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Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?

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Topic: Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?
Posted By: brainstormer
Subject: Your Top Ten Non Prog Bands That are Proggiest?
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:13
What are ten bands that put out the most complex and sophisticated
music that are not considered Prog at all?




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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:41
Not considered prog at all that are complex? Not a clue where to draw the line Tongue Does Led Zeppelin count for example, or do you mean more classical stuff Confused


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 14:58
Jazz.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:49
Seeing as I count pretty much everything I find proggy to be prog its tough to answer this, probably mainly jazz and classical

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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 15:51
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Jazz.

This.


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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 17:44
Ultravox
Yello
Magazine
John Foxx
Al Stewart
ABC
Delerium
OMD
Telex
Thievery Corporation




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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 18:51
The first 10 that came to mind right now, in no specific order:
 
Lalo Schifrin
Loreena McKennitt
Emma Shapplin
Astor Piazzolla
Paco De Lucia
Cirque Du Soleil
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Ennio Morricone
Franco Battiato
Philip Glass
 
At the moment I don't recall others but surely this list would go on and on...


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 22:30
Interesting question.....some of these are probably listed here but I'm too lazy to look.
Embarrassed
 
Simple Minds
Echo and the Bunnymen
Ultravox
XTC
Steely Dan
Spooky Tooth
The Church
Magazine
Be Bop Deluxe
The Flaming Lips
 
 


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 22:35
Proggy music doesn't exist outside of progressive rock IMHO. To answer the question, my favorite non-prog bands/musicians/composers (in no particular order):

1. Shostakovich
2. Ravel
3. Bartok
4. Miles Davis
5. Bill Evans
6. Thelonious Monk
7. The Police
8. Bill Frisell
9. Stan Getz
10. Pat Metheny


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Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:35
Ornette Coleman and Judas Priest come to mind.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 01:19
The Tubes
Elton John
Al Stewart

I will stick with those just for the moment. I'm surprised these are not included in either Crossover or possibly even Prog Folk in Al Stewart's case.


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:41
I'm leaving out all composers that has no relation to rhytmic popular music such as jazz or rock. While (early) Penderecki, Bach, Bartok etc. in no way qualify as a "band" their music is certainly more complex than most on PA. 

I don't have an ultimate list, but here's a ten artists that I'm a big fan of who makes your average progrockin' band sound like Ramones (I'm exaggerating a little for effect). These aren't really bands either but they often performed/conducted a smaller "modern" ensembles and made music resembling RIO/Avant or the more experimental areas of jazzfusion.  

Andrew Hill
Grachan Moncur III
Eric Dolphy
Ennio Morricone (ca. 1965-1978)
Patrice Sciortini
Egisto Macchi
Camille Sauvage aka Eric Framond
Art Ensemble of Chicago
Herbie Hancock
Mccoy Tyner

...also most 60's recording featuring Tony Williams, Richard Davis, Bobby Hutcherson, Cecil McBee. Just follow the drums, bass 'n vibes.

+ Selected albums by Middle Eastern/Asian/Arab/Indian artists such as Tafo Brothers, Baligh Hamdi, (Rahabani Brothers compositions for) Fairuz, Salah Ragab, Omar Khorshid, T.K. Ramamoorthy mm... should tickle the curious progger's ear.



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Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:28
Vanilla Fudge


Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:39
Joni Mitchell.


Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 12:52
Actually, individually is fine, didn't mean to limit it by bands.  Great answers, some new ones to check out.
My first thought is Nico Muhly, a new find.  


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:02
Originally posted by brainstormer brainstormer wrote:

My first thought is Nico Muhly, a new find.  
I loved his debut Speaks Volumes but everything I've checked out after (Mother Tounge and his OST's) were huge disappointments so I've pretty much given up on him. Any reccomendations among the ones I haven't heard?


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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:33
I like "seeing is believing," the only one I've heard so far.  I wouldn't say it's overwhelming, but I haven't
heard his work before.  It reminds me of when I discovered William Bolcom's Violin Concerto, which also
had a Fantasia by him. 


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:39
Ok, thanks that's two titles to investigate. You should seriously check out Speaks Volumes though. I'd even say its kinda overwhelming

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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 13:49
Check out: William Bolcom - Piano Concerto (1976).
Kind of goes in a direction, almost like "rock in parts. 


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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 18:48
How much proggyness would make a non-prog band prog enough to out-prog a nominally prog band that is not so proggy, like the last 30+ years of Genesis or Yes?

(I guessing you are asking what non-prog bands appeals to those with "discerning tastes"?)

Too many modern era jazz bands to mention. Let's say Herbie Hancock in the 1960s, or the best of Chick Corea in the 1970s, although a lot of his stuff is listed here as jazz-prog-rock (?). Newsflash: Chick Corea is jazz, which is not a subgenre of progressive rock. 

Too many classical performers to mention. 

Some Oregon

Some Joni Mitchell.

Some Sting and The Police.

Anyone who practiced the Third Stream with good taste and musicianship, let's say select Don Sebesky.




Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:10
^"Too many classical performers to mention."
 
I'm pretty sure the classical world is still the most unknown given the tremendous amount of compositions since at least three centuries ago.


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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 20:52
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

How much proggyness would make a non-prog band prog enough to out-prog a nominally prog band that is not so proggy, like the last 30+ years of Genesis or Yes?

I really hear that "how much wood would a woodchuck chuck" there  LOL

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:


(I guessing you are asking what non-prog bands appeals to those with "discerning tastes"?)


Yes, exactly.

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:


Too many modern era jazz bands to mention. Let's say Herbie Hancock in the 1960s, or the best of Chick Corea in the 1970s, although a lot of his stuff is listed here as jazz-prog-rock (?). Newsflash: Chick Corea is jazz, which is not a subgenre of progressive rock. 

Too many classical performers to mention. 

Some Oregon

Some Joni Mitchell.

Some Sting and The Police.


I wonder what Sting or the Police you mean, although I can see Copeland has become a legit
composer.   I haven't heard any of his work, though. 

Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:



Anyone who practiced the Third Stream with good taste and musicianship, let's say select Don Sebesky.


Never heard of this "Third Stream" before.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 01:04
The last two albums by the Police have a lot of proggy moments. Sting always used great jazz players in his music. Ten Summoner Tales is the classiest Crossover album since Breakfast In America imo.


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 20:13
Steely Dan
Spirit
Philip Glass
Steve Reich
Astor Piazzolo
Material
Airto Lindsay
early Burt Bacharach
Hans Zimmer
Vangelis
John Serrie
Mark Isham
Shadowfax
Chopin
John Martyn
Bruce Cockburn
Jane Siberry
Martha and the Muffins (M & M)
The Style Council/Paul Weller
Everything But The Girl
The Art of Noise
Cocteau Twins
doves



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Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:01
Red House Painters.  Talk Talk  was an 80s alt rock group before Spirit of Eden.  How about the Cure? I will second Everything But The Girl and The Cocteau Twins.  Everything But The Girl is a group that hit several genres including jazz, acoustic, and techno.  The Cocteau Twins was a group I was following at the same time as Dead Can Dance, so they have that 4AD connection.


Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 23:44
To me if it's not complicated or sophisticated then I can't really see it as prog so in a sense the question doesn't make sense to me. I'll play along anyway though. In no order:


Black Sabbath
Iron Maiden
XTC
The Tubes
Moody Blues
Phish
Allman Brothers
Led Zeppelin
The Who
Talking Heads


Honorable mentions: Bob Dylan, The Fixx, ELO, Deep Purple, the Beatles



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