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Topic: The Emerald Dawn
Posted By: Ally Carter
Subject: The Emerald Dawn
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 21:42
The Emerald Dawn, a symphonic progressive rock band based in Cornwall, UK, will be officially releasing their eagerly-awaited debut album, Searching for the Lost Key, on October 8th, 2014



http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/



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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 21:44


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 22:03


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 22:25
No samples at all on bandcamp. Ermm
 
Just two on soundcloud (one of which isn't on the album), so are the old myspace samples of these four songs representative of the finished versions (they are actually dated 2011 on myspace)?
 
There is a long-running thread in the Unsigned Bands forum for this artist, with some YouTube videos: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90733" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=90733 , but a number of other links (some soundcloud samples for instance) are now dead.
 
If the myspace samples are indeed old versions of the songs that finally made it on to the album, then we will probably have to wait until the bandcamp links go live (I assume in a couple of weeks time) before an evaluation can be carried out. The myspace tracks sound decent enough to my ears however, so hopefully these can be used: https://myspace.com/theemeralddawn/music/songs" rel="nofollow - https://myspace.com/theemeralddawn/music/songs .  Smile
 
Edit: The myspace versions of the four songs on the album have different timings to those posted above, so are probably not the finished versions.


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 22:28
Hi Yam Yam, The Myspace samples are old versions. Only 'Shadow in Light', on Soundcloud, is on the album.


Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 22:36
Yeah - I eventually kinda worked that out after a while. Embarrassed So, unless you can provide samples in advance directly to the team(s) via private message, it seems that we will have to wait a bit longer before proceeding with this. Perhaps you could 'bump' the topic when the bandcamp stream goes live? I will keep my eye on it anyway, though. Wink


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 03:26
October 8th, 2014 is a full moon:



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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 04:31
Shadow in the Light sounds like a good fit for our Symphonic sub but ideally the team would want more samples of the work


Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 04 2014 at 09:08
If things follow the normal course of events with artists using the bandcamp platform, we should be able to stream the rest of the album on there when it is officially released on Wednesday. Smile


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 07 2014 at 13:22
"Searching for the Lost Key", the The Emerald Dawn's debut album, is available from tomorrow (October 8th, 2014):

http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/

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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 07 2014 at 15:40
Thanks Ally!  Thumbs Up
 
I'll be having a slice or two of this with my breakfast, all being well!  Big smile


Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 05:11
LOL!  No stream on bandcamp. Cry
 
Breakfast consisted of just tea and toast.  http://www.sherv.net/" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 09:23

RELEASED TODAY

"Searching for the Lost Key" is the debut album from multi-instrumentalist, symphonic progressive rock trio, https://www.facebook.com/TheEmeraldDawn" rel="nofollow - The Emerald Dawn .

To mark its release, here is a photo of Tree Stewart (keyboards, flute and vocals), with her paintings for the album, holding the finished CD.

"Searching for the Lost Key" is now available here:


http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/

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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 09:42
Nope - still no stream whatsoever on bandcamp. All tracks on the album have the usual streaming links missing. Ermm


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 10:10
Hi Yam Yam, We're not currently planning on releasing digital downloads. I'm sure that you pay for your music. But for every download purchased, 8 are obtained for free. And those who think that they are being radical by saying that all music should be free don't do anything to provide musicians with free studio time, nor with free food! And it costs a lot of money to make an album. Musicians need to get at least some of that money back. Because some musicians are millionaires doesn't justify consigning other musicians to abject poverty. So we're not enthusiastic about providing low-quality mp3s to the 'Give Me' generation of free riders!


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 10:29
Thumbs Up samples sounded good to me - CD purchased Approve

Definitely Prog, don't know which team should evaluate them for inclusion because I haven't heard the whole album but Symph is possible. 


