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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 05:40


That's a scandal that they forbid nature's gift.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 05:34
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

And I have to say that mushrooms are not illegal per se - only if prepared, and I believe the laws are fairly lax concerning them at present, as with Salvia.

Too late, I'm afraid! Shrooms became entirely illegal as of around August of last year. Salvia's another matter but I'm not going there again!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 04:16

" bio pot << this is important)"

Indeed!!


"but I have seen him cross the street to salute my buddy and exchange a few pleasant words."

...and a few little bags maybe also?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 04:09
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

As Easy Livin' quite rightly pointed out, certain drugs are illegal, and it doesn't matter a jot how safe you consider them to be, or how little or how much you use them... sooner or later, it is likely you could find yourself facing a court of law, and possibly a prison sentence.

Health issues aside, remember - you may be having a good time, and doing no harm to anyone, but you're breaking the law, and should accept the risks inherent.    
 
It actually depends in which country you live in.
 
I work in The Netherlands where smoking and detention of pot derivates are legal and so are the mushrooms and others. This does not give one bit more criminal activity than in neighboring countries. The only downside to this legal dealing through coffee shop is that the chain of supply is controlled by shady characters (often bikers, but semi mafioso hoods too), but you can safely buy the stuff wothout risking a knife blow to steal your dough.
 
I live my WE in Belgium, where detention and use are depenalized (as it is in Germany and Spain), as long as the detention is for your own private use (they consider up to 5g private use) and that your use of it is not detrimental to your sociability. In other words, if you have a job, a home, a well-taken care of family, have no criminal record (for violent or theft) and you smoke up regularly , the justice will simply leave the case closed or drop it entirely. Cops are even not confiscating the pot anymore.
 
A Brussels buddy of mine got once arrested for twenty plants in his backyard. He had been known as a turbulent youth and when the police was tipped off, they came down and confiscated it. The newsâper started talking of 500 plants and kids (two young adorable girls) living in the middle of it. Once it got to court,my friend explained the jusdge that he made professionally (informatics) twice the money the judge did, his girls were among the top students at school and drug free (he paid for the blood test) and he never went on the hunt for dope on the streets (because he always had sufficient supply of bio pot << this is important) and therefore did not contribute to the drug dealing scene. He was acquitted and they even gave him all of his material back. He told me that his  200g stash/reserve was also given back; but I have doubts of this, though!  I would not go as fart as to say that the judge is now friends with my buddy, but I have seen him cross the street to salute my buddy and exchange a few pleasant words.


Edited by Sean Trane - August 24 2006 at 04:10
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 03:55


Wise words.

Actually, the origin of cannabis prohibition comes from the american paper industry (forest exploitation) at the beginning of the century; They were afraid of fiber hemp (non psychoactive hemp) concurrence (much more ecological as it avoid to destroy forests) and so creates a confusion between fiber and “Indian” hemps species and invented propaganda about the second in order to ban the first.

USA even modified Japanese constitution in 1945 to forbidden hemp which was traditionally used since the night of times, like everywhere.

First American wallets, clothes, ropes: all was made of fiber hemp, which is the most resistant rope and has many qualities, even nutritional (hemp oil is the richest food in proteins).

Hemp remains an ecological bomb: it produces more material than cotton, but doesn’t require any chemical treatment like cotton does. It may for example depollute soils ruined by “regular” agriculture, as hemp uses a lot of nitrate during its growing stage.


-->Sean, "Salvia divinorum" differs from "Salvia officionalis", it's a psychoactive mexican specie used by shamans as a mushroom subsitute when they're in mushroom shortage. It's legal.

"Always was risky even when this was made by official scientist for research and recreation " Stanislas Grof experiences show few badtrips, probably due to the fact that the "psychonaut" trusts the doctors and that they have some thorazine under the hand in case of problem.



    
    
    
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 03:48
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:


Well, doing acid today is quite risky IMO, as you're not sure about the product's purity.
 
