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Topic: First is Best.
Posted By: 42ndAGE
Subject: First is Best.
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:01
I was wondering how many bands' first album was their best. Spock's Beard The Light comes to mind. I would also put an honorary mention to Starcastle's first, Yes clone that it may be. Any Thoughts? (parts 1 to.......)



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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:09
Nektar - Journey to the Center of the Eye


Posted By: Wallace The Lad
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:28
Wallace was listening to "Fountains of Light" just the other day.
I think its a wee bit better than Starcastle's first.


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:37
Anglagard comes to mind with their album Hyrbis.

Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells is one of his best, and definitely most well known albums. Hard to pick one out among the rest for him, though.


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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:40
I'd say King Crimson, but of course many people disagree when it comes to their best.

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Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 20:44
This is a question I hope no one has an answer for. As we all like to think of our favorite artists improving with time and each successive release. The first album ideally should be a taste of greater highs to come. Unfortunately, that being as it may...

The closest prog-related example I could think of is the first Residents album, but then I remembered Duck Stab is my favorite.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:06
Ignoring bands with only a couple of releases

Comus - First Utterance
Dave Gilmour - s/t
Scorpions - Lonesome Crow

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:11
Originally posted by 42ndAGE 42ndAGE wrote:

I was wondering how many bands' first album was their best. Spock's Beard The Light comes to mind. I would also put an honorary mention to Starcastle's first, Yes clone that it may be. Any Thoughts? (parts 1 to.......)


V was Spock's Beard's best.


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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:20
ELP??? Up in the air

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:27
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

ELP??? Up in the air


Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery are amazing.  The debut is three guys who show their skills independently but find very little cohesiveness.


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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:30
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

ELP??? Up in the air


How'd I forget them. Definitely on this list.

Then again, I'm not a fan of Tarkus. Shocked


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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:32
heh, I'd argue Trilogy for the strongest album.

One other band I've thought of is Mothers Of Invention. I do lean somewhat towards We're Only In It For The Money but Freak Out! was such a fantastic debut, there definitely could be an argument for it being their best.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 25 2014 at 21:35
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Ignoring bands with only a couple of releasesComus - First UtteranceDave Gilmour - s/tScorpions - Lonesome Crow



Lonesome Crow is simply amazing....

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 00:53
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by 42ndAGE 42ndAGE wrote:

I was wondering how many bands' first album was their best. Spock's Beard The Light comes to mind. I would also put an honorary mention to Starcastle's first, Yes clone that it may be. Any Thoughts? (parts 1 to.......)
V was Spock's Beard's best.


Agree.

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 01:01
Anglagard
Kansas
Peter Gabriel
The Nice
Rick Wakeman (but not that piano album!)

struggle to think of other ones


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:24
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

ELP??? Up in the air
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:40
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Peter Gabriel
(...)
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:41


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:46
Kayak - See ee the Sun
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes
The Collectors - s/t



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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:47
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

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Dave Gilmour - s/t
(...)
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 02:48




Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 03:31
Most first albums are suspect, but:

Toward The Sun - Druid
Hybris - Anglagard
The Crossing - Big Country (I know they are not prog, but they have a lot of prog characteristics)

are examples of spectacularly good debuts.

Oh, and Asia's ST debut is much better than the lemon most people rate it as.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 03:55
Very few Prog bands hit the ground running, most take a couple of albums to get into their stride and a lot of the early Prog bands didn't start out as Prog (as we know it). Script For a Jester's Tear was a great début that Marillion equalled but never surpassed; The Enid's In The Region Of The Summer Stars was another. De-Loused in the Comatorium is probably The Mars Volta's strongest album IMO. UK never improved on their eponymous début nor did Renaissance, (again, IMO). I would nominate Transatlantic's SMPTe and Ant Philip's The Geese And The Ghost, but I've not heard much of their other releases.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 03:59
^ Agree.

The answer is Led Zeppelin.




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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:05
Definitely ELP self-titled, first Kansas, Nektar - `...Centre of the Eye', Floyd's `Piper', I.Q `Tales from the Lush Attic', `Marillion's `Script...' and the charming Yes and Jefferson Airplane debuts instantly come to mind for me personally!

