which I'd probably fall off from as they don't come fitted with stabilisers.  What was the question again? -------------  Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 11:20
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 12:42
| The greatest and funniest time-travel sci-fi story I have ever read is probably the first chapter in Stanislav Lem's The Star Diaries called 'The Seventh Voyage', where protagonist Ijon Tichy's spacecraft goes through a series of 'time vortices' which cause him to coexists with several copies of himself at slightly different times. The story is cleverly woven so that the different versions of him interact with each other without actually creating any obvious paradox. Really funny, read it if you like this sort of stuff. |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 13:24
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The One, starring Jet Li is also a good watch. Li hunts down and tries to kill all variations of himself in alternate universes. Each variation that he kills he gets a little stronger. Li believes that if he kills them all he will become god like, “the one”. Ironically, one variation of himself is a multiverse officer that also gets stronger and seeks to bring him to justice. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 13:54
Black holes and the stuff they are made of are in our universe, their mass bends our spacetime so clearly the stuff is not 'gone to some other universe', it's still in our universe. General Relativity fails at explaining what happens at their center but that's no reason to invoke esoteric speculations. This is not saying black holes are mundane, I tend to think that they hold some relevant 'meaning' in the structure of spacetime which we do not fully understand yet, but we need not speculate beyond what is necessary. And no, we are certainly not living inside a black hole, where did you get that from?
There is no absolute space without time, the universe is expanding, you can not 'go back to 'the same exact point in space you were one year ago', that point in spacetime existed only one year ago and will never exist again (unless the universe is cyclic).
Not so sure...
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 14:15
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"that point in spacetime existed only one year ago and will never exist again." - That is only true if you believe that only the present exists, that the past and future have no existence once we have traveled from the past and until we travel to the future. I'm at point A now in space. If I travel to point B in space, point B existed prior to my arrival there, and point A still exists even though I am no longer there. The same is true of time. I traveled from point A in time to point B in time during the course of this paragraph. Both exist. A doesn't disappear from existence just because I am no longer there. "Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff." - The Doctor ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 14:27
No, you are still thinking of space and time as separate entities, there is only one entity and it is space-time, there are no coordinates in space and no coordinates in time, one coordinates in space-time.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 14:33
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Yes, space and time are one entity, but a coordinate of space-time is not virtual (it appears and disappears almost instantaneously). Space-time is real and space-time coordinates exist even if we are not present at (nor have access to) those coordinates. If coordinate t1,x1,y1,z1 no longer exists as soon as we hit coordinate t2,x2,y2,z2, that would violate relativity. What you are saying is that only one t-axis point can exist based on our perception of when we are. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 14:47
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 14:59
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I understand that if Earth is currently at t1,x1,y1,z1, in the future it will not be at t2,x1,y1,z1, but the x, y and z axes will have changed along with the t-axis and will instead be at point t2,x2,y2,z2. But he seemed to be stating that t1,x1,y1,z1 ceased to exist altogether once t-axis point t2 came into existence. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:03
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I wasn’t inferring that material from this universe gets swallowed up by a black hole and is transported to another universe. Stephen Hawking once suggested that black holes violated the primary law in physics known as the conservation of information until Leonard Susskind posed a different view. My conjecturing is that in a multiverse scenario, black holes may be portals between universes. Similarly to wormholes being passageways in space.
Universes probably come and go all the time. They very well may be cyclical.
I’m not particularly fond of the current big bang theory as it stands today. There are too many holes with shoddy patchwork. Is the universe really expanding? Just because everything seems to be moving away from each other doesn’t necessarily mean the universe is expanding like a balloon. A couple of unanswered questions that I have not found any patchwork for, yet: 1- 1 - If space itself is expanding, what is it expanding into? More space? 2 - If space is expanding then what’s contracting?
Not sure about what? That the world is getting progressively better? If you look back towards recorded history there may be ups and downs but overall it’s in an uptick. |
Posted By: twseel
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:05
I'm sorry if I'm not being clear, I know I'm bad at explaining -------------
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:07
I must have explained myself wrongly or you did not understand me. My reply was to CosmicVibration statement that: 'If space and time are interwoven as space/time, I’d imagine it would be possible to go back in time by going back in space. For instance, to travel back 1 year, you would have to trek to the same exact point in space you were one year ago.' You can not go back to 'the same exact point in space' at a different time. That does not exist. Space exists only combined with time coordinates. The 'exact point in space' you were 1 year ago can not be defined anymore unless you label it as the 'exact point in space-time you were 1 year ago'. |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:08
I wasn’t inferring that material from this universe gets swallowed up by a black hole and is transported to another universe. Stephen Hawking once suggested that black holes violated this primary law in physics known as the conservation of information until Leonard Susskind posed a different view. My conjecturing is that in a multiverse scenario, black holes may be portals between universes. Similarly to wormholes being passageways in space.
Universes probably come and go all the time. They very well may be cyclical.
I’m not particularly fond of the current big bang theory as it stands today. There are too many holes with shoddy patchwork. Is the universe really expanding? Just because everything seems to be moving away from each other doesn’t necessarily mean the universe is expanding like a balloon. A couple of unanswered questions that I have not found any patchwork for, yet: If space itself is expanding, what is it expanding into? More space? If space is expanding then what’s contracting?
