Is ELP against christianity

thepods wrote: Arteum's arguments were the most consistently rational of this whole thread, it was the christians who quickly resorted to name-calling and brain-dead retoric.

How on earth did you arrive at that  conclusion? Not only can "Art" not handle some humor when the tables have been turned, he himself is guilty of having dealt some insults, whether subtle or overt. Maybe you should reread his posts.  

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Lateralus_66 wrote: The Wizard wrote: Someone needs to lock this post. I didn't mean for it to become such an intense religous  discussion. This is a Prog Music Lounge... Please,  "MODERATOR"  shutdown this...

Grow up!!!

If you cant read a passionate discussion without getting all flustered then you really need to ask if forum life is for you.

Ignore the thread if it upsets you.........

Plus ca change plus c'est la meme choise...

The Atheists think the Christians are stupid,the Christians think the Atheists are spiritually bankrupt.

The Atheists believe that the Christains have been blinded by fear,the Christians believe the Atheists have been blinded by Satan.

never the twain shall meet.............?

I am an Atheist and I object to Agnostics being put in the same category.

The Agnostics,I pity them-though the fence-sitting cowards make me puke.

Let's all gang up on them.......

Edited by Tony R

Arteum wrote: Dear friends, those who support my opinions at least, I am leaving this site. I intended to do it since the inclusion of Radiohead (which I oppose), but I feel it especially below my dignity to read the reviews and opinions of people 90% of whom are religious lunatics.

Considering that you're leaving the forum, you're probably not going to read this, but I felt that I should comment.

Firstly, your statement of 90% is over the top.  There's no way you can realistically back up this figure.

Secondly, I object to the phrase "religious lunatics".  I am a Christian, but how has that affected my life?  The choices regarding the clothes I wear, the car I drive, the food I eat, the place I live, the work I do, the political party I support and the sports teams I follow are not influenced by my religion.  I will accept that for some people religion does play a part in these choices, but not in my case.

The type of music that I listen to, books that I read, and films that I watch has also not been influenced by my religion.  The content certainly has, as I wouldn't want to watch/read/listen to something that was anti-Christian, but I listen to prog and read sci-fi and fantasy because I like them, not because I am a Christian.

There are obviously aspects of my life that are influenced by my religion, otherwise my faith would be pointless, but in terms of the things I've listed, I'm just a normal, average person (if listening to prog can be regarded as being normal).

And finally, by believing what I believe, how is that a bad thing?  If you're right and I'm wrong, I don't see what I've missed out on.  Whereas if you're wrong and I'm right, I've gained a lot more.

Arteum wrote: Dear friends, those who support my opinions at least, I am leaving this site. I intended to do it since the inclusion of Radiohead (which I oppose), but I feel it especially below my dignity to read the reviews and opinions of people 90% of whom are religious lunatics. Oh, internet! Thank you for choosing my society for me! I no longer trust the moderators. One of them showed himself not only a loony but a professional charlatan. The other moderators included Queen, and other bands whose progressiveness I very much doubt. The site is undergoing a rapid expansion with being inclusive rather than exclusive, but I feel this practice is very harmful. It will end up being no better than amazon.com. Haven't the moderators thought of selling some merchandise yet? The forum is childish, rude and often obscene. I was genuinely shocked when I first discovered it (I had thought that the prog listeners were mostly rational intellectuals). The messages the people write and the language they use do not leave the room for a self-respected person to be here any more. I will probably drop in on progarchives now and then to check some factual information on some bands, but I am pulling out of writing reviews and discussing anything with vulgar people on the forum. There are many intellectual prog sites on the web, albeit not so complete and not so well organised. But I hope it is easier to breathe there. http://www.mwillett.org/

 

I agree that this forum is rude.People have little respect.Its what happens when you get a load of blokes in one place.Gigantic pissing contest insues.People here really believe the rubbish they spout.....but before anyone says..yes I know..people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones 

I will eventually leave as well.The inclusion of Queen is the beginning of the end.The integrity of the site was undermined from that point on.At least Radiohead have made some prog albums so their inclusion was warranted IMHO. 

