Did Punk Rock really kill Prog Music?
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Topic: Did Punk Rock really kill Prog Music?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Did Punk Rock really kill Prog Music?
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:43
| In 1973, ELP released it's most successful album Brain Salad Surgery. In 1974, Genesis released The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway and A Trick Of The Tail in 1975. Also in 1975, Renaissance released Scheraherazade And Other Stories. Yes released Going For The One in 1976. All of the noted are considered high watermarks for the groups that created them before the explosion of Punk Rock in the late nineteen seventies, when record labels such as Virgin, which owed it's success to Mike Oldfield, signed up Punk and New Wave acts there after. Progressive Rock groups were said to be pushed by record labels to be 'more commercial' in sound and became a hybrid of pop and prog, while Metal Music acts were not forced to compromise their sound. But did Punk Rock really kill off Progressive Rock or did Progressive Rock hit it's pinnicle in the mid seventies and was starting to decline anyway? Or was it a combination of both or was neither the case? |
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:49
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I think it's a combination of factors. The old dinosaurs of the 1969-19776 era could not maintain their peak level any longer, they have released classic masterpieces for some years; just a few bands would reach their peak yet (like Rush). Punk/New Wave did not kill Prog; it was a blow, but not a death blow. Prog was knocked out for a number of years. ------------- 
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:51
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Prog killed itself...
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:53
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I'd have to say it's a little bit of everything, TBH. Prog peaking, as well as the new Punk Rock style coming into play - and those bands/demographic despising what prog was to begin with. A cumulative effect that helped push Prog out the door that it was already tripping over itself and heading out of, anyway. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:55
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lucas wrote:Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 09:56
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If anything killed prog (debatable), it was disco, not punk. I think it's a mistake to believe that punk was as influential and global a force as journalists tend to characterize it nowadays. There were a few localized scenes where the influence was felt very strongly, but on the whole, punk had little impact on high level music business decisions. Disco had a more tangible and immediate impact on prog bands because there was no longer as much of a demand for live music - DJs spinning records became a more popular (and cheaper) alternative. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:07
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:10
 ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:10
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:18
I explicitly remember John Liden talking about how his least favorite bands were Yes, ELP, etc. I'm going to dig up that interview. I'm not directly implying that that's a reason against the disco argument, but I do feel the Sex Pistols has a large impact overall with Prog heading out.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:24
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Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:24
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I've thought about this for decades now. You can't just say that one form of music came and destroyed another form of music. The music by itself doesn't do anything. Rather, the fans changed. Robert Fripp noted that in the sixties, fans expected rock music to be the "voice of god." Progressive rock tried to live up to that by being a voice worth listening to. But it was incredibly idealistic, and I think it was hard to keep that idealism up forever. Midway through the seventies, I think everyone realized that it took more than a record to change the world, and the whole generation got a little older, stopped sitting in front of their record players all day, got jobs, and had kids. Meanwhile, a subsequent generation wanted to distinguish itself. It couldn't get more complex and idealistic, so it opted for image (disco) and attitude (punk). The pretension of the punks was that they were more "authentic" than the prog rockers. In retrospect, this was just another marketing ploy. ------------- sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:24
No
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:25
I realized I'd misspelled his name after editing that post twice .I do recall that VdGG mention, actually. Here's the clip with Lydon saying they used to despise ELP, Yes, and even The Allman Bros., on a show featuring the Allman Bros. as a guest act later on (2:26ish):------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:37
| Pretentiousness and self-indulgence did it. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:43
