Genesis overrated?

@ Ivan

Touche. Or should I say douche?

Flips coin

Douche it is!

I don't give a rats ass about your passion, bravery, tenure or special relationships with other members. But when you post erronous facts to support your arguments and draw false conclusions or misrepresent others' statements then it's not an opinion it's just incorrect.

Edited by hobocamp - January 24 2011 at 13:46

The T wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: I'm hardly a Pink Floyd fan and T is more a Prog Metal fan with a lot of respect for Genesis, we could hardly be fanboys if we are not even strong fans of the band. Iván Not so Ivan, not anymore at least (it used to be that way). Besides my most loved music (see signature) metal is just a sub-set of rock in general, and my favorite bands are DT (progmetal, yes) and Genesis. And Pink Floyd is somewhere close to the top 5 (at least their big five albums).

Haven't you noticed that T and I have frequent disagreements, but that we are mature enough to agree when we believe something is right?

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 24 2011 at 13:04

Kudos to you AP2Slaves. That's all I was saying before the fanboys fell on my neck with a scream.

Edited by hobocamp - January 24 2011 at 12:57

^That's sort of what I was getting at minus the last part. Saying people dislike PF solely because of their popularity completely neglects the possibility that they just don't care for the actual music. Sales and public opinion should create no bias for an individual, but more often then not this is the case. I'm not a huge PF fan but I enjoy "Animals" and "Obscured By Clouds", and I certainly would consider a band like Genesis more interesting all around. This is of course, personal opinion and should be treated as such!

resurrection wrote: sarge wrote: Now before you proggies get offended by my comments regarding the oh so lovely Genesis (oops, sarcasm already - my bad!) I think it's important you understand I have given a great deal of time listening to Gabriel-era Genesis, in particular Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound. Is there something I'm missing? Cause i've listened to a lot of prog and, sure, Genesis shows the elements of the music I love but it really seems to go nowhere. I think the problem is largely Phil Collins' fault, there's only so much high-hat and no ride I can bear with drumming in prog. Very bland indeed. Secondly, and feel free to offer a different thought on this, I find Gabriel's voice to be almost...cringeworthy. Sorry, but it's really unpleasant to listen to. Furthermore, I think I can safely say that a band that can't keep an 8 minute song interesting should never venture out to the territory of the 20+ minute epic - you all know what song i'm talking about, that really dull one that fails to lift the ground. Mellotrons are great for creating emotion in music, but after hearing Genesis use one it makes me feel the anger like i've just tried mowing my boring lawn with a majestic chair and subsequently failed. Lastly, although unrelated to the Gabriel-era, Genesis facilitated the rise of disco. One can only hope they look back at that with shame.   Does anyone else find the constant bombardment of Genesis related material on progarchives both unfathomable (due to the above reasons) and unbearable (ditto)?   Also, in regards to responses, no "well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion.   Ah well, gotta go - supper's ready, shame it's always ordinary. I can't personally see Genesis as the real deal in prog terms, more art-rock than prog in my book. It's that old argument about what is prog again. Yes, they are a bit inventive, but they're not really a virtuoso-type band, the genre (if we have to draw a line in the first place) isn't clearly defined here. Having said that, Genesis are a fine band, just not sure they're in the centre of anything we should be talking about. On the fringes perhaps.

hobocamp wrote: ^I recognize them. They are the mainstream rock band with worldwide popularity. That doesn't mean I have to think they're on par with the likes of Genesis.

hobocamp wrote: I recognize them. They are the mainstream rock band with worldwide popularity. That doesn't mean I have to think they're on par with the likes of Genesis.

hobocamp wrote: Genesis is rated just right. It's Pink Floyd that gets too much love around here. We must have a lot of people who need to be on Prozac here on ProgArchives.

hobocamp wrote: Genesis is rated just right. It's Pink Floyd that gets too much love around here. We must have a lot of people who need to be on Prozac here on ProgArchives.