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Epignosis wrote: jammun wrote: Okay, now that I've got the font thing figured out, When I was going to school back in the '60s, corporal punishment was the deal. Our teachers, deans of students, principals were sadistic b*****ds. I was playing with a girl's hair one day (it was long, she had tossed it in my lap, what's a 14 year old with a constant hard on to do?) and she complained. The Dean of Boys pulled me into his office. He had a nice paddle, nice baseball bat handle, just wide enough on the business end to deliver some serious pain, with holes drilled in it to reduce wind resistance, and he was a dirty c**ksucker, who'd have you grab your ankles, then deliver the blows not to the relatively fatty ass, but to the thighs. I had welts for days. I had access at homes to rifles, on a fine wooden gun rack. I wished him (the dean) paralysis and disfigurement, but I never even thought of grabbing one of those guns and taking him out. I didn't learn to respect authority, I learned to hate it. But I never decided to kill everyone in sight. So when did that change? When did the response to slaughter everyone in sight come about? We've had guns forever,  It isn't guns- it's our culture.

Well I was brought up decently, and also absorbed (not necessarily from family) my fair share of sh*t. I just never felt like killing someone over it. No actually, I often felt like killing someone over it, and had the means to do so. But I never felt like killing innocents. Thankfully I had a relatively high draft number during the Vietnam war era and never got to test my willingness to do so.

Edited by jammun - December 15 2012 at 21:57

Epignosis wrote: I'm a high school teacher man. Bothers me to think the state renders me defenseless in my place of work.

Brilliant. Let's militarize schools. Let's have teachers bring guns to school. That way, when a teacher has a nervous breakdown, they can shoot up the class, and then other teachers with piss-poor aim can shoot back at them and stray bullets can kill more students. Would you like to be the hero who missed the perpetrator and accidentally shoot a 14 year-old girl right between the eyes? I'm sure her grieving parents will laud you for your bravery. 

I own a 12 gauge Browning for hunting. I've been to the range. I've seen people that have concealed weapons permits that can't hit the broad side of a barn. No, I don't think guns belong in school.

No, the question that remains is why dear old mom had such high-powered weaponry, and why anyone needs a Bushmaster assault rifle that has a 30 round magazine, plus a SIG Sauer 9mm and Glock 9mm that both shoot up to five bullets a second. Thankfully, the shooter kept the assault rifle in the car or even more kids would have died.

I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but there comes a time when you have to question our current gun control laws and what firearms are allowed to be sold on the open market.

Epignosis wrote: jammun wrote: Okay, now that I've got the font thing figured out, When I was going to school back in the '60s, corporal punishment was the deal. Our teachers, deans of students, principals were sadistic b*****ds. I was playing with a girl's hair one day (it was long, she had tossed it in my lap, what's a 14 year old with a constant hard on to do?) and she complained. The Dean of Boys pulled me into his office. He had a nice paddle, nice baseball bat handle, just wide enough on the business end to deliver some serious pain, with holes drilled in it to reduce wind resistance, and he was a dirty c**ksucker, who'd have you grab your ankles, then deliver the blows not to the relatively fatty ass, but to the thighs. I had welts for days. I had access at homes to rifles, on a fine wooden gun rack. I wished him (the dean) paralysis and disfigurement, but I never even thought of grabbing one of those guns and taking him out. I didn't learn to respect authority, I learned to hate it. But I never decided to kill everyone in sight. So when did that change? When did the response to slaughter everyone in sight come about? We've had guns forever,  It isn't guns- it's our culture.

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Empathy is dead?  Really T?  Maybe empathy is gone from you and epig, but we still have it.

How many of your children are you going to offer up to the altar of unrestricted gun rights?

Edited by Slartibartfast - December 16 2012 at 05:44

No moron, there would just be more dead bodies. 

How am I right wing? How am I a hypocrite? What don't I get? And how would that have resulted in more dead bodies? 

The Dark Elf wrote: Epignosis wrote: I'm a high school teacher man. Bothers me to think the state renders me defenseless in my place of work. Brilliant. Let's militarize schools. Let's have teachers bring guns to school. That way, when a teacher has a nervous breakdown, they can shoot up the class, and then other teachers with piss-poor aim can shoot back at them and stray bullets can kill more students. Would you like to be the hero who missed the perpetrator and accidentally shoot a 14 year-old girl right between the eyes? I'm sure her grieving parents will laud you for your bravery.  I own a 12 gauge Browning for hunting. I've been to the range. I've seen people that have concealed weapons permits that can't hit the broad side of a barn. No, I don't think guns belong in school. No, the question that remains is why dear old mom had such high-powered weaponry, and why anyone needs a Bushmaster assault rifle that has a 30 round magazine, plus a SIG Sauer 9mm and Glock 9mm that both shoot up to five bullets a second. Thankfully, the shooter kept the assault rifle in the car or even more kids would have died. I am all for 2nd Amendment rights, but there comes a time when you have to question our current gun control laws and what firearms are allowed to be sold on the open market.

I don't hear about people shooting up police stations like they shoot up schools.  Wonder why that is? 

Gun control laws do not protect people in the US.  If you think gun control laws work, please look at DC and Chicago, where violent crime went up after gun control measures went into effect.  A person who wants to kill innocent people does not care about the finer points of the law.

"I want to kill a lot of people today.  What's that?  Oh?  The campus is a gun free zone.  A pity.  I'll have to go play checkers then."

Gun laws do not stop people who want guns from getting guns any more than marijuana laws stop people from getting marijuana.  Illegalizing something only creates a black market for it, which, in the US, causes more crime than it stops.




If you gun control folks want to show some data from the US providing evidence that gun control measures in the US make us safer, then do it.  I'm tired of hearing your pathos.

Here's what I don't get. Dozens of people killed in a school shooting. Tangential relations link this to gun laws. People throw ridiculous tirades around about gun laws.

US Drone directly kills dozens of children. Nobody really bothers to notice.

People have a funny of way of only caring about things when a camera is on them or it helps their agenda.

in the military   people are trained to shoot people without thinking (so i have read, probably not 100% accurate), but people in the army is drilled in their head that they shall be able to fire the gun without a second of thought, Breivik did adapt some pf that mentality training before he did his misdeads, and made him able to shoot and kill teenagesrs and in such a rate and in such a cold way.  cold methodical planning and putting thoughts of remorse out off his head. 

Edited by aginor - December 16 2012 at 06:54