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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 16:48
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Phil wrecked Genesis. After Gabriel packed it in they should have just have restructured themselves and called it something else. Whe And Then There were Three came out I almost wanted to slit my throat.
Haha...well I have to say that is the most rediculous comment in 2011 by far.........with those sentiments, seriously, what held you back????WinkClap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 16:00
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Ohh and BTW..the disco reference, that completely shot you outta the water and maybe this site...at least for awhile
 
Hmmmm ... progressive disco? ... is that the one where we dance and lose weight?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:53
Ohh and BTW..the disco reference, that completely shot you outta the water and maybe this site...at least for awhile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:46
Hi,
 
I think that you are superimposing your own tastes onto a band ... you prefer this or that type of drumming and not Phil's ... and in the end, this a problem, when we're trying to define music ... we think, and believe, that only this or that can be had or done, and you just did the same thing with the drumming. While not exactly progressive, you might check Keith Moon, who was "cymbalistic" to say the least ... and he is by far one of the best rock drummers ever.
 
It has to do with the music ... and if the drummer can only keep time, I usually joke, get a metronome, it's cheaper and doesn't talk back at you! ... and you don't have to put up with ego's! And you might even find some music amidst it all ... ! It's what the experimenting 60's and 70's were about ... and you are superimposing a regiment that did not belong there at all!
 
And the drumming in those days, was NOT as metronomic as it is today, and was much more centered on the quality and feeling of the moment, than it was around the timing of the music itself ... today's drummers have all the "time" in their snare drum, and nothing else ... and that is not exactly representative of the word "music".
 
You are correct in the keyboard area ... and it is one of my complaints ... ELP and Genesis are the darlings and such because of keyboards, but Guru Guru and Incredible String Band are not as important, and they are far more progressive and adventurous than both of those bands ... but they will not get the listen because so many of us are stuck on that stupid keyboard mode ... and specially when it has that analog sound, or that hammond sound in it! Heck, to the shame of it all, ISB is rumored to have been booed when they were at Woodstock and apparently did a part of their stage show from "U" ... which goes to tell you that kids were too stoned to enjoy anything except the hits ... is that any different than what you are doing here?
 
Be careful when you discuss an instrument. Check out Carl Palmer ... it's not all metronomic, but it is very mechanical and well defined. Check out early KC in the early days ... it's not quite metronomic ... and it has uncanny touches to help accentuate the lyrics and the singing, which a lot of modern bands are not capable of doing ...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:02
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Interesting how this thread coincides with a recent stream of 3/4 star reviews for SEBTP (including my own, quick, it's on the front page now!!) and the fact that that album has slipped off the top-spot for 2011
 
Are we witnessing the beginnings of a revolt?!

I gave it 5 stars. Rating only
 
When?
 
And jeez, why not justify your rating with some opinions nobody else cares about??? LOL 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:02
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I'll give the guy three years to figure out how really bad the Beatles sucked the big one.
 
That is so awesome!!! And chocolate ice cream rules too...
 
Most have covered my thoughts on the question...which is NO. What I believe was just an attempt at starting a flame war, was talking about Phil's drumming and Gabriel's singing as issues to why you don't like Genesis?? Makes no sense...you could have picked something else that might have struck me as maybe this guy is looking for reasons to continue listening to Genesis....rather than why you should stop.
Yes they are rated very highly on this site and many others too......there is reason for that. But for me that is not a reason why I enjoy all of Genesis music.....I could give a rats a$$ if someone rates them a 5 or 1. For me they hit so many homeruns with their music, lyrics and style that I find myself emmersed in their albums.
 
If you are simply looking for reasons to tag them overrated then you need to re-evaluate why you listen to music at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:57
Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Interesting how this thread coincides with a recent stream of 3/4 star reviews for SEBTP (including my own, quick, it's on the front page now!!) and the fact that that album has slipped off the top-spot for 2011
 
Are we witnessing the beginnings of a revolt?!