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 11:04
Thanks for clearing that up Ally - It's just that usually with artists who use bandcamp as a distribution platform, the tracks are available to listen to before you buy them (either the digital files or the CD). The samples on myspace are old versions, and only one finished track from 'Searching for the Lost Key' can be heard on soundcloud. I was thinking that the low quality bandcamp streaming samples that are normally made available would have been useful to our evaluation teams, but if you have contacted any them via private message in the meantime and provided them with something they can use then that's great. I will almost certainly be buying this CD too, as I always do with music I really like, but I usually try to listen to a reasonable proportion of an album first if possible before deciding whether or not it's something I want to buy for my collection.  Smile


Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 11:12
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Thanks for clearing that up Ally - It's just that usually with artists who use bandcamp as a distribution platform, the tracks are available to listen to before you buy them (either the digital files or the CD). The samples on myspace are old versions, and only one finished track from 'Searching for the Lost Key' can be heard on soundcloud. I was thinking that the low quality bandcamp streaming samples that are normally made available would have been useful to our evaluation teams, but if you have contacted any them via private message in the meantime and provided them with something they can use then that's great. I will almost certainly be buying this CD too, as I always do with music I really like, but I usually try to listen to a reasonable proportion of an album first if possible before deciding whether or not it's something I want to buy for my collection.  Smile

100% Agree. I can't buy many albums and I must listen to 1-2 tracks before pay money. Very reasonable Yam Thumbs Up


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 13:03
Obviously this is not studio quality, but it is a live version of one of the tracks on the album.

http://tivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/" rel="nofollow - http://tivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/

I understand that the whole album will be played in two slices on Through the Looking Glass. I think all of it has been played on the Eppy Gibbon Podcast show, on Larne's Finest and on The Ancient One (Cuillin FM). In other words, we've been relying on internet and FM radio play for those into prog to hear the album (without lots of free mp3s flying around cyberspace!). Hope this helps. PS I wanted to email a certain person the tracks so that The Emerald Dawn's music could be evaluated, but I got no reply when I requested an email address. Cheers, Ally.


Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 13:52
Thanks for the link Ally - very slight typo in it (an 's' missing), but the sample seems perfectly good enough to me regarding quality as far as an evaluation on PA is concerned - we don't need audiophile quality for this purpose, just as long as it isn't something recorded on a cheap mobile phone from the back row of the audience. LOL Anyway, the corrected link is http://stivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/" rel="nofollow - http://stivestv.co.uk/music/emerald-dawn-buridans-lament/ .
 
I know who you are talking about regarding the email address for samples, and I'm rather surprised that there was no reply at all to your offer - he could at least have responded and said he didn't want to give it you. Ermm
 
I'm pretty convinced myself that you most definitely fit our Symphonic Prog sub genre, but getting samples to the team for them to confirm this is shaping up to be a somewhat difficult process! LOL
 
Edit: If it helps at all, 'Beyond The Wall' was played on the Epileptic Gibbon Podcast Music Show in his 'long track special' on May 23rd this year: http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/" rel="nofollow - http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/ - it can be heard by dragging the cursor to 28.00 in the audio. If you're not happy about this link being included here Ally, then let me know and I'll delete it straight away.
 
This means that we now have access to usable versions of three of the four tracks ('Shadow in Light' is on soundcloud) - just a decent version of 'In Search of the Lost Key' is missing now. Ian also played the track 'Waves' in his Summer's End' preview show (5th September), which was stated to come from your 'forthcoming, as yet untitled debut album' - but that one doesn't appear to be included on the final album (it is also on soundcloud though).
 
An old studio version (2011) of 'In Search of the Lost Key' is still on YouTube (all the old myspace samples have now been removed), but I won't embed it here in case it shouldn't still be knocking around. A slightly shortened live version from January this year is available though - albeit rather 'distant' sounding:
 
 
And I guess that really ought to do it as far as an evaluation is concerned (as well as helping prospective purchasers get a reasonable feel for the album)...without making the whole thing easily accessible in low quality mp3 format for the 'free riders' out there! Embarrassed
 
Maybe a collab would like to post a link to this thread in the Symphonic team thead? Ermm


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:14
Hi Yam Yam,

Thanks for all of the work you have been doing! You are a hero.

The 'Beyond the Wall' version you have found should do for deciding our category in Prog Archives (I think Symphonic Progressive Rock), but it isn't the album mix.

The not-live version of 'In Search of the Lost Key' you found on You Tube is very different to the album version in so far as the album version has Tom playing excellent drums, while the old You Tube version has a ghastly, repetitive drum machine!

In short, the album is, in my view, much better than the clips you have found, but they do provide a good, rough and ready, idea of our sound, or at least a good enough idea to decide our category.

