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Tauhd Zaļa
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Posted: March 16 2004 at 11:05 |
And I ""WAS" the Queen of the Street (what a piece of meat )
Memory, all alone in the moonlight I can smile at the old days I was beautiful then I remember a time I knew what happiness was Let the memory live again
MIAOUUUUU ouinnnnnnnnnn
kleenex ?
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: March 16 2004 at 11:00 |
Tauhd Zaļa wrote:
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Surely Pete !!!
I have seen a jig of The Damned (and The Stranglers too) |
"Walkin' down the beaches, lookin' at the Peaches."
Great tune. I love the Stranglers. I had some of their stuff on cassette. I need to get their Greatest Hits. 
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: March 15 2004 at 19:17 |
Oddly enough, Phil Collins appeared on the Oscars last week.
Perhaps he is considered 'cool' by society. if so, why? because he sold out a talented prog rock giant to appease the unintelligent and tasteless masses? maybe he, too, 'jumped the shark' musically.
Anyway, I ought to do a rant on society, and it's destruction of talent in music... but it's late.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: March 15 2004 at 09:02 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
No, prog didn't kill prog -- Phil Collins did!
I watched him rip the still-beating, unshaven heart from Genesis!
Just kidding, Philbert, wherever you are. Balding men gotta eat too.... |
He must take responsibility for his actions - I say he can either eat OR breath - NOT both!
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philippe
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Posted: March 15 2004 at 08:57 |
journalists of popular music can't stop talking that the guitar overdubs and noise from the punk rock has killed the synth arrengements and epic harmonies from the prog rock...commercialy speaking it was true in those days...but which scene prevails now? All must be relative because things are cyclical.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 11:27 |
richardh wrote:
I'll go for 'Option B' - Creative Burnout
Prog rock came from the sixties and was a part of the natural evolution of rock music.The original bands (ELP,Yes,King Crimson etc) were talented enough to make there way without having to be tied to having radio airplay or clever marketing.They could 'do it' in the live arena.To some extent it just ran its course.Once the classic prog albums were 'in the can' there was nowhere left to go (apart from down). Most modern prog is really a tribute to the music that was made between 1969-1975.That was a special era in music history.
|  I'll drink to what richardh wrote. The few newer prog bands that I listen to these days have echoes of early 70's bands. For example, and perhaps the best example, is the (Fish) Marillion/early Genesis conection, Echolyn has been likened to Gentle Giant, and Anekdoten( one of my faves!) has King Crimson leanings. Also many artists formerly with these bands went on to produce some great solo material. Good examples are Peter Gabriel's worldbeat/rock fusions, McLaughlin's traditional eastern musical explorations with Shakti and Jan Akkerman has put out some great yet esoteric albums over the years.
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Ulf Uggason
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 10:07 |
Fashion. Does anybody find it amusing/disgusting that punk is considered mainstream now, almost 30 years after it appeared? How many covers of Rolling Stone have been devoted to bands like Blink 182? Then you have the new garage rocking bands like The Strokes, Vines, etc. All of this has been done a billion times before, and many times better by the old bands. Mick Jagger is looking at his own grandchildren in these Vines like bands. Yet this stuff still gets slathered upon with great critical reviews by "in-the-know" music critics. Two of my favorite types of music, Prog and Metal have never been critics choices. They're not "cool" enough.
Punk first appeared as a reaction to the excess of '70s rock. One was the excess of opulent rock star lifestyles and egos gone out of control (let's say Rod Stewart), and then musical excess (a lot of Prog). Both of these moved rock away from its birth place in the garage, and took it some place else.
Back in the day, it took me a while to get into punk, but I got there. I loved the big bands of the times, The Clash, Ramones, The Jam, etc. I love rock 'n' roll, and I love dirty rock 'n' roll. However, my fixation with punk didn't last that long. I moved on to the underground Metal scene of the '80s, where so much cool music was made. I still absolutely love The Clash. They appear to be the only punk band from that era that to survive as one of my all-time favorite bands.
What really amuses me today is that if punk partially evolved out of rebellion against music like Prog, then today Prog is the perfect rebellion against the boring, mainstream, water-downed punk that is considered cool today!
Peace,
Ulf
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dude
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 06:45 |
WHAT!!! NOT FUNNY ENOUGH!!! i thought it was a brilliant and witty retort,worthy of OSCAR WILDE......Okay,Mabye not,But i try ...LORD KNOWS I TRY ...BOO HOO HOO YOU HAVE HURT MY FEELINGS i am going to cry now....WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA...PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER MAN(SLAP, SLAP)......okay i am all better now!!! 
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Tauhd Zaļa
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 06:33 |
dude wrote:
Ramses ll had a Mummy? gee i hope he visited her often |
Maybe it's time for you to find a new joke
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dude
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 05:36 |
Ramses ll had a Mummy? gee i hope he visited her often
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Joren
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 05:20 |
Yes, he's glad to be home again!
