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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:14
I've heard it several times.

It's sickening.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:09

What's wrong with you guys?

Have any of you actually heard the album? Thought not!Embarrassed

I have a 13 year old daughter,so I can claim to have heard the album at head-splitting volume at least 100 times!Cry




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:09

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

You're asking people on a prog rock forum - of course we hate Green Day!

Not I.Stern Smile

"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:08
You're asking people on a prog rock forum - of course we hate Green Day!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 16:07
They fart in your general direction....Wink
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:50
Originally posted by Shatterwolf Shatterwolf wrote:

Quote No, American Idiot is Green Day's masterpiece, their magnum opus

I almost vomited.



I did vomit.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:42
Worst part?  I used to date the guy who wrote that review.  He had bad taste in EVERYTHING...  except me of course, but the combined bad taste in everything else is why I left him.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:37

Quote No, American Idiot is Green Day's masterpiece, their magnum opus

I almost vomited.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:34
Green Day is horrible.  People seem to think they invented rock opera, because their new album has a loose, poorly-constructed concept.

Say, who wants to read the worst review EVER?

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American Idiot will go down in history as one of the best punk albums ever made. And yet, it almost wasn't. Shortly after the release of 2000's oddly experimental Warning:, the world's most successful punk band set to work on their seventh studio album, one intended to return Green Day to their hard-and-fast Dookie and Nimrod pedigree. As the Bay Area trio worked tirelessly, they dropped International Superhits! and B-side compilation Shenanigans to sate their fans' increasing hunger. And though frontman Billie Joe Armstrong and crew categorically deny it to this day, they even found time to invent "neo-new-wave" with The Network's trippy, hilarious debut Money Money 2020.

Then, tragedy struck. In a grave misfortune Bono has come to know all too well, the master tapes of Green Day's new record simply disappeared, stolen from the studio right under the band's noses. It was back to square one. During a particularly lax day in the studio, Green Day bassist Mike Dirnt decided to write a 30-second song. Intrigued, Billie Joe asked drummer Tre Cool to add another 30-second segment to it. As the musicians took turns adding chunks of song to what had already been created, they realized that something interesting was going on -- a sort of "plot" was beginning to develop. The punk-rock opera was born... and the rest, as they say, is history.

There's a point to this story above and beyond the creation of a brilliant new art form. Though it may not have seemed so initially, the theft of Green Day's "lost album" could very well be the best thing that has ever happened to the band. You see, American Idiot is not a good album. It's not even a great album. No, American Idiot is Green Day's masterpiece, their magnum opus, the indelible mark they have left on the music world forever. It is not only the best record of Green Day's career, but I can say with the utmost certainty that American Idiot is the single greatest album I have heard in my entire life. Your mileage may vary. I, for one, am in awe.

    "Welcome to a new kind of tension / All across the alienation / Where everything isn't meant to be okay..." -- "American Idiot"
To keep things in perspective, American Idiot is not your average Green Day album. While previous entries in the band's canon have featured collections of fantastic individual tunes ranging from the serious to the not-so-much, American Idiot is an opera, which means that it is a single, cohesive, dead-serious story possessed of a distinct beginning, middle, and end. There are real, human, flesh-and-blood characters who you will come to know and who you will suffer with throughout the album's . There are tragedies. Betrayals. Plot twists. American Idiot is a one-hour manifesto on our world.

Yes, these are the guys who recorded an album named after bodily waste. The same three lads who sang songs about methamphetamine and sexual self-gratification. If you grew up with Green Day, you're in luck... Green Day has grown up with you. They've never been this angry, either. No one is safe from Green Day's 20/20 vision of society. The American domestic media is given just as much ill will as the nation's foreign policy. The leaders of our country are no more at fault for our current state of affairs than the apathetic suburbanite who allows it to go on. There is no one enemy, no one ally. It's never that simple.

    "To live and not to breathe / Is to die in tragedy..." -- "Tales of
    Another Broken Home"
Our story begins with the title track, a deceptively straightforward tune that belies the gravity of the material to follow. Granted, the song "American Idiot" does have a "single" feel about it, but the piece is easily superior to most of Green Day's radio-airwave contributions in the past. Their sound has continued to become fuller and more well-rounded as time goes on, but thanfully their punk essence has remained impervious to each successive album's increasingly immaculate production values. It's a fitting and wholly appropriate prologue to Green Day's finest hour. Then comes "Jesus of Suburbia." And the doors are blown wide open.

"Jesus of Suburbia" is a nine-minute epic suite composed of five separate and unique pieces -- "Jesus of Suburbia," "City of the Damned," "I Don't Care," "Dearly Beloved," and "Tales of Another Broken Home" -- which are expertly blended together with some exquisite guitar work. It is here that we are first introduced to our protagonist, Jesus of Suburbia, the disillusioned teenage "son of rage and love." Lost in a world of confusion, apathy, rage, loneliness, and drugs, Jesus doesn't come off as the kind of fellow who's going to take our story home into a warm and rising sun. And yet, for better or for worse, he's completely relatable, these nine minutes locking you into an empathetic mindset that persists throughout the length of this man's odyssey.

