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Evans 
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 Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:02 |
I think we'd all be a little over-protective if we had a girl who liked Opeth and Deep Purple 
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:57 |
 Evans wrote:
thing is, pomte, Raffaela (ghost rider) is micky's sweetheart, so he gets very defensive (and possibly jealous, hehe) when people are bad to her, but he usually does not go out of his way to me an asshole (unless you start a DT-bassist thread, in which case you may actually deserve it). :)
Also, he does have a point about your review, i realise it was one of your first reviews, and of course you can review anything you want, but many times people review albums they hate only out of frustration, and it is usually reflected in the writing, plus an all-negative review is hard to take seriously, just like raving about an album you just heard without even mentioning any flaws it might have is not very useful.
I like, however, that you seem to put some time into reviewing, even if there is room for improvement in the writing itself, many people just give a five-word review saying "amagad, this is rock, and i love it the most", that's the worst kind as far as i'm concerned. We all have different styles of reviewing, i tend to talk a lot about irrelevant issues and use strange metaphores, and some do a song by song review and then use some sort of mathematical division to calculate the amount of stars to give. All styles are needed and practice makes perfect!
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My reviews suck, and I know it. That really isn't the point, although I already admitted to laplace that the one for TBiG was especially horrible, and I also admited that I probably gave it too hard of a time.
Now that you have explained why micky got the way he did with me, I suppose I now understand why he jumped to conclusions as to what I meant by the comment I made (He must be one of those overely-protective, jump-the-gun types). I thank you for explaining in an intelligent, flame-free manner exactly what the problem was with my review, it is much appreciated, and I will make sure to do better the next time I give something a negative review. 
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Evans
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:46 |
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thing is, pomte, Raffaela (ghost rider) is micky's sweetheart, so he gets very defensive (and possibly jealous, hehe) when people are bad to her, but he usually does not go out of his way to me an asshole (unless you start a DT-bassist thread, in which case you may actually deserve it). :)
Also, he does have a point about your review, i realise it was one of your first reviews, and of course you can review anything you want, but many times people review albums they hate only out of frustration, and it is usually reflected in the writing, plus an all-negative review is hard to take seriously, just like raving about an album you just heard without even mentioning any flaws it might have is not very useful.
I like, however, that you seem to put some time into reviewing, even if there is room for improvement in the writing itself, many people just give a five-word review saying "amagad, this is rock, and i love it the most", that's the worst kind as far as i'm concerned. We all have different styles of reviewing, i tend to talk a lot about irrelevant issues and use strange metaphores, and some do a song by song review and then use some sort of mathematical division to calculate the amount of stars to give. All styles are needed and practice makes perfect!
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:44 |
 good.. glad that is settled.. now back on topic.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:39 |
micky wrote:
it is constructive criticism.... saying a album is horrible... more times that one with ADD can count does not refect a good ....or a particularly creative review. IMO.. of course which is all this is... and if you get tired of my opinion.. just ignore me.. you won't be the first. You can review an album you hate.. or dislike... and sometimes they can be the best of reviews... but they are not easy to do without coming across just mean-spirited or spiteful
As far as shots... not shots... just explaining things for you. First off.. what you said could be interpetated as manipulation and your review fed straight into that. Second... you insulted a poster here ..whether you intended it or not.. .by implying that they were not smart enough to see the subtle differences between Opeth and PT. That is why I have taken in interest in you. If you want to pick on others opinions.. you will have yours similarly picked at. Again..it's not personal... it's life.
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Well, I truly did not mean to insult anyone. As far as I can recall, I simply told the person on the Opeth thread that he can have his opinion of what he hears in them, and that was fine, but at the same time, Opeth and PT's leaders have stated in the past that there are similarities. Personally, I think it depends on one's interpretation of that statement to conclude on what I meant by it, and while I admit after having it pointed out to me that it could have been taken as if I were insulting that person, I assure you I was not. I don't that, at least not intentionally, because I know what it feels like to have it done to me (especially on forums, and by people like you). So, again, I explained myself in that forum, and I have explained myself here, yet you seem to be getting a real charge out of picking on me, and frankly, I think I will take your advice and ignore you from now on, because you are clearly a mean-spirited bully who looks for excuses to throw out personal insults to people. While what I said was merely a misinterpretation, the things you have said to me were clearly meant in a hateful way. So, as far as I am cocnerned, I consider the matter closed; I know what kind of person you are now, and know how to react to whatever you may say. Have a nice life.