Hell yes to works like Anglagard, White Willow, Tirill Mohn, the Flower Kings, Morte Macabre and Paatos `Timeloss' are all modern standouts for me as well


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:22


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:30


Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:36
A few that are my favourites:

Black Sabbath - s/t
The Damned - Damned Damned Damned
The Doors - s/t
Egg - s/t
Steve Hackett - Voyage Of The Acolyte
King Crimson - In The Court Of The Crimson King
Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force
Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Pavlov's Dog - Pampered Menial
Anthony Phillips - The Geese And The Ghost


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:39


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:41
Really? It's great and all, but surely not their best.

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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:44
The Mars Volta- De-Loused in the Comatorium.
Ocean Machine- Devin Townsend
f#a# infinity- Godspeed You! Black Emperor


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 04:52


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:00
Confused Now you're just listing first albums. This is getting silly. Brilliant Trees is better than Secrets of The Beehive or First Day? Phallus Dei is better than Yeti, Tanz or Wolf City? Here Come The Warm Jets is better than Taking Tiger Mountain, Another Green World or Before And After Science? 

Seriously?


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What?


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:07
Actually, my bad too, Dean, I just more or less listed `cool debut albums'    

Will have to offer a streamlined reply of titles!


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:16


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:21
^ Meh, For Your Pleasure has Every Dream Home A Heartache and Bogus Man; Stranded more refined and Country Life was a better Canterbury-influenced Art-Rock album. Stern Smile

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:35


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:38


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:48
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Kayak - See ee the Sun
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes

(...)
Thumbs Up


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:48


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:49
Only including bands and artists that has something resembling an album career:

Originally posted by Xonty Xonty wrote:

Steve Hackett - Voyage Of The Acolyte

In full agreement there.

East of Eden - Mercator Projected
Family - Music in a Dolls House
High Tide - Sea Shanties
Picchio Dal Pozzo - St
Agitation Free - Malesch
Neu! - Neu!
Eider Stellaire - St.
Spirogyra - St. Radiguns
Arthur Brown - The Crazy World of Arthur Brown (I think so)
Heart  - Dreamboat Annie
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
White Noise - An Electric Storm
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim


I've got a few that most will disagree with me. More like personal favorites that I won't defend as actual "best"

ELO - st  / No Answer
Weather Report - St
Return To Forever - St
PFM - Storia di Un Minuto
Captain Beefheart - Safe as Milk
Univers Zero -  st / 1313
Magma - St / Kobaïa



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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 05:54


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:02


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:04


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:07
*sigh*



Another good thread ruined by stupid, idiotic, mindless album-cover spamming. Topic "unwatched". Thanks. Disapprove


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:21
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

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Yes, you do take up extreme amounts of space without contributing much. Although you're always on topic, you sabotage threads exactly like someone spamming. Perhaps you could fit most of your suggestions into one post instead, and not necessarily include the album art for each suggestion? 


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:23


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:23
Yeah this is getting out of handDisapprove

Svetonio: I seem to remember advising you to cut back on the endless 'spamming' (clarification: stop it!). Either you don't read too well - or you simply don't care. Fact of the matter is that you overpost just about every thread you come near with pics and links with little to no communication happening. I know you don't think your English lingo is up to speed, but it'd be nice if you at least made an effort to be part of the community instead of being this lone gunman that clutters everything in spam. Now more than ever does it feel as if you're doing this out of spite, which probably is the poorest platform of all to build anything constructive on.

I think I've given you your 'last' warning 2 or 3 times now, so you probably think of me as a woos who doesn't have the balls to show you the door. Well keep on doing this, and we'll very quickly find out. 


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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:32
Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:32
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

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Hybris - Anglagard
(...)

Oh, and Asia's ST debut is much better than the lemon most people rate it as.
Thumbs Up


Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:36
^ yeah why not post all albums in the same post like everyone else?

Are you trying to increase your post number?


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:41
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Very few Prog bands hit the ground running, most take a couple of albums to get into their stride and a lot of the early Prog bands didn't start out as Prog (as we know it). Script For a Jester's Tear was a great début that Marillion equalled but never surpassed; The Enid's In The Region Of The Summer Stars was another. De-Loused in the Comatorium is probably The Mars Volta's strongest album IMO. UK never improved on their eponymous début nor did Renaissance, (again, IMO). I would nominate Transatlantic's SMPTe and Ant Philip's The Geese And The Ghost, but I've not heard much of their other releases.
 
Good call on TMV, but I'd have to disagree on Renaissance and Transatlantic (Bridge Across Forever trounces the debut imo).


