So how many people do we have so far that credit something from Rick's solo work for getting them into prog?
Rick's "classic" albums (Six wives ..., Journey ... , Myths and legends ... , No connection ..., White rock) are getting me into prog too. Together with King Crimson, ELP, Focus, Genesis, Collegium Musicum ...
He is one unique and authentic prog sound-face from many sound-faces of prog for me.
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 20:15
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Wakeman is responsible for bringing me into Prog, and I like many of his albums:
Myths & Legends
Six Wives
Journey
Criminal Record
Return to the Centre of the Earth
No Earthly Connection
Softsword
1984
Stella Bianca alla Corte de Re Ferdinando
Black Knights at the Court of Ferdinand IV
Iván
From this list, the one album I don't know is "Softsword"... should I get it? I think it called for my attention some time ago, but didn't go on to buy it.
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 20:17
ExittheLemming wrote:
Of all the members of Yes who embarked on solo projects, Wakeman's early work set a level of expectation that he couldn't possibly hope to sustain: Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection are all brilliantly executed slices of bombastic, over the top, flamboyant top grade cheese in my estimation and I love 'em to bits (whereas I've never cared for either Journey or Lisztomania) Thereafter alas, he degenerated into fondant new age piano drivel or brazen exploitation to get credulous Yes fans to empty their pockets for freshly minted 'rare obscurities'Brilliant keyboard player, brilliant arranger, funny guy and crassly fleecing oink all rolled into one.
Perhaps you would like to check out "Out There", a real return to prog from Wakeman on the 2000's. Perhaps even the "Retro" albums, or "Return to the Center of the Earth" itself... though I find "Out There" the best of the bunch easily, but at least they are all prog once again, whether good or not depends on the listener.
Oh yeah, and as an arranger, I do like what Wakeman is capable of doing. He can play any of his songs live with whatever line-up he has at his disposal, and most of the time he won't use recordings of the orchestrations or chorals or whatever, but play it with the instruments he has available... and it really works brilliantly. Or, if he is playing with Yes and they choose to have him add piano or keyboard solos, I'll really love the result.
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 20:20
giselle wrote:
For me personally, Wakeman for synth, Emerson for piano, Ritchie for Hammond.
I really like Wakeman much better on Piano than Emerson... as a matter of fact, even though I like many songs from ELP a lot, in general I like Wakeman's work better than Emerson's.
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 20:52
Dellinger wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Wakeman is responsible for bringing me into Prog, and I like many of his albums:
Myths & Legends
Six Wives
Journey
Criminal Record
Return to the Centre of the Earth
No Earthly Connection
Softsword
1984
Stella Bianca alla Corte de Re Ferdinando
Black Knights at the Court of Ferdinand IV
Iván
From this list, the one album I don't know is "Softsword"... should I get it? I think it called for my attention some time ago, but didn't go on to buy it.
A review explains better
BTW: I originally reviewed it with 3 stars (I was more close to new sounds in 2005), I modified my review and rating for 4 stars.
RICK WAKEMAN was the first Prog legend who came to Perú back in September 1991 so there was easy to find information about him in the newspapers and among it I read he had released recently an album called "Softsword - King John and the Magna Charter", the name instantly brought to my memory the early stages of his career after a decade full of New Age releases, so the day I went for my concert tickets also bought the album sadly my first impression was negative.
It's true that the album had some moments but still not in the level of Rick's first albums, but slowly the album started gaining me.
Now I believe I can judge it with a clear perspective and what I see is a musician who had lost the path of his career trying to regain the respect of his fans who had abandoned him, and honestly he did a nice job, the album is at least satisfying.
The opener "Magna Charter is a 12:16 minutes epic that clearly reminds of "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table", the whole bombastic sound that I loved so much when learning about Prog is back, the track is very solid despite the poor vocals by Chrissie Hammond (Well, Wakeman was never accurate when choosing vocalists) and the programmed percussion, some excellent changes and a coherent atmosphere make of this song a good starting point for the album.
"After Prayers" is a weak point in the album, sounds poppy and artificial, like trying to add Symphonic arrangements to a simple and absolutely in special ballad, the first point against Rick.
"Battle Sonata" reminds me of the sound from "White Rock", still not bad but well charged of cheesy selection of keyboards, despite this fact the performance of Rick makes me forget the flaws in this song.
"The Siege" is a nice change, the distorted guitar intro by David Paton is interesting and a change in Wakeman's music, the song turns cheesy again when Rick makes a terrible selection of keyboards and starts sounding pretty poppy, but when Rick starts with his organ and the heavy riffs by Paton follow him, everything improves a lot, another good track despite the uneven moments.
"Rochester Collage" is a nice dreamy instrumental that again reminds instantly of "Myths and Legends", to be precise to the song "Arthur", this time Wakeman's choice of keys is simply perfect, another very nice track, things are getting better.
"The Story of John (Love)" is terrible, repetitive and absolutely lack of interest, two words come to my mind when listening his track, uninspired and filler, not even the nice guitar by Paton saves the song, I always avoid it.