As an aside, I've been into punk longer than I've been into prog. My memories of being a punk fan in the early 80s are filled with isolation, alienation, and loneliness. I was definitely not into anything remotely popular. That's probably why it puzzles me to now read about how punk was some big "movement". From my perspective, it wasn't - it was a bunch of atomized clumps of discontent. If you were lucky enough to live in NYC you'd have some friends who liked it too, but most people didn't have that. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:47
This is incredibly insightful; thank you for sharing your personal experiences with that time-frame! It's always interesting to me to read things like that from people who actually LIVED through it. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Hans il mercante
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:49
Perfect explanation of the rise and fall of Prog music.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:49
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:54
This is fantastic. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:56
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Punk was definitely a backlash to the excesses of some prog bands (and Rick Wakeman probably more than anyone). Punks wanted to get away from the "you must have studied at the RCM and be able to solo for 10 minutes in at least 5 different time signatures" mentality and made music that anyone could make despite a complete lack of talent or training. They were often unsuccessful in life, alienated from the rich and successful, and they wanted to administer an offensive gesture to the rest of the world. Often by spitting on them, as I recall. Did punk kill prog? To some extent, but not without a lot of help from prog itself. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 10:58
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:08
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18089&PN=1" rel="nofollow - Did Punk really kill prog all that much?http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40195" rel="nofollow - Did the Punks killed Prog Rock?http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50273" rel="nofollow - So punk killed the prog did it ?http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21412" rel="nofollow - Did Sesame Street kill Prog?http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=97426&PN=5" rel="nofollow - When Punk was Dead------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:12
Most of this thesis stems from pictures like this talk about a feather turning into 10 chickens. ... like Steve explained, Punk as a 'movement' or 'style' very quickly went away - or in most cases metamorphosed to something more elaborate, in some even mimicking the same sort of experimentation as you'd encounter in prog. Today we call this post-punk, but what that really means is basically just what came in the wake of those early Chuck Berry-at-the-speed-of-light acts. I grew up with a lot of old punkers - folks who were there from the very beginning - and none of em can relate to the stories they've read about the history of their much adored music. Most of them say that the history of punk was and continues to be written by people with rose-tinted glasses who never lived it. As for why prog 'went away'. It had played itself out imo. It branched into new territories like RIO and the avantguarde scenes....in some cases even bridging punk and itself with acts like Here & Now and Cardiacs. Anyways, I gather most of the genuine progressive rock by that time (77-78) were delivered by bands such as Chrome, Suicide, Pere Ubu and The Fall - all acts who widely are considered part of the post-punk scene. They were now the pioneers of rock - the very people pushing the envelope....just like Yes and Genesis had done 7 or 8 years earlier.....only by 77 Prog Rock had turned quite predictable and caricature-like. Either way, we, the audiences, just stopped listening to and buying prog albums. Had we(I wasn't born though) kept on buying them - we would probably still be listening to Roundabout on the radio.....but we don't.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:16
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:24
I think he's suggesting that we've had this discussion many many times before ...and that he's already said what he wanted to say in either of those threads. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:27
I intimate nothing. I post these links to where this subject has been discussed to death in the past. Read them at your leisure. The consensus in these threads is generally that the answer is "No" One of them is a Poll, this is the result:
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[22.73%]Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 11:28
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Punk did not kill prog, it was just pushed out of the mainstream and into the underground, where it has simply grown organically forever since, far from the shining light of the petty media that did a lot to mock it in 1977-1978. The music press was brutal (NME, MM, Creem, Trouser Press, RS and many more) in particular that scumbag Lester Bangs. Even local journalist were nasty (In Montreal, Rodriguez and Mann). ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 12:07
Funny: I'm younger than you, but I'm also fed up with these debates.  |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 12:18