    "Sometimes I wish someone out there will find me / 'Til then I walk alone..." -- "Boulevard of Broken Dreams"
After giving us a sobering glimpse of Jesus' constricted and poisonous world, Green Day sets it against the intimidating backdrop of the international theater in "Holiday," their inevitable polemic against Gulf War II. The song is as powerful and poignant as it is inflammatory; our President is reduced to the status of "gasman" and the picture painted of battle is as hellish as one might imagine. The true power of the song, though, is derived from how our crazy modern world factors into the lives of Jesus and the other characters we meet. Green Day forces us to consider not only the casualties of war abroad, but also those in our own neighborhoods.

The aforementioned image is further reinforced by "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" and "Are We the Waiting," songs which come across as the anguished screams of a destitute soul. Not content to relegate their instrumental oeuvre to the standard guitar/bass/drums that characterize much of their back catalogue, Green Day brings in a series of new ingredients to these and the other tracks on the album, actualizing the pianos, bells, and orchestral inflections they experimented with on Warning:. These unorthodox expansions serve the music far better this time around as they have a greater context with which to justify them. It all feels eerily and brilliantly natural.

    "King of the 40 thieves and / I'm here to represent / The needle in the vein of the establishment..." -- "St. Jimmy"
Jesus of Suburbia needs a savior of his own, and it appears in the form of St. Jimmy, a streetwise kamikaze of a punk who comes off as just as destructive to himself as the "establishment" he so loathes. Red lights sound off like a million klaxons as the listener realizes that St. Jimmy may be the final push that sends the already-vulnerable Jesus of Suburbia over the edge, an idea which seems all the more valid during "Give Me Novocaine," a crucial moment when our protagonist seems to latch on to the false freedom St. Jimmy offers: "Tell me, Jimmy, I won't feel a thing / Give me novocaine." This track, even independent of the remainder of American Idiot, may be the most beautiful song Green Day has ever written.

Our third and final character, Whatsername, is introduced in the duality of "She's a Rebel" and "Extraordinary Girl." The transition from the lamentable chords of "Novocaine" to the uplifting riffs of "Rebel" illustrates that things may be looking up for Jesus after all, as he finds himself quite taken with Whatsername -- "She's holding on my heart / Like a hand grenade." The conflict outlined in "Extraordinary Girl," however, is our first clue that even this particular brand of salvation is too much to ask for.

    "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia / The St. Jimmy is a figment of / Your father's rage and your mother's love..." -- "Letterbomb"
The demons of the past are conjured in "Letterbomb," and with them, we realize that everything is crashing down as Green Day hurtles towards the third act. As with many of the tracks on the latter half of the record, elements of all that has come before, especially the characters and the feelings they emote, resurface to give the entirety a consummate cohesion. Needless to say, not even Whatsername can save Jesus of Suburbia from his numbing Hell: "She said, 'I can't take this town / I'm leaving you tonight.'"

"Wake Me Up When September Ends" is our protagonist's requisite dirge for what could have been. Soaked in acoustic guitars and bells, "September" is easy to regard as the spiritual successor to Green Day's venerable ballad "Good Riddance (Time of Your Life)." The band wisely omitted the names of their characters from this powerful song, choosing instead to serve us equal doses of American Idiot storyline and universal emotion without having to break down the fourth wall.

    "Jimmy died today / He blew his brains out into the bay..." -- "The Death of St. Jimmy
Finally, the threads of the story begin to be tied up, although not under the most ideal of circumstances. "Homecoming" is the nine-minute, third-act parallel to Act One's "Jesus of Suburbia," providing another set of five mini-songs tied together into a grand suite. St. Jimmy is dead and we find Jesus of Suburbia, over two decades later, "filling out paperwork now /At the facility on East 12th Street," completely wrecked by the events of the story. Sure, he's alive, but as one might theorize, not by choice. And what of Whatsername? "Thought I ran into you down the street," Jesus of Suburbia says, "Then it turned out to only be a dream." The song is an excruciatingly beautiful closer to American Idiot, and with all the hope that's been sapped from us over the course of the preceding 55 minutes, we can't help but feel that just enough of it remains. "She went away and then I took a different path..." Perhaps she saved him after all.

    "I'll never turn back time / Forgetting you / But not the time..." -- "Whatsername"
You will emerge from your experience with American Idiot physically tired, emotionally drained, and, quite possibly, changed forever. It is less an album than an experience that demands to be lived. It is a part of my life now, as well as the most satisfying hour of music I've ever heard. Nothing else even comes close. In short, American Idiot is flawless. There's not a weak song, a dull moment, or even the vaguest sign that Green Day's best days are over. Your jaw will be on the floor from the first chord to the last.

As you can see, I am passionate about this record's brilliance and I am honored to give it my highest possible recommendation. So don't just stand by and watch as this album sets the world on fire. Buy it immediately and see how great music can be.
-- JR

Overall Score
10

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This review is FANFICTION! 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 05 2005 at 15:30

Today at lunch,my friends and I were swapping CD's, when one of my friends, Rob came over. I asked him if he wanted to borrow my Led Zep' CD, and he said alright. Two seconds into "Black Dog" and he said they simply sucked. I couldn't believe it. He said the only band for him was Green Day.They suck. Every "cool" kid in my school likes them,and it totally ruins the bands originality. What's more, soon everyone will forget the classics, and the artists with true talent. Do you guys actually like this crap? I can barely distinguish one note from another, it sounds so bad.

No?



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