Again, don't missunderstand me on this, either: I'm not wanting to sound like a prick to you, but I am simply saying that I have pretty much summed up the situation: I can't win, even if I explain that my intentions were not to be mean to others, because you want to keep scouting out posts I make and insult them.
If I am making an unjust claim about you, then I guess all I can say is: prove me wrong. If we run into one another on another thread at another time and you actually aren't hostile towards me, maybe then I'll take back my judgement about you, but as of right now, I feel like you are someone who I can only ignore, because making peace won't work, and I am sorry for ever making that post back in the Opeth thread, because I sure didn't want to make enemies on this place, but I guess that can't be stopped now. 
Edited by p0mt3 - February 07 2008 at 16:44
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:39 |
laplace wrote:
don't worry, p0mt3. Micky even gives five stars to things he hates. o:)
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err... 4 stars... I dropped it a star 
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:31 |
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it is constructive criticism.... saying a album is horrible... more times that one with ADD can count does not refect a good ....or a particularly creative review. IMO.. of course which is all this is... and if you get tired of my opinion.. just ignore me.. you won't be the first. You can review an album you hate.. or dislike... and sometimes they can be the best of reviews... but they are not easy to do without coming across just mean-spirited or spiteful
As far as shots... not shots... just explaining things for you. First off.. what you said could be interpetated as manipulation and your review fed straight into that. Second... you insulted a poster here ..whether you intended it or not.. .by implying that they were not smart enough to see the subtle differences between Opeth and PT. That is why I have taken in interest in you. If you want to pick on others opinions.. you will have yours similarly picked at. Again..it's not personal... it's life.
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laplace
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:26 |
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don't worry, p0mt3. Micky even gives five stars to things he hates. o:)
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:21 |
Are you saying to not review anything I dislike? Why then is the one star option even available? If everyone did what you are suggesting to do, every album on here would be considered masterpieces.
Possibly I missunderstood your meaning, as I am feeling personally attacked at this point and could be missunderstanding what you meant.
You say it wasn't personal, but rather than simply giving me constructive advice from the getgo, you went out of your way to insult my review, then laugh about my writing abilities (or lack thereof). You have taken shots at me twice now that I can remember, and all I was doing on both occasions was voicing my own opinion. If I seemed like I was being rude or unfair in either case, I am truly sorry; can you please be a little less of a bully to me? I don't think I deserve to be insulted and jumped on for voicing an opinion.
Edited by p0mt3 - February 07 2008 at 16:32
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:15 |
not picking on you personally... none of this is personal. Just understand where the site comes from.. you may not have.. but others have played games with the rankings or ratings. When you put as much venom into a review then harp about how the album is grossly over-rated as you say. You invite suspicion. My advice.. it is much more productive to stick to what you like.... surely there is stuff you like.. makes you a bit more interesting.. and beneficial to have around. my two cents.. take it or leave it
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 16:11 |
micky wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Ah, laplance, I see you have decided to go through with writing that review! I must say, it is much better than mine, because it at least gives the band credit where credit is due. I also see that you went ahead with the two star rating afterall. I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly happy about this, as now the album's overall rating has regressed to a much more realistic rating of 3.7-something, instead of the 4.00 and beyond is was getting only a few days ago. |
Remember that ratings malipulation is a SERIOUS breach of site rules here. |
Oh, no I didn't, but either way that wasn't what I was implying Laplace was doing, or even I wanted to do, I was just commenting that now that the hysteria over this album is appearing to die down a bit, the ratings are beginning to balance out, and we now have a much more realistic overal number for it, that's all.
Hope I made myself clearer this time around, as I don't want anyone to think I am trying to break the rules. |
probably not.... there is a basis for those who manipulating the ratings....some do it for spite... others...to 'see the overall rating adjusted to what one thinks is realistic overall number'. Can't blame him or others for being suspicious..personally I think your review was shotty and half ass, a real hatchet job... count how many times you said....horrible. I don't care either way or not. I'm not a fan of the group. Just so that much is clear.