 I'd agree with the statement that one genre can't kill another. In fact, the idea that a genre can "die" is pretty vague. Does it mean that few or no people are making prog right now? Does it mean that few or no people are making good prog right now? Does it mean that few or no people are listening to prog right now? Where is the line that, when crossed, indicates the death of a genre? Really, you just have people in this equation: people who create music and people who listen to that music. If the death of prog means a decline in popularity among listeners, it's simplistic to insinuate that only a small fraction the first group was primarily responsible for the mass choices of the latter group regarding a completely disparate musical movement. There were lots of musical movements to distract (disco was mentioned), lots of different kinds of listeners, changes in prog itself. The best, simplest statement that can accurately be made is, "the times change, man."  ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 12:49
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This is a new thread? Yes, Video killed Prog. I am imagining all this Prog music I keep on listening to (made post 1976) . ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 13:48
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In my country, punk and new wave were destroyed Yugoslav progressive rock as much as they could. It was a really big hysteria. The rock journalists in the national press who were writing whole series about the prog bands, during overnight they changed their clothes, got a haircut and went to celebrate the punk crowd. Well-know Yugoslavian film director was even made a film titled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Promising_Boy" rel="nofollow - The Promising Boy (1981) about the punk rocker(s) in Belgrade. In the film, there were starring both well-know Yugoslavian actors and these punk rockers who were already the stars in alternative venues and in zines at that time. Aside of documentaries films about the punk rock, "The Promising Boy" was one of the first feature films about the punk aesthetic ever made. (English subtitles) Of course, the great bands like SMAK and LEB I SOL were keep their fans, there wasn't any problem with that, but the punk (post-punk, new wave) destroyed any desire of upcoming, young bands to play anything else than punk, post-punk and new wave. And that was the worst thing actually. Yugoslavian post-punk rockers were released some excellent albums in the genre, but the final consequences of that devastation from 80s are evident even today. Although prog as a genre is already rehabilitated - thanks to Prog Metal - the organizers of the gigs of foreign bands rarely organized concerts of progressive bands; it's easy to understand when you consider that as "trend setters" & hipsters as well, they belong to the generation that grew up listening to punk and new wave only. So they organize the gigs of mostly punk rock bands, garage rock bands from mostly Detroit scene, also they like to bring here a lot of americana, some new blues artists, grunge, Exit Festival in Novi Sad is "reserved" for British alt.rock acts which no one listens in Serbia but the festival get a lot audience from UK and that's all. Of course, except of gala events as the concerts of the legends as well, e.g. Peter Gabriel who played So in its entirety. However, it seems that it's gonna to be changed. At the recent concert of Belgrade's progressive electronic artist http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7256" rel="nofollow - WO0 , I've heard that very young local kids say the word "prog" with a high respect. |
Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 13:53
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I didn't read all the responses above... but I'm fairly certain that the universally accepted answer is: the combination of RUSH's 2112 back cover photo and Rick Wakeman on Ice. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 14:35
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 14:38
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Did the term Neo-Prog spring up in the mid-80s? ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 14:53
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 14:58
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No but Video did kill the Radio Star in the 80s . Prog never died , neither did punk. ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 15:00
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 15:17
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 15:22
| For myself, I never heard of Neo-Prog as a term until I joined PA. Like some others have said, I don't think the strength of Punk was that great where I lived. It may have been different elsewhere. Rush did fine in the 70s. Zappa did fine in the 70s. Others did too, and, although I do think there was a overall fall from a golden age, I don't like the idea that it played itself out. To me, what changed was that the 68-74 batch of Prog bands were spawned by an underground that was no longer functioning to replenish the vitality of the genre. More arena bookings helped Yes, ELP, Genesis and others. They weren't helping Prog overall as a genre. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 15:22
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^Prog: Does it prefer Warm Or Cold climates?