Always was risky even when this was made by official scientist for research and recreation . It became even more so once it became illegal and was manufactured illegaly and smuggled.
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by Zoso Zoso wrote:

I smoke weed regularly and have done shrooms and salvia, but I think I'm going to wait on acid.
 
 
Salvia is your average sage (the wonderful leaves used in kitchen) >> I never knew this gave an effect.Confused Parsley is actually a toxic plant if abused too.
 
I knew about smoking nutmeg and tea were giving you something similar to pot, but the come down was awful (lasted three days in case of nutmeg)Dead Clematis seeds are also smokable >> never tried either of them
 
 
 
 
Maani,
 
I am afraid Fred was maybe confusing schizophrenia with paranoia. Paranoia is a well known side effect of pot smoking, easily avoidable for most >> just smoke it in good non-stressing conditions.
 
But this paranoia (if repeated side-effects occur often while smoking) can possibly lead to a deeper and more permanent trauma. And possibly reinforce the need for other drugs.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 03:41
Superb post, Maani (as always) particularly your highlighting the two most highly addictive and statistically dangerous drugs, both of which are legal and (to an extent) socially acceptable - our old friends alcohol & tobacco.

You also railed against heroin, cocaine, crystal meth and MDMA; two of these I have never tried, and never intend to, the other two I have tried in the past, enjoyed them & left them behind. One of these (cocaine) is becoming more and more common in British (and I suspect American) society, not among the stereotypical 'drug-users', but among the middle classes, where you're almost as likely to be offered a line as a glass of wine at a party (slight exaggeration, but...) - my point is, the very 'normality' of certain drugs in some situations leads to a blase attitude toward their illegality.

As Easy Livin' quite rightly pointed out, certain drugs are illegal, and it doesn't matter a jot how safe you consider them to be, or how little or how much you use them... sooner or later, it is likely you could find yourself facing a court of law, and possibly a prison sentence.

Health issues aside, remember - you may be having a good time, and doing no harm to anyone, but you're breaking the law, and should accept the risks inherent.    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 03:27
Thanks to Maani for making things clear about marijuana.  It is refreshing to finally hear someone comment on what schizophrenia is.  However, there are several kinds of schizophrenias...and what works on dealing with one type of schizophrenias does not work on another.  Sufferers need to actually be aware which one they have, and to be able to work with a doctor who can discern the difference between them, and do something about them - as opposed to saying that someone smokes pot, and therefore 'that must be it'.
 
Pot seems to be blamed for a lot of mental illnesses in the press, especially lately... as I am constantly told that there is now medical proof that marijuana causes a variety of mental illness, however, I have not been directed to any scientific literature that unequivically states that, and with the literature that does, I have been able to find contradicting findings (usually made at a later date), at times by the same publisher. 
 
The latest finding that i heard made me laugh.  A study of 87 Australian adults that already had mental illness was asked to use marijuana and to talk about its effects on them.  What the majority stated was that it did give them a greater sence of well being, which was 'taken away' when the drug was no longer available.  I had to laugh, not for the study, but for 'new and improved' claims that marijuana causes brain damage.  What this study shows (for the avid reader) is that marijuana works (for these ppl) in a similiar manner to that of any other psychiatric drug on the market at the moment (ie... if the drug actually works).
 
I am rather interested in this subject, partly because I smoke pot myself.  In fact, my use probably compares that to Oliverstoned, but over a longer period of time (I have slown down over the years).  This is my chosen 'poison', and although I have experimented with other drugs, I have no longer any interest in most of them.  Yes, I enjoy a good beer, and a social drink with some friends is always welcome, but thats really it.  (oh yeah, and music too Tongue).  I am NOT advocating its use to anyone at all, but I will state that, as far as mental processes are concerned, it has not deproved them (it hasent improved them either - i simply enjoy its use). 
 