But again Mr. Wakeman retakes control of the album with another pompous and solid track "March of Time", somebody should have told him that he is good with the overblown music so he had avoided some boring ballads being that only progheads buy his albums and that's not what we normally expect from him. If you have a skip button in your CD player, better press it when "Don't Fly Away" is being played, completely forgettable example of the boring and cheesy ballads the Cape Crusader must avoid at any cost.
"Issabella" is a very nice instrumental, soft and slow but absolutely interesting maybe if hw had reduced it in one minute the result would had been even better, because the next instrumental "Softsword" with it's short 1:45 minutes is perfect as a reliever.
The album ends with "Hymn of Hope" which is simply excellent, Wakeman proves how versatile he is with his synth and organ while again Paton and Sawney make a good job with the guitar and percussion, a great and dramatic closer for an uneven album.
If you are expecting a masterpiece like "Six Wives of Henry the VII" don't buy it, because this is a transitional album after the weakest decade in the life of RICK WAKEMAN; but if you like his music get it because it's a breeze of fresh air after the crimes against music he committed in the 80's and gives hope to the bored fan who expected a resurrection of his idol.
Never the guidelines were so clear as in this case, "Softsword" is by in no way essential album (leave that honor to Journey, Six Wives, Myths & Legends and Criminal Record) but surely a great addition to any Prog collection, so four stars from me..
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 10:46
Dellinger wrote:
giselle wrote:
For me personally, Wakeman for synth, Emerson for piano, Ritchie for Hammond.
I really like Wakeman much better on Piano than Emerson... as a matter of fact, even though I like many songs from ELP a lot, in general I like Wakeman's work better than Emerson's.
I don't really like to choose between those three, though there are obvious differences in styles and strengths and weaknesses. If it's a case of having to choose, I'd say Emerson for all-round ability over the other two, whose strengths were more prominent in certain areas.
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 15:16
Don't forget all his religious music, which many people like. His "new age" piano stuff isn't that bad as far as those things go.
I'm glad to see him getting more respect. Around 2006, I put his music as an influence on my Myspace page, and I think that really was a shocking thing to do, considering the avant garde type people that go to my concerts, and who are my friends. But you have to be courageous to stand up for good music. It's never been different.
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 20:48
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But you have to be courageous to stand up for good music. It's never been different.
Hi brainstormer,
Yes one needs to be courageous to stand up for good music indeed, here is a true story, one that only Wakeman or true prog fans can relate to:
Freshman year, High school, I was invited to a new friend's back yard party. We spent the night outdoors in a tent sharing a 40oz bottle of Miller Beer and listening to music. My host and much more mature "sophmore" was into regular rock but allowed me to pop a tape in the cassette player. I proudly slammed in Journey To The Center of the Earth. While my two cohorts were generally accepting they absolutely fell to pieces laughing when the chorale section came in(the part: "praise God" praise God"). I was upset they were dissing Rick's great work. so I defended the music, the two of them ridiculed me all through the first two years of High School for that! That Wakeman b*****d has no idea how much I suffered in his defense.
But you know what? I would do it all over again, cause Journey is one kiss-ass record from start to end.
True Story.
"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Posted: March 22 2012 at 11:09
dennismoore wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
richardh wrote:
Played King Arthur yesterday. Great synth solos and lots of goosebump moments.Not sure about some of the drumming though.
Journey is one that never could warm to for some reason but I havn't heard it for a long time.
Gary Pickford-Hopkins from the band Wild Turkey was a rather odd choice for vocalist! He was fantastic in WT, but I thought he weakened Journey.
WTF Chuck???
First, nice chatting with you again.
Second: The drums on King Arthur are one of that record's strongest assets. (IMHO)
Thrid: "Journey" is a true masterpiece! What is it? Does the female chorale put you off?
Fourth: Gary Pickford-Hopkins delicate voice was a perfect compliment to Ashley Holt's strong & gruffy voice.
I always thought that pair were perfect. I thought No Earthly Connection missed that balance.
Boy do you and me have issues to settle!
Apparently!!
I enjoyed GPHopkins with Wild Turkey (saw them warm up the Chicago crowd for Tull's amazing TAAB show), he has a nicely-shredded rock vocal style, but his style is not one that I would associate with a grand opus of symphonic prog-rock! A female alto might have worked better in my mind. However, it's been many years since I've heard it.
Here, a bit of WT for your pleasure....amazing band!
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Posted: March 22 2012 at 14:45
Rick is definitely my favorite keyboardist, although I'm sure he's plenty of people's on here. The organ part during the second part of the "I Get Up, I Get Down" section of CTTE is probably my favorite moment with organ EVER. Period. EVER. Not the most technical work of his, but absolutely beautiful. Uplifting, really.
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Posted: March 22 2012 at 15:31
brainstormer wrote:
This has to be seen to be believed =) There is a lot of acting, props, set changes, later on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWiWg5hfhO4
Impressive: That's what I talked about religious music, Rick knows the difference between praising and using his music to praise the Lord without messing with anybody.