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 15:44
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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 16:51
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Prog was a sitting duck by 1976 - it was the bourgeois class controlling the FM airways (or the means of production....production of cash from the teenage wasteland class)....it was by then pampered (Floyd could have released ANYTHING post-Dark Side.....think Metal Machine Music), bloated (Topographically bloated....the side long epic had become the norm), and about as far away from the three chord bounce of the roots of rock 'n roll as you can get (when Bloodrock and Styx start copping Bach, then something's gotta give). There have been some good points brought out in this thread, but something that also occurs to me is that 1976 is the year the VCR, cable TV and Atari video games really began taking hold of the teenage zomboids (that's exactly what we were!!). No longer was sitting alone in a room with a doob and Relayer the norm.....watching movies, taping them with VCR, playing video games......all this became the new thing to do (not for me, luckily - no tv in the house, just a hi-fi). And punk rock spelled the future.....for a back to basics movement, it really was tied up with these tech advances - I never owned a cassette tape until the Talking Heads early albums - it just seemed to point to "the new", especially when that punk stuff started sounding "proggy" (there was an Ultravox thread out there - the electric drums, synths and electronic sounds.....punk adopted the electronic edge of prog, then the dreamy/druggy space rock, finally Talk Talk! Where was I....? Anyway, punk was just a natural reaction to the domination of prog by the mid-70s.....just as Marie Antoinette had to be beheaded, so did ELP. It was just a natural progression - a dialectic born of aversion to excess and a return to simplicity -nothing new, same old slave becomes master becomes slave becomes master....punk got pushed aside by its spawn - New Wave; New Wave got pushed aside by Grunge; Grunge gave way to Hip-Hop......and it's all corporate (change means a whole new wardrobe, music collection, electronic gadgets, accessories....eeeeek!). Man, sorry guys....friends don't let friends drink and type. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Gallifrey
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 17:00
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All genres go through their natural progression from simple and basic to complex and interesting, as they grow with their audience. The early 60's saw rock music as we know it come through, and it was simplistic and rather uninteresting, because it was aimed at teenagers and made by teenagers, but as those teenagers matured they made more interesting music, as evident by The Beatles' change to complexity in their later years, then bands like Crimson and Floyd took it up and went even further. But by the late 70's, there were a bunch of new teenagers who wouldn't listen to that, because it wasn't made for them anymore, it was "dad music", so punk came along. But remember, punk went through a very similar transition - starting off simplistic and raw, as those teenagers grew up they matured, and along came post-punk and gothic rock and darkwave. Same with hip hop - it was originally pretty juvenile, now we have stuff like Kanye West, Madlib and Death Grips, being progressive and interesting. I feel that this "new wave" of prog is simply the same thing happening to the alt-rock of the early 2000's. The bands that played stuff like grunge are getting bored with it and making more complex music, and it sort of kind of resembles prog rock in a way. I guess the question really depends on how you define "prog music". If you define it as the symphonic prog style of Yes and Genesis, then punk sure could have killed that, since none of the bands playing it today are any good, but it certainly didn't kill "progressive music" as an idea, and it even became somewhat progressive in its later days.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 17:59
| Maybe not single handedly but it definitely was a factor in prog being virtually removed from the mainstream music world in the late seventies. The funny thing is punk itself didn't last very long in the mainstream. I think just the musical climate in general was changing. Prog went very very underground. I'm not really sure where it stands now. It's not mainstream but it's not currently what I would call deep underground either. |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 18:30
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 19:03
Bullsh*t! One of the great lies spread by mediocre journalists. They weren't pretentious, they were talented and creative and that pissed off those who weren't. They weren't self indulgent, they were artists expressing themselves in a manner that was appropriate at the time. All the lies about these two terms can be explained away by simply stating that the antics of our heroes, whether murdering Hammond organs or wearing makeup and batwings around their necks or firing lasers into the air to freak out the audience, were all meant to entertain. Get over it ! ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 19:05
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Prog Music, The Barbarians and the Fall of the Roman Empire. I like to relate present day things to past events or institutions. It gives me a reference for modern events. I always seem to be relating Progressive Rock to the Fall of the Western Roman Empire in 476 C.E. Not that Prog has or will fall but the feeling or impression seems the same to me. The golden Era of Rome was well past when the old Empire was split into the latin speaking Western Empire still ruled by an Emperor in Rome and the Greek speaking Eastern Empire ruled by it's own Emperor in Costantinople (modern day Istanbul, Turkey). The Western Roman Empire was at first involved with multiple wars with barbarian Goths to the north and east, Huns to the North West and Vandals that had captured all of the Empire's Northern African colonies. After a period of slow decline added by civil wars, the Barbarians had come to win victories against the Western Romans and had risen to positions of power within the Western Empire. Right up to the Emperor's court, including high ranking military commanders. Can you recognise the "Barbarians" that have reached within Progressive Music's court? |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 19:35