I gave it 5 stars. Rating only
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:47
Interesting how this thread coincides with a recent stream of 3/4 star reviews for SEBTP (including my own, quick, it's on the front page now!!) and the fact that that album has slipped off the top-spot for 2011
 
Are we witnessing the beginnings of a revolt?!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:36
Originally posted by Nov Nov wrote:

 
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you considered The Beatles to be over-rated as well.

I suggest you allow your musical taste to evolve and mature, have another listen, and then report back in a year or two.
Liking The Beatles or Genesis is not a sign of maturity.

sarge, if you actually wanted people's opinions, which I suspect you didn't, you wouldn't have used such an obnoxious, combative tone. I'm generally baffled by the attention the whole symph subgenre gets here, and yet I manage to not make annoying threads about it. Try reading some of the hundreds of replies to people who had better intentions than you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:29
I'll give the guy three years to figure out how really bad the Beatles sucked the big one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:15
Originally posted by sarge sarge wrote:

Now before you proggies get offended by my comments regarding the oh so lovely Genesis (oops, sarcasm already - my bad!) I think it's important you understand I have given a great deal of time listening to Gabriel-era Genesis, in particular Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound.

Is there something I'm missing? Cause i've listened to a lot of prog and, sure, Genesis shows the elements of the music I love but it really seems to go nowhere. I think the problem is largely Phil Collins' fault, there's only so much high-hat and no ride I can bear with drumming in prog. Very bland indeed. Secondly, and feel free to offer a different thought on this, I find Gabriel's voice to be almost...cringeworthy. Sorry, but it's really unpleasant to listen to. Furthermore, I think I can safely say that a band that can't keep an 8 minute song interesting should never venture out to the territory of the 20+ minute epic - you all know what song i'm talking about, that really dull one that fails to lift the ground. Mellotrons are great for creating emotion in music, but after hearing Genesis use one it makes me feel the anger like i've just tried mowing my boring lawn with a majestic chair and subsequently failed. Lastly, although unrelated to the Gabriel-era, Genesis facilitated the rise of disco. One can only hope they look back at that with shame.
 
Does anyone else find the constant bombardment of Genesis related material on progarchives both unfathomable (due to the above reasons) and unbearable (ditto)?
 
Also, in regards to responses, no "well that's your opinion" crap. You're damn right it's my opinion.
 
Ah well, gotta go - supper's ready, shame it's always ordinary.


I honestly wouldn't be surprised if you considered The Beatles to be over-rated as well.

I suggest you allow your musical taste to evolve and mature, have another listen, and then report back in a year or two.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:14
Phil wrecked Genesis. After Gabriel packed it in they should have just have restructured themselves and called it something else. Whe And Then There were Three came out I almost wanted to slit my throat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:09
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

In a anarchist society, even chocolate ice cream would taste good. 

Ok so now chocolate reveals your true colors: you are no libertarian, you're a full-fledged anarchist!

Well we knew that already but once again, in chocolati veritas. 


Damn, chocolate always reveals my closely guarded secrets.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:05
Try Midnight Oil instead or watch the last 2 days of the incredible England Ashes series.......a bit like Battle Of Epping Forest
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:04
By the way, good chocolate needs planning... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:03
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

In a anarchist society, even chocolate ice cream would taste good. 

Ok so now chocolate reveals your true colors: you are no libertarian, you're a full-fledged anarchist!

Well we knew that already but once again, in chocolati veritas. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:58
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

In a anarchist society, even chocolate ice cream would taste good. 

The ice cream wouldn't change only your opinion of it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:57
In a anarchist society, even chocolate ice cream would taste good. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:56
Sarge, to use a few of your words, I really don't know you that much to give a crap about your damn opinion. 

In rock music, Genesis takes first or second place with me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 13:54
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I hate chocolate ice cream. 

You deserve the government. 
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