Be-gone all you post-Comatorium Volta Haters

PinkPangolin wrote: Thanks Henry - anyone willing to make a bet on their 8th album being a "giant" They're working on it - building from the best elements of the past - and adding new - more of this building will come I guess from their forecast "acoustic" album And they are doing a soundtrack - doesn't this remind you of the Floyd ? - Obscured by Clouds was the one before Dark SIde, remember? Never heard a band play like this band before.....

Don't get me wrong, it's a possibility but I won't get my hopes up with that. Who knows if they'll even last that long. I mean, with all the people dying around them and going suicidal and sh*t, luck should never be a topic of any song they write because it doesn't seem they are familiar with it.

Rocktopus wrote: debrewguy wrote: Rocktopus wrote: That's a genre thing that's got very little to do with nationality, PP. Very little american Avant/RIO (or folk, jazz  etc related prog) is cheesy. The cheese just applies to all those pompous/moronic progmetal-bands.  Or to those who apply overgeneralized and opinionated labels to music they don't get/like ? You sound like you think my overgeneralized opinionated label is wrong. Why?

I just want to toss in that I agree with you 100% rocktopus, prog-metal irritates the hell out of me and the only band from that genre I actually like is Dream Theater. But you are not in any way wrong.

Ok, now for the topic...

De-loused is genius, Frances is great, I haven't heard enough songs from Amputechture to make a decision on this album but the tracks I have heard already seem great. I think TBiG is a bit of a disappointment but it's nothing to hate the band for. They took a big step at experimenting with something new and they just failed at it, which has a big chance of happening when experimenting. There are some enjoyable tracks on this album like Goliath, Conjugal Burns, Ilyena, and maybe some others I can't remember at the moment. But there are songs that either completely disgust me (Ouroborous) and songs that just don't interest me.But I'm not giving up hope with this band since all they are doing is experimenting, and odds are that they'll probably experiment with some other sounds and end up turning out a great masterpiece that could actually shadow De-louased. PP made a great point with Pink Floyd with how Dark Side of The Moon being their treasure AND their 8th album, so why not TMV?

Yeah, lets kill those b*****ds!!!

  I do not understand TMV nay sayers. To just abondoned a group that is putting out some of the most energetic and original music today. I think some people loved the first 3 albums because they were a bit more accesible. I love all there albums and claim Amputechture as my favorite and until the last album was released this album has gotten the worst reviews. I can only suggest to listen to it again and then again and then again. In other words it has what seems like and endless layering of melodies that provide endless replay value. I haven't listened to Bedlam enough to really compare it, but it seems to provide the same complexities without sacrificing melodic music. I think they may be getting better with age.

Frances the Mute(or Francis the Brute?) is the album I don't have by them, but I really like their other 3, i would not say, that they are flawless, but certainly worth having. 

I mean: They should progress their sound, not completely alter it each album, because after a while, their sound will generally regress and become what it is now, a parody of their older material.  De-Loused was a very unique album, they should have kept that sound because it was their own, albeit, they could make small alterations every album, they should still base those off the original sound.  After De-Loused, they became much more "rehash-from-the-70's" - they actually had something new and original, but they threw it away.  It mixed punk, heavy atmospherics, salsa, funk, and jazz in one whole, coherent sound.  Frances separated all those to their own songs, a kind of watering-down effect. 

Edited by mecca - June 15 2008 at 13:15

In this case, I actually agree with you Rocktopus - Prog-metal is cheesy.  So much so, it's well funny!  I think you've hit the nail on the head - the American stuff in particular (take Symphony X for example)

Pnoon - you are getting scary now - glad I don't know where you live.  Anyway, I must admit to you that I did use random selection from a dictionary to come up with the name for my imaginary band 25 years ago "Edacious Pangolins" - hence the Pangolin in my name.  It was a fascination to me that someone else had an imaginary band with a very similar animal in it (ie. Porcupine Tree) - except in his case, it became real.  That was not a Phail, eh?

I still think all 4 MV albums are awesome - including the lyrics, so there!

What's all the fuss about? I thought it was quite obvious TMV had been created in the first place to make a lot of noise to a good groove and the occasional hook. And this would explain the lyrics, most likely taken at random from a dictionary, as pointed out by Phoon.

Not that you have to like TMV because of this, but come now, it's not like the first two and the last two albums are separated by a leap in noisiness or anything.

The one thing that the Mars Volta are NOT - is cheesy (whether you love or hate their music).  Infact, they are one of the few American Prog bands that are not cheesy (apologies to my American friends)

Pnoom! wrote: king volta wrote: Pnoom! wrote: King Volta, if you want to change your name, just drop (sl)easy livin a PM. To Pnoom! -- Yes I've thought about changing it, just never gone through with it. Perhaps I will soon. I can't think of anything good to change it to other than my forum default (threefingeredben), but perhaps something will come with time... King Dot? King Kayo?

Interesting suggestions...I think you've sparked an idea within me. Thanks!