Also, I have heard that some believe that mary-jane damages the brain.  Actually, THC lodges into a receptor that is present in some brain cells, and, as THC is fat soluable, the receptor is occupied for some time (between 1-3 mths as a rough estimate). However, it does not damage the brain, and if you dont want this receptor to be present, just dont smoke for a while.  Alcohol, on the other hand, actually strips the fat from the brain (especially from the membrane).  The brain cell (on average) consists of approx. 60% fat - and of certain fats at that.  I find that giving myself a break from this drug is actually quite easy (I find not eating hot chips more difficult and i only stop eating them now because i have found that I am actually allergic to them (but not potatoes thou, go figure)).  I have only a couple of nights where I have a couple of hrs less sleep and that is it.  Yet I hear that 'thousands' need treatment.... Dont get it - thou I do understand that it would occur to those suseptable to it.
 
There is a danger that should be watched thou.  The brain dosent finish developing until adulthood (approx. 20-22 yrs of age), and mary-jane is a psychoactive agent.  Although I escaped unscathed, i agree that no psychoactives should be taken, at least until the brain has matured. (any further discision should be up to the persons own discresion).  Mind you, that includes antidepressents, and I have had more severe reactions and, shall we say, mind altercations, from this group of drugs than with mary-jane.
 
Also, I am annoyed with those who choose to pontificate about the lack of medicinal use with this herb/drug.  I suffer from severe, thou occasional (thankfully) migraine headaches.  It does not prevent the headaches from taking place, but can make the pain bearable enough to go to sleep, regardless of its severity.  Also, with a wide variety of anti-migraine medication on the market, they appear to have a 'plagued by vague' atribute about them which lasts for days.  This does not occur with medicinally used marijuana.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2006 at 01:02

Let me put in my two joints...er, cents worth...Wink

According to The Center for Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA), the most highly respected organization of its kind, while it is true that marijuana can be (not is, but can be) a "gateway" to other drugs, the #1 gateway "drug" is...tobacco.  Pot is a close second, with alcohol a close third.

 

Re Syd Barrett, Mystic Fred's claim is ridiculous.  Barrett's psycho-emotional problems long pre-date his use of drugs: he was apparently misdiagnosed as a child, and had been suffering from a clinical condition for decades.

 

In this regard, the claim that marijuana or drugs can "cause" schizophrenia shows a complete lack of understanding of the disease.  Schizophrenia cannot be "caused" by anything - it is a bio-chemical condition of the brain.  And although it is possible - maybe - that marijuana or other drugs can "catalyze" a non-evident schizophrenia, there is far too little evidence to support this yet.

 

As well, it has not been noted yet that more people are addicted to - and/or abusing - prescription drugs than all illegal drugs combined.  And prescription drugs can have just as a serious an adverse effect on the brain and body as any illegal drug - indeed, they can often be worse, especially when taken in combinations.

 

I also want to provide some statistics re something that has been mentioned.

 

Tobacco-related diseases (lung cancer, throat cancer, emphysema, etc.) kill well over 500,000 people per year - in the U.S. alone.  And alcohol-related illness (cirrhosis, etc.) kills well over 100,000 people per year - in the U.S. alone.  And this does not include the 25,000-35,000 that are killed in drunk driving-related accidents.

 

In this regard, the smoking of marijuana has never been found to be the cause of death in a single person in the history of humankind, unless the marijuana was "tainted" with something else (PCP, etc.).  Nor have hallucinogens (LSD, mescaline, psylocybin) been found to be the cause of death of any person, unless these drugs were "cut" with something else (speed, meth, etc.).  And even if such cases could be found, more people die from snake bites and lightning.  Nor has anyone committed a crime – much less a violent crime – while under the influence of marijuana, again unless the marijuana was tainted, or the person was using other drugs as well.  Indeed, marijuana tends to make people somewhat more “docile” – while alcohol often brings out the “beast” in an otherwise passive person.  Finally, neither tobacco nor alcohol has been found to have any medical value at all (other than using alcohol in a pinch as a mild anesthetic).