Thanks!


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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:15
PS The comment about 'Waves' being included in our debut album was an erroneous assumption. It's actually going to be in our second album, which is one track from being finished.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 02:28
Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Maybe a collab would like to post a link to this thread in the Symphonic team thead? Ermm
done.


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 09 2014 at 07:08
Thanks Dean!  Thumbs Up


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 12 2014 at 20:57
http://%20soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version" rel="nofollow - http:// soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 02:57
Originally posted by Ally Carter Ally Carter wrote:

http://%20soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version" rel="nofollow - http:// soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version
 

Didn't work. This one works better:
http://soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version" rel="nofollow - http://soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/shadow-in-light-studio-version


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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 17:37
Making us work for this one. Wink 

I've got the links for three of them but I really don't relish the thought of sifting through an entire radio show looking for one song. Is there anything else available for Beyond the wall?


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 19:50

It takes about 20 seconds to find...Click on http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/" rel="nofollow - http://www.mixcloud.com/ianfairholm/eppy-gibbon-podcast-music-show-episode-128-a-long-track-special/ , and when the music starts playing grab the cursor in the widget at the bottom and slide it to the 28 minute mark. Job done! As Ally said in her earlier post, this isn't the final album version of the track, but it's close enough to it for evaluation purposes.  Smile



Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 20:40
Okay, just to be sure I heard the right tune, is it kind of repetitive in the beginning and end with a big keyboard part in the middle?

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 20:56
If I have indeed heard all the songs then I don't think it is really symphonic. "Beyond the Wall" puts me more in the mind of an extended Pink Floyd jam with symphonic only entering in the middle with the keyboards. The same is pretty much true with "Burdian's Lament." Most of it consists of extended jams with a steady beat. There is nothing symphonic at all in "Shadow in the Light." The only one that really fits is "In Search of the Lost key." 

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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 22:18
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Okay, just to be sure I heard the right tune, is it kind of repetitive in the beginning and end with a big keyboard part in the middle?
 
It starts with waves of synths which are then joined by some wailing guitar licks with a liitle percussion in the background, before the drums kick in after about two minutes and the main body of the track begins. The (mainly female) vocals are introduced just before the four-minute mark (the brief male vocals that combine with them at the start of this section are spoken rather than sung). It is pretty easy to tell whether you have the right song even without this information though - since the caption above the track timeline will say "Beyond The Wall by The Emerald Dawn". All the tracks played on the show have markers set at their starting point, which identify the music being listened to at any particular time throughout the duration of the podcast. 'Beyond The Wall' segues seamlessly into 'Lift The Memory' by Kaukasus, but the text above the timeline will change to indicate that this has happened.


Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 13 2014 at 22:25
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

If I have indeed heard all the songs then I don't think it is really symphonic. "Beyond the Wall" puts me more in the mind of an extended Pink Floyd jam with symphonic only entering in the middle with the keyboards. The same is pretty much true with "Burdian's Lament." Most of it consists of extended jams with a steady beat. There is nothing symphonic at all in "Shadow in the Light." The only one that really fits is "In Search of the Lost key." 
 
What sub would you suggest moving this suggestion to then (if the other team members also feel that Symphonic isn't the right place for it)?


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 06:12
It put me in mind of Genesis/Hackett more than Floyd, so if not Symph then Eclectic. It certainly isn't Psyche/Space, Xover or Prog Folk and Neo would be totally wrong (IMO).

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 06:45
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

It put me in mind of Genesis/Hackett more than Floyd, so if not Symph then Eclectic. It certainly isn't Psyche/Space, Xover or Prog Folk and Neo would be totally wrong (IMO).

I wasn't suggesting Psych/Space with the Floyd reference. That was just the compositional style that came to mind when I was listening. Could be a bit of Krautrock influence there as well. I was thinking Crossover or Eclectic.


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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 08:20
I agree with Dean's summing up. I personally think this is too complex for Crossover, and I still believe myself that Symphonic is the best place for it...but you guys are the experts - I am just an old guy who sits around listening to music and making a nuisance of himself on PA! LOL I do have a sneaky feeling that it will not have an easy ride in Eclectic though - if that's where it goes next. I feel a game of ping pong may be coming on... Embarrassed


Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 14 2014 at 13:51
I could be totally off base too. Just because this is my domain doesn't mean I always get it right. I also haven't heard from my fellow symphomanicas yet so we will see what they have to say.