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 Why do you enjoy hurting me? You've done this in two threads now.
Edited by p0mt3 - February 07 2008 at 16:16
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 15:35 |
p0mt3 wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Ah, laplance, I see you have decided to go through with writing that review! I must say, it is much better than mine, because it at least gives the band credit where credit is due. I also see that you went ahead with the two star rating afterall. I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly happy about this, as now the album's overall rating has regressed to a much more realistic rating of 3.7-something, instead of the 4.00 and beyond is was getting only a few days ago. |
Remember that ratings malipulation is a SERIOUS breach of site rules here. |
Oh, no I didn't, but either way that wasn't what I was implying Laplace was doing, or even I wanted to do, I was just commenting that now that the hysteria over this album is appearing to die down a bit, the ratings are beginning to balance out, and we now have a much more realistic overal number for it, that's all.
Hope I made myself clearer this time around, as I don't want anyone to think I am trying to break the rules. |
probably not.... there is a basis for those who manipulating the ratings....some do it for spite... others...to 'see the overall rating adjusted to what one thinks is realistic overall number'. Can't blame him or others for being suspicious..personally I think your review was shotty and half ass, a real hatchet job... count how many times you said....horrible. I don't care either way or not. I'm not a fan of the group. Just so that much is clear.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 14:48 |
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It's a better version of the past two attempts minus the bullsh*t that was thrown in. Like uncapturing ambience and useless noodling. It was a tight album indeed.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 13:13 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Ah, laplance, I see you have decided to go through with writing that review! I must say, it is much better than mine, because it at least gives the band credit where credit is due. I also see that you went ahead with the two star rating afterall. I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly happy about this, as now the album's overall rating has regressed to a much more realistic rating of 3.7-something, instead of the 4.00 and beyond is was getting only a few days ago. |
Remember that ratings malipulation is a SERIOUS breach of site rules here. |
Oh, no I didn't, but either way that wasn't what I was implying Laplace was doing, or even I wanted to do, I was just commenting that now that the hysteria over this album is appearing to die down a bit, the ratings are beginning to balance out, and we now have a much more realistic overal number for it, that's all.
Hope I made myself clearer this time around, as I don't want anyone to think I am trying to break the rules.
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Philéas
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 11:24 |
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I don't like the new album. It sounds almost like som generic radio rock band trying to copy TMV. Omar's latest solo album (Calibration) is much better. I like all the other TMV albums, but this latest one was a bit of a let down. They can do much better.
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Soldier_Of_Fortune
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 11:16 |
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It certainly has it's moments, but falls a bit short. You are right, it's simply TOO much.
It would make a good 55 minute album, rather than an average 75 minute album which it is.
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Jared
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 08:56 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I really don't get it... There are lots of bands around I don't like, even if people praise them to high heaven. I'll give you a personal example: many members here consider Scenes from a Memory by Dream Theater an absolute masterpiece. I bought it, listened to it once, and was so underwhelmed I never wanted to put it on again.
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...absolutely, Raff... 
get help...seek counselling..or talk to others on PA about your problems before its too late... 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 08:49 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Ah, laplance, I see you have decided to go through with writing that review! I must say, it is much better than mine, because it at least gives the band credit where credit is due. I also see that you went ahead with the two star rating afterall. I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly happy about this, as now the album's overall rating has regressed to a much more realistic rating of 3.7-something, instead of the 4.00 and beyond is was getting only a few days ago. |
Remember that ratings malipulation is a SERIOUS breach of site rules here.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 01:32 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
I don't get the reaction either- it's not THAT different than their other releases (one of my complaints with it actually) and yet people are reacting like its Love Beach
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Well, I've only listened to "De-loused" additonally, but from what I heard on there I have to say, yeah, "Bedlam" really is THAT different.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 01:17 |
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Can't we just view this album without comparing it to De-Loused or anything else for the matter. I think that is what the band is trying to achieve.
Excellent album by the way.
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