 

Marijuana, on the other hand, has a number of proven medical uses.  It is used by glaucoma patients to ease pressure on the eyes.  It is used by cancer patients to ease the nausea associated with chemotherapy and radiation therapy.  It is used by AIDS patients to ease nausea and increase appetite.  And because THC lowers blood pressure overall (there is a short spike in blood pressure at first, but after this, bp lowers significantly), it is now being used by cardiac patients.  Indeed, in this final regard, marijuana could end up saving thousands, perhaps millions of lives.

 

Marijuana and cancer?  Nope.  Although any foreign substance in the lungs is not a good thing, there has been no statistical correlation found between marijuana and lung disease.  In fact, consider the following.  The country of Jamaica - which has the highest per capita consumption of marijuana in the world - has one of the lowest lung cancer rates in the world.  Yet China - which has among the lowest per capita consumption rates of marijuana of any country - has one of the highest lung cancer rates in the world.  (It is no coincidence that the Chinese are rabid cigarette smokers.)  This single fact speaks volumes more than all the conjecture and paranoia of the anti-pot crowd.

 

Heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, MDMA.  These (and others) are the true dangers, the drugs that kill, that have no medical value, that should strike fear in the heart of every God-fearing (even atheist…LOL) person, and that should be kept out of the hands of every child (and adult).

 

This does not mean that other drugs – marijuana, hallucinogens, etc. – are necessarily “good.”  But it is important that we deal in facts and not fear.  “Just say no” was not simply an abject failure; based on demographic statistics throughout the U.S. over an extended period, it actually drove more teenagers to say “yes” – since kids often use a form of “reverse psychology” when confronted with authority.

 
Finally, re LSD, there is no more real LSD-25 being created now.  And even the synthetic LSD is not "real" LSD.  Rather, what is now called "LSD" is usually something quite different: possibly PCP, possibly combinations of things.  In any case, it is not what was manufactured between 1959 and about 1985 (when the last supplier of real LSD-25 went out of business).  So I would be very wary of taking "LSD" these days, since one is not always certain what one is going to get - and the results could be disappointing, if not dangerous.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:54
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Anyone considered to be promoting the use of drugs here will be considered to be breaching the site rules.


I'm terribly sorry if I sounded like a drug promotor. I have no intention to get people into drugs. I am personally extremely cautious, and although my post might be concieved as an attempt to get people into cannabis, my only intention with it was to inform people of the reality of cannabis.

Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

Oliverstoned and Phileas:

not that I don't believe you but I am interested, where did you find your statistics?


Through Wikipedia, I discovered a site dedicated to, as it says "documenting the complex relations between humans and psychoactives". This is the article I found the info in. They appear to have valid, trustworthy sources. It's not like they're dismissing the dangers of cannabis althogether, but there appears to be valid scientific proof that cannabis isn't as bad as our governments want us to believe. The article itself is long, but do take time to read through it, it is highly interesting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:22


Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

what goes up MUST come down.



What goes up, must come down
What goes round, must come round
What's been lost, must be found



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:15
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am totally ashamed of all those nights spent wandering around fields, woods and mystic stone circles, watching bands like Hawkwind, Here & Now and the Ozric Tentacles playing with cosmic lightshows, and druids performing ages-old ceremonies, women dancing naked...


You indulged at Here and Now gigs too, eh?

Seriously - I think none of us quoted in my previous posting would ever glorify or advocate the use of drugs; the point is like it or not, they can have their up-sides as well as their down-sides - but the very fact they have their (occasionally very serious) downsides must make anyone who is even considering trying them think very carefully before going ahead.

    
Absolutely, Jim - one does not, after all, require drugs to enjoy music, stone circles or naked women - especially at the same time. And I have to say that mushrooms are not illegal per se - only if prepared, and I believe the laws are fairly lax concerning them at present, as with Salvia.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with getting high - drinking alcohol does that. And there's a jolly good reason that people take recreational drugs - they can make you feel very good indeed - so good, that you just want to do it all over again.

But as you crave a greater and greater high, you end up poisoning yourself. Every time I have eaten a particular variety of mushroom, they have made me physically sick.

