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jacksiedanny 
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 Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:26 |
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Frippertonics, loops, dark soundscapes since frigging 1979.
Eno's "Music For Airports", Fripp's "Music For Restaurants". Right. Ambient dross.
Scholarly artists like this talk the talk imposingly enough, but when it comes to the music...
One (rather proggish) exception -who has written a book on music - is German,Peter Micheal Hamel.
I have 4 or 5 by him. Yes, can be repetative, but unlike Fripp, there is some substance and sticking-power here.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:18 |
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^ Well, repetition is the mother of skill (you could call technique the father). Then comes rubato. Plus, you might also want to look into an idea explored by Eno, called "generative music". Fripp employs that.
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jacksiedanny
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:09 |
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Dead boring repetition. I believe he claims playing repetative guitar is a skill.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:03 |
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^ It doesn't get any more constructive than that. Q#1: What's an average Fripp solo like?
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jacksiedanny
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 18:01 |
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Average Fripp solo is sparse as all fox.
Seriously: the proof is in the pudding. How many Fripp solo lps/cds you got in your collection. If you got more than 5 - somethings the matter,son.
You need to be seeking out MUSIC.
(I have League of Gentlemen & the two he did with Andy Wotsit. Eno Evening Star and the first Eno/Fripp.
Never listen to them.
I've heard two of his latest cds (wot I got from the library). Utter tedium. Fox that sh*t.
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 17:51 |
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Seriously? This is even a question? Hideously underrated
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Rednight
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 16:03 |
 Catcher10 wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
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Fripp makes Rush look like a bar band.
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emigre80
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 15:43 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
emigre80 wrote:
i don't know if this has been posted already (i don't have time to search through 20+ pages of postings) but i never read a new yorker article that made me laugh as much as this one:
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| He used his guitar as a probe, the drummer Bill Bruford said in a 2012 BBC documentary. As an instrument of science, not sex. |
You know what's so funny about this quote? ... That I can vividly remember someone else in that BBC documentary saying the exact same words. |
In fact, it was the narrator that said it. And the New Yorker is known for its strict fact-checking, so someone fell asleep at the wheel there.
Great article, all the same.
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Michael678
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 14:13 |
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here, i can see that. outside here, f**k NO!!!!
Edited by Michael678 - February 06 2015 at 14:13
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 14:07 |
emigre80 wrote:
i don't know if this has been posted already (i don't have time to search through 20+ pages of postings) but i never read a new yorker article that made me laugh as much as this one:
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| He used his guitar as a probe, the drummer Bill Bruford said in a 2012 BBC documentary. As an instrument of science, not sex. |
You know what's so funny about this quote? ... That I can vividly remember someone else in that BBC documentary saying the exact same words.
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progpositivity
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 13:23 |
I suppose it depends upon whose 'rating' we are going by. Are we talking about musicologists? The academics who get paid to analyze and research music? Speaking from the point of view of a progressive rock fan, I suspect they under-rate him (or ignore his significance which to me is the functional equivalent of under-rating him.) Are we talking about a general audience of popular and/or rock music fans as of 2015? I think many of them will tend to under-rate him due to lack of appreciation, knowledge or both. I suspect you are talking about progressive rock fans though. Proggers generally hold him in very high esteem. Fripp has done some interesting things, that's for sure. I don't feel like he is the Mozart type of genius, the kind who is so incredibly and eloquently adept at advanced music composition and performance. He is more the Philip Glass kind of genius. And by that I mean he is a polarizing man of ideas. His genius is in his approach to music creation more than his pure musical ability. I also suspect I may be in the minority with this opinion. The majority opinion is probably that he is a genius not only in his innovative and creative ways of thinking about music and approaching music creation but also in other important musical ways like his guitar playing and his actual music composition skills. (Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying he is a weak guitarist nor that he is a lousy songwriter.) So, given that I rate him as one type of genius and I believe that the majority of prog fans rate him as a multi-faceted super-genius, I suppose my own personal answer relative to the majority of rock fans is... drumroll please...  Yes. I think Fripp is slightly over-rated. But with a rating that high, it would be really hard not to be at least a little bit over-rated, wouldnt it? So it isn't meant as an insult.
Edited by progpositivity - February 06 2015 at 13:29
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moshkito
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 12:15 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Yes or No? |
No more or less than your own top ten!
I would say NO, since so many folks have looked up to his work and appreciated it.
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emigre80
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Posted: February 06 2015 at 12:06 |
i don't know if this has been posted already (i don't have time to search through 20+ pages of postings) but i never read a new yorker article that made me laugh as much as this one:
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chbuerol
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Posted: February 05 2015 at 00:41 |
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definitely not!
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HackettFan
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Posted: February 04 2015 at 18:16 |
Cristi wrote:
NO |
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SteveG
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Posted: February 04 2015 at 18:13 |
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Good God! I thought this thread was dead and buried. There was not that was much positive on these exchanges at times.
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Argonaught
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Posted: February 04 2015 at 18:09 |
Butchband wrote:
I mean, is he in, say, Steve Hackett's league? |
I would say, the league of Steve Hackett can have one member only: Steve Hackett. In the Progland, he is one of the Mount Olympus dwellers. Of course they are not alike and not mathematically equal to each other, yet, from the point of view of a music historian, can hardly be pigeonholed into "leagues"
Same applies, I should think, to any genre and style.
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Thank you, Fripp, for our daily Prog (Red 39:54)
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twosteves
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Posted: February 04 2015 at 16:24 |
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I think he is but he has gravitas and a mystery to him that keeps the legend alive.
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Cristi
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Posted: February 04 2015 at 14:41 |
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Butchband
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Posted: October 08 2014 at 18:07 |
I think he is a little overrated. I mean, is he in, say, Steve Hackett's league?
But, having said that I recently purchased the 40th anniversary edition of Starless and Bible Black influenced by hearing John Wetton perform the tune with 2014 U.K. Version on the Cruise to the Edge tour. The album is excellent.
Funny anecdote re: Fripp. About 25 years ago, he played a solo concert in a record store in Ft. Lauderdale, FL. The record store (Peaches) got pretty crowded and the fans became somewhat unruly - resulting in much pilfering of albums!
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