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I find Gallifrey and Freyacat's responses the most reasonable and close to my own. The music-buying public is very fickle and prone to trends, fads, and manipulation. Most people buy and listen to music simply because they enjoy it, and at base, it is the rhythms and melodies that attract them. Punk was one response to the excesses of Prog; its fans and creators also did not like people telling them what they should listen to. It seems that nowadays most people don't care about that, but I could be wrong (let me know if I am). I have seen a couple of movements in rock to simplify and get back to the basics. Punk and New Wave were the first, Grunge the second (responding to hair-metal bands). So, we can't entirely blame The Sex Pistols and Ramones, nor can we place it all on Donna Summers and the BeeGees. We can also place blame on Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran. There are very few cases when any big movement, whether in popular culture or otherwise, can be attributed to any one person or other movement. It is almost always a combination of elements.------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 19:39
| ^I'm very much for this broad range approach but find it surprising that so few people put any blame on the record industry itself as if it was an innocent party to all of this. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 20:19
| Prog generally speaking isn't radio friendly. It doesn't fit into the format for radio because the songs are too long and it goes over the head of your average music listener. For this reason it will never have much more than a cult following. This doesn't mean it should be super obscure either(I think this site proves that)but it's never going to be super huge. It was buried by other genres because of it's lack of radio friendly appeal. I do think there is a lot of prejudice about the genre though. Spock's Beard had an album in the late nineties called "Day for night" that could have had a commercial impact because it was radio friendly(same thing with PT's two albums around the same time period) but because they were and are thought of a prog band it was overlooked. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 20:55
 Or how about rock becoming prog rock being signified the rise of Julius Caesar and the abolition of the Roman Republic? Or how about rock music, including prog, being the barbarians that ravaged the empire of classical music that, obviously, we should all be extolling? The barbarian comparison is a little hyperbolic methinks. Punk musicians and fans weren't uneducated or unthinking (nor did they raid villages), they just made and listened to (respectively) comparatively simpler music. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 21:09
I'm with you on this JD. I remember reading about all the grief Ian Anderson went through from music critics/journalist alike during The Passion Play album release. It's amazing how 'off' some individuals can be. Prog will always be the most amazing and creative form of musical expression and to be honest I think nothing has really killed it. Prog album sales are up too. Just ask InsideOut records. A label celebrating 20 years this year. :) ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 21:25
Why would KC changing styles imply a depletion of Prog Rock ideals? If anything they were sticking to their ideals of constant reinvention in the 80's, much more so that their later albums. They were in fact still progressing. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 21:40
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Prog died from autoerotic asphyxiation. ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 21:41
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1910: music started ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 02 2014 at 22:53
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I believe prog, and rock in general, was killed by the band BostonStyxREOJourneyBadCompanyForeigner. They started playing that bullsh*t on every rock station and everything went to hell. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 01:03
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 02:12
I'd say cold-- it keeps the progress fresh. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 02:43
| That's too easy: prog hit its peak in the mid to late '70s, but, no, punk shlock didn't kill off prog (How silly!); it only diverted the attention of youngsters elsewhere who otherwise might have given prog a go. As surely witnessed by this blog site, others took their place. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 04:01
This. PWEI - Prog will eat itself. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 07:34
For all the torrents of verbiage that have been produced about this subject on PA I think this is the closest anyone has come to nailing it. ------------- "And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!" "He's up the pub" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:21
And despite their stereotype, most barbarians were not uneducated, did not raid villages to start off with (save the Huns) and were far from unthinking. Most people I know, and probably yourself, are a descendent of some form of European Germanic or Nordic 'barbarian' culture or tribes. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:22
| As many said before, it was a combination of factors. As many other genres, what we call prog survived, like jazz, classical, etc, due to the fact that is music to be appreciated. Genres like disco and others did not have such luck, due to the fact that substantially, the music did not have very much to offer, nor did it contribute to the development of music itself. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:36