There's a basic law of physics - what goes up MUST come down.

There's also a basic law of Russian Roulette - some enjoy the thrills of the game, but a few never play it again.

In one case, a dear friend of mine became medically schitzophrenic after smoking cannabis - and I mean approximately 20 minutes after smoking it. She would eventually recover, as the effects wore off, but she had already developed a psychological addiction to it. Every time she smoked it, she got worse and worse until the invitable happened and she took her own life - which was a tragedy for her partner and children, not to mention her many friends.

When you have seen people try to commit suicide because of the effects of the drugs they have taken, it makes you think twice. Next time it really could be you - it really is that random.

You cannot rely on drugs to give you a good time - which is one good reason for not bothering in the first place.

But there's no stopping the terminally curious!

    

Indeed, that's a terrible and moving story.

"When you have seen people try to commit suicide because of the effects of the drugs they have taken"

In this case, the psychoactive drug revealed a pre-existing psychological problem, don't you think?

It's like the people who become crazy being drunk, take a
sporting-gun and kill 5 persons!

In this case, alcohol is of course not responsible, but plays an un-inhibitor role, for the worst, revealing a psychological problem.

More common is the case of men beating their women when drunk. Alcohol is only partially responsible, and may even be an excuse. But it indeed exites the worst instincts.







    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:13
Originally posted by darksinger darksinger wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am totally ashamed of all those nights spent wandering around fields, woods and mystic stone circles, watching bands like Hawkwind, Here & Now and the Ozric Tentacles playing with cosmic lightshows, and druids performing ages-old ceremonies, women dancing naked...
You indulged at Here and Now gigs too, eh? [IMG]smileys/smiley9.gif" align=middle> Seriously - I think none of us quoted in my previous posting would ever glorify or advocate the use of drugs; the point is like it or not, they can have their up-sides as well as their down-sides - but the very fact they have their (occasionally very serious) downsides must make anyone who is even considering trying them think very carefully before going ahead.[IMG]smileys/smiley22.gif" align=middle>
      Absolutely, Jim - one does not, after all, require drugs to enjoy music, stone circles or naked women - especially at the same time. And I have to say that mushrooms are not illegal per se - only if prepared, and I believe the laws are fairly lax concerning them at present, as with Salvia.

 

the problem with banning salvia is that it is a common garden plant, if i'm correct...i think i even had it in my gardens a long time ago.

    
Yes, and hemp is a common plant, as are poppies...
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am totally ashamed of all those nights spent wandering around fields, woods and mystic stone circles, watching bands like Hawkwind, Here & Now and the Ozric Tentacles playing with cosmic lightshows, and druids performing ages-old ceremonies, women dancing naked...


You indulged at Here and Now gigs too, eh?

Seriously - I think none of us quoted in my previous posting would ever glorify or advocate the use of drugs; the point is like it or not, they can have their up-sides as well as their down-sides - but the very fact they have their (occasionally very serious) downsides must make anyone who is even considering trying them think very carefully before going ahead.

    
Absolutely, Jim - one does not, after all, require drugs to enjoy music, stone circles or naked women - especially at the same time. And I have to say that mushrooms are not illegal per se - only if prepared, and I believe the laws are fairly lax concerning them at present, as with Salvia.

 
the problem with banning salvia is that it is a common garden plant, if i'm correct...i think i even had it in my gardens a long time ago.
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Originally posted by video vertigo video vertigo wrote:

Oliverstoned and Phileas:

not that I don't believe you but I am interested, where did you find your statistics?

    

If you talk about the governmental study result stating that Alcohol multiplicate accident's risk per 8 and canna per 2, i read it on Le monde or Le figaro, our biggest "newspapers".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:04
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I am totally ashamed of all those nights spent wandering around fields, woods and mystic stone circles, watching bands like Hawkwind, Here & Now and the Ozric Tentacles playing with cosmic lightshows, and druids performing ages-old ceremonies, women dancing naked...