We are all religious lunatics.My religion is ELP and prog.I give thanks to the good Lord Emerson everyday.

BaldJean:

You mean...they don't?!! ()

Starette:

At the risk of sounding "chastising," your enlightenment is not increased by calling people "bastards."  Nor would it seem the "Christian" thing to do to be "laughing" at the "misguided" and "lost."  Rather, we should be expressing agape love and praying for them.  After all, if you ask yourself "What would Jesus do?" in this situation, I would have to doubt that He would be following your advice...

Arteum:

"Charlatan?"  Although I don't worry about "words" (think "sticks and stones..."), it should be instructive to you that even the most ardent of your supporters here would almost certainly never use that particular word to describe me.  Zealous?  Sure.  Devout?  Yup.  Fanatical?  Possibly.  But "charlatan?"

According to Webster's, a charlatan is "one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability.  A fraud or faker."  My claims to "knowledge or ability" were never "showy" nor "pretenses," but were always backed up by solid supporting evidence.  Yours, on the other hand, were "showy pretenses" since you never once offered one shred of support for your claims of "knowledge or ability."  As for "fraud or faker," I may be incorrect in my knowledge or understanding of something, but I never make claims that are in any way deliberately or consciously phony or fraudulent.  Since you never provided any support - whether legitimate or phony - for any of your claims, we cannot know if you are a "fraud or faker," so you get to wheedle out of that one.

Still, I am going to miss our stimulating debate.  It certainly kept me on my toes.

Peace.

Arteum wrote: The forum is childish, rude and often obscene. I was genuinely shocked when I first discovered it (I had thought that the prog listeners were mostly rational intellectuals). The messages the people write and the language they use do not leave the room for a self-respected person to be here any more. I will probably drop in on progarchives now and then to check some factual information on some bands, but I am pulling out of writing reviews and discussing anything with vulgar people on the forum. There are many intellectual prog sites on the web, albeit not so complete and not so well organised. But I hope it is easier to breathe there. http://www.mwillett.org/

 

I was not going to comment until I read this!  I all have to say is

 

 

Why does it upset christians to ask the obvious questions?Greg Lake is asking why?He is not saying god dosnt exist.He is just asking the age old questons.How come the church burned Bruno at the stake?It is because they cant take it when they are proven wrong on anything.I think ELP,Jethro Tull,Black Sabbath,King Diamond,Pink Floyd and all others who might challange religion are doing a service.Yes we all need ethics but not christian ethics.

, the problem i have with beliving in God is that i dont think if he exists that he give a sh*t about us, and where does he live on mars or a cloude in the sky?

Actually he cares a lot but if you want to live in a world separate from God he gives you that freedom. So if you want to love him he reciprocates and if you want to be independent he loves you still and lets you try.It seems that you don't really disbelieve in God but are just a bit uncertain due to lack of information.

 

 

and how can all people live in paradise it must be overloded with peopel if every human that have ever lived is going there when they die...

Well even this universe in inconceivably large and you concede the possibility of other universes.

 

 

 there is to much stuff in the bibel that dont make sens and yust sounds like fery tales.

The bible is just one scripture and may not be the best.I accept that it is imperfect but I still think there is enough there to get one moving spiritually

But i dont hate people who belive in God or Gods o whatever i yust say what i think, and i know i sucks at speling and im not very smart, sorry. Meby im to stupid to belive in god

 I don't recommend blind faith but nowadays more often I see blind doubt. In answer to Greg Lakes's question why did God lose 6 million Jews the reply I would give is that the people who killed the Jews Hitler Himmler Goering and Goebles were  atheists following a Godless philosophy. And pure atheism has never been followed through as a philosphy. If we are just chemicals set to flap for some time why are people punished for their crimes. It is because the individual ( soul) has choices beyond their bodily structure. When a person dies we say Fred is gone but Fred's body is still there. So Fred is something beyond the body.

Jesus Allah Yahweh Krishna Rama Buddha