 Unless you mean the one about recognize the Barbarians reaching within Prog's "court." You kind of have to agree with the comparison to answer the question, and I don't quite. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:43
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:44
| ^Would Death growls in a prog song not qualify as a 'barbarian' influence? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:46
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:47
^We're talking about metal now? 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:47
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How did we get here? I'm lost.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:50
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 08:52
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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:03
The Barbarian Goths are coming to eat your sanity from your mind!!  ------------- Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:06
^ I am one of the Barbarian Goths.  Kneel before me, heathen.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:07
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:08
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:13
And some EX/Tech groups like Cynic did employ growls at one time and others still do. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:40
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:49
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This thread officially got awesome just for the sake of observing the comments now . ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 09:55
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 10:39
| Theres a metal head who lives next door to me. I was surprised to find out he doesn't seem to know much about progressive metal. When I mentioned it he asked me if that was like Yngwie Malmsteem or Joe Satriani. My response was something like "yeah, kind of." Then I had to explain to him about Queensryche, Dream Theater, Symphony X etc. He did seem to recognize the name Opeth though. :) So I don't know how popular prog metal is when a hardcore metal fan has to struggle with figuring out what it is. This guy is 39(still a few years younger than me)so maybe it's mostly the younger metal fans who are hip on prog metal I don't know. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 10:40
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:18
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Queenryche, Dream Theater and Symphony X have been around for some 25 years, so blame it on your neighbour - not on metalfans in general. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:23
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Very surprised that a 39 year old American is not aware of Queensryche. They got very heavy FM and MTV play around the time of Empire. |
Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:29
A metalhead who isn't familiar with Opeth, Dream Theater or Queensr˙che is no true metalhead... Are yoy sure he isn't just one of those whiny metalcore fans? They seem to be everyhere these days ------------- What about dogs? What about cats? What about chickens? |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:33
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I don't know a ton of metalheads, but the ones I do know know prog metal, and know enough people who like prog metal to feel that Dream Theatre is overrated. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music
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Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 12:43
And then there are the ones who vehemently deny that DT are even metal at all ------------- What about dogs? What about cats? What about chickens? |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 13:01
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Prog is no more dead than "prog is dead" threads.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 13:20
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 13:49
| <akerfeldt>Prog is deaaaaaad</akerfeldt> |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 13:50
If prog is not dead , and I did not intimate that it was (resuscitated perhaps), where is it going? |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:05
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:06
This. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:20
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Posted By: Archeus
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:24
And what about the awfully impeccable production? Just no... This, on the other hand, is TRUE metal: ------------- What about dogs? What about cats? What about chickens? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:27
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^Hannibal is at the gates!!
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:34
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On the other hand, "..Most pure metals are either too soft, brittle or chemically reactive for practical use. Combining different ratios of metals as alloys modifies the properties of pure metals to produce desirable characteristics...." -- wikipoopia ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: MellotronGhost
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:36
| Prog did appear to be past its best - although Genesis were becoming neo-prog during this period until Abacab in 81 when they morphed again and became a pop band. However, this hiatus ended when IQ came along in 85 and brought us their debut The Wake. Since then, neo-prog has got better and better. Stand outs are Seven by Magenta in 2004, Posthumous Silence by Sylvan in 2006 and On The Road by Minor Giant in 2014. There is so much high quality prog around now - it makes me glad to be alive! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:36
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 03 2014 at 14:40
Well said.
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