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    Posted: July 04 2019 at 11:13
Moshkito hates genesis so its not suprising that he reels off a list of bands nobody has heard of...well moshkito, I saw a few gigs in the early eighties that trump yours...The brilliant dagaband at manchester university, opened with a track called paraplasma which was better than anything that ELP did. 35 minutes of moog, organ and piano that was so bombastic it blew my mind...how they didnt get that down on vinyl is the prog cryme of the century...
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I can't really disagree of course.

Just as aside one of my older friends lived in Croydon (London) in the early seventies. On one particluar evening you could have gone and seen Elton John at the larger venue ( might have been Fairfields Hall but the conversation was had a long time ago and my memory isn't good) but across the road in a club there was a young man by the name of David Bowie performing. Naturally the Bowie gig was packed out like the Black Hole of Calcutta!

Oh how times have changed!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I would have loved to have seen any gig in the seventies! I wasn't really a fan of prog other than ELP at the time so never occurred to me to go and see any of the bands. I would have love to have seen Genesis at the Lyceum in 1980. There is some footage of the gig on one of the CD reissues and it's phenomenal . They even did The Knife as an encore!

Honestly, there are many things that were worth seeing, a lot more than GENESIS, or any other big band out there.

For example ... before PF made it big, it has a reputation for the stoniest concert out there ... and it was a far out experience in quadraphonic sound, that started and ended with sound effects and songs in between ... the songs became part of a story so to speak ... that was fun to FEEL, since you could not SEE anything ... and it helped with the older idea of the drugs in the 60's to "expand" your mind ... and it still is a great idea, except that we don't listen anymore and we want songs, not ideas! And specially, the songs that we know and love! (Can you see DSOTM and TW coming? Yep!)

I saw BABE RUTH, and Janita Hahn made Iggy Pop look like an idiot that had to thrash himself on stage to get any attention to his band ... to see the worship at the Whiskey A Go Go of this show related to that band, was not only pathetic and sick, it was boring! But only half the audience saw BABE RUTH who put on a magnificent show.

I wanted to see SEVENTH WAVE ... why? 7 keyboard players together. Never have I seen or heard of a tape of those shows in Hollywood, but I can't imagine that they were crap ... they probably were so mind warping that everyone hated electronica from that day on ... the whole concept certainly disappeared and died for some reason!

LE ORME, had a residency in LA (Smogmagica time) and the weird side of it, was ... I don't remember a concert listed anywhere, and apparently they did do some shows here and there!

The LA scene, by the 70's had already started falling apart, after Jim Morrison and Janis Joplin fell out of it ... the energy that was centered on individuality and creativity seems to have died with them, and was replaced even further and stronger by the megahit ... and it was at this time that Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles and such begun to make their moves ... and honestly ... they were boring by comparison, even though people nowadays think the Eagles were great because of the folks in their line up ... in my case in Santa Barbara, and friends, Boz Scaggs would have been more interesting, as would have been HOT TUNA, which was a much better MUSIC show ... that was not about hits or songs ... it was about some rather nice trippy stuff!




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I would have loved to have seen any gig in the seventies! I wasn't really a fan of prog other than ELP at the time so never occurred to me to go and see any of the bands. I would have love to have seen Genesis at the Lyceum in 1980. There is some footage of the gig on one of the CD reissues and it's phenomenal . They even did The Knife as an encore!
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My first prog gig was Genesis at earls court in 1977...I would have loved to have seen the selling england gig at the free trade hall in 1973...

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The one thing that I love hearing about is the experiences of people who regularly went to see bands in that period 1967-1973. It was an incredible time and I was just a bit too young to be involved. My own discovery of prog was really from radio (Radio Caroline were really important in that respect) and then all the CD re-issues in the 80's and 90's. The chance to sample music through streaming is now really important for younger folks and I would be very careful about just dismissing that but it's good to see Vinyl has made a comeback and that is heartening. Lets be a bit more encouraging can I suggest? Give those new to the genre to take a breath at least!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

I love Rachel Flowers but I would also point towards Keith Emerson's Three Fates Project that was recorded with a German Orchestra not many years ago . This was his last solo album and a life long ambition fulfilled to bring ELP's music back to it's classical origins.  It's great though that Rachel is helping to keep the music and memory alive.

I think that I would like to see some of these new folks get a bit of the curiosity that we had 40/50 years ago, when we found so much of this music, that is still being appreciated. To me, that is the real value of "progressive" past just about anything else that we can say and suggest.

It's tough, because what I said could be construed as being a negative, and it is not ... it is way more of a challenge and asking the fan to get out of his "mode of listening", and learn something about music, just like we did a while back. 

This is the great value of the arts ... and that memory will last a lifetime! Anything else, even suggestions will be forgotten by tomorrow, and left behind with ... I bet ... not a very good listening exercise, something that we had to do then, because we paid dearly for the album ... there was no media discussing most of it, and the one that did a little (Melody Maker and Rolling Stone) went out of their way to make fun of a lot of things and call them ... the best example was calling Tangerine Dream some washing machine music, which really only says that critic had no ear for music whatsoever ... even a washing machine has more interesting music, than his comments.