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Tauhd Zaļa
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 04:35 |
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Tauhd Zaļa
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 04:23 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Speaking of punk, do you know the Damned tunes "New Rose" and "Under the Floor Again?"
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Surely Pete !!!
I have seen a jig of The Damned (and The Stranglers too) in "Le Gibus" (a small hall in Paris) and I had the chance to speak with 'em after (in fact only Dave Vanian, Captain Sensible and Lu*, the guitarist).
I have even their autograph !!
Dave Vanian : a little cold and reserved
Captain Sensible : Folish guy, very funny 
Lu* : Human and very friendly (he just went out of jail)
Yes I know "New Rose" but no "Under the Floor Again"
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dude
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Posted: March 14 2004 at 03:58 |
There are cynics who would argue that some dinosaurs have not died(FLOYD,YES etc)  i for one am glad that these "Loch Ness Monsters" of rock are still with us
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Peter
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Posted: March 13 2004 at 22:03 |
Eloquently and movingly put, Tauhd. I like tons of types/eras of music -- "new" prog too! Only change is constant.... Waaaahh!
I'm really enjoying Porcupine Tree -- Lightbulb Sun lately. (Review soon!)
It's nothing really like classic prog, but a solid, intelligent album that is a product of its time.
Speaking of punk, do you know the Damned tunes "New Rose" and "Under the Floor Again?"
To be played as loudly as possible, please!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: March 13 2004 at 21:50 |
No, prog didn't kill prog -- Phil Collins did!
I watched him rip the still-beating, unshaven heart from Genesis!
Just kidding, Philbert, wherever you are. Balding men gotta eat too....
Edited by Peter Rideout
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Tauhd Zaļa
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Posted: March 13 2004 at 16:21 |
shark wrote:
personally, I find it impossible to subscribe to just one explanation. Reality is a lot more complex, so the cultural demise of progressive rock was really caused by different events and developments coming together from different points.
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Yes, but no
Maani and Paco Fox pointed out two components : business and critics.
I think the solution is more simple.
We speak about Progressive Music.
Please consider Progressive Music as a biologic group and try to study it with a vision of naturalist (Darwinist or not).
Each living group (species, genus, family) appears, evolves or disappears without lineage.
Progressive Music appears late in the sixties.
Some bands have evolved into another music style (the proper of progressive music is to progress) or, like the dinosaurs disappeared because they didnt be able or didnt want to change.
Anyway, in the two cases the "picture" of how Progressive Music " sounded " mostly in the seventies must die.
For example Genesis released "Abacab" or "Mama", King Crimson "Discipline" and "Beat" but they have nevermore sounded like Peter Gabriel era and Peter Sinfield or John Wetton era.
Other dinosaurs died, the page was turned.
So I think " Progressive Music " is not a style but more a part of a film or a book, a part of time.
But the time flows, the story continues and the film must go on.
Progressive Music evolves, new styles appear.
The Progressive Music of the seventies are " scattered pages of a book by the see, held by the sand washed by the waves
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But it was our youth that we all want to keep.
We all are ready to extract fossils of our past and to claim they are still living.
Unfortunately not

In my own opinion it is the principal reason why " neo prog " was created for us and why so many bought the first Marillion records.
Fossils, copies, mouldings, just chimera of the past.
But music is still living, creativity too, all is evolving, as small mammals appeared within the legs of the old dinosaurs.
Thats why I liked Punk Music, New Wave or World Music in the eighties, Fusion, Trash and Industrial in the nineties, and now Indie Rock and a lot of small mammals.
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shark
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Posted: March 13 2004 at 07:47 |
personally, I find it impossible to subscribe to just one explanation. Reality is a lot more complex, so the cultural demise of progressive rock was really caused by different events and developments coming together from different points.
All previous posters have picked out these reasons, but I would just like to add the following:
some posters have correctly mentioned Punk and Disco. My direct experience of those days also points out towards the emergence of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, where scores of young musicians, previously prog inclined, suddenly directed their energy towards that direction.
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richardh
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Posted: March 13 2004 at 04:53 |
I'll go for 'Option B' - Creative Burnout
Prog rock came from the sixties and was a part of the natural evolution of rock music.The original bands (ELP,Yes,King Crimson etc) were talented enough to make there way without having to be tied to having radio airplay or clever marketing.They could 'do it' in the live arena.To some extent it just ran its course.Once the classic prog albums were 'in the can' there was nowhere left to go (apart from down). Most modern prog is really a tribute to the music that was made between 1969-1975.That was a special era in music history.
Edited by richardh
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Aztech
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Posted: March 12 2004 at 17:40 |
Glad to be of service manni
Wether fashion is predetermined and stuffed down the masses throats or be it a normal phenomenom : music one day popular and after a while labeled outdated by the masses,they are different premises ,yes, but unfortunately they leave the same conclusion : they kill off potentially good music and artists.
"Good" music is and should be timeless ie: classical music
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