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:48
I am one of those that prefers Fugazi over Script, but then again that seems to be part of the minority (although I think most folks, at least here on PA, largely hear Misplaced Childhood as their defining moment).

I do however think there is some truth to what Dean said about Script never being surpassed only equalled. 


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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:49
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by 42ndAGE 42ndAGE wrote:

I was wondering how many bands' first album was their best. Spock's Beard The Light comes to mind. I would also put an honorary mention to Starcastle's first, Yes clone that it may be. Any Thoughts? (parts 1 to.......)
V was Spock's Beard's best.


Agree.

They are both at the top of the SB catalog. Hard for me to pick one over the other. 


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:50
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
(...)

Heart  - Dreamboat Annie
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
(...)
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim


(...)


^ Not in PA, i.e. not prog.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:53
WTF?Confused


Definitely not the kind of communication I was hoping for, but then again what the feck do I know...


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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:56
fine him £50k and ban him for 10 threads

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:58
I could argue a case for Lone Star's debut, although the follow is brilliant and they only made 3 or 4 albums anyway.
 
Wandering off the prog path slightly, for me the ultimate debut album that was never surpassed is Montrose. Van Halen is another prime example.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 06:59
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

WTF?Confused


Definitely not the kind of communication I was hoping for, but then again what the feck do I know...
Ever felt ignored?


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 07:06
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
(...)

Heart  - Dreamboat Annie
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
(...)
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim


(...)


^ Not in PA, i.e. not prog.

I didn't know PA had rules about not mentioning bands/albums not included in the archive. I'm fully aware these aren't considered prog but the opening poster didn't specify it had to be, so I simply wrote down the ones I could think of. Anyway had all these bands continued in the style of their debut they might actually have been here somewhere. Yes, even Tiny Tim.

I tried to be as polite in my post as possible but I obviously managed to hurt your feelings anyway. That wasn't my intention.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 07:11
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

WTF?Confused


Definitely not the kind of communication I was hoping for, but then again what the feck do I know...
Ever felt ignored?


Occasionally yesLOL 
Then again, I don't expect to get any response from Svetonio. He is mad at me for calling him out for what he is, and yes at times I've been extremely pissed off which my posts probably reflected. What people are unaware of, are the well mannered and friendly mails it all started out with. Simple and kind suggestions on how to behave on a public forum, and something as bizarre as common courtesy. Respecting the people you frequent on this board enough to spare them of your endless spamming, and maybe taking the time out to listen to what others have to say for a change.
Maybe it's just me and the way I was brought up, but when I see patterns of continuously ignoring your surroundings, I get extremely frustrated. 


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 07:12
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:



Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 07:35
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

WTF?Confused


Definitely not the kind of communication I was hoping for, but then again what the feck do I know...
Ever felt ignored?


Occasionally yesLOL 
Then again, I don't expect to get any response from Svetonio. He is mad at me for calling him out for what he is, and yes at times I've been extremely pissed off which my posts probably reflected. What people are unaware of, are the well mannered and friendly mails it all started out with. Simple and kind suggestions on how to behave on a public forum, and something as bizarre as common courtesy. Respecting the people you frequent on this board enough to spare them of your endless spamming, and maybe taking the time out to listen to what others have to say for a change.
Maybe it's just me and the way I was brought up, but when I see patterns of continuously ignoring your surroundings, I get extremely frustrated. 
I'm with you in this case. He's now resorted to posting endless thumbs up instead.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 07:38
Thumbs Up

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:12
I would say Svetonio's first post was pertinent, but the rest were offal. I guess that makes him a one-hit wonder.

As far as initial album releases that were great but the rest of a band's output being mediocre, isn't that par for the course in the recording industry? The path of music history is strewn with the detritus of performers who blew their wad on one release.



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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:25
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
(...)

Heart  - Dreamboat Annie
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
(...)
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim


(...)


^ Not in PA, i.e. not prog.

I didn't know PA had rules about not mentioning bands/albums not included in the archive. I'm fully aware these aren't considered prog but the opening poster didn't specify it had to be, so I simply wrote down the ones I could think of. Anyway had all these bands continued in the style of their debut they might actually have been here somewhere. Yes, even Tiny Tim.

(...)

Yea, the OP does not mention *prog* in the topic title, but this topic is posted in Prog Music Lounge. 
I don't care really if you're going to mention non-prog (i.e. not in PA) debut albums if you like to do so, but if the OP wanted the lists of non-prog debut albums, the topic would be in General Music discussions - where the topic have to go as per PA rules if the others start to follow your example and to post their favorite non-prog debut albums, and it certainly wasn't the OP desires. Get it?




Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:28
^Yes I get it, but i just don't care the way you seem to

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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:32
Another aspect of just posting a pic of an album cover is that, many of them don't have the artists name on the front. I'm certainly not the only one not being familiar with every album from every artist listed in PA. Which makes those posts of no interest at all.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:38
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:



Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;">(...)</span>
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;"></span>
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;">Heart  - Dreamboat Annie</span>
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
(...)
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim
(...)

^ Not in PA, i.e. not prog.

I didn't know PA had rules about not mentioning bands/albums not included in the archive. I'm fully aware these aren't considered prog but the opening poster didn't specify it had to be, so I simply wrote down the ones I could think of. Anyway had all these bands continued in the style of their debut they might actually have been here somewhere. Yes, even Tiny Tim.
<span style="line-height: 17.454545974731445px;">(...)</span>

Yea, the OP does not mention *prog* in the topic title, but this topic is posted in Prog Music Lounge. 
I don't care really if you're going to mention non-prog (i.e. not in PA) debut albums if you like to do so, but if the OP wanted the lists of non-prog debut albums, the topic would be in General Music discussions - where the topic have to go as per PA rules if the others start to follow your example and to post their favorite non-prog debut albums, and it certainly wasn't the OP desires. Get it?



I am always amused by posters who rigidly demand that a certain format be adhered to, but then disregard spamming policies in the same thread, even after admonishments from admins.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:38
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I would say Svetonio's first post was pertinent, but the rest were offal. (...)

Fish RIsing, and/or The Doors are "offal" for you? Give me a break!


Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:45
Tiny Tim was awesome. surely a influence for NU metal? He did not waste quite as much talent and electrictity at IoW '70 as ELP and was equally impressive.

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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:46
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I would say Svetonio's first post was pertinent, but the rest were offal. (...)

Fish RIsing, and/or The Doors are "offal" for you? Give me a break!


Talk about someone unclear on the concept! Again, I bemoan modern reading comprehension, or lack thereof, that requires smiley or winking emoticons to detect sarcasm.

Besides, I don't consider the Doors' first album to be their best album; although it is an impressive freshman release.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 08:59
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

 
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;">(...)</span>
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;"></span>
<span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.2;">Heart  - Dreamboat Annie</span>
Dr. John - Gris Gris
Eurythmics - In the Garden
Yello - Solid Pleasure
Modern English - Mesh & Lace
New Order - Movement
(...)
Tiny Tim - God Bless Tiny Tim
(...)
 
^ Not in PA, i.e. not prog.
 
I didn't know PA had rules about not mentioning bands/albums not included in the archive. I'm fully aware these aren't considered prog but the opening poster didn't specify it had to be, so I simply wrote down the ones I could think of. Anyway had all these bands continued in the style of their debut they might actually have been here somewhere. Yes, even Tiny Tim.
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Yea, the OP does not mention *prog* in the topic title, but this topic is posted in Prog Music Lounge. 
I don't care really if you're going to mention non-prog (i.e. not in PA) debut albums if you like to do so, but if the OP wanted the lists of non-prog debut albums, the topic would be in General Music discussions - where the topic have to go as per PA rules if the others start to follow your example and to post their favorite non-prog debut albums, and it certainly wasn't the OP desires. Get it?

 

I am always amused by posters who rigidly demand that a certain format be adhered to, but then disregard spamming policies in the same thread, even after admonishments from admins.
Actually, in the case that I mentioned these six non-prog debut albums in this thread, I would just get a warning by someone not to mention non-prog albums in this thread.
I'm surprised that I have not yet warned 'cause of mention The Doors, because The Doors are in PA proto-prog section.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:02
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Tiny Tim was awesome. surely a influence for NU metal? He did not waste quite as much talent and electrictity at IoW '70 as ELP and was equally impressive.
LOL


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:04
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Tiny Tim was awesome. surely a influence for NU metal? He did not waste quite as much talent and electrictity at IoW '70 as ELP and was equally impressive.