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 16 2014 at 20:31
The Symphonic team is going to pass. The Emerald Dawn definitely belongs here but not in Symphonic. I have sent it to Eclectic.

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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: October 16 2014 at 20:56
^ Thanks for the update from team Symphonic. Fingers crossed that we get a fairly quick resolution in Eclectic - as you say, this act definitely belongs on PA, and it's gotta be either one or the other of these two subs - I just can't imagine them anywhere else to be honest. Thumbs Up


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 18 2014 at 14:09
For those wanting to hear 'Searching for the Lost Key' by The Emerald Dawn without having to buy the album, I gather that it will be the album of the week at 7.00pm, UK time (or 13.00 CST, US) on Friday, October 24th, on http://progrock.com" rel="nofollow - http://progrock.com

Or you can buy a copy here: http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://theemeralddawn.bandcamp.com/


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 24 2014 at 02:38
'Searching for the Lost Key' by The Emerald Dawn will be the album of the week on DJ Peter Prog's brand new show on http://progrock.com" rel="nofollow - http://progrock.com this evening (Friday, October 24th) at 7.00pm here in the UK (13.00 CST, US). So, if you haven't heard the album yet, here's your chance to hear it for free (and the chance to support a new prog rock show, now only in its second week).


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: October 28 2014 at 19:10
Please note that the whole of 'Searching for the Lost Key' by The Emerald Dawn can now be listened to for free on progstreaming.com:

http://www.progstreaming.com/_wb/pages/play-album.php?activeAlbum=00917%20-%20The%20Emerald%20Dawn%20-%20Searching%20For%20The%20Lost%20Key" rel="nofollow - http://www.progstreaming.com/_wb/pages/play-album.php?activeAlbum=00917%20-%20The%20Emerald%20Dawn%20-%20Searching%20For%20The%20Lost%20Key


Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: November 22 2014 at 08:41
Hi, Anyone from the Eclectic Team got any views on where to locate The Emerald Dawn within Progarchives? Cheers, Ally


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: November 22 2014 at 11:55
I have the CD on order, so it will find a home, just sometimes the labels are a little sticky Embarrassed

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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 12:43
Thanks, Tszirmay. It seems to me that The Emerald Dawn are clearly symphonic prog (and arguably eclectic prog as well), but the Progarchives Symphonic Prog team don't agree!


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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: November 24 2014 at 18:13
I wouldn't worry too much about sub-vice-mini labeling! 
ITS PROG! Pretty good prog too, IMHO Wink


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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: November 25 2014 at 11:32
Thanks for you kind words, Tszirmay.

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: November 25 2014 at 16:24
Don't take the down vote from Symph as a rejection Ally. We want it here but just need to find the right home. I actually think that difficulty in nailing down a specific sub-genre speaks highly of the music. Smile

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Posted By: Stereolab
Date Posted: November 28 2014 at 23:09
Caught this on progstreaming. Fascinating stuff. Sounds like eclectic or folk prog to me, not symphonic. On a side note to the band, please offer digital downloads for a reasonable price, that's what bandcamp is for.



Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 04 2014 at 12:23
I have been listening to it for the last 3 days and i have a lulu review in the hopper. Haunting, spectral and plain delicious is where I sit right now. Truth is that it is hard to categorize as it spans a wide spectrum of style from slightly gothic, psychedelic, symphonic and folk. 
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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: December 04 2014 at 12:51
Thanks, Tszirmay. That is really appreciated.


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Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: December 10 2014 at 12:42



Posted By: Ally Carter
Date Posted: December 11 2014 at 02:54
'Searching for the Lost Key', the debut album from The Emerald Dawn, can now be listened to for free on Soundcloud:



http://soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/sets/searching-for-the-lost-key" rel="nofollow - http://soundcloud.com/theemeralddawn/sets/searching-for-the-lost-key

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Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: January 18 2015 at 15:58
Case closed, band added to Neo:  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9178" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=9178

Welcome onboard guys and girlsClap, pretty nice music btw!



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