You indulged at Here and Now gigs too, eh?

Seriously - I think none of us quoted in my previous posting would ever glorify or advocate the use of drugs; the point is like it or not, they can have their up-sides as well as their down-sides - but the very fact they have their (occasionally very serious) downsides must make anyone who is even considering trying them think very carefully before going ahead.

    
Absolutely, Jim - one does not, after all, require drugs to enjoy music, stone circles or naked women - especially at the same time. And I have to say that mushrooms are not illegal per se - only if prepared, and I believe the laws are fairly lax concerning them at present, as with Salvia.

There is nothing intrinsically wrong with getting high - drinking alcohol does that. And there's a jolly good reason that people take recreational drugs - they can make you feel very good indeed - so good, that you just want to do it all over again.

But as you crave a greater and greater high, you end up poisoning yourself. Every time I have eaten a particular variety of mushroom, they have made me physically sick.

There's a basic law of physics - what goes up MUST come down.

There's also a basic law of Russian Roulette - some enjoy the thrills of the game, but a few never play it again.

In one case, a dear friend of mine became medically schitzophrenic after smoking cannabis - and I mean approximately 20 minutes after smoking it. She would eventually recover, as the effects wore off, but she had already developed a psychological addiction to it. Every time she smoked it, she got worse and worse until the invitable happened and she took her own life - which was a tragedy for her partner and children, not to mention her many friends.

When you have seen people try to commit suicide because of the effects of the drugs they have taken, it makes you think twice. Next time it could be you - it really is that random.

You cannot rely on drugs to give you a good time - which is one good reason for not bothering in the first place.

But there's no stopping the terminally curious!
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2006 at 17:01
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

sorry to sound like your auntie on this subject, i am not immature, i have no teenage sons, but i have spent the last several years of my working life (as a security officer) discouraging hundreds of  teenagers from using drugs, however soft. Fair enough there are cigarettes, which i dissuade youngsters from using but they still do, and the RESPONSIBLE use of alchohol  is ok, i.e. not drinking and driving/bingeing for starters. What really irritates is so called responsible adults advocating soft drugs, even the Police let us down by re-classifying cannabis, but it does lead to schizophrenia and brain damage, believe me i've known people affected by it and many (but not all) move onto harder drugs, dealers, criminality etc.etc.  anyone remotely interested in rock knows the dangers of "experimentation" through what happened to many including Syd Barret for instance, who was a heavy user. Other members of Floyd were worried about him at the time and eventually sacked him from the band, i love psychedelic music such as Hawkwind (see my reviews!) and have never felt the need to take drugs to appreciate them. There have been many oppportunities, i'm glad i never took them. That's all i have to say further on this subject and that's my opinion, agree or disagree. Stern Smile

 
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there are only a couple of times in my life i actually got high (although my friends thought i was "riding shotgun" when they smoked stuff around me), both by accident. One time, I was adhering a silk screen in my basement, which has no ventilation. For those of you not familiar with silk screening, you cut a "stencil" out of lacquer film and adhere the lacquer to a frame with silk stretched on it. to do this, you use acetone to melt the lacquer to the silk. So I had breathed in alot of acetone fumes and was extremely pleasant for several hours despite having a headache.
 
the other time, i had a monster migraine (i am prone to migraines) and had accidentally taken tylenol and advil too close to each other, combined with the caffiene and aspartame of diet soda. everything in me seemed to be accelerated and a rush just went through me.
 
i also had bizarre effects off of the now banned seldane, which had been prescribed to me for allergies at the time. one was this light-headedness and just everything seems to pull away from me. I stopped taking it right away.
 
Most of my hallucinating comes from my lack of sleep. It is not unusual for me to be up until i see bugs crawling all over me...
 
I do not recommend any of this to anyone....especially because i don't want the admins to think i'm endorsing anything...


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not that I don't believe you but I am interested, where did you find your statistics?
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i have smoked copious amounts of Litter Green kitty litter and ingested handfuls of green M&M's

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