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Skullhead
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 19:14 |
This saddens me to hear this.
Is there anything that can be done? As prog people, is there some way to capture a relatively non prog audience? Maybe disguise things as performance art? Bring in dancers (modern etc) or other performers? I am sure people still want live entertainment. Isn't this to some degree what Gaga is doing? It's not really about just the music. Could these concepts work on a local level at some degree?
Does live prog just needs a facelift or some kind of re invention?
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Davesax1965
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 11:21 |
As another reply: Skullhead, if you look at another post of mine (Liquid Light Show Reborn) I'm thinking of putting together a complete light show - one hour of trippy graphics - with a backing soundtrack - which a live band can use to play over.
Just add solo instruments and additional lighting. You need a PA and two high spec projectors.
I seriously doubt anyone will take it up.
Why ?
Let's suppose I book a suitable gig venue around here. I have to find an extortionate amount of money and book a year in advance. Will I sell enough tickets to even break even ?
Prog rock ? With so many different distractions around ?
I seriously doubt it.
So, why should I do it for nothing, or a loss ?
200 people in a backyard, I don't think so. To get 200 people to attend an event requires serious, serious maketing. Time, money, expense, risk. No chance. If people are not fan enough to even buy your music over the internet, as happens with me (and most prog bands) then they're definitely not going to solve the situation by turning up at a gig. Anywhere.
If you want a guaranteed audience, play mainstream. Even then, it's a lottery. Specialist music ? No chance.
Edited by Davesax1965 - January 23 2015 at 11:21
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SteveG
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 11:13 |
Live is dead. Home studio is alive.
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 11:13 |
Davesax1965 wrote:
Well, the simple question is $$$$$.
How much does it cost to tour ? - when no one actually pays for your music ? Or you can't get a market and therefore can guarantee to fill a Greyhound bus, let alone a gig ?
More and more people just listen to streaming music or YouTube and seem to have less interest in following bands properly and attending gigs. The world has changed. |
Sure, I get the touring thing. It's expensive. But what about local bands who don't have to tour? Why is there not a grass roots thing happening at local levels? 200 people in a backyard? The World has Changed. What do you think has changed so much that prog live has been so pushed aside that so few will book it? There are tons of live music acts playing tonight all over the SF Bay area. But no prog.
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Davesax1965
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 11:07 |
Well, the simple question is $$$$$.
How much does it cost to tour ? - when no one actually pays for your music ? Or you can't get a market and therefore can guarantee to fill a Greyhound bus, let alone a gig ?
More and more people just listen to streaming music or YouTube and seem to have less interest in following bands properly and attending gigs. The world has changed.
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 11:01 |
Well, let's see,
I'm down in Berkeley this weekend, and on the big prog site down here there is not one single prog act happening on the calendar in the entire Bay Area (nearly 8 million people). No national acts or local stuff. So in one of the great historic music hubs of the last 100 years, nada.
It's not like I'm living in Boontown Iowa.
Either club owners are not booking it, LIVE bands are drying up, or there is a simple lack of interest in the eyes of the general listening public which would account for both.
However, the amount of Prog album releases has probably never been stronger.
Why is there not an equal abundance of live prog available when so many artists are enjoying being prolific in the studio?
Do artists not want to perform live? Or is it just too difficult to find band members to work hard, learn complex material then try to get booked to play live to a disinterested audience?
Not trying to be discouraging in anyway, just hoping some here might have some insight or ideas on how to improve the situation.
Edited by Skullhead - January 23 2015 at 11:08
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Svetonio
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 04:45 |
Skullhead wrote:
I once walked into a bar and there was a RUSH cover band that was absolutely amazing. Taurus pedals, the whole thing. 40 piece Red sparkle drum kit. I would see prog bands playing in backyard parties, bars, just all over. If I was in a music store, there would be someone in there playing a Rickenbacker, and he was in a band telling you about a gig coming up. What I am saying is that on a local level, seems a lot less. Sure you can go into the big cities and find stuff. But local stuff.. not as much.
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WOW. I presume that it was alike Psychedelia movement during the Summer of Love because it was a bandwagon that every bunch of hippies in kaftans with guitars wanted to jump on.
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 02:49 |
I once walked into a bar and there was a RUSH cover band that was absolutely amazing. Taurus pedals, the whole thing. 40 piece Red sparkle drum kit. I would see prog bands playing in backyard parties, bars, just all over. If I was in a music store, there would be someone in there playing a Rickenbacker, and he was in a band telling you about a gig coming up. What I am saying is that on a local level, seems a lot less. Sure you can go into the big cities and find stuff. But local stuff.. not as much.
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Svetonio
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 02:40 |
richardh wrote:
Older acts like those mentioned above are always easier to find but if you want to go and watch a newer artist then it could be problematic.(...)
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Why it could be problematic? If you can travelling to see a well-know act, then you can do the same to see a lesser-know act in a very small venue or an alternate space as well. The lesser-know, young prog rock bands are announced a lot of gigs at their Facebook pages.
Edited by Svetonio - January 23 2015 at 02:41
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richardh
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Posted: January 23 2015 at 01:27 |
Older acts like those mentioned above are always easier to find but if you want to go and watch a newer artist then it could be problematic. The OP is right though with regards to my own town of Swindon. We have an Arts Centre who were brilliant at booking prog/rock bands up until 'the crash' of about 8 years ago. Since then its been pretty abysmal with Steve Howe being the only artist of any interest to me that has played there in the last 4 years. Between 2000 and 2006 I was going 5 times a year. Now there is no reason to bother. However I am prepared to travel and luckily its very easy for me to get to Bristol or London via the M4 to get my live prog fix when I want. I will also be going to see the Enid in Southampton which is just over an hour in the car for me.
Edited by richardh - January 23 2015 at 01:27
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Svetonio
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Posted: January 22 2015 at 23:11 |
Skullhead wrote:
I certainly don't know the facts, but it seems like finding quality live prog on a local level is getting harder and harder to find. (...)
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This "local" argument is not valid at all. When it was easy in general to find "quality prog on a local level"? I mean, in a bar down on the corner - especially if you are not a resident of London, New York or Paris? Never. Actually, it is not hard at all "to find qualitiy live prog" if you have a time and money for taking a trip to some prog gig, for example at one of The Enid's gigs at their current The Bridge tour 2015, or to see Magma in London in May 2015 or, for example, to travel on Rosfest 2015, or to embark on Jewel class ship NCL Pearl and to take Cruise to the Edge 2015.
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Skullhead
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Posted: January 22 2015 at 22:31 |
I certainly don't know the facts, but it seems like finding quality live prog on a local level is getting harder and harder to find. Even with the internet, it's challenging. Of course there are touring bands, and a few dinosaurs still walking around, but I don't see clubs booking prog acts as much as they did.
I might guess that on a studio level, there are more prog releases and bands than ever before. Quite an abundance.
Do you think prog musicians have been pushed underground and into their bedroom studios to some degree due to the lack of support out in the real world?
Artists need to do their craft. But wouldn't most every closet or bedroom prog artist prefer to engage a live audience if they had a proper supporting cast?... and of course an enthusiastic fan base?
Clearly live music in general across the boards is up against the onslaught of techno, hip hop, DJ's etc that are mesmerizing the bulk of the music listening population. Jam bands seem to be dying out slowly also as the folk who prefer music to simply dance to are likely spending more time over at the electronica festivals.
I suppose I am still a bit puzzled by the fact that even though prog musicians certainly display the highest level of musicianship within the "rock" genre, it seems to not be of much interest to the general music listening public at large.
Thoughts?
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