I just hope that this person sees this point, although I imagine that folks brought up on mp3's and samples and rap, are not likely to give a lot of these things a serious listen to find out what made them tick. ANDWHAT MADE THEM TICK is the reason why we call it "progressive" and still talk about it 50 years later ... the appreciation of that alone, is major! ... if we can get it to the heads of new listeners. It's the same process, that allows us to listen and appreciate music that goes back 500 years and more!
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I love Rachel Flowers but I would also point towards Keith Emerson's Three Fates Project that was recorded with a German Orchestra not many years ago . This was his last solo album and a life long ambition fulfilled to bring ELP's music back to it's classical origins.  It's great though that Rachel is helping to keep the music and memory alive.
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Originally posted by dymanic dymanic wrote:

Thanks, but how do I distinguish between "most important" and "most popular"?

That part is easy ... you probably won't find the real gems in "progressive" listing ... and you won't even give the Edgar Broughton Band a serious listen (as an example),, or even the Incredible String Band, or Guru Guru (early days) for a bunch of stuff that is far more progressive than the so many copies of the original stuff listed.

The only thing I would like to suggest ... is this ... listen to TARKUS in its entirety by ELP, and then play Rachel Flowers doing TARKUS on piano. Then play ELP's version again. Then play Rachel's version again .... YOU WILL FIND THAT HALF OF THE THINGS LISTED DON'T STAND UP TO REAL MUSIC ... and stuff that should be considered some of the greatest compositions in rock music ... because we are so damn stuck on the popular thing, and the fame ... to the point that we don't even know what MUSIC is, or EVER has been!

When you can make out that distinction, you will find the albums that matter. Until then, the suggestions here will confuse you so bad (including me because you won't even consider what I said!), that you can not possibly continue even listening to anything we said ... today, or yesterday.

Hopefully you can learn/pickup something along the way ... but trying to learn college style through Wiki and the Notes thing ... good luck is all I can tell you, after 55 years of listening to all this music ... not just "progressive".
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Hasn't this topic/debate taken place thousands of times here on PA?

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Originally posted by dymanic dymanic wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Hasn't this topic/debate taken place thousands of times here on PA?

If so, maybe you could point me in the direction of some of those previous threads? That was kind of my question in the first place (along with an apology in case it had already been answered).

I'm honestly surprised someone hasn't yet! I swear I see them all the time. Not being douchey just observing, good sir! Welcome!

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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Hasn't this topic/debate taken place thousands of times here on PA?

Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! Genesis! Yes! King Crimson!
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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Hasn't this topic/debate taken place thousands of times here on PA?

If so, maybe you could point me in the direction of some of those previous threads? That was kind of my question in the first place (along with an apology in case it had already been answered).
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Hasn't this topic/debate taken place thousands of times here on PA?

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Missing out. The Flower Kings, Transatlantic and The Tangent...tut tut
 

All excellent bands indeed as are Big Big Train, Pineapple Thief, Wobbler ,Anathema etc. My list could have been a lot longer but then I was trying to stick to 'important' bands in the development of the genre. There are a lot of bands that are great to listen to but have not really added much in pushing boundaries. I realise its a highly subjective topic though.
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I like this look at the progression of prog in the first part of the book...the second part lists bands and albums but not the 'best 100' , it's alphabetical.The reviews are mixed on the book but when I first started buying more obscure prog ( I already owned the classic bands...)...it was helpful in many ways.

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

It's subjective admittedly but the PA top 100 is not the be all and end all. Albums are often rated on their completeness and consistency rather inspiration or importance. One obvious example is Emerson, Lake and Palmer - Tarkus. One of the most important albums of the genre by one of the major bands. You could also argue that as The Nice - The Thoughts Of Emerlist Davjack and Procol Harum - Shine On Brightly were very important to the early development of the genre , they should be listened to at least once.

Perhaps it's just easier to check out artists rather than look for specific albums. I suggest

For 1967-1969 ( early development)
The Beatles
Frank Zappa
The Nice
King Crimson
Procol Harum
The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown
Coloseum
Deep Purple
Led Zeppelin

1970-1975 (the peak of prog)
Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Genesis
King Crimson 
Yes
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
Van Der Graaf Generator
Gentle Giant
Camel
Mike Oldfield
PFM
The Mahavishnu Orchestra
Can
Magma
Caravan

1976 - 1982 ( the lean years)
Rush
Eloy
UK
Vangelis
Tangerine Dream
Be Bop Deluxe

1983-1993 (The Neo Prog years)
Marillion
IQ
Pallas
Pendragon

1994-present ( the prog revival)
Anglagard
Anekdoten
Spocks Beard
Arena
Porcupine Tree
Haken
Steve Wilson
Riverside
Opeth
The Mars Volta

It's far from being everything I realise but I doubt many could argue that these have been the 'major players' in prog from 1967 to the present day.










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Missing out. The Flower Kings, Transatlantic and The Tangent...tut tut
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