No Nutter Alert without I'm a Nut (no Sympathy For The Devil without Stay Down Here Where You Belong)

He was a visionary but don't blame him for NU metal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DEoOdcYKbc 

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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:14
I agree. Tiny Tim was the best.  That triple CD set released some years back was one of the greatest albums I have ever heard.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:18
As thrilling as this little derailment has been, then I think it's probably best if we could shimmy on back to the premise of the thread. 
I'm not sure yet whether it's going to be people listing debuts or if we're going to talk about the conditions and surroundings of debuts we consider to be the peak of X band, but I'll wait a wee bit before I chug it over to 'lists'.


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Posted By: thwok
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:18
Are we limiting this forum strictly to prog bands?  If not, any one with a real fondness or nostalgia for the 80's should check out The Cars first album.  It's definitely the best in my opinion.

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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:27
I'm having a very hard time thinking of bands - prog or not - whose first record was their best.

I'm going to have to return later and edit this post.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:38
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

As thrilling as this little derailment has been, then I think it's probably best if we could shimmy on back to the premise of the thread. 
I'm not sure yet whether it's going to be people listing debuts or if we're going to talk about the conditions and surroundings of debuts we consider to be the peak of X band, but I'll wait a wee bit before I chug it over to 'lists'.

As for my own suggestions I might not have any other reason than the obvious: imo they never released a better album. But an advantage a debuting band has with their first album is coming out of nowhere without expectations to meet and all that. I would imagine shoulders are lower, energy is higher and the joy and thrill of just being in a studio (well, back in the day) getting to record an album, realizing your teenage dreams etc. can be heard and felt. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll always turn out great of course, but a band can probably never get that kind of rush or sense of innocence back.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:49
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

As thrilling as this little derailment has been, then I think it's probably best if we could shimmy on back to the premise of the thread. 
I'm not sure yet whether it's going to be people listing debuts or if we're going to talk about the conditions and surroundings of debuts we consider to be the peak of X band, but I'll wait a wee bit before I chug it over to 'lists'.

As for my own suggestions I might not have any other reason than the obvious: imo they never released a better album. But an advantage a debuting band has with their first album is coming out of nowhere without expectations to meet and all that. I would imagine shoulders are lower, energy is higher and the joy and thrill of just being in a studio (well, back in the day) getting to record an album, realizing your teenage dreams etc. can be heard and felt. Doesn't necessarily mean it'll always turn out great of course, but a band can probably never get that kind of rush or sense of innocence back.


This is very true. I often talk about how much I adore the naive in music - the teen rebel "geist" that you often get from debuts.......but yes: sometimes it works - other times perhaps not so much.
NEU!s debut is one of my absolute favourite albums full stop - and it perfectly illustrates the naive and almost childlike coming to effect through the music. It's so simple and unassuming, yet it works (probably also because there are so many layers, when you first get past the overt two or three note 'melody'. There's so much more going down, it's unreal).
75 on the other hand mixes the naiveness of the debut with intermittent post-punk anthems a la Bowie, which by no means are bad, but they ruin the flow of things and thus leaves the debut that more towering. There's a fluid feel there they never succeeded in reproducing.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:50
Originally posted by thwok thwok wrote:

Are we limiting this forum strictly to prog bands?  
 
 
I think we just discussed that.


Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:52
I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.

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Posted By: La nouvelle terre
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 09:58
Robert Fripp- Exposure


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 11:25
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

I am one of those that prefers Fugazi over Script, but then again that seems to be part of the minority (although I think most folks, at least here on PA, largely hear Misplaced Childhood as their defining moment).

I do however think there is some truth to what Dean said about Script never being surpassed only equalled. 

I too prefer Fugazi to Script, but Seasons End is even better than either. I suppose that could be regarded as the debut of the "new" Marillion.



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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 14:30
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Kayak - See See the Sun
Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes

(...)
Thumbs Up

Kayak's 2nd and 3rd albums are even better imo although the first 4 Kayak albums are all great.








Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 14:49
Why I chose the debut albums that I have chosen? 
Hendrix' debut is a LP that changed rock music in general & forever.
Brian Eno's debut album -  Eno didn't repeat such an explosion of creativity than on his debut album. Imo, Eno did do great things later, but not as a solo; it was as a producer and as a (glorious) contribution to other people's albums. And even at the debut of that great contributor Mr Eno - there's one of the greatest Fripp's solos ever.
The Doors - of course, 'cause of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4" rel="nofollow - The End  
Hilllage's debut - the greatest English space rock guitarist at his heydays created an album without a weak moment. 
Phallus Dei is a new-grown, fresh and bold for your pleasure.
Alan Persons Project's debut - I think that a comment is unnecessary.
Memories Serves - early 80s NYC at its best.
The debuts of Yugoslavian progressive rock bands Time, Pop Mašina and Leb i Sol - well, you have to trust me in this case.
I am sorry if I forgot something.




Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 14:59
^Perfect! Ten debuts + a little explaination and it only takes up a couple of centimeters of my screen. Keep posting like this   

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 15:45
Oh and I forgot Briliant Trees - I chose this album because I love Jon Hassell's trumpet so much; also, there's Roxy Music's debut 'cause of 1) beautiful 'tron on Ladytron;  2) I love that spacey sax on Chance Meeting and 3) Mr Ferry's voice at Sea Breezes which is THE best song by them (imo).
Unorthodox Behavior is one of the best English jazzrock LPs released in '70s and for sure the best moment of Brand X.
Tony Wiliams Lifetime's Emergency! is a revolutionary LP regarding jazzrock in general.







Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:18
A bit of a cheat I know, but Genesis' debut as a trio And Then There Were Three is the best the band recorded in that incarnation. Geek


Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 19:55
Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.

I agree, one hell of a debut, but the best? I don't know. There's a lot of competition there even from his most recent.

I'll also second Dean's opinion about the Script as Marillion's best (I don't know anything about the Hogarth era, I must admit).


Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: August 26 2014 at 23:57
ELP's debut for sure. That's probably the only one I can think of. Gentle Giant's debut is very under rated imo but I wouldn't call it their best.


Posted By: PJ20
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 02:31

GnR-- Appetite for destruction 



Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:42
Some post-rock:

Mogwai - Mogwai Young Team
Alcest - Souvenirs D'un Autre Monde
Ulver - Bergtatt: Et Eeventyr i 5 Capitler
Linda Martini - Olhos de Mongol


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Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:44
Originally posted by PJ20 PJ20 wrote:

GnR-- Appetite for destruction 



I wasn't aware that GnR were a prog band... Wink


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:52
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:

I don't know about 'best' but Steve Hackett's Voyage of the Acolyte is an absolute classic. Of course, he has made many fine albums through the years, but this is some hell of a debut.

I agree, one hell of a debut, but the best? I don't know. There's a lot of competition there even from his most recent.

I'll also second Dean's opinion about the Script as Marillion's best (I don't know anything about the Hogarth era, I must admit).

Exactly, there are too many great Hackett albums for Voyage to be considered his best. BTW, I really dislike Marillion, especially Hogarth's vocal work, but I don't find Fish's much better.


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 08:56
Originally posted by PJ20 PJ20 wrote:

GnR-- Appetite for destruction 


Oh dear.Unhappy


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: August 27 2014 at 18:34

    Prog by everyone’s definition (these are, in fact, my favorite albums by these bands): 

Timeloss—Paatos

UK—UK

Space Shanty—Khan

The Dark Third—Pure Reason Revolution 

Spectrum of the Green—Retrospective

Ágaetus Byrjun—Sigur Ros

Todd Rundgren’s Utopia—Utopia

ELP—s/t

De-loused in the Comatorium—The Mars Volta

Overground Music—After Crying

Diagonal—s/t

Choirs of The Eye—Kayo Dot

Moving Gelatine Plates—s/t


   The progressive but not so prog:

The Doors—s/t

America—s/t

Dreamboat Annie—Heart

Tales of Mystery and Imagination—Alan Parsons Project

The Cars—s/t

Boy—U2

The Hurting—Tears for Fears

Welcome to the Pleasuredome—Frankie Goes to Hollywood

Brilliant Trees—David Sylvian

Steve McQueen—Prefab Sprout

s/t—The Dream Academy

Faith—George Michael

Strange Kind of Love—Love and Money

Little Earthquakes—Tori Amos

Ten—Pearl Jam

Extra Virgin—Olive

West Indian Girl—s/t

Lost Souls—doves




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Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 18:12
Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

Ágaetus Byrjun—Sigur Ros


Actually Ágaetis Byrjun was Sigur Rós's second album, their debut being Von.


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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: August 28 2014 at 22:31
Originally posted by PrognosticMind PrognosticMind wrote:

I'm having a very hard time thinking of bands - prog or not - whose first record was their best.

I'm going to have to return later and edit this post.


Actually, I could name many - outside of prog. What this topic has done though is made me realize just how rare it is within the prog genre. Really interesting...



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