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Posted: March 22 2012 at 18:56
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Wakeman is responsible for bringing me into Prog, and I like many of his albums:
Myths & Legends
Six Wives
Journey
Criminal Record
Return to the Centre of the Earth
No Earthly Connection
Softsword
1984
Stella Bianca alla Corte de Re Ferdinando
Black Knights at the Court of Ferdinand IV
Iván
From this list, the one album I don't know is "Softsword"... should I get it? I think it called for my attention some time ago, but didn't go on to buy it.
A review explains better
BTW: I originally reviewed it with 3 stars (I was more close to new sounds in 2005), I modified my review and rating for 4 stars.
<span style=": rgb240, 240, 240; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; text-align: left; ">RICK WAKEMAN was the first Prog legend who came to Perú back in September 1991 so there was easy to find information about him in the newspapers and among it I read he had released recently an album called "Softsword - King John and the Magna Charter", the name instantly brought to my memory the early stages of his career after a decade full of New Age releases, so the day I went for my concert tickets also bought the album sadly my first impression was negative.</span><p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">It's true that the album had some moments but still not in the level of Rick's first albums, but slowly the album started gaining me.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">Now I believe I can judge it with a clear perspective and what I see is a musician who had lost the path of his career trying to regain the respect of his fans who had abandoned him, and honestly he did a nice job, the album is at least satisfying.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">The opener "Magna Charter is a 12:16 minutes epic that clearly reminds of "Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table", the whole bombastic sound that I loved so much when learning about Prog is back, the track is very solid despite the poor vocals by Chrissie Hammond (Well, Wakeman was never accurate when choosing vocalists) and the programmed percussion, some excellent changes and a coherent atmosphere make of this song a good starting point for the album.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"After Prayers" is a weak point in the album, sounds poppy and artificial, like trying to add Symphonic arrangements to a simple and absolutely in special ballad, the first point against Rick.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"Battle Sonata" reminds me of the sound from "White Rock", still not bad but well charged of cheesy selection of keyboards, despite this fact the performance of Rick makes me forget the flaws in this song.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"The Siege" is a nice change, the distorted guitar intro by David Paton is interesting and a change in Wakeman's music, the song turns cheesy again when Rick makes a terrible selection of keyboards and starts sounding pretty poppy, but when Rick starts with his organ and the heavy riffs by Paton follow him, everything improves a lot, another good track despite the uneven moments.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"Rochester Collage" is a nice dreamy instrumental that again reminds instantly of "Myths and Legends", to be precise to the song "Arthur", this time Wakeman's choice of keys is simply perfect, another very nice track, things are getting better.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"The Story of John (Love)" is terrible, repetitive and absolutely lack of interest, two words come to my mind when listening his track, uninspired and filler, not even the nice guitar by Paton saves the song, I always avoid it.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">But again Mr. Wakeman retakes control of the album with another pompous and solid track "March of Time", somebody should have told him that he is good with the overblown music so he had avoided some boring ballads being that only progheads buy his albums and that's not what we normally expect from him. If you have a skip button in your CD player, better press it when "Don't Fly Away" is being played, completely forgettable example of the boring and cheesy ballads the Cape Crusader must avoid at any cost.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">"Issabella" is a very nice instrumental, soft and slow but absolutely interesting maybe if hw had reduced it in one minute the result would had been even better, because the next instrumental "Softsword" with it's short 1:45 minutes is perfect as a reliever.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">The album ends with "Hymn of Hope" which is simply excellent, Wakeman proves how versatile he is with his synth and organ while again Paton and Sawney make a good job with the guitar and percussion, a great and dramatic closer for an uneven album.<p style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb51, 51, 51; line-height: normal; text-align: left; : rgb240, 240, 240; ">If you are expecting a masterpiece like "Six Wives of Henry the VII" don't buy it, because this is a transitional album after the weakest decade in the life of RICK WAKEMAN; but if you like his music get it because it's a breeze of fresh air after the crimes against music he committed in the 80's and gives hope to the bored fan who expected a resurrection of his idol.<div style="text-align: left;"><span style=": rgb240, 240, 240; color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; ">Never the guidelines were so clear as in this case, "Softsword" is by in no way essential album (leave that honor to Journey, Six Wives, Myths & Legends and Criminal Record) but surely a great addition to any Prog collection, so four stars from me.</span><span style="line-height: normal;">.</span>
<div style="text-align: left;"><div style="text-align: left;">I believe you should try it.<div style="text-align: left;"><div style="text-align: left;">Iván
I guess I'll have to add that album to my to-get list. I think the last song you mention, "Hymn of Hope" (but as the first song) also appears on another album I have "Can you hear me?"... as a matter of fact I found that album rather nice, and that song is really great. There are a few other songs I really like a lot on that album too, and if I remember well, Chrissie Hammond also sings on it, and I actually found her singing very enjoyable.
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