Not sure about what? That the world is getting progressively better? If you look back towards recorded history there may be ups and downs but overall it’s in an uptick. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:12
Ah, I misunderstood what you were saying. My bad.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:17
Not at all, that was not my meaning. On the contrary, I tend to believe that 'the future already exists' if you can make correct sense of that statement, which is certainly not obvious and I myself am not really able to explain what does it mean.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:26
Whew. Yeah, that was my point that the past and future both exist even though we are not capable of perceiving them at this particular space-time coordinate. Glad I don't have to try to explain that. Don't think I would be able to either (or should that be I don't think I would can either?)  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 15:28
Space is only expanding because time is moving forward. It expands into nothing, it just gets bigger. There is no need for anything to be contracting. We do not know but there are mathematically solid theories which allow a universe to burst out of nothing (although they demand the laws to exist 'prior' to the physical universe). Another view could be that it is time which is contracting in some sense, we are in a countdown. Or it could have something to do with gravity, the only force which seems to be able to contradict the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and decrease entropy.
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 16:25
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After viewing 5 seasons and almost 50 episodes of Through the Wormhole with various other science programs I’ve come to this conclusion. Science, just like religion, really doesn’t know as to what the hell is actually going on. There are countless opposing theories with more patchwork
than the windows operating system. I really think that when the mystery of gravity is fully understood everything will start to fall into place. Although I have not bought into any of the explanations of gravity so far, this episode of Through the Wormhole was particularly interesting:
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 16:28
That is the best explanation of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and Entropy that I've ever heard. Good job, CV. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 16:50
| Perhaps we can take some LSD and take off into outer space? That could qualify as Time Travel. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 17:03
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Ok, since nobody seems to wants to actually answer the question and all you keep posting is smart responses, I'll be the first one: September 17th 1442 at 21:31 ------------- 
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 17:12
Sorry I must have missed something. What was 'the best explanation of the 2nd Law and of Entropy you ever heard'?
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 18:12
^Epic win. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 18:51
Yea, I missed it too… What I say, what I say? I want to know; unless it’s sarcastic. Actually, I still would want to know. I like sarcasm, even if it’s directed towards me.
There are no wins, just far-reaching and open minded discussions. And maybe some sarcasm.. |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 18:56
I’ve already answered the question on page 1. So, what’s so special about September 17th 1442 @ 21:31? A fond memory from a previous incarnation perhaps? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 21:18
When I first opened up the thread after you had posted about Gravity being an illusion, it showed your post as completely blank. I quoted your post directly and there was nothing in it at first. So yeah, it was a joke. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 21:21
Ok. I'll ask since no one else has. Where? And why? That was pretty dang specific. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 21:52
I believe that was the moment Keith Richards bought his first guitar. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:25
No, it just sounds like a good date. Man I'm the only one answering the damn question and all I get is further questioning  -------------
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:35
My answer from page 1. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:50
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 03:07
Close - it was when Status Quo announced their first farewell tour. ------------- Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 08:32
Yea, that was an excerpt from Through the Wormhole, season 5 episode 7, featured on the science channel. One thing I love about the show is that each episode has top scientists giving different and opposing views on a particular subject matter. Actually, esoteric teachings and Einstein state that our physical reality is merely an illusion. "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." - Albert Einstein
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Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: September 01 2014 at 13:39
This is obviously true, since all information we obtain about the universe is provided solely by our biological senses, which are intrinsically subjective. Even so, given that our idea of reality is directly induced by the "real" reality and its influence on our perception, it is only logical and practical that we accept it as an objective truth. Reality, however, will most likely always be out of reach for the human consciousness. ------------- What about dogs? What about cats? What about chickens? |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 04:48
The "If you had the time to lose, an open mind" was an Iron Maiden reference. Get a clue, man ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 05:09
I'd go back to the late 60's in the UK, form a band and record and release In The Court Of The Crimson King, The Yes Album, Nursery Crime and ELP's debut before the real guys composed them 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 05:16
reminds me of this somehow |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 08:27
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Needless to say I would travel back to the golden era of progressive rock and check out all those bands live.. Then I would travel about 200 years into the future to see if Idiocracy has come true. May not need 200 years, the way things are going..  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 10:16
| I would go back to Liverpool in the late 1950s, learn to play the drums really well and then track down John Lennon and say to him "I hear you're looking for a drummer". |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 11:09
yes I like it chopper poor ringo...------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 11:13
Or, learn drumming from Mike Portnoy first and then making the travel. The Beatles might have been quite a different band, inventing melodic powermetal
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 02 2015 at 11:45
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I would definitely go to the past rather than the future. There are so many unanswered questions about our past simply because you cannot believe half of what's in the history books. I would go back and see if Lee Harvey Oswald really acted alone. Or go back further and see if Roosevelt really knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor in advance. Or go even further back and be standing on the beach with a bunch of Indians staring at three wooden ships and rowboats approaching the shore. I would turn to the guy next to me and ask, "Where the hell did those white guys come from?". In his native tongue of course.
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